a political power comes through the people. we're not going to be determined by for in a narrative. the presidency likes of indonesia, provo, sabean, so talks to l, just 0. the overwhelming as opposed to the un general assembly for pulse times a bid for full membership. that coves the rise and come to a nation of israel for on gaza with the us says it will veto the motion again at the security council for different codes, the resolution make. this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program and the bulk of the international community has debated palestinian statehood for decades. full membership of the united nations

would effectively recognize that sweeping support of the general assembly is the 1st step. but the final seal of approval come to some of the un security council. last month, the united states have vetoed a resolution table by algeria and says it will do so we can. so count the maureen, weights of world opinion reflect to the un general assembly pressure of the us to reconsider what difference could the backing of a $143.00 nations make to palestine is not meant, but special observer status will explode these and other issues. so i guess in a moment profess support, bi catch a lopez taught in condemnation of israel's neuron. garza has led to protest like these from santa, in the human to jordan's capital. a mon rallies in solidarity with palestinians. the 1st 2 colt and us universities have spread around the world.

and at the united nations, the general assembly voted over willingly to grant new rights and privileges to palestine. it's also calling on the security council to reconsider pell's planes bid to become a full union member. we want peace. we want freedom, and yes vote is about 4 palestinian existence. it is not against any state. israel says the move is absurd, especially after her mazda is attack on october, the 7th, while using a prob, the is really impasse that are said, the resolution disregard you in statute. you are reading the, your in charter with your own hands. yes, yes. that's what you're doing. writing the you on charter. a shame on you. the un vote may be widely symbolic, but it comes as country such as spain, ireland,

and other even members plan to formally recognize the state of palestine on may 21st. the international community overwhelmingly overwhelmingly saying that i want that long term resolution to the conflict and that involves 2 states. despite new rights and privileges. palestine remains a non member of observer, say that the un without the right to vote. and the us has made is clear, it will use that to feed all power to blog post in, in membership and statehood until important issues are resolved. with israel katia, little bits of the yen houses 0 for insights. story the quite well that spring. and i guess now from a room where joined by jeffrey sachs, he's a form of special adviser to the you and 60 general. now the director of the center for sustainable development at columbia university and romano most of about gucci

is the general secretary of the posting and national initiative. and in london is you'll see macro back and associate follow the middle east and north africa program at the same time to chat. some house of i will welcome to will see if you welcome to a inside story. you'll see, i wonder if i can start with you if you could help us set the scene. because until now, palestine has only held the status of an observer at the un. what is the pulsing, the overwhelming pulsing office? set your resolution? what does that mean in terms of the rights and privileges of forwarded to palestine? now, the incidence of product doesn't change too much because it's the secure with the concept of that site. so there's a notion will actually be through a recognition as a states. but the thing symbolically, it is a very important, it is important step forward in which you have more than hundreds and follow these

states actually very clearly declare that they're going to see probably style and recognize as, as, as, as a state. and at the same time, it's known to everyone that the only country that blocks a pile of students states would from being in technician, in the back of the nice is the united states. what of the united states is moving slowly in different direction when it comes to its relation? so we have the 9th of states, i think moving towards sets and probably a in the, if this is the direction we might say, the united states also to one point until the hopefully soon funded. what's the general assembly just said yesterday in the back of nice policy and in states? hi, jeffrey, following up from that amongst some of the rights and privileges now forwarded to the palestinians is the right to be seated among member states. how for basically, an ability also to submit proposals of the amendment start ret clear without having to do it through another country. as you'll see says, so these are,

these seem to be a slight move forward when it comes to what the posting of states is really looking forward to is this largely symbolic that as well. it's important, it's more than symbolic. it demonstrates were world opinion is overwhelmingly, and it is correct. the united states is the sole obstacle actually not only to palestine membership in the united nations as the 194th member. but actually, united states has the sole ops to go on my view to peace in the region. because with the membership with sovereignty, with the implementation now they globally recognize state on the 1967 borders with capital and east jerusalem and control over these land mccauley. sites there would also be the ability to have peace with the countries of the region as in the air, a peace initiative, and then the era but and as like

a leadership statement and will re odd last november. so the united states has found a way blocking a palestinian state. it's blocking piece. it's blocking piece on behalf of a radical extremist violent is re government, which is committing a massive war crimes. and quite likely the i c j will rule a genocide. this is what the united states is enabling right now. it's absolutely distressing for me as an american to see this young people, people on my campus were a guest at what the disadvantage gratian is doing. i said, certainly, all of this conversation at ega, this, by the 2 of you have spoken so far, to focus on the obstacles that are clearly in the way when it comes to publish times full membership. but before we go into the obstacles, i must offer testing to you if this decision for the un means anything is where you are, your reaction to what played out to the you and it. well,

it means a lot the, besides the symbolic aspect of it, it sends that message, a very powerful political message, the world is full, right? that ice was published and used to be free for the q based in from the system of apartheid. so i'm just started, but the general side that is happening on the line we are talking by the way that isn't it is a meeting kind of is my 2nd at this very moment and that's fine. and inside does the city and as a to a neighborhood and in japan. yeah. trying to, if they click lens one more time japan your area. so of course, the sending a very powerful message to us that they don't accept what's happening to better students. but more than that, i think this a lot that took place exposed to how i used to lead to the united states and visitor. and you'll have to remember that the united states of america, this you as bio and is

a good not to mobilize more than 3 come to is to work with them, considering the others are hello, mike, cronies. yeah. mouth, shall i add ons? is what it is and united states itself. i mean with all due respect these little islands don't really, ma'am. i mean, we all know that they, they, they've worked according to what that meant, a constant and so up in the attitude, this is news eyes relation of, of the american plus right. one moment please. and also it shows how i relate to the fact that the united states have stuck to the membership in the united nations security council. it is totally unacceptable. i'm the saying that right? absolutely. we will delve no doubt into us obstruction. as you say, i want to the practically speaking the stuff uh, given what is played out of the you and whether practically this makes any difference to the suffering of palestinians in gaza and promising inside the

occupied westbank is not thoughts and not enough sort of fluid it's very little if you compare it to what needs to be done, nothing else behavior in uh on data mining. what was it possible that good event sort of ceasefire, when how much accepted what was proposed to them by the united states, egypt and after they would have told that is an acceptance. and once from us accept to this, is it on the mind? it's a, i'm nothing you know initiated is enough, i hope, but ition which will not be limited to the eastern side, but not the thought. and he already expanded it into other areas and i'm sure he will not stop him to leave finishes the thought of destruction. which means this direction for those guys a strip. the only thing that would stop nothing, you know, is sanctions immediately there has to be a military sanctions that it has to be comic sanctions that has to beauty and

actions by all these governments that kept telling us for the last 2 months, the data against the british right, that's why i'm just doing nothing when he is committing this step and must have good, i'm talking about you to be honest, i'm talking about and i to states of america i'm talking about even though out of countries, this has to be stopped and it can be so all of you with the media functions don't. right, right. let me bring it in there and you'll see because the cleaning as we've heard that from the stuff up practically on it. so this and han stage of the un this and han status for palestine of the u. n. one on his own. make much of a difference, a tool without a multi pronged approach. sanctions is something of the cost of the stuff or reiterate to that. but does this, does this though at least paved the way for full membership sometime in the not too distant future. you'll see. i think it fits the foot here. when i say symbolic symbolism in diplomacy is important, and i think it sends

a clear message what there was things i think again, we have edging closer to recognition for what we mean. some practices that by the student and state existing 11 shape or form, it's about the recognition. so it says that there is leadership already know. we know the territorial 4th is a future, a listing and state. so this, this is bill is about how he personalized and how he changes the relationship between and at home, the negotiation type and when he eventually comes between these items and, and palestinians know, but at the same time, the most important thing right now is to stop the war because this is not going to change or the period of 5 find the paper of the guys. and doing that, i know this is the, this doesn't stop set to the finance. this is doesn't bring us much closer into ending this conflict best. so the concentration should be so difficult condition by

the starting offer state is important as file to fit much big move to fall to the peace process. and the police do i know by listening to your very, very key to talk about the obstacles in the way of palestine becoming a full member for you and turning to you jeffrey, the main stumbling bulk. as we've said, remains that the un security council, where just remind all view is at least 9 affirmative votes and no veto from any of the 5 permanent members is required. the problem is we've all said, hey, so the moment a key member of the united states repeatedly vote against recognizing the palestinians as a independent state, claiming it would be, quote, home full for peace jeffrey. can you explain what they mean by harmful piece? the rationale behind this to us a politics is dominated by the israel lobby. it's very simple. i, the washington political class has cited with israel no matter what israel has

done up to and including genocide, it's not complicated, but the american public is against is the young people are shocked. dismayed and out on the campuses across the country. and then the congress and the administrators of these universities bring into place to bash their heads and to call on the place. so this is extremely unpopular in the united states, but this is a political class that is, i really guy led by the israel lobby. i think what is important is the whole world make clear to the united states. you alone are blocking piece. now this is a what do the palestinian and baset are said yesterday at the you when and a very powerful speech and basset, or re a bunch. sure, and a very eloquent and powerful speech. these railey ambassador guy, i, earhart,

gave the single worst and most disgraceful speech that i recall and listening to hundreds of speeches in the un general assembly. during the past 25 years of my work with the un. absolutely, a speech of hate and a speech of war. uh and a, but he was counting on uh, a political class in washington that day i can, will stand by israel. it won't stand by israel right along under this because the american public opinion is absolutely against this and for absolutely good reason. let's tons of what must offer again because the us has also claimed that the recognition of palestinian statehood would quote, undermine efforts to resume negotiations. between its railways, palestinians essentially rewarding the palestinians for whipping up international

pressure on israel and effectively rewarding the armed, waiting or from us as a lot of jihad and other groups for carrying out violence. what you make of this argument by the united states and stuff or the for the hipaa because it's so such an amount of your focus you one day nighted states and some european countries keep talking about the 2 state solution and advocate for the 2 state solution and at the same time doesn't do not even think would be nice bye bye . and not only that, they do not say that is a must and this will q based on those by the senior. this is the input. so commission, how can we have a states, where do we have it? and they asked for that and said they, i'm not saying that is it a must dismantle all systems that exist now in the west bank without angels. and without that, we will not have a blessed thing and state. so what you see here is

a huge amount of boxes see by these countries. that's all they do by talking about posted solutions. all they mean is to give it a more time to continue the process of set them into building and so on. an extension of the west bank and getting the very possibility of about a city and state. look at what's happening there is that our folks bid is this, it is a lucian in the united nations, which is this paper. but in reality, on the ground, what there's nothing you're all doing. he's gloss, think off the story, and i need to find the context between me, but this thing and, and any other continue by taking over far and the sink with egypt. this is one of the destructive acts that is aiming, appealing to the possibility of a 2 state solution. so this american position and finally, it will be in positions of nothing but the hypocrisy. they are hypocritical, and to speak on the about a to say it without tickles. and i think the other thing is deep and one more thing

. i think when the whole and what sol, how the isn't a lead delegates. eh, i don't get into the should in the chat, a thought over the united nations in front of everybody over there, just the simply, what does that mean? he's sending the message that there's the above the low above international and punitive to international law. and that could not have happened to accept it without the american phone and so forth to is you'll say tony too much stuff. uh, it's very, very adamant to tennessee. you'll see a most also is very, very adamant that there's a huge amount of hypocrisy. there's absolutely no incentive whatsoever for israel to ever recognize a palestinian state while it goes about accelerating its settlement building and they don't divide west by end of cost. both jeffrey and the staff are, i refer to that, send me the article moment at the you and in which a deal out of that the is ready on boston's view and shredded the you and charlotta

accusing the u. n. of appeasing circle, terrace laden, polished in unit a. politicians will be a party who wants to kill or is re lease and use. it's the policy you'll see is the policy. well, this resolution it any way a violation of the un charter as is right allowed to use of is not in there. unfortunately, a bus of the needs building mo, when is, is the inflammation mode to the see at the bottom of the you and instead of substance it this actually double for, of the united mission to decide to about recognition of, of, of the states. so not and on this kind of feel feel of should i think the child to, i don't think he covers instead of super globally and not the country either presents. this is highly regressive or right. i also don't take dogs of simplistic

a view that it's the only change these are the governments really more for or the office to consult these the other elements out. so these, that the opposite consult based but it needs a change of government. it needs a change of direction and we felt a yes, i agree that is also in the united states and the meantime that awfully poco say if the united states believes in a 2 state solution. let's move. busy to the full recognition of the state to it is a conviction part of the negotiation. but for this face and then for the boss is that in palestine on a quarter for thing that they can negotiate to be fun each other refunded not the states. and then we followed the other outstanding issues from joe's elizabeth capitana, both the refugees and both is and then settlements. and the rest is to state the building with each other we've, we've, we've for sponsibility and, and we, for the,

for spect and best we haven't seen. and that's what's my life change. so if they all are going to be future negotiations, they must be on a level playing field with respect and responsibility on both sides of the equation . jeffrey turning to you again because i also want to look at one of the, of the apparent obstacles for palestine being a full member of the you. and it comes some concerns about setting a precedent for all the observed countries that always sparring to full membership or the you and i'm thinking of kosovo and it's tension switch. so it'd be a tie. one is the tensions with china. we're offering full membership to palestine complicates similar power level situations elsewhere in the world. cost of all tie one know this has been the will of the international community and core to international law for at least 57 years since the 1967 war. the notion that there need to be 2

states, of course, goes back a even 2 decades before that a, this is a long and specific history. there needs to be a political self determination for palestine and the state of palestine is un member of state. i. this is not in any way a dangerous precedent. this is quite the contrary. this is a protection of basic political rights that have been recognized for decades. why the us position is, is not only deep, fully hypocritical. it's profoundly cynical because what it says is, well, let the parties decide that knowing that israel says no. so it has given a veto to the state of having a state of palestine to what israel to the occupier. this is an absurdity of, but this is the us position. we don't want to decide on the state of palestine

because israel needs to negotiate that. are you kidding? the occupying power? the government that says great or is real. we control everything. that's the one that has the veto, overt palestinian self determination. that's the actual us position. i don't know how much is cynical, how much is bought off and how much they're fools. but they have been blocking piece for decades, steps to us. i did all 3 of us being very vehement and i'm picking unraveling the obstacles in the way when it comes to post on the full membership of the you. and i wonder if we can look ahead to what full membership would mean if and when it happens. most stuff or israel was granted full membership, it for you and 75 years ago. today, paula stein is still, as we all know, very much waiting. what would it mean to be negotiating with israel, as we've mentioned before, on this level, playing field state to state. well uh let me

remind you that when is that i and was it a good nice to bite you on uh, did we have 2 conditions that desire and have to fulfill the new bucks on sentence? which is the fact that the one in oklahoma is a new sion said that it wouldn't be a blessing and state. yeah, is definitely about happens answer, kind of that is read with implement the 194 is addition, which would allow the city obviously use that with displaced by is or in to come back home. also they did not implement that. so a practically the, it isn't on the mind. it's membership by not. so i'm sending these convictions. that's why i'm 2nd. yes, it is a fabulous conclusion of palestine on the next step. think it does. that's what i'm about. because that would mean that every major is at least half a month, and they're pretty much out of an exception. it has no political and economic value . i mean, that would mean this is a state level to be sure that would be absolute sales. but i have to say that even

when the palestinians on somebody have counted as opposed to the united states i planned for the city is fast associates with negotiations with is relative to the united states. that if you start to plan the link and this has to say, accepted on, so you have to negotiate the think with is it a n y, right? right. took a this is a use in, in the, in the bottom with 99 members out of 100 time jewish member. less than the stuff i'm using. the other thing in the 2nd team, the whether we're approaching the end of the program and i want to focus now. busy what a palestinian state would like. so was a follow up to you most stuff. uh, and of course, what it would look like maybe into an entirely separate show, but some, given a huge disillusionment with the status quote that particularly and they all get part of westbank. the failure to hold elections a, you know, in close to almost 2 decades now. how ready,

how ready is panos time to state that the site has been limited for a long time? look, we've been to my me states in the gulf. we've been to many states and other countries . we are so equipped academic loretta web to look, this is typically with resources with people who are so capable. it's about q patient that is preventing us more than that. is it? and is that on forming into our flesh structure? this government is fascist, by all means. and that's the obstacles. it's not the lack of what it is on the sides of the palestinians or the need for the for them. and they claim, the problem is that the patient, the system of i type the fascism that is growing and that's what enough to be stopped without sanctions, without the boy without effect of policy that says to, is it and, and must, is enough. and for the single furnace stadiums and is it a and is b 's has to come and it cannot come without the feet almost understanding

people as you say, peace cannot come without the freedom of the policy and people it has been a, a fascinating discussion, a very, very interesting journey with all 3 of you, jeffrey sachs, stuff about gucci. you'll see macro bag. thank you very much for joining us on inside story. i'd like you to for watching and you can see the program again, any time by visiting our website, how to 0, a dot com for further discussion. go to a facebook page. as facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. you'll also join the conversation on x i'll handle is at a j inside story. for me to talk with the whole team here, 5 of the if you're watching this prerecorded report that al jazeera has been banned in the territory, all is, well, we'll just scream or be any stray me. when my country is closing down,

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