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have made hundreds of arrest, dismantled entitlements, and evicted students who've been barricading themselves inside college buildings. for just as one day universities to cut ties with companies linked to israel. this crisis is also becoming a political flash point in the potential headache for president joe biden as he seeks the 2nd time in november. republicans are criticizing his handling of these demonstrations even as he continues to support as well as more on gaza, which has killed close to $35000.00 palestinians. all these student protest is taking a political time. could they cost to buy and support them? a significant section of young versus and what's expected to be a closely full collection, what it's for these and all the questions that i guess i'm just a moment, but 1st this report by katya lopez. what are you it's a protest that scrolling into a movement with students across the united states showing cord for palestinians in

garza. we came together to make demands on the university to tie best in town and crammed corporations that profit off and it is rarely genocide. former and current students from at least 30 universities have stage rallies and set up in cabinets. many demanding college administrators could financial ties with israel and stop investing in companies to do business with the is really military. it's not about columbia or c, c, n, y, or berkeley, or you see a la or any other place where the students have risen up. this is the coaches have a nation speaking through your kids, through young people. many say the demonstrations reflect the state of american political discourse, an issue. so polarizing among young voters, it could have ramifications to reach all the way to the white house present by needs to denounce a mazda is campus sympathizers without equivocating about is railey spying a right. just war of survival weeks of protest against israel's were in cause

a mark, the biggest student mobilization in america since the 19 sixty's, when demonstrations against the vietnam more searched on college campuses. one of the leaders of those protests decades ago says history is repeating itself. they're sick of heart. and as, as i was 56 years ago, and they have seen mass murder, we saw a mass murder in vietnam, a carpet bombing a pole provinces. the movement is also posing a challenge for university administrators trying to balance the right to free speech with freedom of assembly complaints, of intimidation and accusations of allowing anti semitism. and this one i think that a lot of experience and use have a lot of generation very difficult to see to dan palestinians have very difficult

going on now 7 months into israel's were on calls and the demonstrations reflect political and generational divisions which could play a significant role in the us presidential election in november. patsy a little so the an elder 0 for insight story. although it dramatic confrontation sylvia the hours of thursday between police and students at the university of california, kansas and los angeles. from that his festival with his report to so these protests isn't now being loaded onto these large buses. one by one of these buses belong to the essentially the sheriff's department, the county sheriff's department, and they'll be taken to a site, we believe touts out to be processed as you walk through the site. you can see this cows of process discrete, which with days was play images of the october 7th hostages, facing this direction because this is paradise protest is but living recalls as

metal, metal barricade, se, but look at all of this. stay free. there are crates, there are, wouldn't bullets or pallets. these were bought, the protests were using to effectively defend the come across the lie. we are now into the camp, walking through what was a very densely populated area. they was told anywhere between $3500.00 protests is living here, but the tense with very, very close together. and that is why it took so long for the police to come in effect of the walk through work that way through the types of policy. what able to come in quickly. they had to go through. but ultimately, to take these protest this out, it's got to say a good few ties to clear all of this mess up us for the protests as the selves will . they've all gone now that if you look at all to those buses, some of the lead pull entirely, but we have this town that most of them have feet arrested. they say for them, this protest is fall off over the face is just the beginning from los angeles. fill of out the inside story. well

that's not bring in august now because i as an associate professor and public policy at the university of maryland, she specializes in racial and ethnic politics and she joins us today from washington, dc in boston. we have rami who are a political analyst and distinguished public policy fellow at the american university of beverage, and also in washington dc is james davis. he's a republican strategist who is advised major corporations and yours on government around the world. a very warm welcome to all of you. thank you for joining us today on inside story. now, especially given what we've seen in the last few days at u. c. l. a. and in new york, it feels like the, the response, the, the escalating response to what we're seeing on, on college campuses around the us. that's almost galvanizing more action. so we've got this growing movement, not just individual purchase, but now what seems to be a movement in an election year around me. i know you've been speaking to a lot of students who have been involved in these demonstrations. do you get the

sense that this is just the beginning? yeah, it is. i've been involved in campus activities, media stuff, public policy debates in the u. s. for the last 55 years since 1968. when i was a freshman, when i was a sophomore at syracuse university, and ever since then, i've been involved by interface with like, you know, hello students or media debates or whatever and non stop and the last 55 years. and i can tell you, this is the most dramatic moment in terms of how the palestine is real issue, intersects with american domestic politics and trends. but the reason is that since 1968, which was a dramatic year for protests on the chicago convention of the cetera of the democratic party, it has slowly, slowly built up a coalition of modern life. people are americans and african americans,

most of the american hispanic americans, labor unions of students. i'm have some other groups on church groups. and these people have been organizing for 40 years getting holders registered. we saw the impact of that in the primaries in michigan. a few months ago and other primaries for the 1st time, this group of let's call it, they're not on ethnic minorities, but marginalized minorities are not working together. and they select the democratic part. this incumbency, we don't know what's going to happen in november. but we do know that there is now a huge ideological fracture in the united states. it's been there for a while. if you look at, you know, i'm a, shouldn't be c and fox but, but this has now gone on to the local level, the public level and, and it just incredibly powerful as a, as a confrontation. hopefully it will stay a peaceful that has been from the protesters side yesterday and the day before. but we had some services but was really goods or attacking students to that,

usually like other places. but this, this is unbelievably important. it's the 1st time being the palestine engineer who has become a domestic american political issue where it goes depends on how the battle now will come out, whether they lead it to stablish and forces will prevail for the protesters out. there are huge national coalition loop, a bell rama just to clarify something for of us because you have been speaking to to student protest as involved right now on campuses there's been a lot of allegations of outside interference with people coming in and, and instigating violence. so other kinds of activities on campus, all you hearing about any of that from your students. and that's really a that some of them say that occasionally some people try to come in and influence some of this on that. i thought that there's no more outside influence in this, then there is in the american congress for the american media with look at external

forces that try to influence them, usually legal ways, lobbying advertising, etc, pressuring them the outside influence is a part of public life. and politics, especially on the, the other kind of standards, real conflict, but the students, i've talked to him about 12 universities across the us in the last 34 months have been remarkably focused, clear and a violent. and the coalition that i mentioned, the global nationally is reflected at the level of the protesters, especially with the progressive jewish students, african americans and others. and you talk about this very organized student reason . i mean, universities in the us as historically, have had a very deep culture of, of activism. it's supposed to be a safe space. right. and we know this from the vietnam. well, what happened to columbia? for instance, we've seen this over the course of, of many, many generations at american universities. at this time though,

we are also now seeing a faculty get involved with seeing divisions within the democratic policy. people taking sides. yeah, i'm curious for your thoughts on this. how deep do you think the risk saw that we're seeing develop within universities, within the democratic policy, within these, what will have rami described as previously nationalized scripts you have previously come together as well? i mean, i think, as you know, part of where faculty have responded is because of the escalation backed on campus is with calling in police and national guard. and, you know, i think many faculty feel like it's their responsibility to protect these children . and i mean, they're still children of, you know, we call them adults, but they are still young people and many times we have as much if not more contact, then these young people with these young people in their own families. because many

of them are far from home. we see them at schedule times week over week, and you build relationships with them. so when you see them being bit tied, and in some cases brutalize. yeah, i think a lot of faculty compton, i mean, whether they are on one side of the debate or other or the other. i think what is important is that many felt that they be there to support students that universities should not be in the business of calling in a state authorities to repress what is their constitutional right to protest into speech. i think it's been very concerning because as this has in full bit, i think there been lots of ways in which the protest and terminology, or even just to protect themselves. right. had been used to talk about, you know, the atmosphere on campus. and to me, that is just as

a faculty member from where i state code for we want to bundle mentally change university systems. but people who typically don't care about universities who they are definitely don't care about young people and certainly have not spent a lot of time on a university campus in a while. and i think part of the reason why this is so i don't know, concern earning, distressing or even surprising for some is the fact that one, we don't have a lot of expectation. sometimes out of young people, we tied them for being disengaged. and when they engage, we say they don't know whether they're ignorant, they're wrong, they're being, you know, brain loss, all kinds of derogatory things. but these people are engage, this is the george floyd generation if you will. um and part of why these, i think these, these particular protests have gained so much traction as is one. because i don't

think we ever thought that there would be a place where one could be new. lots of buffalo and a critique of the state of israel, but also because the university's unwillingness to just sort of let this thing play out, has escalated and spread these attacks. what most people don't get is the semester is winding down. for most of us, we only have a week or 2 left at school. it was highly unlikely that students were going to stay behind and protest of the summer. but when you start calling it n, y, p, d, and l a p d, and other things in the time students and throwing them in jail sales, then you made this a real thing and not saying it wasn't real before. but now you have, you have heart and there was all right to continue this and there are a lot of solidarity protests that came up as a result. so i think this is a pre miscalculation by both the democratic party. yes, but also um, from the university leadership and many of the you told her about

a miscalculation and all you really, it was also the series of congressional hearings. right. that really intensify these protests. and then the subsequent reaction that we've seen from administrators. since then, james, i'm curious, how much do you think this has all been driven by political considerations, especially the response we've seen from university management? well, i think it's driven by political considerations, but the political considerations come from the fringe of the what is the democratic party and then divide within the democratic party over what the public policy. uh, what do you state should look like in regards to israel and palestine? it is a big divide for joe biden. his base is, uh, is, is completely waged on this issue. and he's been kind of playing in the middle of the road on this. and it's kind of become roadkill in the middle of the road. um, because he has no banks on either side. i, i just saw a video of on students on both sides of the debate on a college campus. you know,

it's got tnt explicit. it, it was against joe biden, both of them back and forth. so he's not winning with either coalition there. i think overall it's been a vacuum of leadership at the university system level. and uh, and then obviously in the white house here, when we talked about free speech, it's, it's important to remember like, yes, we want to teach our young people how to cheat and, and, and lift up their voice and brain passion and spirit to the debates. but if they're taking over property, if they are intimidating or harassing other students, that's not ok. and that's when law enforcement unfortunately has to get involved us for the protection of, of uh, property rights and individuals. it's not fair to the individuals who paid a ton of money to go to some of these institutions to get their education to have it disrupted by that, right? they're trying to, to a, to prepare for their location. and you know, you're basically taking from them, some of them are,

are having really similar moments in their life that like education are like their graduations been cancelled at the way we started saying not so well pops on surprisingly, in an election. yet we are already hearing from pet president donald trump on this . let's take a lesson to some of what he's had to say. college president and i say remove the in camp and so mediately rank, where's the radicals and take back our campuses for all as a normal one, a safe place from which to learn a lot. certainly not the most striving language we've had from him on this. but james, let me throw this to you. as a republican strategist, i mean the party must be pretty delighted watching with this on hold. well, i think politically, it does put dr. joe, on puts job, i did a really tough spot, put something in a strong spot into his credit. he's running a very good campaign this time around. you know, the recent poll from long that asked the americans how they viewed this match up

where they excited about this matchup of joe biden versus donald trump. this re match and 30 percent 6 percent of democrats said no, 66 percent republican said yes and then 27 percent an independent. i said yes. so, i mean, there's a huge delta in these numbers and it shows the enthusiasm gap until binds are, and spacing, and that's in the, it all this is happening on top of the bite nomics and increase inflation, cost of living, all of those things. so this is just more fuel to the fire. it looks very yearly, similar to the black lives matter. move met from 2020 except for its breaking the opposite way. right now is this thing because we're still just over 6 months from the november elections and obviously, foreign policy doesn't usually feature massively highly on the top of votes as priority list when, when they're going into the bottom box in the us. i've been looking at some of that

on this as well, particularly when it comes to young versus recent. what was it, how the institute of politics use? part of it says garza and what's happening, the ranks fifteens on the list of top issues facing young by disney notes fairly low down the list well below the economy and emigration. according to to that survey, rami, do you think what's happening, what we're seeing happened now, and the response on college campuses will actually change, but it's in behavior. well, it already has. we saw it in the primaries and several states. that's not definitive, but the primaries where people said a bunch registered as of uncommitted was a warning shot. it wasn't a full book. but that's a very important warning sign because they were replicated on about 5 or 6 other states. so the palestine is real issue. it is now a domestic issue in the election here and what, what significant, there's what natalie says, the,

i think was very important. this is the 1st time in modern history. and i don't exaggerate because our experience this whole history. since i was a student and 1960, that was the 1st time that people in the united states on so mainstream media, but mostly on social media and alternative media and progressive media. but mostly on the ground where they live are able to discuss the issue of palestinian rights, is really policies and american complexity. emily, or i guess i know this has never happened before. so you're seeing this desperate attempt by the what i call the power relate. and i just remember to james in the sense that the, there's no real difference between the republicans or democrats when it comes to the middle east policy. they're minor little things here. and there, but when you're see by who's actively asked to support for the war a, there's not, there's no real difference at all. so you know how early that is really

a cost parties, the media, the mainstream media is central to this. and the corporate world is central to this . they are desperately trying now to discredit the demonstrators was saying there's outside infiltrators on this and up. i can watch this closely. every day i've watched this and i just wrote, and i've been on this, this coming out a few days in the desperately using, you know, the same tactics will come out of the prose. rarely probably down to about that, but just put them as terrorists there. how much lovers they're not sees, this is the worst thing is realize, experienced as the holocaust that those reviews of people are afraid of all that just happens to be. they're not accurate time, this exaggeration and all these accounts to desperately stop the discussion then probably about israel's behavior for american complicity in the war. so this is the battle, this taken place. it's really, it's really a battle the trains of forces throughout the webinar as anti semitism, to silence,

palestinians and progressive voices on the west. and of course, exchange american policies to stop being so war happy. the other side people were fighting for justice for the past and the peaceful, legal rights are as well as in thousands. you get to these incredible statements by the president himself of the head of the congress, the house of representatives. and this sort of should be no match statement. so this is people are talking about the speech too too. and while it is real, i'm killed. that was, this is total absolute large. so nonsense. it's a stereo, but it's a syria in the center of the power structure, the b. i just want to pick up on something you said on it just very briefly. i'm curious about whether you think, given what we've seen on campuses and what we've seen in terms of voicing behavior . and the problem is whether any of the protests that we're seeing in the growing movement, whether that might actually shift any administration policy. i think it, well, i think we will see it,

but there's not going to happen quickly. what are the things that i've learned and i'm look during the writing of this now in the last 45 years, 50 years of follow. this is the policy change happens slowly. social activism happens quickly. reaction to social activism happens quickly. media stuff happens quickly, but policy change happens slowly. remember, in the, in the sixties and early seventies, i watched of one slogan to expand. civil rights will reach a peak. these environmental move on the born and the warm over the born, those move on stuck to 102030 years to make real policy changes. and so we have to look at this as a be a part of a slow moving process that yes, i think there will be changes, but they'll take time. well, part of that, that movement for change is about voting. natalie, let me ask you about the what would be a progressive use for him and how much that's, that's going to impact bite and in,

in november, if you're a progressive youth, but it's, what is your calculus? if you'll this, the solution to this angry at the vitamin ministration and the white house. do both trump knowing what he might do in an office or do you just not vote at all? i think one of the things that they are not as persuaded by this go round is the word 20. 20 is the beer. you have to give people something more than just being fearful of the outcome. some people might say, hey, we have for you donald trump, it was terrible, but we lived through it's fine. and i think, you know, some people think they'll be another boat. i think we could never hang our hats on that. right. i mean, we've seen it in other countries. people always think that there's another chance to vote. but when you have someone who's suggested at least that they're committed to being more autocratic, i don't know that we can't hang our hats on that. but i think these young people are willing to gamble that because they are not inspired by the democratic

coalition. they're not inspired by a job. i. they don't care for him as a candidate. mean people think he's too old, he's out of touch and certainly this issue is not just about sort of israel in her mouth and all of that. it's also about how the police date has been used to give these to me, it's about a lot of things and they're disillusionment with housing with the cost of living insulation, etc. so i think if there is a choice, i think a lot of people will knowingly stay home understanding that this could be a problem said donald trump when in the fall. but we have to also know that there are down valid races that those kids might also be willing to engage with. so no, i mean both for these people as president, but i will vote for my state legislature mass any council people because those are becoming much more attractive i think being used for the kind of change in the immediacy that these young people see. but also these are places where it seems like these,

these candidates have more room is not as martin paid for the 2 parties, the system that we see when we talk about the presidential race. and speaking of the candidates, i want to, to bring in james here as a political strategist, if you were advising the 5 and white house right now on how to de escalate the situation. we're seeing that really only happened at a couple of universities at brown in north westman, who, who promised votes on divest, mental, well grace or transparency. but we haven't had a tool from the president himself. we haven't had it all from jo binding the stage . what would you be advising him in his administration to do right now? well, the reason you haven't been hearing from him is because he doesn't do a great job when he comes out and it gets public speaks as the teachers and his administration is really trying to, his team is trying to really handle him with a really tight weeks right now, and i think ultimately you're going to have to have him go out and make a forceful case one way or another. which way he's going to go on on this policy

debate. because right now he's failing in the middle and no one's happy. so they're going to have to make a decision here to, to, to, um, to, to play k one side or the other. they're trying to have it both ways and they can't . the problem here is the same problem. you see with a lot of corporations in america where, you know, the leadership wants to go one direction, but an employee base wants to go another direction or so we some radical portion of unemployed based wants to go a different direction. and they make a lot of noise, particularly on social media, and that travels fast, and then you've got to have responses to all of that. and i think that's a problem. his basis of the wind on this issue is a super wedge issue. when you're talking about the impact on the race and what's gonna happen, you're looking at now, you know, roughly $10000.00 or so votes difference in across 7 states. that will impact the outcome of this election. if you were to go back and look at the

202020, but it was. and if you look at all the polls right now, trump is, is, is a good bit of heads up of jo binding in those swing states already. so all you need to do is turn it out at the marsh. we're talking $10000.00 votes, and that's, that's nothing. and it's already going to be a courtesy for selection. what we're seeing now will only make it more so i'm sure you will agree. thank you. though for a very interesting discussion today, it's all about yes ma'am, because it from inquiry and james davis, i'm thank you to, for watching. you can see this program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com. so for the discussion, do those well facebook page, facebook dot com, forward slash 8 inside story. remember, you can also join the conversation on x. now, how does that is at a inside story? for me in the songs you paying the whole team here and the

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