the the . ringback the tragic twist of fate for iran president of the name of the ac, is killed in a helicopter crash at a time of rising tension in the region and must have concern over economic crisis. so what does the death of a man wildly foster has been the next supreme leader meeting for iran? this is inside the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm data, you navigate the ac was widely believed to be on track to shaping your ron's future for years to come. instead, the country is observing 5 days of morning after his death and a helicopter cross. there is no power vacuum. however, because according to the constitution, the 1st vice president assumes power until the elections are held within 50 days. so how would you suggest effective ringing policy both at home and abroad? and could there be repercussions in the region? will deal with these questions with our panel of experts in a moment. but 1st this reports by wrestle, swords are into her on, in the shock and disbelief in the wrong of that i had it clipped attached to a residence. he received his port, administer, and 7 others. what sort of t? as long as the major search operation, including more than 70 emergency crews, and

a tour of the armed forces, flying thrones with heat sensors, driving through a tick fog. that's according to remove the mountainous area of northern iraq. when they eventually located the cash site. there was no sign of life in the wreckage. typically for the lower visibility of rain. possibly since now they're shay that combined with a helicopter flying and very rough map. when is a rain is really a recipe for disaster. race sees that comes at a time when region of passions are running high. these ready on is bombarding gaza invitation for an attack by how much spite there's in october, members of the lebanese group. he's with la back, but you run are involved in the of the, across the board that attacks on his rarely made it to the positions that you're on

the long show. the water with israel has moved out into the open last month is that attacked east coast of us in damascus, getting 3 senior commanders that around responded with the salvo of thrones and me so i was targeting is ready, minutes are basis. you don't want size being and one of the most important support does have to probably see hundreds and has been active the following and diplomacy and negotiations and being wasn't, could do to support that kind of thing. and even the lack of presidents is that going to change the foreign policy on the home front, racy, had the face of anger after he type into job those reviving an economy better by west of the sections was another challenge. he had hoped to turn things around by strength and relations in the region and was winston as that be john to further that go. the brain receives defiance of the west tempe trees back when he

was a young man studying under i as a lot of the some money. in fact, the lead president was seen as a like the successor of to the something leader. somebody has declared 5 thieves of national morning, racy. what did they to rest later this week? instead of that of to 0 into ron for the inside story, the ok, let's look deeper into what this new poster era could mean for iran, with our guest. joining us from to run, we have a how much better on z, who's a professor at the university to ron, and also immediate advisor to that reading and negotiating team during new clear thoughts in new york rocks on for a month for my on is a professor at cambridge university in the u. k. and middle east security specialist, joining us from washington, dc, a sort of policy who's the executive vice president of the quincy institute for responsible state cross. the thing us think tank. welcome to you all. thanks so much for your time. mr moran, the over and so hold on,

you're someone who personally knew ibrahim is that you see what's the mood like into around right now with the news of the desk of the president, the foreign minister as well as their companions? well, everyone that i know is very sorrowful. i was on campus today both before and after class students, colleagues and employees all came up to me and they were all moved. it was interesting that even some of the students who a couple of years back took back to parts and the riots or protests that they were very upset. and a couple came to my room. so hit the mood and tear on his very soul, especially since he has been seen is working very hard traveling from city to city, from village to village. he's constantly on the move. he's constantly been on the move and usually he goes to deprived areas where people are impoverished and where

people have been held back for a host of different reasons. and therefore, especially among the people that were the working class or those who are more disenfranchise, he has always been very popular. but i think the mood has been uh very um, a sorrowful, over the past 24 hours and many of his political opponents any wrong have been very harsh towards him, both online and offline. uh they have uh, also expressed shock and dismay and he is a very friendly, humble person in that steps that has made him very popular as an individual. what are your concerns if you have any about the accidents itself? i do not think at this stage there was any reason to believe that there was style pay. of course there will definitely be have to be in the investigation. there are questions they may have very legitimate answers. but it does seem that when the

helicopter took off, the weather was good. and then at in entered a very bad weather. there was heavy rain. there was heavy fog and there was a sudden change and weather to an over the past 2 weeks. the weather in the run has been very different from previous weeks. usually this time of year we don't have the rain or snow in the mountains, but this did the last 4 weeks has been very different from previous years of rocks on a new york. how would you describe president that i use has like a c? well, i think 1st of all he was attempt to possibly follow uh, the supreme leader who had been a who is 85 years old. and his succession has been a subject of some debate in preparation, and i think we can see that right. i see was very much being cultivated, had been elected as

a possible successor. his credentials are very much ones we can see is both loyal to him and a and also of having proven himself to be strongly repressive. at the time of the uprisings and protests, of the women like freedom movements. so i think he was a leader, politically of a ideological turn that has been conservative to the extreme and very much within the inner circle of harmonies. to ask for the reading constitution, iran, vice president for as much as president that is mohammed most. but now is students, the intern presidency and on the balcony, is to take over the interim for administer. what can you tell us about these 2 men that will be taking up these posts, at least in the interim. the sewing machine weighs um, uh by 1st vice president from the city of this truly who is this don and stuff in

the ron former governor where deputy governor, i'll go who is this don region and uh, well of course only be in charge for the next 50 days because the constitution calls for new elections. uh, within uh 50 days which is of course going to be quite a challenge uh for the government given the active fee that the population showed by and large. and when it comes to the parliamentary elections that would just have a very, very recently in regards to about getting connie, it's interesting, this was the person who was the deputy of the previous not advisor. uh, it's a jelly was very hard line, very much against the j 6. you a connie was in later on taking over the fall of negotiating a return for the united states to the agreement, which never happened. and has somewhat shifted his position, but nevertheless, has maintained that rather hawkish position on the new tenant talks, which at this point is largely shared by the wrong. and indeed, as a whole,

i think by and large people have lost confidence and hope that the united states actually it's capable of providing sustain sanctions, really. um, so the type of attitude that perhaps would have made them an outline earlier on the newer talks is no longer the case. the question is how one for going forward if he remains in that position the impacts. what, how, when it comes to yvonne's approach to the west of the whole, particularly if the changes take place in the united states in november. right. and we'll get into that discussion in just a moment. but 1st let me bringing mr. moran do once again from to her on because as tutor was just saying, there's no a 50 day window for elections. any potential candidates for the upcoming election. that's that you can think off at this point. you know, it's too early to say right now the government, the administration is preparing for elections and i haven't heard anyone

say announced that they may stand for the focus of the administration will be the elections. but during the coming days, of course it will be the funeral and i think that we will see that uh, present raise. he is a very popular when we went to the funeral takes place. i think there will be a ceremony tomorrow and cavities. and then his body will be brought to tell ron, and there will be another funeral and i think, well, we'll see you in on risk numbers come to the streets. so what we often hear in the western media about him being unpopular or hated or extreme. uh, usually when the, when the public turns out, then people go swap silent and move on. we saw the same thing during the period of general sunday mind me when he was murdered by the americans. we saw unprecedented krause any wrong. so i think it's very, it should be, you know, western uh, governments should be very careful about their assessments on the wrong day. they

always get it wrong and i expect them to get it wrong in the future as well. what else they impact system or on the rocks on was mentioned in just a moment ago on the succession for the supreme leader. because of him that you see was tell to this possibly being one of the candidates to succeed, the supreme leader. you know, that has never been the case and the same is true about the root leader son. this is something that we usually hear from western media, our western thing times for western sources, but those who are involved inside the administration, inside the state, they no one takes this seriously present, right. so you never had any such i'm patients who either do it as a sign of the leader. but this is the sort of thing that we're going to hear who picked up the constitution has a, a, an answer to every issue. the leader is very healthy and he will probably be healthy in the year in the years to come. but when he does pass away, the,

there is a body that will and that to a new leader just says when i'm coming in, he passed away in 1989. immediately afterwards, a new leader was selected and there was no problem. also in the 1980s when the united states and europeans helped m u k. and sat down to stay and also help indicate to murder our prime minister and our president at that time. at that, during that time, the constitution had a prime minister pit, they didn't bring about any change. we had collections immediately afterwards and the new president was elected, it was actually i to the harmony and later became the leader who was elected as president. so the constitution is clear about how the issues will be solved and this, the presidency will be um, but the issue will be resolved shortly. brooks on uh, you mentioned the process that had broken out um, earlier in iran and,

but you see was in charge when these process did break out. in your opinion how, how popular figure do you think he was? i mean, he was elected, but at the time of turn out was lowered around 41 percent. the election was turned out was low and i'd say many of the stronger candidates at the time were removed by the process of vetting that normally takes place before the actual elections. so in many ways, i think many people felt that he had been hand picked and that the plan was that he would be groomed in some sense for a possible next step. and although of course after mirandi is right, that there is a process and place the difference from the time of the previous transition from uh, i have to, uh, uh for many who then the revolution to the correct supreme leader is that there

were many, many candidates available at that time and i think everyone is going to be looking today to see who the candidates could possibly be, because there aren't are already many of the supreme leader is relatively isolated . and by design, he has eliminated many of the options that are out there because he has a vision and those that work closely with him. share that vision. and now many of the larger clergy, or many in the broader bureaucracy i think have been sidelined and so it will be quite difficult. i think for the current administration to mount and election in 50 days and also to find candidates that truly reflect what the supreme leader has in mind. because his view is very dominant. and he has also been hand selecting in many ways. those that sit on the committee that will be responsible

for appointing or electing the next supreme leader when that time comes to i don't want to put words in your mouse here, but is it safe to say that's when it comes to iran? we shouldn't expect any changes, no matter who takes on the presidency as well as the postal before administer. we shouldn't expect any changes when it comes specifically to national security of the country as well as sort of the ideological direction. and i think that is to overstate it, without a doubt, there is continuity in the wrong inform policy. and frankly, there's striking continuity of foreign policy between the shots regime and the car in question. when you scratch the surface by the presidents have been impactful, for instance, had it not been for how son romani, i am not convinced that the ball would have gone in the direction hoping to go shading the volunteer through the the j. c. g, or he was a major driving force behind that. it's difficult to point to what specific driving force, right?

you see was for any particular policy. i think that his track record was showing more as being a loyal, perhaps even appliance president to the supreme lee that rather than one that was really making his mark by a trying a new direction. but i think it is more safe to say that the presidents actually can be quite in platform depending on the personality of the person who holds that office. in the case of re see was far less than compared to both. i'm at the new job interval. honda and mr. moran, do you mean someone who advised or you were rather the media adviser to the iranian and negotiating team during nuclear talks? do you think that this latest development and this data for that you see into the, for administer will have any impact on in any potential nuclear talks going forward? what will happen now to? well, 1st of all, i would have to point out that continuity is something that we see in the united states and in the u. k,

and france and across the u. and that is reflective of this, that there is a, a state which is complicated and there are different people involved and is not just the leader or the president contrary to what many in the west seem to think present raise. he had actually very huge impact. the improves are relations with neighboring countries. uh, that was right. publish route for example of saudi arabia. but also we can improve the economic ties and political ties with countries for the north to the south and to the east sent to the west as well as the crisis. and i found the sun was well managed at the same time here also a push to join the shanghai cooperation organization and bricks and the runs presence and in these organizations will have a huge impact in the future. so he runs influence in the global south has increased dramatically, and his trips abroad has shown that so in foreign policy,

he's actually brought about a great deal of change with regards to economic policy. we do have, despite the fact that the situation remains difficult, we've had 2 years of significant growth and economy, although things are still difficult for ordinary riots. but one point that i would like to point out is that actually, when am i on so many passed away. uh, we thought at least people like myself in my youth, we thought there were no people because he was top a towering figure. the revolution was his, and the people came to the streets because of him. and i told a harmony at that time was a much younger person. but the constitution worked. he came to the place and we have many people today, both to replace the president. and we have many competent people for all the different areas of iraq or see as leadership. and although i to lot, harmony is very healthy, as i said before. but i have no concerns about the future. the right,

the truth is that the west fails to recognize that the rama is here to stay. and until they get to that point, i don't think they're going to be able to solve the problems. ok, i'll bring in sort of because they want us to respond. but mr. miranda you didn't answer my point on the nuclear talks just very briefly. i mean, do you expect a continue with it? continue with it when it comes to this nuclear file as well, just yes or no. yes, i think so, but remember, we were almost there. the americans, literally back though i was in vienna during the negotiations and ultimately the u . edu. foreign policy chief chief, joseph morales. said that the wrong and demand were acceptable, that they, that they were, they should have it. and we have, we had a deal at that time. turn out that you see was a major supporter of ties with russia and china. i mean for the global south, how do you think that they'll be viewing his death? and i do think that uh, that somewhere under is quite correct. yvonne has significantly improved its

relationship with the global south. it is not part of the bricks, it is part of the seo. these are significant developments because for decades yvonne was actually not part of any particular grouping or alliance political, no tree, it, it cetera. and now it is, and it's happening at a time when the global power dynamics is definitely shifting away from the west, not only towards the east, but also towards the global style. so the bricks, membership i think, is a big deal. the extent to which one would credit, right, e c for these developments is a different story. however, i'm not suggesting that he was unimportant in all of this. and he certainly was supported. but the extent to which one would say that he played a key role in mediating and negotiating this, i think, is a bit overstated. and i do think that we will see a continued c on that front, which is not only because of the institutions that exist indeed strongly for public health. so because of the fact that the right usage role in all of this was not

that decisive. what about relations with the gulf? a roxan? i mean uh, we saw that the refresh me on the uh, the mending of relations if you'd like, between a ron and a saudi arabia, in march of 2023. how do you see things playing out there? well, i think that certainly triggered a general feeling of partially thanks to the intervention of china in bringing saudi arabia new ron together into a deal of, of constructive negotiation. i think that that this is a driving force that will continue. but on the other hand, i agree with teachers that i don't really see that it was necessarily only a project to receive. i would say that another great loss in this particular a helicopter crash has been the foreign minister of doing dr. young. because i think he, although it's always difficult to read the tea leaves and know how much he influenced

the decision making his ability to act upon magically and to develop a narrative that worked with the neighbors in both the golf add to the northwest, azerbaijan, and the conferences, but also west asia, i think and central asia was significant. he had a means of being quite diplomatic and developing ways to start building trust with the wrong. and i think in many ways that is going to be quite a loss and we're going to see a, a, a search for someone to replace him. perhaps that will be somewhat less and less aggressive that i see the current appointment both are telling me and i think if it is to be bothered pony, i think it will probably be slightly less successful because he's considerably

harder edged when mr. merante when it comes to the, the resistance groups and the reason, i mean the 2 men, the other issue as well as the foreign minister. they both have a long history of backing. not only the palestinian call for one as we see now in the gaza war, but also the resistance movements around the region. and we've had a response from groups like time us has the quote these and you have on all of course, expressing their condolences and solidarity with their own. i wonder if you can weigh in on that aspect. he runs policy towards from us and hezbollah. the other resistance movement will not change at all the wrong will continue to fully support time us and it's resistance against the as riley turned aside the wrong will also continue to support all of the palestinian groups whether in gaza or elsewhere. so the ron's policy is, is,

will remain the same and proposes that the premises i'm compiled assign and it believes that the, the time austin is telling me that your heart and all the others on the right to resist. and that this really regime is illegitimate. that will just not change at sort of a foreign minister as roxan was mentioning a moments ago, a seasoned diplomats very well known in new york among the circles of diplomats there. oh, what would be his legacy? do you think to, i think the most important legacy for him will be the outreach to the arab world. he was excellent. are of speak, arabic speaker. i had spent a lot of his time in the arab world, which was quite a shift from previous for a ministers who often time had a significant experience in the west. this was reflective on the ron shift on there, the conservative governments of focus more local. ready and looks towards the south

and towards the east rather than looking towards the west to resolve extensions and issues. and in that sense, i think both the, the opening to saudi arabia as well as pharmacy that has been taking place behind the scenes with jordan, with egypt and other states is going to be part of the legacy of yvonne trying to integrate itself deeper with its arab neighbors rather than trying to sell for strategic tides with extra regional powers, rocks on final worth to you. and i mean, just looking ahead, you have 5 days until the election, 50 days, excuse me, until the election is going to be held. i mean, is this an charter territory for iran, or what are you keeping an eye out on over the next few weeks at least? well, i think the scene that we've brought up is a continuity seems so i think there certainly has been an effort already on the part of the leadership to dampen down any kind of suspicions or a sense of disruption. and i think we're going to try to probably see

a great deal more of that. and i think what we will possibly be seeing is a, if it's possible to go that direction, a slight hardening because i think the candidates that are available are people that have somewhat less experience in the regional or global setting. and i think although i very much agree with the teachers that this is a shift, a little bit overall towards the east. and i think that's definitely where iran is going and the south and a focus on the neighborhood policy of the gulf. i think it's going to be difficult to negotiate. okay, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us for how much around the front of ron rooks on farm on for you on from new york and sure to policy from washington dc. thank you. thanks for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. alda 0 is all com. you can have a further discussion by going to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. join the conversation on twitter on x for handle is

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