the, the predicted shop a right turn from a to lead to france, germany and the netherlands, the right wing and far right parties have made significant gains across europe. had of jews parliamentary elections. so what's that state, and what are the consequences for the continent and the wells? this is inside story, the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm 40 back people. europe is getting ready for next months. crucial parliamentary vote. ministers in brussels has signed off a major overhaul of migration and assign them rules. as a campaigning hates up. polls at predicting a shop turn to the right, with the rise of right wing parties across the continent. this is a 1st year a p and part of enrolled. since the u. k. left the blog, the election will shape the future of the institutions and reflect the political landscape of individual members space. so let's take a closer look at the voting process. 415000000 are eligible to cast their ballots across europe. between june, 6th, and 9th seats in the european parliament depend on the population. they'll be 720 this year. each of the 27 e u countries has a number of any piece coordinating with that population size, results are decided by proportional representation. so every volt accounts to gain

a majority parties, form alliances. these alliances are usually made up of parties from different countries. the european parliament is one of the eas core institutions. it works with the european council on amending and passing laws proposed by the european commission. and we have a lot to get to it, i guess in just a moment for us this report from image and came back it's less than a month until people in europe have this say, when he gets to sit on one of the 720 seats in the european parliament pulse predict, arise at the right across the continent. jose from the so we're defending the national frontier with the re establishment of a boat is the end of free movement from non europeans and the abolition of a large part of the asylum. and immigration packed. the french far right wreck on get body is line with my to so be needs leak potty in italy. mary shelves own is maureen. the penn national rally is own truck to make gains in front. along with

lambs, milan in belgium, in austria, the freedom party, and germany's a f d. e running on similar anti immigrant, g green and fall right platforms. europe's interest politicians and says this selection is a flight, the democracy, and the you itself. since many of the right wing parties say they want to dismantle the european union. what is at stake in this election will define the future of our continued. do we want to strong europe that fights for values, and that would be more perceived? or on the other hand, or do we let our democracies be hijacked by the proxies and put puppets of author retirements, do we let send me a road and clear road? every scene we have built over more than 70 years in germany, there been 3 attacks on political figures in one week,

which many politicians playing on their role as a default, right? because in many talking, we do not stand idly by when public officials campaign is over, volunteers brucely attacks when election posters for the european elections destroyed feeling the claims that the rights popularity is huge. housing crisis the far right. but even goods and it leads to rising rents and spinning highs prices. and some politicians want to utilize the anger farm is struggling to make and living who are frustrated with your screen policies. whoever, unless argue it's, i'm lucky to bite wings. you translate into be a problem, since issues like russia's war and ukraine developed the right. so the centrist alliances, when, like, he maintained the majority for an i, and that full, that grip on decision making, the you can buy out a 0, the inside story, or the national, bringing out. guess for today's show in brussels. peter clapper was the editor in

chief of brussels report, dot e, you on the campaign trail in stockholm ana maria, correct? a built who's in the running to be an m e p. and in bass, england. okay. the, i'm on don't senior lecture in political languages and international studies. at the university of 5, he specializes in extremism and racism in your a warm welcome to all 3 of you. thank you so much for joining us. before we zoom in on specific countries and speak civic issues, i wanted to talk big picture for us and on a maria, let me come to you since you on the campaign trail at the moment. your full, my e p. p group, m e p. you're currently on the campaign trail in sweden with the liberals. part of a new europe group. these elections anna maria, being described as the most consequential in decades. what is at stake, as far as your concerned? thank you. what have the war now come to nothing. we have a price is war and conflicts around those in the me, the least for example,

i need also concerns foster very closely. and so it's, it's extremely important how the next your peer department is going to look. and what i see has a great slides and on we the, on the bar and kids to avoid that is the, the liberal to renew your, which is the unexplained mean for them to know because it's, it's modest or in the middle between 8 if the group you'll be happy plus 5 d a. and the source of this girl folks can be eventually replaced by the extreme right. probably is grow, which is the concept, but the red form is, was led by the primary. so he's heading towards the middle near where the swedish democrats from sweden are. that's with not the only change to pretty to come up to, you'll be a part of them and we will go from a constructive approach. we learn all differences to bring full worth and you were be an agenda to bottom and there i'm so what just try to block and the

and the way that you are beyond that. yeah. right. most of them expensive built in a i was, i was going to come to that because the polls, as you say, suggests that the right and hotline, conservative parties could finish it for us. the 9 states including in front and the netherlands and 2nd and 3rd in countries like germany, spain and portugal concerning to you as you say. so what are you telling voters on the campaign trail? how you convincing them not to vote for these bodies? and so we need a very strong in united euro to spend the uh for the people trained wherever they writing the history, a viewer with a lot what freedom fighters were holding up for the war. no peace and security that made that we have since one or 2 in europe. peace and spend up against both 10 points of style to photo boss. so as long as for thing is there all of europe,

and i would say the world is on the set, therefore only, and your mind so that strong euro can a song, it's today tomorrow and after tomorrow we need to accelerate the process of having a trade in the coming in to the european family, and no one can do it to low defiance except to come to our teaching table. so we are very, very clear the only together we can take child to be. but as of the big challenges of our time, mainly security, but also climate change, there is a cream and not like, you know, societies migration of this big issue, not the least that we have to grow. we right the, we need more trade when we were down deeper. yeah, we'll delve deeper into really issues that what will they will be going to these agents only ever a little later in the conversation on

a maria. they are some important issues indeed, but let me bring peter into the conversation. peter, your, in the heart of the you in brussels. what difference will fall right and hard right? gains make to the working. so of the apartment, if these polls uh, uh, as predicted. right. as well, if the um uh the is your roof in particular um would be stronger than of course. uh there are gen, uh, we'll also, you know, be uh more strongly represented here in brussels. now i think we have to ask ourselves the question, why are voters abandoning the more centrist groups and, and voting for the more life feet groups? i wouldn't know to call them far. i don't think people associate far right. but now not suzanne everything. uh, some of them are definitely wiping both lists. that's perhaps fair to say. both of them are basically strongly in favor of national democracy on self determination.

and they are very skeptical about centralization of power. you know, centralization of power, which in itself is quite an author. tell you to know why our folders um you know, moving away from specifically the new group which was the previous speaker mentions . well, i think simply because this group, which used to have some more framework, the liberal elements, has moved strongly to the left to its current leader. miss heidi, she refuses to even consider, you know, scrapping parts of the green deal legislation that has been implemented over the last 5 years. the green deal has angered not only the farmers but also um, you know, many industry representatives in europe that say that, you know, we have big competitiveness problems. and perhaps we have to, you know,

reflect whether some of these green walls have not been a 2 way street. okay. and maria, perhaps you want to respond to that. before i bring a lady out into the conversation, butyllithium is not about some transitional power. we are part of a family of the union, a the bottom terry basis and we decided together, it's not anyone else besides, for us it's the governments that are linked to the materials that are linked to the design. i do very much agree that the next month that we have to go some trade as i've just actually i'm competitive nice because of the green the was, was set up on stage 2019, asked about the call with it high interest rate, high enterprises, inflation no contract to the war in europe and the one that has the ability to so of course we have to adjust the way we limit the green, the again, the way that we take him to account though we all,

it takes us far ours and companies. i am as more from a company, so i fully agree with that, but it doesn't need to go to the left, right. not that's all. it is the, the, the urgency to when the climate change is for the benefit of course of foreigners for the benefit of companies as well. but no one should be left behind. and next month the climate action. competitiveness has to go hand in hand and our legislation has to be less deep and more taking into reality into consideration berryanne into our companies. and i think we are going there because we have the lead time before the report on the table for the internal market for competitive. and that's exactly what we have doing. okay, community to come out from the table. some of the legislation of farm for exactly to respond to the farmers concerns. ok,

so we don't want to issue out of maria, but there are many others of course. uh and i do want to hear your thoughts about those, of course migration being one of them as well as you, you mentioned policy towards the middle east and i and relations with the us. i do want to address all these all those issues, but okay. yeah, let me get your thoughts 1st on what peter talk to box, and that's the reasons why voters are turning away from these mainstream parties across the continent. we're seeing, you know, political groups that were once on the fringes of attracting as many as one 3rd of voters. what's left to this, what are they benefiting from right now? he thinks but i mean, i'm not to sound quite concerned. yeah. um, but the base so far because it seems to me but we haven't been to these lessons for the last 20 years. you know, the ross of a far right is not something about us up in the dc. it isn't on the 1st on we all facing, you know, research and bodies on the, on the, on the far right extreme. right. and you know, i am using but as far and extreme right very carefully, you know,

based on 15 years of research, i think it's a huge mistake because i'm hoping to try to go 10 popular things like your family. so it is computing property code is just not a good definition by any serious academic standards. so i will use that then far. i am concerned about what i've heard just not just you disobey, but what i said beyond because we are not any from mistakes. first made to our punishment, but your interaction upon it are probably going to set up the elections be what? because 2nd order elections which is bound not the same as national elections. people tend to vote, you know, more progressed by the next ones and elections and people tend to vote less as well . for example, in 2019, there was only a 50 percent turn out, which means, but one out of every 2 york info just did not enough to budge either your be in elections. as i said, they're also 2nd order elections. which means that actually people are more likely to play football season might not necessarily agree we just just send a message to brussels to send a message to beverly. so again, we need to type on a, basically a massive grain of salt, right? as you said, you know, both as my boat 1st aid fall with our eyes,

but he's caught up in voters upstate evenings, but really only 50 percent of the population voted from the bar. right. meaning the 85 percent did not vote for us. all right. and these, these 85 percent that we need to talk to at the moment is what i hear is no one is talking through is 85 percent. is that what we're talking about is the re negative on the drain deal, reuniting on and actually got more hopeful politics. and instead typing into it too far right now that takes off migration or borders of smaller panics and so on. and i'm very, very concerned about it because of mainstreaming of foreign policy is not a result of thought, right? but it uses the box you that it's a result of main street politicians completely failing their role 12th, a positive out to use to what, what we have seen at the moment. i know, maria, your response, are you talking to the 85 percent? is that only on just mentioned by it, but i very much agree with the with beats or of course i haven't been now going around or of sweden, a big small seat account to sign doesn't need to need to meet. i mean, done,

at least not the only fault. i don't door a single meeting where i don't want to focus on. so i come before stay later to talk to people in that i. i always answer questions and i think it's extremely important that we talk to them and i agree and listen to them. that's why i said, what i said it's, it's a fruit of 4 months on the campaign for a and the i, i do think that the elections, you elections, of features that are taking just seriously. and there was a lot of process. it's very modest because people don't really know fully, maybe that european products is so much part of a life and the future, such a thing, it should be taken most here as if i take all this conversation and i, i really like it and i think it is important and it doesn't make it back to lots of them are just, you know, they don't propose anything that's just against. okay. and it just begins ever

since i saw, i mean, my colleagues and i, i really think it's, uh, we need to have all those in the room in this election campaign went in for the dishes that i'm talking about. the fact that i see that really on the far right for really talking about the sites. okay. and the, the maria mentioned having adults in the room there. and i just wanted to ask you what you, to what extent you think, you know, if these photos are all correct due to what extent do you think the mainstream parties will be willing to cooperate with, with the hard drive and the far right. but the hard drive that we had talked about, and on what issues will they be able to collaborate on the 6 a while i think what you see is that some of the ideas that are being supported by more rights we, you know, political parties have already made it their way to, you know, the history, uh and many cases are basically the main street in embracing again. well the ones,

the fund it. so for the main issue for voters is migration. and i don't think uh, the adults people are in itself against migration, you know, they understand it's, it's very valuable. but it's more the, the, the control migrations grows that we continue to see. and the politicians at this point, many attempts not seem to manage to control. and i guess that's why now today the, the check prime minister yesterday, he announced the 19, you remember, states are no urging your commission to um, to initiate a externalization off of the southern process. so this is basically what united governments trying with is wrong to approach. but it's most importantly,

what was truly a has managed to do. and, and, you know, this has, this has less to illegal entry into his trulia and the number of this c a falling to the 0 near 0. the fact that you know that if you based on human smuggler and you try to sneak into a stray or that you will be bras to another country in this case pa funded to get um, you know, does that sort of stops the smuggling and its, um, i think it's, it's quite hopeful that your be politicians are also embracing this now because also for, you know, asylum seekers didn't, could actually be a good thing to good. i mentioned a new folder as their license sheet. do you agree with that one? yeah. do you agree with that the you know, i, i don't agree with the not the time you studied the policies that were put in place in australia and have a century. i think already there was

a model i think about that people are writing by probably there were thoughts you where people are writing by vote in australia and people are mistaken babies, us arriving by planned for example. it wasn't more funny. aspirated exactly the same way as of all, if anybody's traded in europe at the moment. and i don't saying by putting by wire on boarders or, or sending people to countries like around are whether it was stuff that's the more touchy is the solution to, to these issues. i would also like to go back to the usual migration, dig up, i need the most could settings it to voters. i think we are going to talk about some next steps here. i'm going to see twice about lab. think of what the far right is telling us. i've done some research on these. are these happens and, you know, looking at the euro, garments of data, for example, are we supposed to be such some of these questions across the way that you do? what is the tracking? is that so that even your apartment asks the same people? 2 questions. one is, according to you. what are the 2 biggest issues facing your country at the moment, but not wanting to do? what are the 2 biggest issues you office already facing at the moment when people are thinking about that sounds great. communication is why the height is not the

highest issue, but it's quite high when people not thinking about themselves personally, immigration to them, right? no one cares about any ration. i think we need to ask ourselves here. what's happening? you know, and i think what's happening according to the dentist, very sophisticated theories that are very well researched, very easily accessible to both politicians. antonio is going to be series. what is happening is that the mainstream at each ease pertaining to immigration, bama gotcha. and what actually trying to hide other issues such as the, the quantities such as housing ok such as the environments the way that i think, you know, we need to acknowledge for the fact that these issues are given by a doctor such as publications and the mainstream media oh yeah i, i just want to move the conversation a little bit away from brussels and strasburg. what impact will these, you elections have beyond the content? what should the rest of the world be bracing for? well, i mean, you know, this is, this is a part of the digit code 0, thankful that, well, that's the proceed because we don't to stop the actions and that you do,

we have actions probably in the u. k. most likely, you think would be the next chance we would have to make sure that he just by the way, that actions and that you asked about our license amendment. it sounds presented and what we are seeing is this rise. awesome. all right, politics and i mean 5.6, not just thought i thought to use because you know, asked me to set up the many major and bodies many make sure y'all nowadays are just a colleen bloodsaw. right positions i'll say. and i think the wellness deeper, so if that was a for a diabetes and we are seeing these being put in place so far, the policies and politics being put in place by very mainstream liberal compliments at the moment when he comes down to the track down on the demonstrations is sort of goes off, for example, and you know, i think we all down very steep reserve and i think it would take much more than just aging but sorry, positions body waiting to jump to these try. and what we need is called foot boxes . we boxes, but where doubles to what's interesting climate change that but towards that are seen by many very being crises that makes people anxious. and so we shall fall, right as an when says to uh, maria, the war and guys, i certainly agitated in and divided europe. and european diplomacy appears to be on

the defensive when it comes to, to guys are in the middle east. and this war seems to doubt to blow to the efforts . some european governments have tried to make to ronnie the rest of the world behind ukraine. for example. can, can we expect some change after this vote from the european commission a more robust position when it comes to foreign policy? uh, we need a strong, uh, uh, united, the voice of the european union in the world invested in the middle east. and we need a stronger call on your piano farm and security and defense policy for sure. the extreme rights would be terrible news for the rest of the world. they are mainly friends of both the main defensive drugs. they're protectionist against international trade, which is the, what is getting, you know, gross and the well being to europe and the rest of the world. they are the color

rising, our society's app. would you people the games before they are assist parts of the model, but most of the quotes arrest against our people that against muslims. so this relation that we see, you know, and in our society, due to the, to the gas, uh, uh, war a can only increase. we need to start pulling to show our respecting mazda culture out what should be, what should be the top foreign policy priority of the next, the you commission, what should they be focusing on the most? he thinks, of course we, europeans have to focus to support to crying to victory and to, to get putting to stop. that's big suspension for us. and we have to do it together with our friends and allies and the we, we cannot have any other priority to putting is, are pressing and changing the, the order of peace and security in your of course are,

have to be moved to task in europe as always to be in dealing with crisis and both of the with them in the least we haven't checked, talk position. all of them is the least a 2 state solution and a more on monitor on a, for the people guys or we have raised our voice very clearly the of these 4 books on use of force against the people of god. so i'm guessing is to my correctly come about some of those terms. so got additional who has a fact, these are these but so for your pin position doesn't say another thing is to, the other thing is to know what is happening in roswell. so you can hear it has been very clear that there shouldn't be this proportion you as a force against people. don't garza but the is art has the right to defend. and so when a guest, okay or so i'm going to say she hasn't talked okay, not is really that have we be that's the the have to be for you. okay, we're running out of time peter, i'll give you the last word on what you,

you see as a top foreign policy priorities going forward for the next 5 years. what should they be? what should your be focusing more on to have a stronger position on the global stage? a relatively russia, as i'm, so i'm really upset. this is a is massive challenge to how to respond to the continuing aggression under war and ukraine. i think something, something that everybody agrees with in western europe is that we have been neglecting our defenses and we need to rebuild it. um, i believe the task at the end of the day is primarily a 1st of all responsibility for, you know, for the member states. and i think it would be tricky and perhaps dangerous to duplicate nato and european union problem. you know, kind of playing a role full so i'm so sorry. but i think that's going to be a massive challenge to reduce or defensive. okay. and yeah, i have

a little bit of time for you. uh, maybe your final thoughts before we end the discussion on where the foreign policy priorities of the you the you commission should lie the next 5 years. what i mean, i think it's, you know, it's a question of, according to yours, but he's arguing that quote to its policies, right. and i think it's looking out towards, but looking anyways as well, you know, you, you wants to be a role model. they have to make sure that, that they implemented by the $10.00 people that we didn't get that on board as well . and, you know, when you see thought, right, governors writing was reading to you. i think that doesn't bode well. and i think, you know, when, when you see that you're not be, not that you have talked to stand against that far. i've gotten that activities around committing horrible crimes. i think about the board. well i, the most is and the right signal. and you know, i think, i think again, you know, if the e u is just thankful for progress for human rights, they just need to put that they money by the amount is another moment bill certainly not doing this. thank you so much. all for you do for

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