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tv   Studio B Unscripted Shahidul Alam Andrew Feinstein Pt 2  Al Jazeera  May 22, 2024 5:30am-6:01am AST

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permanent security council calling for a total offensive against the group. he also replaced the armies chief general louisa spina who had come under fire for the deteriorating security situation. outcome rescued then say they have been increasingly terrorized by the group name is. it's very distressing, especially for the children have know what this fight and is affecting us all of it . so have to do a 50 security expert. elizabeth dickinson says the violence is the consequence of an increasing fragmentation of columbia as internal conflict in recent years. and particularly since the pandemic we saw the ultimate, there was a trend toward consolidation where different, smaller groups saw an advantage in coming together to look for concessions from the government. now the piece talks have been thrown into crisis. i think the logic is very different. it's much more about controlling and this is economies on the local
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level, and that is leading us towards the situation with more and more smaller groups, splitting off and looking for their own interest rather than a national accord. the ongoing piece. stocks of health reduced violence in some regions, but not all in the rural south west. for example, crimes such as extortion, kidnapping, or the recruitment of children have actually increased as criminal groups continue to tightened their grip, leaving the government with no option better, return to a full offensive with civilians caught in the crossfire. i listened that i'm get the, i just need a book that the extreme temperatures in mexico have been linked to the deaths of thousands of how the monkeys, local media reports a many already dead when they fall out of the trees or a so weak. they don't survive the full temperatures in the state of tabasco, have regularly surpassed 40 degrees celsius in recent weeks,
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residents have been taking the animals to veterinary clinics to try to save them some of the tow nato some cause widespread damage in the us states of iowa. to in terrain and high winds whipped up multiple tornadoes that destroyed in time neighborhoods in polyps. the states at least 3 wind turbines have also been destroyed. okay, that's it for me. money in site. lots more information on a website out there at dot com. so hell rahman will be here at the top of the most of today's use of next year. be on scripts at the sick time. again, this is terry, at the scenes of unity within india is vibrant tapestry as election for the sweeps, the nations to childhood friends find their relationship unraveling as they pulled
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to opposing poles. can the friendships reside the political divide and the world's largest democracy? india is fractured, witness pulmonologist, the tragedy from me, of a democratic south africa, as most definitely worse than anywhere else. it's how quickly we sort of adopted the very told re global knowns of the intertwining of money and politics. my name is andrew find state and i'm a south african right to campaign a politician. we have to ensure that as much unvarnished truth gets out into the world as possible. if that makes people resent us, so be it. what is happening today is happening on our watch. the news from now they will be people asking, how did you let it happen? yeah. well you, my name is srahi delilah and i'm
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a southern journalist from bangladesh. to me, politics is not cynthia 1st and that's who gets into power. it's a question, a social movements and the lives of everyday people. join us and talk to a studio be unscripted the you know, for me, a very important thing and we were talking earlier about sort of how we got to do the work that we do from a truly was the notion of my mom talking about the idea of never again, and by the time she arrived in south africa, which was in fact long off to the 2nd world war and the heart of it. she understood immediately that never again wasn't just about jews. it wasn't just about your
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opinions. it was about, or humanity. i mean, my understanding is you, you faced imprisonment in your own country for speaking out. understand you've also had problems in germany. and maybe we should just sort of talk about that a little bit. and what it means in the world we live in, well, in germany is a very specific example. the being all the way up was meant to do was cancelled because apparently i meant the symmetric because i question what's happening in israel. but the idea about german. ready should be convinced by palestinian blood is something i simply cannot accept. that's any question that goes not just in germany, britain here the united states, all these nations, which i can place it when you have the united nations. and so many countries together saying one thing and then being rough shod,
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what's happening in terms of a being given or not given is, is ridiculous yet. they getting away with it. and i think we need to ask ourselves as questions, how come our governments can get away with what they doing. but it's interesting, you say, you know, supposedly you are 90. some of the extraordinary thing is that, you know, despite my mom's history, despite the fact that i've actually lectured at alfred some genocide prevention, i found myself being called a self hating too and an anti semite by all sorts of people who are very supportive of israel or very supportive of the so to of, of what our governments are doing in relation to israel. i'm the thing that really strikes me and i'd be interested in your thoughts on this. it's a sort of notion of you have freedom of speech
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so long as we're comfortable with what you're saying, we sort of seem to be living in a moment. we're off and i think to myself, hang on the races are actually describing the lifelong anti racist as racist which is insane. and it's, yeah, to, you know, it's, it's the moment we're in, i'm, i'm shocked at the extent to which governments and the so called west point in the global know, if you will, pad to undermine their own democracies. prepare to effectively destroy any vestige of international level. we have israel committing genocide before our eyes, and none of our mainstream politicians across the board seem to have a problem with it. have you experienced a time like this? before? would you can remember? well, you know,
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i'm from bangladesh of being flipped through genocide, you know, as a nation that's been through genocide. we should have been out there speaking. i'm at the end of the day in old countries. it is lead to is who how we would like legitimacy, who require these mechanisms to stay in power because the people of mama things countries yeah, i've actually supported it. and yet, oral these countries that talk about democracy have thrown it out of the window. not a few proof, i'm sure protested in the streets, have been supported by your own government to call themselves democratic. so in fact, there's people who have been protesting and they've been millions of us around the world. i mean, we're the ones who are being called the extremists, we're the ones who are being called hate. so and then you think who yes is dead children we're having to see or know screens every day. the dead health wife is
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dead journalists, just ordinary men and women whose lives have been terminated. because i'm afraid to say, i'd be interested to see what you think of this because of what is really a form in my opinion of white supremacy, which is new different. you know, if we look at the situation in russia and ukraine, i think that our government's responded appropriately. now is that because these are white europeans who have been killed, blue eyed and blonde, blue eyed and blonde, terrifyingly. is it because it's not one of their allies who is actually involved in the invasion of the atrocities on civilians. whereas if it isn't allied fine, they can do what they want. it is an extraordinary state of affairs. but if you look at it, if you look at the allies, they're all separately colonialists,
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a free country that has supported it, have themselves. you know, whether it's a strain the uh, whether it's britain, whether it's the united states, they be exterminated their own populations. the native population has been taken over. and now it's set to the colonialist who is supporting another safely colonialist. the one that's left, you know, as the son of a holocaust survivor. i can understand why many jews off to the 2nd world war for that a jewish state would somehow be a safe haven for them. and it's tragic. the israel has turned into almost exactly the opposite of that. but if you come back to a separate colonial roots, you know, is really, honestly, oh, should i say scientists? because a lot of them is really, is, don't actually have this narrative at all. would say we were the people with all the land and we found the land without the people, which of course,
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the 2nd part of that is the terrible lie. and that one cannot see the creation of the state of israel without understanding the macbook and to sing, given that history, that all governments will simply raise all of that, that the tragic events, the 7th of october, are seen as unprovoked. now we live in this age where everybody makes up their own trace. i think the most important skills that people need or to be able to verify the information that they are reading or seeing or get to prodded quite know how that works in terms of images. well, i can give you a specific example here in bottom of the steering shop. there was censorship. so it started with sections being redacted. and then newspapers starting printing blank pages rather than printing crude active. but then they went further to actually
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stop publishing altogether. they refused to be sensitive in that manner, and we continued to work, taking pictures. at one stage we thought we would climb this time out, put pictures on the wall of the press stop knowing that they'd be taken down, but that briefly would be seen. but then the general actually went be we were successful. yeah. so then we put up in a very make shift manner with 0 budget put up in a submission and an 3 and a half days we had 400000 people coming with near riots. why? because people wanted to see these pictures, this was the story being told about his stuff is to hung go for images that really fired us up. but how did we get from that in both countries? how did we get from that to the situation where effectively our liberal rate is a,
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a, now the problem, i mean, you've experienced very directly with your government actually jailing you. but i also, what i mean, i recently i to re, to the show at the united nations in geneva. i'm part of that was a scroll off all the officially recognized john list who'd been killed in the last 30 years and was 1602 people that was over 30 years. look at what's happening in the class that today, the number of journalists to a being not just the journalist themselves, the entire family is being killed targeted. yeah, not mine. and i'm that is how they hope they will prevent us from knowing what the real story is. but there's the flip side of that, which talks to the importance of bearing witness. the importance of all of us. making sure that we all convey is of information and of
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images. because if we don't do that, then the morales just gets worse and worse and worse, there i'm, i think i will go beyond, but each one of us is a, with this today. yeah, here now, and this is upon us, as with this is to be able to validate for me seeing around us. i think i repeat what i said earlier, generation. so now we lost gust those questions. it happened on your watch. what were you doing now? i think each one of us has to answer that question. yeah. the one thing that occurred to me is you're saying this is, you know, at the root of a lot of this, of course, this idea, ology is global politics. there's also greed. and the midst of this, the levels of corruption and you know, the work that i've done for you is it has been on the arms trade corruption,
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conflict, and they will soon should have been to twined the way in which political parties land up getting funded by the very companies, the benefit from the conflict. so is that we need permanent conflict forever was yeah, but it's not surprising. i mean, you have the security council made up of the biggest manufacturers in the world. it's like, you know, giving your kids to a pdf file for protection. yeah. yeah. well, i'm sure everybody will be shocked to hear that the country that produces the vast majority of the world's weapons is also the country that has been involved in more conflict since the 2nd world war. then almost all of the countries combined, the political system in the united states of america is a system that i describe as legalized bribery. but i have the sense, the end of all political systems are corrupted in one way or another. and
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that leads me to a different soul, which is, is this notion of sort of liberal representative democracy? has it the habits day? i wonder? and do we actually need to say to ourselves, how do we want to govern themselves? and how can we govern now, selves in the most effective manner? is it to have political policies? cuz, you know, if i look at the major policies in the united kingdom, for instance, the conservatives and labor. i mean, you can barely squeeze a piece of tracing paper between their offers if you will. and in south africa we have the sort of edifice of my own policy, v a n c. and they're going to be over a 100 other policies contesting against it. none of whom that i'm aware of actually embody what the country really needs. i think
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we assume, but here's an which team that is doing what it's doing and replacing that routine with another one. they'll solve it. i think unless there is accountability and transparency, unless if the person who does something wrong is held to account, i don't care who's that. they will still behave exactly the same way. yeah. so i think the onus is up on us as individuals to ensure that it and 3 point questions are asked that i think that is where be failed because we've given up to about space. but i think if you did not ask questions on mind the generate yeah, i think by not doing so by not constantly pushing, mentally intellectually means actually a give up space, but also lost our own ability to resist. and that's something we need to change. so let's get the audience to express their imagination and creativity in
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a round of questions. hi. so as a young person, it can sometimes really feel like all of these terrible things that were written. this thing in the world today, i've been in place forever, will be there forever. or if anything, only getting worse. so i was wondering if you could both tell like a story from your life, but make you hopeful that we as ordinary people can change things and how they are after i got picked up i, you know, it was tortured, picked up, spend time in jail, and it was released, obviously i was by government standards, a toxic bus, and we lost all our clients. a c o run me on the line line to say shortly. sorry, sure. hey, the nothing personal. but it's too dangerous for me to answer your phone call. but as i'm leaving my office, there's a young woman cymbalta by the looks of it. she had a little baby and she comes up to me and says, to me, bless my child. i want him to grow up to be as brave as you know. and that is the
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power that the average person still has. i think so many of us because of what he got. because about sealants of comfort. i'm no longer prepared to take those risks, but the some bolton, the youth still prepared to bush and i, bob gives me hope i had to leave south africa for the 1st time in the mid 19 eighties. because i refused to serve in the a potted military. and i remember the night before i was leaving, being on a hill is looking cape town and thinking. i'll never see the city of my beth again . i never see the country at my best again. because there was no prospect of a pottage ending then. but 4 years later, the amc it'd been on band on daylight had been released and far less significant than any of that i was able to go home. and further 4 years later, my dad was all fest ever
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a democratically elected president. and with the law problems since 1994. that's an extraordinary thing to have happened and it makes me feel even in the most awful of situations palestine to be the obvious example. now we should never lose hope. i think leadership is also something that we need to look at because it just, the leadership is something can we learn to as well. and i'll use the mandela example. you remember jonathan shapiro? of course here get. so this is costume and the size of african costume is an old lead is make mistakes. and manila also did. and he drew this cartoon of mendel as halo slipped the so he gets his phone called hello shapiro. next to recognize the mr. president cartoon product you further thing, right? yes, mister president. well done. as the president i critique. that's your job. well done
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. he puts the fund and that is leadership. that's spot the line. so andrew, you mentioned how the 2 political parties in britain are sort of having the same ideology. and you could say the same thing about the political parties in america. do you have any ways in which we can attempt to dismantle the power of the 2 ruling political parties? i think we need to look at our electoral systems and again to say, and i didn't have the brains to say this intelligently, but surely with all the technological advances that we've made, most of which i don't understand. there have to be ways in which we can have elements of our democracy. is that a more direct? so i think we really need a period of extraordinary political, creative energy in which we read design, the ways in which we gover now,
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selves and in which we govern our countries in the world. and the 2nd thing is, you know, in power level, while we're doing this creative thinking work that is so important in power low, we need to make sure that our representatives understand that a huge number of people are deeply dissatisfied with them. and the way to do that, wherever we are in the world where we are lucky enough to live in our faltering liberal democracies is. if we have no one representing us in our local area, is, is to find someone from the local community to stand up with community support and take on of the sort of head, demonic political forces at the moment. and they may not win. but that's not what's important. what's important is giving people choice and actually breaking the mold . but i would like to extend in the sense that while you're talking within the station state boundary both across across the globe following the same. and they
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are actually supporting one another. so we to, as people need to be able to bridge the gap this for, to entity only a few here today have to be part of the global community. and we need to tell autocrats they can't get away with it because we are stronger. i want to raise something that you touched on and really are on the moral compass seems to have disappeared from public view. and certainly it's not a spouse to as a question or a know pharmacy by any of our political leaders. how do you believe a moral compass might be developed and isn't necessary for it to be centered around a set of beliefs? atara accepted by least approximate was published? a question that's often enough to me. i mean, ethics obviously is a very important part of the footage and listening gen listening generally. and a question that is often asked of me is, is it right to take that picture?
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would you do that? is it ethically correct? and the way i look at it is if that were being done to me, would i be comfortable? i think that's something we very rarely do. very rarely termed the lens around and question whether my behavior towards another person is that behavior that i would expect or accept being done to me. when i was investigating this corrupt tom's deal . so there was a point at which the amc hierarchy called me in and basically said to me, here's what you're going to say. and i had a whole lot of my colleagues from my committee that i was supposed to be leading, saying to me, andrew, you've got to do this. you've got to do this is not just your political career, it's sort of a political career. and i went into this media conference after months of speaking out against this corruption and then investigating it. and i read the statement
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and the media will incredibly confused because i've been working with them for all these months. i walked out, i wouldn't take questions and i got into my car. and as i was driving i heard myself on the call radio reading the states and i'm just best intuitive. and i have no idea what made the best intuitive. but i realized in that moment that i couldn't do this, and this something about each one of us, that we have a line in the sand. and with that, when that line in the sand is crossed, we should not go any further. and the problem, the you in your question has enunciated is in most instances the lines in the sand have been raised and it now seems acceptable to do anything we want to do in pursuit of paula of money, of privilege,
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of advantage of others. so i think we have to stop that and we have to read write the history books by saying actually greed is awful. and what is good is exactly what you say is the mutual respect that we all need to have for each of the i would extend up to talk about the fact that you're never really on your own. i will again refer to it best of example, after i was picked up, i was tortured the following morning. the police actually offered me a deal of all controls delete everything, so go from you back, go back home. no one will bother you, nothing on the records. you stay quiet. i might just gone through the night of torture. i knew what might be a head and they told me of what might be head. but i remembered that i was not
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alone. i was part of a bigger community and send me to accept that would also be to sell out the other people around me. and i think that is something that needs to be women, but it's not simply by by really pushing that moral compass. you're not really selling a just yourself, you're selling out to your entire community and that's too big of price to pay. that's one for the final thoughts. and it reminds me why i feel so privileged to have had this conversation. because you've had a display, physical courage, optis moral courage, but physical courage as well. in awful circumstances in a way, i don't think i would be able to do. it really has been a privilege it. and on a, having this conversation with you and with all of you. so thank you very much,
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and i'm sure you'd surprise yourself. the i want people to look closer at the august, 2nd of this. i point by camera where all those refer not to the right about what it means to be american and about the ordinary people who get caught up in the us. worse filmmaker around tech and also via turn when on the power of political lot. what all the stories we tell sales about also, and how do we base our past to change our future studio? be unscripted upon one on i will just sierra the in
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the center. i bet you didn't have a unique perspective. why is it the doctors didn't get to have a say in any of the medical workforce has been so undervalued by the british government? from time on hub voices. tick tock had been a place for organizing politically, for getting people to vote for getting people to protest, connect with our community and tap into conversations you weren't find elsewhere. why is our government taking us to work on the basis of live?
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we the public have to get out there and do something about it. the stream on al jazeera, as a massacre in central dogs, that is really strikes, killing 10 palestinians of the shelter, including a pregnant women, the hello. hello robert. you're watching. obviously we lost headquarters here in the hold. so coming up, is there any forces or talk the less just because the northern jobs are neighboring, besides, on the emergency department, that's come on to a humanitarian catastrophe. theme. so you add new souls to suspend the due date deliveries dropped from the.

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