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tv   Talk to Al Jazeera Anwar Ibrahim  Al Jazeera  May 20, 2024 12:30pm-1:01pm AST

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side, the full eyes and none of our mainstream politicians across the board seem to have a problem with this campaigner andrew fine, stay and photographer shock you do on, on active is on the crisis against each one of us. these are with this, and this is upon us, as with this is to be able to validate for the seeing around us studio will be on script part to own own disease. or the malaysia stands in the house of the agent and as emerged as one of the most vocal on the console. as this rel intensifies, it strikes the world is watching, especially what's referred to as the global south. the roles of global pals around the scrutiny, the actions, or lack of the united states and other nations of sponsored debate. all the fostering piece of fueling to how does the laser view the international response?
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well, many seek solutions beyond politics focusing on humanity, in a global sconce against what is increasing the use of genocide. we hear from the malaysian prime minister on whatever he talks to bounties here, the relation prime minister on what abraham. thank you for talking. so i'll just there in september, you spoke of the politics of dispossession when you were addressing the un general assembly. do you believe his royal is currently trying to estimate cli, cleanse the west bank and gaza, or of palestinians to look into the fix and the disaster disasters the consequences in gus on no one means that i might include denying the fact that the design, it's an a cleansing gross of science or genocide. clearly it does come to that. you mentioned genocide, and i'm sure you're aware that in march the 26 the you in special reco tool on
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palestine said there are reasonable grounds to believe israel is committing genocide. do you agree, do you see that as early as committing genocide? yes, of course, of the good look at the casualties and the bus station and giving no unfortunately the default anyone, children and women in the of the leave to survive. what other terms can be applicable, you know, prime minister when people in the global south here that the thing that comes to mind is they remember what the us president side on december, the 12th that israel was conducting indiscriminate bombings in garza. and then on may the 8th, when he said that the us bombs have been used in the killing civilians. and i think for many people in the global south, i wonder why doesn't the us stop sending weapons if they know is being used to kill civilians indiscriminately. do you quote on the us to stop the transfer of weapons
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to? well, i think the international community admin, very clear abundantly clear that the a thought of these and governments including united states should what we can 1st just skim sufficient or foster these and, and stop the cool the wall. and whereas the in a day a such a tonic describing some of the times. but the action seems to be on the country early is what i see. sometimes most countries in the west seems to be quite bulk of the code between the electors on human vines and democracy. the same time condoning, even though tolerating this uh, this atrocities against the in this and population. so do you think the us should stop transferring the lesson? so my visual, we're doing what is necessary is just to stop there, hosted this,
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this thing that includes the ending of what the info is not only weapons but also they have the influence of mechanism. and the, the prevent, excuse at all combined to be able to force. i mean, you just possible. imagine that one man within the hour can dictate the face of the world international human rights groups like amnesty international. on january the 26, 2024 human rights watch december the 8th 2023 states in the us is risk and complicity in his riley atrocities by continuing to supply weapons in diplomatic cover. do you agree with that? do you think the us is complicit? in the war, crimes that these international organizations are talking about. i'm in a position to, to deny that because the fix that is evident, that of knowing it to us, it is been committed. whether it's your line, your friend, no nation. that's a complete you have a nexus with you,
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you cannot control this. otherwise you have no model stitcher was pending in the world to talk about the new international relations. and let's see many d or even um all the inhuman lights. i'm curious, 5 minutes to do you convey that message to us officials and if so, what kind of response to get when you say it's undeniable, you cannot deny that you'll complicit in want international human rights organizations are cooling all crimes. what kind of, how do they respond to northern to us, your community? the me has expressed doing it through united nations to ballot to a month to let the mechanisms. i remember during the epic conference in san francisco, i did a pin to the not just this um, particularly in front of the president joe biden, who just did this and very, and that is really up to my expression. brushing that call, a video of the respond,
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no, it was no response, but the was, it was addressing but as a friend, as, as an inputting of a lot of, of, of militia. but it's been, you know, a net present for, for, for decades. how does that make you feel? well, i was kind of the name that i'm feeling the said that it just was a point to know that the interest of my present position and melissa, but because you can better see the d. b, i trust that this inflicted upon this booming that you've done. it just pushes as people, many people in this region know the conflict, didn't begin on october. the 7th and many international human rights groups, including even is writing human rights groups like they'd sell them. i have said in
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several of the reports that israel is practicing upon, tied to gates, palestinians. do you agree with that? do you see as well as in the pop tide state? well, policies and the actions of pros do the fact that is going be on the site to general site in gaza. but don't forget, westbank is daily atrocity inflicted upon people and they couldn't fault, of course, were issued before this round of conflict began 5 bait, sullen by amnesty international by human rights, wants to agree that there was an a pol tied foundation even before this conflict. because long before you, with the knuckle bar, and following that, the continued annexation is zip code as this. and how do you expect countries to accept the fact that in this age for whatever reason, countries have been colonized and you don't expect of example of an existence with
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the civil i'm going to distance the n c, the audi. i mean, look at all this piece of these countries, people have like to this bone and the mind independence and freedom in the fight against colonization. what to do, assign talks about this obsession. so you see as well as a colonial apartheid state. clearly what, how do you explain the of action against the police deviance and the fact that they continue to control lance belong to the police in people to recognize, for example, it's also against international humanitarian, little to attack, to take captive is really children and civilians. and in this, yes, i think really mental system this way. we differ with the, with the west, but we then question,
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why don't you condemn and do whatever is necessary just top that joseph this against others, is for us pressuring malaysia to try and change it stands on the goals. a conflict you mentioned, i think on the 31st of october, the parliament you'd receive to the marshes. what exactly is the us asking malaysia to do? what we have. think of this throw position, which i think is very consistent to because i will be independent. the foreign policy stands in defending human rights and the legacy bit solutions of any country be a will for all positions. these are the the, and see in, in the support of the, the monday law. but the big can then inquire they did the issue of my engage moves home us. and when i'm here the
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high did meet somebody nia and i didn't much on. but they should know what transpired, i call upon this a the organization including come us to, to try and accommodate support the resolution and the call by add up neighbors and to, to go up is for resolution this settlement. but of course i have my son, but just because i issue, but joseph, these the sufferings, including the, of a personal suffering due to the loss of the children and grandchildren. and i had to convey my sympathies to step is the us pressuring you to change your policy. and you'll stones, when i'm not to for bill blakely but, but because we meant in good relations united states, we continue to do so. i mean to the left for this to the,
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i mean of cut off would the take that position which benefits the international community? if someone has to engage with how much you like it or not, it does so the present, some portions of the policy and then people in gusto and you kind of deny that you'll see to us interested as of history in c, condemn as so thoroughly. so i'm going to visit my many european countries and that would be the idea of the action from the, from a israel and the supporters of is rose. how can you have engagement with the groups that they see and is categorized in western countries as a tire organization as a, a group that is criticized by international human rights groups to because of some of its actions or some of its operations towards is ready the civilians, how do you respond to that? i am not here to different any accesses by anyone, but this why does it focus even condemning? uh, i'm us on the 7th of october and muted
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a so you got to the 60 use the mall of atrocities it gives a busy season people. so i think therefore, we need to explain that this english one is purely diplomatic political to pursue them to understand the other concerns is of benefit. as the companies have done, even things is killed, the release of what status is to contact. and then this one, you don't need to leave everything that they do. but i think a principle this thompson would help broadening out to why the developments in the region or us treasury department official is being reported as saying service providers based in malaysia are enabling around to move its oil ave. so with that as being them allegation, but they're not given any evidence to suggest that. so you've not been given any
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evidence by the us. know, they was suspecting there's some companies involved in the ship to ship the shipment in the national waters. i said they will give evidence of that. we, if we do, then we will have to put that on check. because as far as we're concerned, we accept the decision or we and that's not the additions. but because we do not agree with the union union latrell sanctions imposed by the united states. so our position is sanctions going to be only decided by the united nation and your show that no malaysian entities are engaging in any activity that's banned by un sanctions. if the use evidence to be able to close to stop that because we want to be part of the domestic community that accept the gum rules. is the us requesting anything from malaysia at this point? visit the this question of allegations of malaysian entities. no countries what is behind it and the media busing?
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the in the sessions that we have, we let the systems really loved and that seems to be more subdued on the end we have given clear undertaking that we do not task this international rules. and if there's evidence we sit in the court of cooperate, there's no question about whether you work with any us requests visit the us unilateral sanctions, you know, the new new let's go. sanctions been difficult because i think countries do not. and jim, and accept that, leave us as in post, i think sanctions on full malaysian companies in december. how will call them for respond to that? when we said that you can impose using your power and assaulted, but you have to give evidence and, and i can assure you that we will give for all the support necessary. but is there any counter measure coming from column pull? you know, we will have to, it will continue to engage the americans as a look, a lift to defend the length of our companies,
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if they do not talk this international law or decisions. but do not that missions, but you come to, you know, the same, the be deemed to be bullying smaller states, particularly a loyal friend for a long time. on that point, you're also quoted on march, the 4th, during the 80, and some it is saying malaysia is friendship with the us with europe with a straight is, should not preclude us from being friendly to one of our important neighbors. precisely, china, you've also spoken about how he's spoken of pressure being applied. we do not want to be dictated to by any force these the us trying to dictate to malaysia anything related to its relations with china. so no questions. uh, so we need to explain that the time is an important neighbor. uh we have not had
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any issues with them. and, and um i thing is i will do t normally municipal cm, to be independent and observe the principle of neutrality and do what is best to focus. so now we cannot make development and therefore in increasing tweet and obviously investments. and that is being due to complete. it is the us costs, can you to downgrade some of your relationship? no, i know. we know i'm open the, i mean, i know there's been, you know, the and ms. eaves and but we're not going to respond to that because we see in america cumulative lease to the lawn, just invest the immune this year. and as the new investments coming in. and i think we look at these, uh, honestly there's no bias in fable against any country talking about the south china
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sea. do feel asian is failing to negotiate its code of conduct policy to try and manage tensions that this has been going on for more than 20 years. it is an issue this not to necessarily tens development. no, for me, one or 2 countries did the lease, some of these concerns. we use bilateral and also we call them monthly little mechanisms to continue to discuss and negotiate. we have published all of our neighbors. i mean, in terms of the position of the, you know, a neighbor that bought this big of a negotiating with them. well, you know, buzzing time then a single pole is a little 9 with indonesia and the sub of and, and the philippines and the wood is not tense just in the civil, orderly discussions then positions. and i think this will continue. i mean,
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i send, there's a very strong, queasy false. that's all right. if we talk a little bit about some of the domestic developments in malaysia, how do you respond to critics who will say, the economic reforms, the democratic form, that whole drive? it's, it's slowed down. you haven't met the aspirations that you you spoke about before you became prime minister and your opponents. i'm sure you heard from the opposition. as i say, it's part of politicizing is stabilizing. you'll coalition at the expense of not going off to powerful people with corruption investigations. when we have been in charge of the last one, the have years and you want to collect a debt gapes of accesses and then that period does, of course not acceptable. we have seed attempts in the past, you've been doing this and you'd have been experience with countries, you know, the whole about affecting clicked reforms would be disaster. so they could on
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me and the political set up, in our case, the country to this sessions and all expressions. but the position. what is the most important? that is governance. what have we been successful? is to check the views by lead us to the cabinet members from funding wealth, through direct negotiations to messy billions of dollars of send the we have stop that. but you know, the opposition would say, why would charges dropped the gains? for example, the deputy prime minister, your ally, while investigations are continuing against the hot, the mohammed sons a dime saying that the other thing is, is there a politicize ation of the investigative process? no response to the i have explained on the issue of the in, in the, in the,
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on the vice prime minister. and this for the attorney general to explain the, the doing, find the comfortable the fact to support the initial judge, which was initially the foot at the time when the other party was impala. know, then why do we didn't proceed with the investigation after then in the collection commission? i mean if you a phone to have a mess, billions of dollars when you empower and the you and the government on deal position. i mean, the former parameters this deal on going going to trial and i'm not here to be pressure to stop. that's why i mean, the jeep is still undergoing major and it's, i don't know on the corruption charges. and the coalition is from his party.
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but there's no pressure on me to stop that. so the, the, the via the ongoing case now. and then why do you take um time, again, some members opposition because my the supports opposite the him did not so but the position seems to be quite neutral. but they've been case asked investigate that by the end of the color into collapse commission that billions of dollars have been a mess and up to them to investigate. and for the, at the preferred time, if you find a conclusive evidence in for the judiciary to then educate and the site is not for me. you see the problem is that i am headed the system. we just also looked at it and sent me the total and controls that duty should he control? zip was the vision and the investigations and the assume this is a position. this is not a position on media freedom. so i'm sure you know,
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my lazy is dropped, so the full places in reports is without borders. 2024 world press freedom index. all media writes on the stress in malaysia. oh, to get an issue with that. how, how well have we have less that any generally know? have you been, any newspaper or the web carry for rest of june? list is october 17th, 2023. like yon wong. it was released, i think, off the 24 hours, but he was investigated the roger and the still being investigated. run for sedition. yes. i think that's something you have a positive speaking out against. no i, it's be a again, this edition because of political cases. i've been call into christ, got the recall is a and his age and there was no charge on monday with investigations. but when you touch the loyalty, the institutional role t then big and you know, you draw the line. that is, that line our system because the additional more lucky,
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the ruler, the full times i know position to this point and the times is the sum of addition low and need to be changed with. right. and to not doing that comes to the, the, the members of the royalty. for example, there's a reason why is that a red line if it's criticism one on the stands, of course in every country defamation libel, laws apply, but criticism is supposed to do so, is an indication that the king is involved in a completely the plan is to set up a casino, which, you know, really is the sentiments of the people and, and, uh, we just, of course, don't healthy 1st of these is that because it's defined much for you is definitely right. and secondly, you thought certainly a good solution. there is no position to defend themselves and factually wrong. i mean, i'm not, i'm being honest. oh, there was not one single proposal to set up a new casino. this is just an example,
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and then you talk about the media freedom. and i agree. but then use your insight list of riots do a lot of it you'll, you'll see a melissa, most of them going to be candidates in any lectures where 40 percent on listed. where do you want to throw them? so there's a limit. do they have go to, do you have to have lows? it doesn't matter whether we we, we are being downgraded. but what is important is that cause isms allowed alone. it is. um, i've been abused in every minute and i'm not charged them. that the issue is when you touched is different example, you know, condemning the lease, condemning regions, and you're inviting any such thing as i hit. and we cannot afford this in our country. and mostly that's the members of the loyalty. i'm the may, may just be the extent that you con,
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requested the questions and we don't charge them requesting the return of them shouldn't role to be open for valid criticism, but isn't defamatory, should have so fund to have like, should have some right? yes. who's oversee well, the rules do this for me, but she was asked about the king e d o jurisdiction. what was this? it shows, dixon. there was no investigation or charged like when you condemned the king, then the charge final questions. off the all the is. you've had quite a journey being in opposition, being an ally of a next prime minister being in opposition to him having gone to jail twice. and now being impala has on what they brought. he changed and whether we use the language of i changes or put on ties more often than before. but the principal issue is
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issues of fundamental issues like uh, judicial independence and to corruption, good governance, racial colors and minority. right. this i ups up these of do we fund the mental in the country and they can fix this issue against me because i'm not to compromise on these issues and the stuff you wouldn't be the inclusion to understand my position. i'm but the fear or the dealership was, this is it. is there anything you disappointed about now that you're in power that you feel you would've liked to achieve but you, you feel restrained back on what? to be honest. yes. because so i would have thought that you have a lead to will not take salary, show you the best, the to work hard, and the effect change of the full and what's best for the guns, a strong guess, consumption and excesses would be support. the nice thing go from the results of
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the last by elections we have given, i mean be given the support, but i'm a big deal is not supporting, you know, in the anti corruption. yes. the us, when we the launches into collections life to the very rich and famous the billing is, you'll find that many with this cronies and the political appliances, including the opposition using east lubbock by t or the belief party who defend. i'm a to me is horrifying. to have people talking about belief supremacy or a slight mcgroon when they condone this squandering premiums on the public bus or i would have salt, i mean the positive when with easy let's not necessarily full. but do you then go see to compromise? because of you have no a belief, finally the wisdom of the messages,
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