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tv   Talk to Al Jazeera Anwar Ibrahim  Al Jazeera  May 23, 2024 5:30pm-6:00pm AST

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success we were surrounded by a wild life. from the moment we entered a coupon. occupied right. not able to practice what the now be used only and look just very close here. like common here, sits on to play with large tires basically. but look in my private for me now. thanks. royal. i can also somebody probably equal, resorted in, gone to the malaysia stands in the house of agent. and as much as one of the most vocal on the council, as it is rarely intensifies the strikes, the world is watching, especially in what's referred to as the global south. the roles of global pounds on the scrutiny and the actions or lack of the united states and other nations of sponsored debate, of a fostering piece of fueling to how does the laser view the international response? well, many seek solutions beyond politics focusing on humanity in
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a global confidence, what is increasing viewed as a genocide. we hear from the malaysian prime minister on whatever he wants to volunteer 0 the relation prime minister on what abraham. thank you for talking to while just there. in september, you spoke of the politics of dispossession. when you were addressing the un general assembly. do you believe his royal is currently trying to estimate cli, cleanse the west bank and gaza if palestinians? i will look into the fix and the disaster disasters the consequences in gus on no one means that i might include denying the fact that the design it's in a cleansing gross upper science or general site. clearly it does come to that. you mentioned genocide and i'm sure you're aware of that in march. the 26. the you in special wrathful tool on palestine said there are reasonable grounds to believe
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israel is committing genocide. do you agree? do you see that as early as committing genocide? yes, of course. the beginning, look, look at the casualties and devastation and giving no, unfortunately the default anyone, children and women in the of the lead to survive. what other terms can be applicable, you know, prime minister when people in the global south here that the thing that comes to mind is they remember what the us presidents side on december, the 12th that israel was conducting indiscriminate bombings in garza. and then on may the 8th, when he said that the us bombs have been used in the killing civilians. and i think for many people in the global south, i wonder why doesn't the us stop sending weapons if they know is being used to kill civilians indiscriminately? do you call in the us to stop the transfer of weapons?
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well, i think the international community have been very clear abundantly clear that to me a sort of these and governments, including united states should what we can 1st just skim sufficient or foster these and stop the cool the wall and was the in the a sensitive topic this quite took some of the times, but the action seems to be on the continuity is what i see sometimes. most countries in the west seems to be quite to bulk of the code between the electors on human vines and democracy at the same time, condoning even tolerating these uh, this atrocities against the in this and population. so do you think the us should stop transferring the life and so with this, what we're doing, what is necessary is just to stop there, hosted this, do you think that includes the ending of the info?
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it's not only weapons, but also they have the influence of mechanism and the diplomatic skills all combined to be able to force and be just possible that the menu and that one man within the hour can dictate the face of the world. international human rights groups like amnesty international on january, the 262024 human rights watch. december. the 8th 2023 states in the us is risking complicity in his really atrocities by continuing to supply weapons in diplomatic cover. do you agree with that? do you think the us is complicit in the war crimes that these inter national organizations that tilting about? i'm in no position to to deny that because the fix that is evident that the knowing trusted has been committed. whether it's your line, your friend, no nation that's a complete, you have
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a nexus with you. you cannot control this. otherwise you have no models that you was tending in the world to talk about the new international relations and humanity, or even on the in human lights. i'm curious, 5 minutes to do you convey that message to us officials and if so, what kind of response to get when you say it's undeniable, you cannot deny that you'll complicit in what international human rights organizations are cooling all crimes. what kind of, how do they respond to northern to us, your community? the me has expressed jeanette through united nations to ballot through a month to let them i can isms i remember during the epic conference in san francisco. i did a pin to the not just this, um, particularly in front of the president joe biden, who this did this and very and that at that is really up to my expression. brushing
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that call, a video of the respond. no, it was no response, but the was, it was addressing but as a friend, as, as an inputting of a lot of, of, of militia. but it's been, you know, a net present for, for, for decades. how does that make you feel as well, i suppose a cannot deny that i'm feeling the set of disappointments, disappointed? no, that's of interest of my present position on the list here. but because you can better see d, i trust this inflicted upon this women and children. it's just choices. as people, many people in this region know the conflicts didn't begin on october. the 7th and many international human rights groups, including even is writing human rights groups like they'd sell them. i have said in
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several of the reports that israel is practicing upon, tied to gates, palestinians. do you agree with that? do you see as well as in the pop tide state? well, policies and the actions of pals through the fact that is going be on the site to general site in gaza. but don't forget, westbank is daily atrocity inflicted upon people and they couldn't fault of course, where they should before this round of conflict began 5 bait, sullen by amnesty international by human rights, wants to agree that there was an a pol tied foundation even before this conflict. because long before you, with the knuckle bar, and following that, the continued annexation is zipcode, as this, and how do you expect countries to accept the fact that in this age, for whatever reason, countries have been colonized. and you don't expect of example of an existence with
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the civil i'm going to distance the n c, the audi. i mean, look at all this piece of these countries. people have like to this bone and the mind, independence and freedom in the fight against colonization. what to do, assign talks about this session. so you see as well as a colonial apartheid state. clearly what, how do you explain the of action against the police deviance and the fact that they continue to control lance belong to the police in people to recognize, for example, it's also against international humanitarian, little to attack, to take captive is really children and civilians. and in this, yes, i think really mental system this way. we differ with the, with the west, but we then question, why don't you condemn and do whatever is necessary,
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just top that joseph this against others, is for us pressuring malaysia to try and change it stands on the goals of conflict . you mentioned. i think on the 31st of october, the parliament you'd receive to the marshes. what exactly is the us asking malaysia to do? what we have pick a disrupt position, which i think is very consistent to our independence. the foreign policy stands in defending human rights and the legislature, bit expirations of any country be a will for all positions. these are the, the, and see in, in the support of the, the monday law. but the big can then inquire they did the the issue of my engage removing the home us. and when i'm here the
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high did meet somebody nia, and i didn't much on. but they should know what transpired, i call upon these a the organization including home us, uh to, to try and accommodate support the resolution and the call by add up neighbors and to go up is full resolution a settlement. but of course i have uh, my son, but just because i, i sure but joseph these, the sufferings, including the above personal suffering due to the loss of the children and grandchildren. and i had to convey my sympathies to step, is with us pressuring you to change your policy. and you'll stones when i'm not to forbid obliquely but, but because you meant in good relations united states, if you continue to do so. i mean to the left for this to the, i mean of cut off would the take that position which benefits the international
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community? if someone has to engage with how much you like it or not, it does so the present, some portions of the policy and then people in gusto and you kind of deny that you'll see to us interested as of history, n c. condemn us at that early. so i'm going to visit my many european countries and i'm gonna be the idea of the action from the, from a israel and the supporters of is rose. how can you have engagement with the groups that they see and is categorized in western countries as a tire organization as a group that is criticized by international human rights groups to because of some of its actions or some of its operations towards is ready, the civilians how do you respond to that? i am not here to different any accesses by anyone, but this what, why does it focus even condemning? uh, i'm honest, on the 7th of october and muted
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a. so you got to the 60 use the mall of atrocities it gives a busy season people so, so i think therefore, we need to explain that this english one is purely diplomatic political to pursue them to understand the other concerns is of benefit as the companies have done, you've been saying this go the release of what status is to contact and engagement . you don't need to agree with everything that they do. but i think a principle this thomas would help broadening out to why the developments in the region or us treasury department official is being reported as saying service providers based in malaysia are enabling around to move its oil ave. so with that as being them allegation, but they're not given any evidence to suggest that. so you've not been given any evidence by the us. know they was suspecting there's some companies involved in the
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ship to ship the shipment in the national waters said they will give evidence of that. we, if we do, then we will have to put that on check. because as far as we're concerned, we accept the decision of united method missions. but because we do not agree with the union unilateral sanctions imposed by the united states. so our position is sanctions going to be only decided by the united nation and your show that no malaysian entities are engaging in any activity that's banned by un sanctions. if the use evidence to be able to close to stop that because we want to be part of the domestic community that accept the gum rules is the us requesting. and the thing from malaysia at this point, visit the this question of allegations of malaysian entities. no countries what is behind it and the media busing?
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the in the sessions that we have, we let the systems really loved and that seems to be more subdued on the and we have given clear undertaking that we do not task this international rules. and if there's evidence we sit in the court of cooperate, there's no question about where do you work with any us requests visit the us unilateral sanctions, you know, the new new let's go. sanctions been difficult because i think companies do not. and jim, and accept that, leave us as in post, i think sanctions on full malaysian companies in december. i will call them for respond to that. when we, we said that you can impose using your power and authority, but you have to give evidence and, and i can assure you that we will give all the support necessary. but is there any counter measure coming from column pull? you know, we will have to, it will continue to engage the americans as a look, a lift to defend the length of our companies,
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if they do not talk this international law or decisions but do nothing. missions, but you come to, you know, the same, the be deemed to be bullying smaller states, particularly a loyal friend for a long time. on that point, you're also quoted on march, the 4th, during the 80, and some it is saying malaysia is friendship with the us. with europe, with a straight is, should not preclude us from being friendly to one of our important neighbors. precisely, china. you've also spoken about how he's spoken of pressure being applied. we do not want to be dictated to by any force, easily us trying to dictate to malaysia anything related to its relations with china. so no questions. uh, so we need to explain that the time is an important neighbor. uh,
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we have not had any issues with them and, and um the thing is i will do t normally municipal cm to be independent and observe the principle of neutrality and do what is best to focus. so now we can all make development and therefore in increasing tweet and obviously investments, and that is being due to complete. it is the us costs, can you to downgrade some of your relationship? no, i know we're not open the, i mean, i know there's been, you know, the and missives and, but we're not going to respond to that because we see in america cumulative lease to the lawn. just invest the immune this year. and as the new investments coming in, and i think we look at these, uh, honestly, this no bias in favor against any country. talking about the south china sea,
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do feel asian, is failing to negotiate its code of conduct policy to try and manage tensions that this has been going on for more than 20 is it is an issue this not to necessarily tens development. no, for me, one or 2 countries did the lease, some of these concerns. we use bilateral and also we call them monthly little mechanisms to continue to discuss and negotiate. we have published all of our neighbors. i mean, in terms of the position of a, you know, a neighbor that bought this big of a negotiating with them. well, you know, buzzing time then a single pole is a little 9 with indonesia and the sub of and, and the philippines and the but it's not tense just in the civil orderly, a discussions, new positions. and i think this will continue. i mean, i send, there's a very strong queasy force or if we talk
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a little bit about some of the domestic developments in malaysia, how do you respond to critics who will say, the economic reforms, the democratic reform that whole drive? it's, it slowed down. you haven't met the aspirations that you you spoke about before you became prime minister and your opponent. so i'm sure you've heard of the opposition. as i say, it's part of politicizing, stabilizing. you'll coalition at the expense of not going off to powerful people with corruption investigations. when we have been in charge of the last one that have years and you want to collect a decades of accesses, then that period is of course not acceptable. we have seen them in the past, you've been doing this and you'd have been experience with countries, you know, gung ho about affecting quickly foams. be disaster,
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so they could on me and the political set up, in our case, the country to this sessions and all aspersions deposition. what is the most important? that is governance? what have we been successful? is to check the views by lead us to the cabinet members from funding wealth, through direct negotiations to messy billions of dollars of send the we have stop that. but you know, the opposition would say, why would charges dropped the gains? for example, the deputy prime minister, your ally, while investigations are continuing against the not the mohammed sons, a dime zane. and the other thing is, is there a politicize ation of the investigative process? no response to the i have explained on the issue of, of the, in, in the, in the,
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on the vice prime minister. and this for the attorney general to explain the, the doing find comfortable the fact to support the initial judge, which was initially the foot at the time when the other party was in power. you know, then why do we then proceed with the investigation accepted in as a collection commission? i mean, if you a phone to have a mess, billions of dollars when you empower and the you and the government on deal position. i mean, the former parameters this deal on going going to trial and i'm not here to be pressure to stop. that's why i mean, the jeep is still undergoing major and it's, i don't know on the corruption charges. and the coalition is from his party.
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but there's no pressure on me to stop that. so the, the, the via the ongoing case now. and then why do you take um time, again, some members opposition? because my, the support 0 position did not support the position seems to be quite neutral. but they've been case asked investigate that by the end of the color empty cups commission, that billions of dollars have been a mess and up to them to investigate and for the attorney general to prefer time. if you find a conclusive evidence in for the judiciary to then educate and the design is not for me, you see the problem is i in headed the system. we just also re daddy and send me the tutorial and controls i do to show you control. zip was the vision and the investigations and the assume this is a position, this is not a position on media freedom. so i'm sure you know, my lazy is dropped. 34 places in reporters without borders. 2024 world press
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freedom index. all media writes on distracting malaysia. oh, to get an issue with that. how. how well, how realistic. i mean generally, no. have you been any newspaper or the web carry for rest of june list and october 17th? 2023. like yon wong. it was released. i think after 24 hours, but he wasn't investigated. they're all jealous. still being investigated to run for sedition. yes, i think that's something you have a positive speaking out against. no i, it's be a again, this edition because of political cases i've been call into christ. got the recall is and his age and there was no charge, not even investigations. but when you touched the loyalty, the institutional role then big, oh you draw the line. that is that line our system because there should've been lucky. the ruler,
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the full thumbs. i know position to the spot. and the time is the additional need to be changed with right. and to not do anything comes with the the, the members of the loyalty. for example, there's a reason why is that a red line? if it's criticism, what on the stands? of course, in every country defamation live laws apply, but criticism it is listed as an addition that the king is involved in um, or can proceed with the appointment is to set up casino, which, you know, usually is the sentiments of the people and, and, uh, we just of course is not healthy for these is, is that because it's defined much for you, is that for money, right? and secondly, you thought the solution to is no position to defend themselves and factually wrong . i mean, i know i'm being honest, oh, there was not one single proposal to set up a new casino. this is just an example,
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and then you talk about the media freedom. and i agree. but then use your insight list of riots do allow that. you'll, you'll see a few minutes, it wouldn't, and most of them can be candidates in any lectures. we have 40 percent on listed. where do you want to throw them? so there's a limit. do they have go to, do you have to have lows, it doesn't matter. whether we, we, we are being downgraded, but what is important is that cause isms allowed alone. it is. um, i've been abused in every minute and i'm not charged the the issue is when you touched is if example, you know, condemning the lease, condemning really dense and you're inviting any such thing as i hit. and we cannot afford this in our country. and mostly the members of the loyalty, i'm the may, may just be the extent that you con, requested the questions and we don't charge them requesting the return with them.
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shouldn't role to be open for valid criticism, but isn't defamatory, should have so fun to have like, should have some right? yes. who's oversee a? well, the rulers do this, amazes buses. us about the king, the d. o jurisdiction. what was the officials? dickens? there was no investigation or chalk, right when you condemned the king, then there be a charge final questions off the all the is you've had quite a johnny being in a position being an ally of next prime minister, being in opposition to him having gone to jail twice and now being impala has on what they brought, he changed whether we use the late new judges or put on ties more often than before . but the principal issue is issues of the fundamental issues like uh,
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judicial independence and to corruption, good governance, racial colors and minority. right. this i ups of the of do we fund a mental in the country and they can fix this issue against me because i'm not to compromise on these issues and the stuff even with the inclusion to understand my position. i'm not but the feel. oh, the judicial process. is it, is there anything you'd disappointed about now that you're in power that you feel you would have liked to achieve that you, you feel restrained back on. what? to be honest. yes. because so i would have thought that you have a lead to will not take salary, show you the best deed to work hard and to effect change of form and do what's best for the country. the strong, i guess, consumption an excessive to hold the support the nice and go from the results of
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the last by elections we have given, i mean be given the support, but i'm a big deal is not supporting, you know, in the anti corruption. yes. the us, when we the launches and the collections life to the very rich and famous the billing is, you'll find that many with his cronies and the political products, including the opposition using the slimy i p or the believe, but the whole defend. i'm a to me is hardly fine to have people talking about police, but i'm a c or a. so let me go. when they condone this squandering premiums on the public bus, i would have felt, i mean, the bottom they would easy was not necessarily full. but do you then go see to compromise because of you know, a belief finally in the wisdom of the mess. but our reform agenda
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