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visit the cost on the web presence. and remember, it's a copy, revise wells and increases systems. customer ridgecrest in spain, ireland and norway have all promised to recognize a palestinian state in the latest diplomatic glow to israel. what will this mark a significant shift in the west position, or is it as something upset a case of too little, too late? that conversation is coming up, but 1st, the international criminal court requested arrest warrants for leaders of both israel and from mass charging them with war crimes and crimes against humanity. the court has long been criticized for only going after lead us from the global self. so does this decision signal that it is now willing to prosecute western powers and their close allies will ask that question to the isis is 1st, chief prosecutor is weeks headliner, luis moreno a company. the

reason why i didn't know a couple thanks so much for joining me on upfront. know my friend in, in my bedroom, i'd like to discuss these issues. probably. absolutely. let's start with what happened on monday this past monday, the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court, kareem con. i said that he had requested arrest warrants for war crimes and crimes against humanity for is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and his really defense minister you'll have the lot, as well as 3 members of him as of these warrants against his rarely leaders would be the very 1st time. and if the icpc has ever indicted a close ally of western powers, tell me about the significance of something like this, the way it provide some signing the no make to the 2nd thing that was kind of had to do with the legal limits. and let me finish the process, the but the, basically the, what's collecting evidence. now he presented the i've been to the judges. so the

i'm of why will be decided by the judges not to proceed with the, the judge to come, decided not to do it. so you said process now that the 3 judges, one lady from romania, one from the name, one from france. they wouldn't debate that with the site. and they can be cited in the mom's like important case on a months. so that, that process, what are the arguments that has been made by israel and by the united states? it was the question of legitimacy and jurisdiction in particular, israel's not party to the i c, c. they say we don't recognize the authority of the i. c. c was signed. it has yet to be formally recognized as a state by the un. so there is not a you went to go, no, no, no, i'm sorry. my time was in my time by the time request to be our intervention for 3, and they were briefing me and that the and i said i'm talking to you another state . but after that of 12 and 20 twice, the un general assembly decide that by the time if they not the member of the un, but just state,

and therefore an incentive thing. by simply giving it they pass the organ joshua court. i'm friends with the one. the court accepted the 50 gigs which will be done in the pipe and territory, meaning gatzo westbank. i need to tell him that why the court has not using currently. if i have bob, how much gonna be the crime? standing in guys that went through, if i come back to guess that was even the hostages does, why that particular has jurisdiction on how much the crimes committed unless you've been committed by then. yeah, cool happening, gas stuff. any type of life. the basically the it doing that, so that was it not investigating things has happened in the fire. he probably within k, who kind of going to from got that on a or in got there isn't a risk for it is brandon of any country that's a signatory to the eyes. easy would have not just the right, but really an obligation. yes. to arrest. nothing yahoo to arrest you are the lar, if they ever set foot inside of their countries. that's it. yeah. who had an

interesting response to that reality when he was asked about potential travel concerns. he stated, i am not concerned about traveling. i'm not concerned at all about our status. the prosecutor should be worried about his status. so the 1st thing i wanna ask is, how likely is it in reality that nothing? yeah. who would be arrested when visiting a foreign country where they just do what they tend to have no issue decisions then the police implement them in the, in the us, if the police, if the i go on implement things, there's no real way to be i. so the judge isn't that just need the pin on states, right? and for instance, for is stuff i forgot to say to me through my shoes, you cannot come here, but then one day they accept it. okay, you can visit now because it's a big meeting. but then the south african judge's orders that raise unless you have to escape, he ran out right? yeah, right, right, the back door. so that's why, but the input, the,

the trying to go just off of after the got i'm to go the rest, seem even the lead. it said you can come, they the not because they, these are like to the galleries. so there's a batch of every by the, the issue of which is below that, and that's just about but event and then to profit. that's ok, which is more the problem for the situation. i look or you cannot. the c panel is using war, gem increase that nothing human right guy in general, increase the who conduct operations and everybody's done. i knew that he did better what he called, the insurgency mats. you'll kill your 10 terrorist. you kill 2. how many are the main 20, then minus to inquire 20. why? because some of the of the friend be contemporaries, but in fact, how much lead is, all of them are victims. are family who it for these plays, the how much lee they had kids killed. so all of them are also victims that

committed the crimes at the same time. so it's time to stop the revenge cycle that to protect the agency is offering an opportunity develop from more into just as the patient how much things are differently though. arrest warrants more requested for their leadership. yeah, we know. yeah, yeah. us and wire the leader in god. yeah, i'm honestly didn't guys, and my name is dave, who is the commander of the cuz i'm a big regardless of the military. we have for mass, and it's my of honey. i know who's the head of the from as a political bureau. yeah. they've been accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity. they've demanded the withdrawal of these allegations and they say that the icpc prosecutor was quote, equating the victim with the execution. or there's an argument is they have a right to armed resistance. yeah. but okay, go and the judges plain that go do that. yes. do you have this argument go to a judge is make the argument the pressing. it does not charging him to come forth

any show or to do with assistance. they charge then to go to his right. thank you for the 100 civilians and to, to run the hostages goodman kids. this noncombatant, so you are, you are, if you don't fight that, you cannot can civilians. so that's why if they'd be the one that, that's why they should go to the judges. if then the other way, because did by that we will make this and yeah, we'll also called uh, kareem khan. again, the prosecutor, one of the quote, rates answering semites in modern times and he likened him to judges and nazi germany who helped to enable the holocaust. was a pretty heavy accusations. what do you make of that? then you come on one of the 6 in the motion, a little advice. so he reviewing the evidence, is they have a few other mid on warning names instead of the was never and then they know that they would able comp, and he was a big and hard because i there, he came to the guys advice of these, right?

i'm the us, he's not on the music. he's a victim, he's in survival auto cause he say, these are perfect valid requirements to request. so come on, nothing but another thing that see the kinds of things that reference ability, what he did, he was there, this explains that you believe you're not providing them or they ask you to explain this. you can do that. and in fact, these, right, as they don't like they who go into the high to see the pressing google if i can stop these type any mitigation. if it is right, i think you'd, there's definitely mitigation that would stop the case, but have to be generally investigation. i don't know if there's a who is more afraid of it. he's right because it you're done or there's typically with the island. what do you think of? i am not sure is that my job is interpreted. i can't get into nothing. yeah. whose brain and figure out what he's afraid of your peers and not be afraid of much. he's afraid to come on. he's still getting the rough for the mountains of, of the, of the bread. yeah, but he is. but what is what he talks a tough. he says, look,

i'm not getting the rest of in fact, of the ice cream around the passage and worry about his bed if you want to prosecute when that happens right back when you a prosecutor, if nothing yahoo had said a couple needs to be worried about his status, not mine, but she said that by she said that all the time the but when they talk about you is because the i'm of the freight and the fact that he was very afraid and he's the 5 to go to days in jail. and i'll give them that to see, but he's in jail. yes. when you die the, you have a big problem that way. and if i yeah with what did about it and is what you're talking about the for the last month. if i mean, is there any more than so many, did you take a company while you're looking so much about that to see you don't care about that and see of course he cares. of course he gets okay, well the white house had some commentary about the icbc as well. uh. they say i see doesn't have jurisdiction. the conflict and the arrest warrant is outrages as we've already discussed. but in late april, a prior to these wants, a group of republican senators issued a threat to the i,

c. c. and specifically to the prosecute of green cross. there's what he said, he said target is real and we will target you if you move forward. we will move to end all american support for the i, c c section your employees and associates and bar, you and your families from the united states. you have been born new in the us, the beach present nixon to effect justice and they've been done on prompt for the site for all protecting, just double time. yeah. yeah. so is it us center going to affect the measurement draft? is that what they are doing that's gonna lead the world doing this like this are usually unfairly targeted and you don't have the jurisdiction, but the incentive can not national senate child. she's not back in the international court for doing something with the proper because the jurisdiction is provided by palestine. nobody's right. under the case they've come on us is

building a port in these in gas app because there is no more than a system coming from you. right. come a how that goes a good night. the problem i'd say, of course, is that go to crime hook. i have friends, international law professors from these right? everyone have to go nice. if you can not have to fight the stuff in the my, the, i see the what the food to guy side it this obviously the a crime, starving is a crime. it's a crime committed against our minions. is it kind of coming to always is a crime so they have to ignore the crimes. i'm pretending that probably is not the those who meet the crime, the front of the person who does that is a big mistake. do us gives billions of dollars to israel. we have from we have enabled israel in every way imaginable. money weapons a shielding them in for from account ability at the un. uh, is there a moment where the us will be deemed complicit? not just in the court of public opinion, but in an international legal binding. whether legally, yes, if,

if they so easily, the case is confirmed man, and these are crime committed to providing, waiting for the contributions of this crime could be a crime. but yeah, that could be a crime. so that could be something poor. then you're a veteran and an expert. how likely is it, do you think that the us, i think that i'm doing cases that bind is, you know, should be respected, not just by judges empathy. here those law should be patent, very respected by lead that's need it's gotten no set is okay to stop to many young people always. okay. how much go on came to you friday is now we have to stand for the victims. eventually victims biased. him victims used to have done for the, for the killers. you have a problem, that's why and then us ministers are making results because they don't, they, they don't see the function of this. how do you kind of drop crimes, how the us authorities? because that, that particular we think they think it then all be as cons. is it time to think,

you know, there are people who believe that obvious crimes should be investigated by the i c . c, just not obvious crimes in every country? earlier this week, a prosecutor con did an interview with cnn's christiane and for yeah. and he stated that i named senior leader told him that the ice and see was actually quote built for africa. and for thugs, like pretend, israel also urged quote, nations of the civilized world to oppose the icy seas request for arrest warrants. what do you make of statements like the, the idea that there's a dichotomy between the civilized world and the global cell? the idea of the i see some of those people over there not for us. and how that squares with the fact that this is the 1st time that a close ally of western power is being indicted to. whereas the lawyer for everyone

know, no one is of the low on the fact that stuff after the guy demanding also the case before the j showing. okay. the lawyer, he's not in the hands of us, the suffered god bless ceiling and the countries in the files come to mind rule because low. either way to put the, the low as a way to protect the weekend. if you have the web and you don't need to know, you need to know when you're on the web. once i've done, why it's so important to confirm. there's always important, i like why, like if the judges are from been in romania. okay. frenzy the so small, so yes, i just say it's a good experiment. easy to information. and these, the kids go to moment, not just for the volume for the students, for the what? louis berto a couple. thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you. the norway, ireland, and spain will formerly recognize an independent palestinian state on may 28th. the

coordinated announcement comes amid international outrage of the mounting death toll and the humanitarian crisis in guys of israel continues. it's a saw these countries hope others will follow in order to revive piece talks with formal recognition of a palestinian state has been unattainable for decades. so will this move actually make a difference? here to speak with us about the matter is marine or benny. he is co editor of jet aliya and previously senior middle east analyst and special adviser on israel palestine with the international crisis group mine the to see you up on been to do more than 140 countries already recognize a palestinian state that includes a few european countries, of course, but no major western powers, ireland, spain, and norway have long advocated for power, city, and state. so what is different now? what's the significance of this move from these countries at this moment? and i think it's significant in several respects. it's of course,

politically symbolic and i think it's certainly politically important in the context of and consistent is really position opposing genuine independence and genuine palestinian sovereignty over the occupied territories. but i think it's also significant in the sense that it's really too little too late on these 3 countries in addition to sweeter which recognize posting in the state of the few years ago, represent 4 out of 30 plus members of the european union and european economic area they've said they've taken this move in order to promote the 2 state of uh, settlement. now all the time to have done that would have been is either in the late 19 eighties when the policy needs for us, for clayton state boards, or at the very latest during the 19 ninety's,

when israel's relentless settlement expansion under the oslo agreement, it's made clear that unless it's rarely expansionism was resisted through political and practical measures, there could be no um 2 states settlement having waited until 2024 to do this again is in my view too little too late, particularly talk about the about the 2 little part 1st i get into late part right there in the eighty's and ninety's, who would've been a much more impactful choice. but when you say it's too little, isn't, is it to inductive to say that it's now just a symbolic measure, or is there an actual practical value to this recognition? well, i do think there is practical value, but what i meant by to little is if you know these western states, and not only those who have now recognized policy in the state, but, but also all the others who claimed to be in support of the 2 states settlement if

they genuinely believed that to be the case, then there should be all kinds of practical measures they should take, for example, banning settlement products on to the european market, which is the main factor of making is rarely settlements to legal is really settlements a viable economic proposition, you can have a to state settlement without ending the occupation. and unless they take forceful, practical measures to end the occupation then of steps such as we've seen yesterday will be made to appear to be symbolic level. and that's what i mean by it. being too little, when we think about the 2 state solution, as you pointed out, these 3 countries see this as a up on the way to that long standing, i'll say at least express goal, and i'm not always convinced that it's a real commitment as much as it is an articulated goal. many countries in the,

in many cards around the world and united states have expressed that same goal to stay in solution. but they say it can be achieved through other means it can't be done. now they need to be direct negotiations between israel and palestine. in order for that to happen. uh, the concern many people have myself included is we've been saying this for decades now, the oslo accords with the opportunity to get their eyes. you're pointed out all these different chords throughout time, whether it's a clinton accords, whatever it is, we keep trying to get there. there haven't been direct negotiations for 15 years between the 2 countries. so is this now the time for. busy or a new approach, you mean is the approach at least an alternative, an alternative to just kicking the ball down the field every year. thing to state solution with no negotiation. that, that certainly appears to be the case, especially when one party to the solution has the state of israel has demonstrated itself to be a new, rational genocidal apartheid state that has reached the point where it can no

longer distinguish between from the full that thinks every political challenge can be resolved with overwhelming force and violence, but i would just like to say it in response to your earlier correct interpretation of, of those who on the one hand claim to be in favor of a 2 state settlement. and at the same time, say it can only be achieved through by lateral. there's really posting and negotiations. what they're essentially saying is that a palestinian state and the unalienable rights of the past and in people to self determination can only be implemented on the basis of his really approval. in other words, the negotiations are intended to give israel the right to veto, over the establishment of a policy named state over the form of the past and in states and over the substance of such a state and to anyone who has been observing on this issue over the past decades,

it's clear as day light that is real simply has no intention to end the occupation . so when, on the one hand you give this unconditional support to isabel by making it's by making pulse and he writes, dependent on is really concerned then statements in support of the 2 states. settlement are really just performative and not more than smoke and mirrors . after the announcements, the u. s. again reiterated that it does not support unilateral recognition of a palestinian state and no surprise there a while. then you in general, assembly over womanly supports the palestinian state. the us unilaterally blocked a bid for, for you in membership earlier this year. this is all of this meaningless. this entire push for a palestinian state recognition is not meaningless. if the u. s. and other major powers won't change their longstanding policy. i wouldn't go so far as to

characterize it as meaningless. again, i think it's a politically significant in the sense that it demonstrates once again how thoroughly out of touch the united states is with the will of the international community. we often think of, of, of the west as providing leadership to the international community in the united states and particularly performing battle. i think what this crisis has demonstrated does that we're really dealing with 2 separate entities with an ever growing child in between the, the west leg by the united states on the one hand. and the international community representing the will of the vast majority of governments and states around the world on the other hand. and what the us is really saying is it doesn't want palestinian statehood unless and until is real, agrees to it. and in addition to us will exercise no pressure on israel to consent . how does israel's outrage play into this?

i mean, after the recognition of these 3 european states was announced, nothing. yahoo said that this was a move that rewards terrorism. other members of israel's hard line government, even people who don't like netanyahu, echo this intimate. historically, those kinds of statements, those types of claims have helped to mobilize support for israel in the global community. are we still in a moment where that's possible or has that train left the station? i think that train is left the station. i should, that i almost feel sympathy for these are, is real leaders in terms of the outrage that they have expressed. their problem is that they have enjoyed total impunity for so long on any issue relating to the post any. and they're used to getting their way and being coddled by the west in the united states, in particular on everything over the decades. that to them even the slightest challenge to their unilateralism and dealing with the palestinians is seen as an

affront against the entire state and its very existence. and i think that explains why, as you, as, as you noted, even is really leaders who are most opposed to the attorney who is a leader on stand shoulder to shoulder with them on this issue. just as a do with respect to the international court of justice. the international criminal court and really any other initiative on that suggests that there's going to be any challenge to israel's ability to deal with the palestinians on the use of lateral basis with western support with total impunity. right. and remind me, thank you so much for joining me on upfront. thank you very much for having me. right. everybody that is our show upfront. we'll be back next to the

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