a heavy rains of we'll say broad flash floods of land slides to in denise is provence of west sinatra. at least $31.00 people have died, including children, thousands and still reported. missing one major road was partially washed away, making rescue operations more difficult. millions of people in china struggling to find enough to eat because of high food prices, climate change as well as rising energy costs of played a role increasing this crisis. chide is result switch, but one of the poorest countries in the world. i was just curious um address reports from a capital engineering food in chad has become so expensive that families are forced direction. what they eat in markets across the capital produce is plenty, but buyers, i'm not. how are them keep here to see what she could afford? the full $36.00 us cents would buy you 2 cups of beans, but now that only gets you one cup. she says that family must decide between eating

to amuse or buying less nutritious for a trader. say that on to play the other we buy from farm is s a high price. add to that the cost of transportation because of bad roads and rising energy costs for prizes was sharply yeah. inside when neighboring nigeria, restricted other practices like high fuel costs, climate change on the presence of hold on 600000. so that is represent carpenters vice confusing, of what the little pool is about the united nations agency, save the situation is desperate as we have already too many young people in chub charging us people on the tv on nutrition its uh, i think the failed 4 times in the last decades that we have such, such an issue which 40 and security the next 3 months, which 8 organizations describe us the lean months. i expect it to be the most

difficult for people and tried dependent on food assistance. how many degrees i would use either right before we go, let's take a look. some incredible pictures from the skies over london to all 3 of the sky. dive has jumped out of a helicopter 3000 feet where we wink suits and then flew through the cities famous tower bridge. something which most surprisingly hasn't been done before. the power traveling in any 250 kilometers. and now they trained using cranes to simulate the bridge. as i mentioned, that is one way to beat the rush hour traffic. as if a mean a baka, the news continues here on out was era off to studio b. stay with us here on the of the

. ringback the what is happening today is happening on our watch. the news from now, they will be people asking, how did you let it happen? yeah. when way you have tragedy from me, of a democratic south africa is not typically worse than anywhere else. it's how quickly we sort of adopted the very told re global norms of the into twining of money and politics. ready i thought into photography because i wanted social change. ready to me politics as

i've sent a questionnaire from get sent out. it's a question, a social movements and the lives of everyday people. you're looking perfect and they said, my name is cherie, the lol, i'm not, i'm a southern journalist from my mother the we have to ensure that as much unvarnished truths gets out into the world as possible. if that makes people resent us, so be it. when i try to investigations, i was threatened with removal from problem. my name is andrew fine, steve. and i'm a south african, right to campaign a politician. the or the

$2100.00 resigned over the amc government's failure to investigate the career of tom's to invent on to rights about will say on straight is really about change profits rather than uh, security since discovering the power of news show he knows been relentlessly documenting human rights abuses for working conditions and class differences, all of which also got him into trouble with his own government. so he did his loan a photographer. what was the rest of the sunday after appearing on? how does it right and criticizing the government for both of us, we want to hold, the powerful is accountable. so what is the role of the story? how do we reclaim our own narrative? most to each of us do now to bring about social and political change. join us on studio be, i'm the

so 1st of all, just to say it's so wonderful to be in conversation with you. i'd like us to start with where everything began for you. obviously the bundle dish liberation, struggle in the ration role with central to the creation of the country. tell us a little about the way you were doing this to multi as time and how you came to realize the power of the media during the liberation will. well, my niece this summer in the old is the she was born on the 24th of march, 1951 the for the genocide. and my 1st reaction

on the night of the 25th was to get them out. and then that night i remember watching. now the skies were red, updates around it, one of the newspapers that is most critical of the regina at that time to focus on everything on a plane throws in. and we could hear the screens of the people as they came out, who would be gum. yeah. so that was how it began. and from that period and on woods, the fact that we became independent was so special to all of us. we was so hungry for news if a news week had been smuggled in from somewhere there was a picture somewhere. but then much later while i was doing my ph. d in london, i got involved with the socialist work as fuzzy began to see how they used images in their activism. and it's no,

i'm for middle class. so mean you go into these sort of respectable professions, the lawyer, the doctor, the engineer, whatever. i thought does bundle they should really need to get to the research chemist. i thought i'd found the tool and if i was good to fight imperialism if i was to get a challenge power. i was going to use the most powerful tools at my disposal, and that's when i decided to become a photographer. but i'm not married to the medium and they for tomorrow photography, caesars to function about have no problems picking up something else. you know, i don't, did very well, but i'd seen a dog. yes i do. what's nice about you, andrew? uh, i mean, obviously you, you advertise yourself as a proud left is true. but what brings you here? what was that social fabric that is shaped to i'm the son of a holocaust survivor. my mom survived the 2nd world war in occupied vienna. and

when she came to south africa, my dad, the south african, she felt that black south africans were being treated much like the jews of europe had been treated. so she got involved in the anti of pottage struggle through the wonderful organization called the black sash. and i grew up in that sort of media. but i think the other thing that is quite important is that my parents moved 29 times in the 32 years. they were together and liked south africans who didn't travel. i could find out about nelson mandela. i could find out about the amc. you know, it was illegal in south africa to have an image of monday left to learn some of his words and when he would be somewhere else and then come back. i would just think to myself, this is insane. this is, you know, why did black people have to disappear us of the areas we live in at sunset?

why are elderly black men and women called boy and girl and treated as the the subservient in some way? and i suppose that was really the roots of, of my politics and still to this day, i thinking phones. a lot of my politics are sort of a sense of full human beings being equal. and when you think back, you effectively started to document a movement for freedom and liberation in the all the aspects of your work that you think had the most impact. having left an independent bond with dish i came back to find, find the dish under an autocratic general. and i began to take pictures of the both that to try and bring the general down. what also happened was i began to smell the gas industry. the rebellion of all of the things that can view the general it of

what's happening. but then there was a particular thing that began cold crossfire. extrajudicial can expand on by the rapid action battalion. and i wanted to tell the story, know a, i don't think rapid action battalion would have actually said, hey, by the way, be gonna kill someone. can you come and take some pictures? yeah. so that wasn't here to be easy. but also i didn't really think showing bodies was good to add to it. i had to find some other way to tell that story. so when he spoke to the family members, they talked of how the 1st response of the 1st memory they had because of tortures being shown on the face as the rapid action battalion come in. so i decided to leave the torchlight to light my images, right? so it was very conceptually, the sense of very allegorical. i think the government got scared,

they decided they would close the show down. so the police came this around to that gallery. what happened about time was those images puppy showed had an impact that in no other exhibit of mine before had ever done. oh wow. and the papers, a realization that they was, the vocabulary itself was important in how the story to be told. but, you know, if one were to top shutter will, investigations because i've been working a lot on corruption in the country and i've known to what you did off the policy and then a more recent book in terms of the small on trade. i see the parallels between countries high of 12 q there. so, you know, i got involved in the struggle against the potter date. my work briefly is a facilitator in the constitutional negotiations that led to the 1st democratic

election in 1994. and i was elected that and that was an extraordinary time, you know, when my data was around. and the fact that everything we did was sort of in the interests of national unity and national reconciliation. but as soon as monday, let's step down his successor. i'm in the tragedy for me, of a democratic solve africa is not that were worse than anywhere else. it's how quickly we sort of adopted the very told re global knowns of politics and economics and the intertwining of money and politics. and i was the ranking amc member on the main financial oversight committee when my own policy and government decided to spend 10000000000 dollars on weapons which we had absolutely no need of. so i stood up against that. and, and becky, who was in the president basically told me, i had a choice. i could have a great political career for the rest of my life. but i had to end this

investigation. oh, i could try and continue the investigation that forced me out of parliament. so i tried to continue the investigation and knew exactly when they were going to kick me out and i resigned the night before. but i want you to know more about what this global arms trade was that had so corrected a young democracy. and that's what led trust to an organization called corruption watch. and then an organization called shadow world investigations which investigates the alms trade corruption and its impact on politics and on the world . but tell us a little bit about your organization that you created. well, 3 quiz setup last week because of my realization of how the narrative is controlled. and what paola, the storyteller has it started actually with the as most observation i was having a show in belfast, and i'm very fond of kids. and i was staying with in new re, uh,

been friends, place, and green. uh, the little daughter would jump into my arms retail each other stories a one day. she uh, she standing at the doorway rather than jumping up to my lap net just every up as what's the magic rena? i've had clients in my pocket and i'm just putting them on the table and she says, you've got money to this. i've got money, but you from bangladesh. oh, she comfortable, i could. oh yeah, i could see how this image of the bangladesh she was that of an icon of poverty. i sort of okay. you know, like do you have these photographers visiting? i know they fly and they have diarrhea for 2 days. i'm taping the no, but they create that image of what my country is and if we were to change that, we need to to be our own story, tell us a lot because what 3 was a platform for us story. tell us that feels like an appropriate point to ask if

there are any questions from the audience. so in light of the very different struggles for liberation in both to your perspective, the country, south african bangladesh. so what are the impacts of those on struggles on the political landscape, corruption and authoritarianism, and what's the impact on the citizens? well i, i mentioned the military general and we were finally able to get the general down and we had an election. you had an elective government, that's when we came to the realization that having an election in itself does not lead to democracy. certainly, the process itself is also be narrowed it. but the fact that the democratic process actually requires far more than that. i'm. it requires active engagement of the citizen. 3 itself is something we've been now really recognized.

and we also realize that while this oldest rhetoric by democracy and freedom by international community, they would much rather have a plan dictated than some messy democracy. but i would like to come back to you on that because you know, i was the routine that didn't power was similar today and see what led to the revolution and liberation. yeah. but once they get the sense of entitlement, once we have that, now it is time for us to to consume. this is out anyhow. you know, south africa under potty was brutal. and the potted regime spends almost coff has 14 percent on militarize ation policing, etc, etc. and what happened often, 1994 when we became a democracy, is that the brutality of the townships effectively was now across the country. and,

you know, all levels of violent crime are extreme. and we remain in some ways quite a militarized society. you know, you did flip the switch on and off the one election, you suddenly have a peaceful democratic society in which everybody lives happily together. are there any more questions from anyone? so you alluded to a relationship between the media and politics and the economics. am i would be interested to on your pass and experience these. we like work with each other, how these tenants of influenza. and then i would also be interested from your experiences also and social movements. what would you recommend to a social activists today so that we can win? thank you. do you want to give to the well, in terms of the media, it is said it's

a full of a state. suddenly placed in my country. i suspect elsewhere to main center media has abdicated. they have long since given up the troll they, they money making machines and in the interest of making money, they will make whatever decisions they need to make. they still keep on the veneer . but i mean, particularly today, i mean i'm wearing this for a very specific reason. i think what the mainstream media particularly invest in countries is doing is shameful. yeah, the fact that they have so blatantly taken partisan positions is usually problematic, but it does talk about this next this off, the powerful entities and the fact that media across the globe today is owned by the possible means it's no longer represents the public as such. and as long since failed to do so, i agree with that entirely. i mean, i think that the commercialized media,

which is how i refer to the main stream media, you know, awesome the financial institutions the own so much of the world. so the defense companies that i investigate and work on, they were owned by the same people pretty much when you look at the shared holdings and the inter relations of those. and you know, it, it sounds a little bit of glib, but there is a sort of an establishment narrative. we can have a democracy within this box. so long as we talk about the set of things, if you want to go outside that box and then unix stream is, then we don't want to hear your voice and we just ignore him. and of course we're seeing it primarily around calls today. but we're now seeing a situation where our politicians feel so out of touch with the people they're supposed to represent about. and it's really important issue of hundreds and

hundreds of innocent people being slaughtered every day. and i think that this gap just feels so wide now and it's reflected in the media landscape. and i think what we all seeing now is 2 things that have been happening. one is the sort of the rise of alternative media. and it's the one thing that gives me a lot of hope to sort of quality of quite a lot of the attendance of media. i mean some of it is a roofing, but a lot of it is really impressive. fact based, verifiable information and the other side is this real notion of citizen, jen, is a, you know, the fact that we're seeing a genocide in real time on our screens is because of the coverage of people on the ground. and i honestly think that when we come to our senses, one of the impacts of this horrific tragedy is going to be

a significant re alignment of how people get information, the news and who they do and don't trust which was particularly so idle. if a picture speaks a 1000 words, what is the impact of this new technology as a on, on photo john as a, as an industry, particularly in terms of conflict such as we every now? well, i go back a long way, louis high, and i think 19, i'm going to have this great statement saying while photo trusts may not lie, lawyers may take photographs. today you have presidents and generals and religious leaders who are elias and in that position. and i, i recognize what digital technology has done, what a i has done, intensive question, the perceived veracity of the photographic image. i actually think it's very

healthy because what it does is it takes the proof of the veracity and validity of the image away from the image itself and places it on the old. so if you believed or not, whether you believed or not depends upon, we are track record on what you've done, whether you have the credibility on off because what's on the same and i think the same should happen with images. i think the danger is that we implicitly believe in the image. now the fact that it's being pressed you and i think is healthy. so one of the things i'm particularly worried about is that we seem to repeat history again and again and again. so for example, since world war 2 and the holocaust, we've seen a, you know, a also genocides and us trustees. and now what's going on and gaza. and we're also

seeing a rise and fall right extremism across europe amongst the population. but what i'm worried about is that we're going for just cycle where we say we never forget a never again. but then we end up guessing and committing the same mistakes that we did last time. i want to ask, is it possible that we can have a break out of the cycle? and if so, how society can we do that? firstly, i'd like to say that we do actually learn from history. the history is an official narrative written by the there's a lovely african statement that goes until the lines find the story tellers story to about hunting below res, blurry 5, you have to come up as the basis on which we set up 3. we want to the platform for different story, tell us. and it's a person who controls the narrative that determines what the story is. and i think

we need to take over that narrative because they get away with it because there are officially subscribe histories would be a fed continuously. and i think that the entire process needs to be something that i would just add to that that we then use those official histories, the histories of the. ready is who write it to justify what we do to violate the very notion of never again. and for me, that moment was when these really ambassador to the united nations will a yellow star of david, like my mother had had to wear in occupied vienna when he justified israel slaughter of innocent palestinians that you know, that is not to ignore the fact that many israelis died on the 7th of october,

and as human beings, we should always always mourn and a week, but the death of any other human be. that is what to be human is in my opinion. but to suggest that the flow for of 6000000 people, jewish and 6000000 other people who are not jewish in any way justify what the state of israel is doing to people in gaza showed me how little of the actual lessons of history we learn. because for me, so many defendants have survivors and survivors themselves. the lessons to take from a jewish history of suffering is how to avoid the suffering, not just of jews, but of anybody. and how it is only when we have justice throughout the world. when there is great to re quality threw out the will that we're all going to actually

feel safer. so i think shy, do is a 100 percent, right? we have to be very aware of who writes history and how history is used. and only then might we be able to learn something from it? i mean, i didn't know how you feel, but just from the questions you get a sense that we owe grappling. what is happening to our will. what is happening that, that these heart is, can take place that we are enabling and facilitating? well, i would like to reflect on the fact that what is happening today is happening on our watch. the news from now they will be people asking, how did you let it happen? yeah. well, you know, i think each one of us needs to reflect upon that and insist that me cannot be completed in this process. the

we sort of seem to be living in a moment, but often i think to myself, hang on the races are actually describing the lifelong anti racist as racist which is insane. all these countries that talk about democracy have thrown it out of the window. none of you who i'm sure protested in the streets, have been supported by your own government to call themselves democratic the the latest news wave was so intense that this is all that is left. people are digging through debris and twisted metal to find any one left alive in depth reports the entire gossip population of 2300000 people do not have enough. crisis escalating and detailed coverage as well as prime minister relies on foreign

ministers to stay in power. they want the raft results to go ahead, define them, and then you know, who could be out of office after 10 year journey, in which it has become the most important translation award from. i'm into the outer big language world wide. shea come out of ward for translation and international understanding of dumps is the opening of the nomination period for the year 2024 starting march 1st. to may. 30 fast nominations are made on the award official website, w, w, w dot h t, a dot q a forward slash e m. the 1st, and i saw that we see 3 of the victims themselves. there's a disconnect between what we are witnessing on social media versus what we're seeing on mainstream. it is always an attempt to frame a true side of them, but there is no 2 sides to this. the western media does have

a western bias. understand what they are looking to get out and raise. the listening post covers how the news is covered. the . the level of the bulk of this has been use our life window coming up in the next 60 minutes. it is ready strikes, continue into the nights as fee as buffaloes range between is there a be forces and how students flights into the middle and self concept palestinians fleet for their lives with israel stuffing up a tax in rough view and says more than 300000 people have been forced to move north process has been re, shuffles.