see, is the latest of comments and rulings by the international criminal court with respect to investigating genocide. the white house does not believe that there is a case of genocide to be investigated. they have been very clear. in fact, the us presidents saying what is happening is not genocide. they do not believe that this is something that is being committed by israel. i'm really thank you very much for that. that's all white house correspondent, kimberly help it live in washington dc. if you're going to go back to company later on, of course, over the next few hours, but we're going to take, you know, nations where the united states deputy invested it to the you wanna speaking that's wrong with words. let's listen in putting the lives which monitor and work is at risk as a work to stave off famine and provide life saving assistance. since the start of the war, sedan is become one of the most dangerous places in the world, freaking mandatory, and we mourn the loss of 2 i c r c staff in south dot for just this month. and we

fear what horrors lie had. if the parties plunged further into the spiral of death and destruction as we speak the r as f, as in massing troops and tightening it, c janelle flasher, and it's 1600000 residents. bring this, bringing the city to the brink of catastrophe. we urge the art stuff to pull back its forces and for all parties to take urgent steps to de escalate. this war is not getting enough of the world's attention and we need to end it now. so let me be clear. all parties to arm conflict in any part of our world must comply fully with their obligations. under international humanitarian law, civilians everywhere must be protected, humanitarian and un workers everywhere must be able to do their jobs. united states also wishes to come in switzerland for it skilful facilitation of this resolution. in particular,

we appreciate how the resolution captures the policy goals shared by all states promoting respect for international humanitarian law. while avoiding any suggestion that states have legal obligations to ensure that other states or parties to a conflict must respect itself. we also want to register our perspective that a few technical aspects should be improved and further iterations are the councils work relating to aisle. most states do not recognize it show the principle of precaution. united states understands our jail to contain a number of different rules requiring the taking of feasible precautions which are based on the fundamental iron show principle of proportionality. in addition, the language and the resolution regarding the prosecution of violations should be refined in light of states, practice and states, nuance, legal obligations in this area, which allow for the appropriate exercise of prosecutorial discretion. thank you

this present. so i think that the representative oh united states for the statement and i'll give you the flow to the representative or jump on. thank you. is the present chip on when it comes down to option with the diesel version on the prediction. but you humanitarian and you and, and the associated personnel which we course for search to find the pretty uh pretty shes sweets around speedo, she interrupting that is urgent. so we have been watching that everybody is taking place of and you have a security council. it is again. so is it a separate to what's been happening at the international court of justice in the hague? but it is related in that the resolution is on the protection of humanitarian who's and you when a person. now let's bring in a diplomatic editor, james base and james. so as you've been saying while would be watching the international court of justice proceedings today,

that we've also got this voice at the security council and no doubt me. we didn't hear the deputy us and best but edge of the united nation speak about gaza. he might have before we got to him, he was speaking about saddam, but he was also speaking about the need to protect civilians every way. i mean, no doubt gaza is something that has to come up during this votes because of the unprecedented number of un workers, humanitarian workers who've been killed in this conflict. yeah, this was a, a c mastic resolution is just passed through the security council talking about this, you say you and stuff and associated stuff, and the threats they face all over the world. and clearly either the number one example about anywhere in the world is the situation in gauze, at least when i spoke to you few minutes ago, i said we checked the numbers and it was a 193. you and workers. it now died since october, an unprecedented number $193.00 happens to be the same number as the member states of the united nation. so one un working for them to state will we check that thing

with you and they just go back to us. it's a $194.00, it's going up. so i mean, it just shows the green dental of you and stuff, and that's it. a would, is the deputy ambassador for the security council of the united states. and he was asked on the way into the security council about the international court of justice . a ruling is very, very strong ruling saying the cause, but the rough uh fences must be stopped immediately. the roof of crossing must be open. now he said he hadn't read it. yes and haven't seen it, which isn't likely that well, it's interesting the i'm a flash to live with my phone. if you fuck following out to 0 or any other major news organization, you see it straight away on your phone. suggest to me the us calibration, their response. a bus of the wood is a very experienced a diplomats. uh, but this is something that will be decided by the white house and the state department, how to respond. they're in a difficult position because the,

the ruling of the international court of justice, not just very much what the u. s. has been asking for, but it's a strong binding international law, a ruling and a puts is around in the hard place and diplomatically in the end when it's come to the us, as has israel's back at every twist and turn since october, the 7th times. thank you very much. that's how different medic editor james base. so now a reminder of our top story, the salad that you ins top court has ordered israel to immediately and it's military offensive and that off in southern gaza. it's also ordered these off of border crossing be open to allow an urgent need, a few monetary, an aide. so let's take a closer look at what the court has ruled as ordered as well to immediately hold it's military offensive in the alpha, and any other action in the southern gauze associate that causes destruction. it says israel must open figured off of border crossing for the provision of urgency

needed, basic services and humanitarian assistance. take effective measures to ensure fact, finding missions have unimpeded access to the gaza strip. and finally, the court wants as well to submit a report on all the meshes it's implemented read abroad a is a will cons process use and also of the book to catch dictates. and he's joining us live from new york. good to see you again. mr. brody, so we've mentioned the key points from the quote for reading. how do they compare to the previous provisional medicine measures that the court ordered not just in january, but also in march as well the i, c, j has i, st escalated is. it's orders in a way that responds to the escalating gravity of the situation and also to israel's failure to, to abide by previous rulings. so which of course they,

they don't actually save that part of it. but um, you know, the 1st ruling was very general. it was don't violate really more or less, don't violate the genocide convention. um the 2nd rule it was more specific in sure you mounted terry and a. um, this, uh, this decision is incredibly specific. um, you know, um uh huh. immediately fault is military offensive and the raffle governor right open, the rafa crossing open, the other crossings allow access to the international back binding emissions. i mean this, these are, this is as, as we've been saying, these are legally binding or just, but they're very specific. yeah. and i believe it leads israel and, and to support us with really, very little wiggle room. yeah, mister brody as

a whole cons prosecutor is that how important is that or to, you know, that states that as well and show the unimpeded access to gaza of any commission of inquiry. how important is that if the people of gaza ought to ever get justice for what's happened of the last 7 months as well? of course, the 1st step towards building a legal case is to gather evidence. and we saw that the i c. c prosecutor, on monday, actually requested indictments for prime minister netanyahu and other top is rarely in her mazda officials, any specified that, you know, a lot of this was based on the videos and social media. and of course, policy decisions and statements by, as rarely leaders and things like that. but in order to actually document crimes, you need to be ultimately on the ground. you need to interview eye witnesses.

um the the order by the, the, the request by the prosecutor earlier this week was very heavy on the issue as, as, as we expected, it is appropriate on the issue of starvation. because that was a overall policy issue that you could without being on the ground in gaza, you can document the denial of humanitarian assistance. you can document the policy by his rail. but in order, for instance, to look at whether a specific strike on a hospital, whether a specific military campaign has been this proportion, it has been indiscriminate. how have committed war crimes. yeah, you really need to note the fact. so you need to know whether we know what was the composition civilians versus military in

a particular place. obviously where you also need to know and that's where israel's non cooperation will always be a problem. or you need to know why the people who lost the campaign understood about situations, but basically being on the ground whether to document is that just a, i mean you've asked me as a prosecutor, so i'm talking about documenting rise. but you also want to document the the, the, the amount of terry this is joyce. it is very important to be on the ground is right. gov is not, i mean i'll just 0. it's not in gaza, but human rights active. yeah, i think it's saxophones. i'm not in gaza at the moment. yeah, i've been fortunately, we still have a team of correspondence and guys i will not in israel, but we do have a team of correspondence and gaza and we know that the various human rights organizations have been doing the best to document what's happening. but that cannot replace the work of this independent fact finding mission that the court has

now ordered as well, to allow on impeded access to gaza to mister brody. you mention what's happening at the international criminal course as well. and over the past week, just how much does this separate quotes, but can one influence what happens at the other? i think there's no doubt because uh, you know, the, the, the, i see is the, the fact that this court is found that israel essentially has a case to answer that there is a that there are plausible risk. see or a violation of the genocide convention in ops? the anti um you know, many of us never believed that the i c c prosecutor was going to cross that you know, imaginary rabbit. why that said that you will never indict and is railey official? i don't think, you know, at 33 i c c,

prosecutors to before and have not been willing to, to cross that red line. and i think that this one would have much preferred not to have to cross that red line. but when you have a, a cord, a state be, uh, accused and, and being adjudicated by the i c j for genocide and you've got complaints for work, right? it's very difficult to say i'm not moving forward again. i don't, i'm not, i'm not in in the, i'm not inside the prosecutor's head, but all of this creates a, uh, uh, an understanding of it. and it's a big, grim analogy. yeah. of israel's campaign. and, and do you think then, given the developments of the international court of justice and you know, you said that you never thought you would see the sort of action taken by the international criminal court because of imaginary red lines that have put there. do

you think that we are seeing something of a paradigm shift when it comes to as well, face and accountability for its actions? i do, i mean i think it is, there is one right spot in this very dark moment for the people of gaza and, and, and for the world it is that international law is stepping up that we are seeing the uh, the, the, the, the rest of the time that that imaginary line that protected it gave impunity for so many decades. israel's action, we have seen that line been crossed. it has been crossed at the international court of justice. it's been crossed at the international criminal court. it's being crossed around the world. and i think that itself is, you know, as a lawyer, as, as, as somebody who has, who, who is friends, who, who has worked on human rights issues around the world and who was always seen and

fell. and as you who has always deplored these israel exceptions to human rights bodies to human rights activities, to human rights investigations, i think this is a positive yes, that a long it's a positive development, even in this very, very dark situation. i. mr. brody, given all of the experience that you have just mentioned, how strong do you think the international criminal court? so um, from what we know of the arrest warrant seeking a rest warren's. how strong do you think cutting, con the chief, prosecute his case against communism is nothing. yahoo and defense minister you'll have gone to well, i have not seen. nobody has seen the actual warrant. the actual request for a warrant. so from what we've heard, we from what we've heard cutting, con mention. yeah, i would assume its very strong. i mean this is, uh, you know,

he built that team and he had that when he made that announcement, he had 2 people standing behind him. one was the former chief, british prosecutor, andrew kelly. the other was an american prosecutor on brenda hall as this is a strong team. he as he as it as known, he also can be a panel of largely western including a jewish is railey experts, a former a ted maron, who what used to be an advisor to the israeli government. um, to a, to, to review it. i would assume that he is on very strong ground here, but again, we don't know that, but yeah, these, these are, you know, that these, these are moments where the international justice, international law stepping up to the plate. and in a way that is unimpeachable. i mean, caring cause as

a british prosecutor came into office with the support of the united states, it would have presumed that that he was not going to take this time of action unless, obviously, unless he really had do the same thing with the international court of justice on this all the western churches voted for this uh for this for this order. yeah. including the uh, the us judge including the european judges. and now i think, um, you know, it's, this is a legally binding order. i would expect states to call an immediate meeting now of the security council to seek to enforce this decision and, and then the pressure will be on the united states to decide whether to exercise its veto and or whether it will hold a whole international law. as adjudicated by the world's highest additional body that the us as part of muster brody. thank you so much for your expertise on this.

i really appreciate it for now. that as blue cross product usa and also read brody live in new york. just to recap, the world court has ordered as well to immediately and some other treat offensive. and alpha and southern gaza. the international court of justice says as well as of actuation plans for civilian fair and sufficient. and the situation is disastrous. because consider that in conformity with the obligation under the genocide convention is that it must immediately hold. it's mindy to offense and any other action instead of a government which may inflict on you, but assuming a group and gaza conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in hold or influx. the quotes wishes to emphasize that'd be measured, indicated in paragraph 51 to a office or that of march 28th,

2024. the whiting, i quote, the, and the provision at scale by old concerns of urgently need the basic services and to maintain the system. and of course, mississippi space that is funding meant in open lead crossing phones. and in particular that off across bits, remind you that back in january that humans top court issued provisional measures against israel. it ordered as well to do everything possible to ensure its military does not commit possible acts of genocide and gaza. it said israel most prevented civilian deaths and protect palestinian lives and ordered israel to prevent and punish any incitement to commit genocide, to keep elder as political analyst and contributing it to the hearts newspaper. and he's joining us live from tennessee. mr. elder. thank you very much. for your time and for waiting patiently as we've covered all of these developments we've heard

from is where the finance minister best of those smart choice. who said that the state of israel is that will for its existence and those who to mom that as well. stop the whole demanding, it decrease itself to cease to exist. what do you make of that and how much does it reflect as really public opinion or not as well? i'm afraid that right now mister nathaniel is meeting with mister smart region. other members of his, in a cabinet and um, considering how they can use the server. lucian, which ends up sways the 3 countries decision to recognize the end of the $28.00 by a senior stain. and uh, the uh, what the rest of the range of the national code of criminal court and how they can use it in the victim goods campaigns, which they do best,

they will. and probably they succeed in doing this because right now it is not personal. and anyway, you know, and that i know is like the lady there full days, the dead some. wow. the stage is of the country is me. and uh, when the, the arrest warrants, uh well it should not issued yet by the prosecutors and decided to submit his request for the last one. he said they, all they do is you mr. levy or mr. go ahead on this is robin over each. all right, that they can band international community or what is a very popular these days. the whole world is against us. and here you have another proof and do use. and then that's the development of the international criminal court. the international court of justice when no way spain in ireland say that they are going to recognize the palestinian state. the legal and diplomatic

developments that we have been seeing recently. did i go on a support for nothing yahoo, who is so deleted? and i think that the we have to wait until the ultimatum that the, his partner from the left center left mr. guns put forward few days ago. if you remember n e is probably the empty dog. oh, for a smut ridge and bang via an inch in june 8th. and the, this ultimatum includes the condition, arrow, and the acceptance of the american proposal, which includes uh, uh, willingness to say that is what it will be ready to negotiate that through state solution. and to uh, receive in return normalization where it is how it, right. yeah. um. and this will also send the clear message to

the property next to the main stream is ready. um, but uh also waiting to receive the captives back. right. um and they, they, they keep waiting for this. so uh, this may be the turning point, not today. and the other thing is of course, what president biden, yes, was the site in march. he didn't use the veto power. and as long as the united states is behind as well, and is using the power in the international communities was all due respect, you under no way explained in ireland. the is a, uh, uh, looking at new york and washington. yeah, absolutely. and how do you expect, you know, new york and washington to process what's come out with the international court of justice, the ruling given that the quote is ordering is ro to do what the west as also

asking israel to do, will the us then support and the security council resolution that enforces the order or not supports it, even though it is what america itself is asking for, because it's seen as going against as well. yeah, and uh, also it comes with a price tag. uh, mister biden has uh, his own problems. if you look at the photos and um, the blanket is a very short. if he wants to cover an attorney out, legs the rotors will get cold feet when it comes to november, to uh, the balloting stations. so uh, this is part of uh, his domestic political domestics configuration. and i believe that uh, he was down to turn, you know, that he needs nothing else. needs to give him some interest. uh, for instance,

and the experts who a suggested, i know the 10, you know, i'm not sure how far he wouldn't go was it? but uh, he knows that what they say is that the only way to get away from this dilemma between choosing between biden and this. what great, yes is driving dogs an independent inquiry and uh, taking steps, i guess people who were breaking the international energy as well. you know, for instance, those people attached the drugs that were trying to the food and drug right. does that so exactly. so i used to has to do something with them telling me okay, mr. elder, we knows that, you know, since october the 7th from the significant yahoo has been caught between the bided administration and for the finance minister. smart for so are you saying?

yeah, so are you saying then, you know the extreme cod line is and has coalition. i you saying that carrying out something like an independent investigation to what israel has been doing that that's a way of pleasing both sides. yeah, i'm not sure if this wouldn't be enough. uh yeah, i just mentioned that the american proposal, the president biden may demand also that the was a lift surveys to the 2 state solution. and then he can bring on board the, the, how these to make them turn, you know, feel better. politically. would anyone believe that lip service, given we know what, nothing you all who stands has been against the 2 state solution for decades? would it mean anything? you know, i can to remind a view is that the, mr. the be the chairman of the organization said the few days ago. this is the 1st

time that nathaniel always not able to like to say 2 state solution because it, you know, the 1st of all, he climbed the very high tree when he promised you had talked to the victory in gaza and everybody knows that there is no such thing as the victory and the other thing is a mr. elder. i'm so sorry to interrupt you mr. elder. i'm really sorry to interrupt you. i believe i'm sure that we will hear from you again soon, but we have run out of time and this bulletin we thank you so much as always for your insights on this very important story. that is, harts columnist, akiva elder. joining us live from tennessee, as we called the of what's been happening at the international court of justice in the hague. the u. s. cool. the world's top court has ordered israel at south africa's request to hold its military operation in alpha, to allow unimpeded aid and to gaza. and to also allow an independent

investigative committee to look into what's been happening and gaza continuing coverage in just a few minutes. the in the center, i bet to do to interrogate

the narrative. there's no question about the united states is effectively complicit the genocide challenge. the rhetoric. yes. a unique the correct. but so is the international community upfront only without just here. the,

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