the baby, yet, despite all of a community workers determined to provide refuge, long as the community say, not my problem is always going to happen. like one small town safe house. and with this documentary on that you just seeking to reshape us africa relations. president joe biden house can use william hotel for a state visit and declares the east african nation, a major non nato allies. so what's driving this effort to send some ties in what this can? yeah, and the african continent. santa game. this is inside store the hello and welcome to the program. i'm fully back people,

washington roll dot the red carpet. so kenya is president william brutal this week? the 2 countries i'm mocking 60 years of diplomatic relations and they're promising to strengthen those ties. starting with secuity corporation, president router reiterated his commitment to sending a 1000 police offices to help restore order in haiti. the visit is also important for broader us africa relations. washington appears to be playing catch up on the continent. china has invested heavily in infrastructure, in numerous african countries and russia as increase its military presence in west africa after a series of cruise in recent years. so can washington fulfill its new promises? and how could african countries benefit? we'll discuss all this with our panel of guests in just a moment, but for us this report from dimitri method income. it's the 1st official state visits by an african president to the white house since 2008 to can you target

washington is designating can you as a major non nato ally. it joins the ranks of israel, australia, capital, brazil, and 14 other states. with the honorary title comes the promise of people financial and military cooperation. that's a film of years. collaboration are joint checked counter chairs and operations of degraded isis, and l should bob cost, east africa mutual support to ukraine valley, the world a stand behind you on charter and our work together on haiti is helping pay the way to reduce instability and security president william russo has secured investment with a quarter of a $1000000000.00. washington will also assist in alleviating kenya's foreign debt. 2 thirds of which is owed to china, africa's biggest trading pot that we agreed on, the significant opportunity for the us to run, to kind of to recalibrate it,

strategy and spend. then it's support for applica discussed of the us african leadership summit by enhancing its investment in the institutions of public on integration and increasing support for peace and security. america's footprint on the continent has shrunk after a series of military coups in recent years. since seizing power and july 2023 jumped to lead as in these yeah, have ordered, 1st french, and then us troops to leave. you may actually call you have agreed that this withdrawal will end on the 15th of september 2024. at the latest. in the place, the generals have welcome to russian troops and stationed them after us base. after the wagon, a group of mass scenarios was incorporated into the armed forces last year. moscow is now openly increasing its influence in africa and was received a warm welcome in the chair where it's pledged to help fight and groups that is on

the terrace, the killing our soldiers. we've never seen a frenchman nor an american full on the battlefield. it's only them usually and who are dying. and then he said, and came up with africa increasingly critical of washington's unconditional support for israel and its war on guns. a president biden is trying to win back some points and share the belief in freedom, democracy, dignity in a call with a traditional song and dance team. it didn't go out to 0 for inside story, the, as well as now bringing our guests for today's show. stella. a guy is a governance and security analysts who specializes in youth development. she's joining us from nairobi, kenya in washington, dc, is david sion, a professor of international relations at george washington university. he's a former american ambassador to book in a fossil and a few of you and also,

and i will be naked them as mandate research of with the east africa peace and security governance program at the institute for security studies. i will welcome to all 3 of you. thank you very much for joining us on the inside story so that you can start with you. so the 1st state visit from an african and leader to the us since 2008, we moved to is being featured in washington, the role that the red carpet for him. how is this being viewed 1st in kenya? so i think that the reactions to, to this visit, they are kind of who, of course, i'll be focusing on some of the issues that have been trying to address with the government, including the need for those types and reduction of all the for, and jeeps. which our president has been doing the manual. they are canyons from view. that's the supposed to be just the whole district would mean the degree of living costs more debt. and so what do i be worried about that? and been how to do buckling,

own or digging or specifying that but then disclose the terms of people who are really and how big this kind of a partnership be. and so we'll do are looking to see what kind of changes would come out with this. what is the us between on both, on what a good you have to do in order to receive what they've given all of us. and then you can see at the other deal pointing to is how is this at a position to around this, the, the, the state or relationship with china. and i did meet that chain of custody itself in, in, in africa, shipping the investment for investing. yeah. as well, we have a need, but are we going to upset individuals attribute to maybe the us so the mix reactions for these right? well, and what else, deeper into some of the issues you raised there. and i also wanted to find out from you, stella, what canyon's i hoping that the president brings back when he returns. but let me bring in and by solution to the conversation. now i'm baset are designating kenya as a major, non nato ally, highly symbolic. but what does it mean practically?

they are many issues that are more important to african meat is like getting a permanent state on the un security council, or perhaps restructuring, global, global financial institutions. what will this, this designation change for kenya and for africa in general, as well the one tangible thing that it changes is to allow kenya to purchase certain kinds of military equipment from the united states. so it would not otherwise be possible. otherwise, it is primarily a symbolic measure, but it's only one of many measures that are being uh, taken during the course of this visit. i don't think it's the most important development in the visit so far. i think some of the economic issues are far more significant than this one. yeah, and one of the most important developments also being that kenya has again reiterated that he will send a 1000 strong police force to hate. i hate to use on president biden's agenda and bassett, a chin, but not on william rotate was why is

a us not committing troops when hated is in his backyard? well, the united states is committing a great deal to the funding of $300000000.00. so far, in order to support this multi national mission, which will be about $2500.00 troops and total or policeman, a 1000 of them coming from kenya. so the u. s. is you're correct, is not providing any forces, but it is providing a great deal of the funding. nick, a demons, 0 thoughts. what are the geopolitical ramification of kenya's decision to send these 1000 a police force? a police officer has to hate the uh, you know, all the way to the western hemisphere to help with the unrest it. and this is happening, as of course, there are crises on the african continent that kenya could be helping with is, is this a strategic move by kenya? what would it get out of this?

well, it's not just about the african tragedies that are inexperience, that can you able to assist, but also the questions are being raised to the level of insecurity team the country at the moment and questions so suggestively being asked about kenya is, who are the been sending these police forces to, to i, d or s. on the other hand, you find the countries experiencing a lot of the security in, in many parts of the country. so these are great, i don't even know that. so there is also a lot of concern amongst getting us on just about what kind of what i've done my desk, i'm quoting, but of course, um, why is it not? can you also focusing on its internal security, which is also a big problem at the moment? yeah, quite surprising stella to many people in kenya that the countries sending jo sold a way to a to win africa has no shortage of security needs to be met. is kenya during

the 5 men ministration spitting here to one of the biggest issues that have been brought to her on this is whether or not this is just being done as i'm going to be sure to receive resources and especially outside that examination. the best that it wasn't attached to these assignment very many kids who have had the many, many of the things that are on the safety of this whole piece of number 2 of the fact that we haven't even reached out to all that the issue of the police to citizens, you know, countries we've seen have others on policing needs. and yet me, they're not offering this kind of subsidies of room. there was to the training and capacity all the police officers coming from 10 to 2 or 5 of the sections that are glad he has addressed the attempts to address these to providing training to the police officers. at least a 100 of them went to the us for training in between november last year. and now and hopefully they have acquired the rights to the government. and also trying to

convince him that because bedroom from the re sport bedroom from american deployment full and those are drawn from a special oh patients, oh that they have the kind of skills that 100 flat piece 3 groups have been used, device terrorism to address extreme by that situation and so i do hope that the present situation. but then the question that kind of asking me is we have a b correct, where he's full, we have a v by the police, will that response to, to the rest, read the violence and kind of let me ask you, this is the attitude that is going to be brought into into light and whether it were watching get people excited of addiction mentor to the existence there. i haven't mentioned that there has been that you mean the in the, in the deployment because i've seen a lot of the things around the session last night that there was supposed to be around 200 bits of the ground as of yesterday. but the flight of the meeting was white. as i told the maid have not been mentioned. so fully those will be told, oh uh do you guys about why they have the different events and this condition of

virus or the, or the input for the printer or what to do with something else. and can you let us know what is happening? and this will be so bad condition along the way and most of which the government have attempted to address to the folks at that process, including the sending or by that sort of agreement with the, the government, the transitional, f, as they shall counseling hygiene. and by solution, what would the us be telling canyons? i mean, if it were in a position to do so, to, to reassure them that this, the police force that's being sent to haiti is needed and how important is kenya. and also africa to the us as national security outlook from kenya is very important to our american national security interest, primarily, and the point of a forgotten east africa. he is something of an exception and it is somewhat unusual to have a place go so far from, from africa to too heavy. but i should point out that the united states as also

engage in the horn of africa in support of both somalia and can you about the the else for bob terrorist organization. we have about 400 american troops in somalia. we have a military facility in, can you all of this is and trying to disrupt the officer, bob thread, which very much impacts can you on as well as somalia. so there is a security relationship that extends into the 100. i forgot east africa the right time because i'm part and for can you do to make a damage to your thoughts about what am, by solution said they, how important is the security relationship? as far as i can use, consent to kenya has always been close. the security i liked to the united states and these particular engagement between the us and the kenya is basically a very strategic one. very mean mind can. yeah. he's um,

they will just sort of get you put placed in that region that as of the intensity, very type of thing. done. median so so then uh so um, so do i need self? i so mind. yeah. and can you, how's oftentimes stay to a particular holy peace mediation, conflict resolution. but of course, there's also security threats and to in the north of especially as mentioned, including the territories and, and can you. i was also for the one that broncho steroids in my thoughts. and we started kind of canyon the united states. pop up really being pulled up, waiting on is just to the we had come back in violent extremism and tourism. so this particular cheap by present total and engagement with the us in prison, biden's is also false. the most security ties, especially bearing in mind that kenya is actually in august. it being very john, so he plays a vital role in terms of the just strategic engagement. so some,

some strong security ties that both countries are looking to strengthen. you say, nick, of them as a standard. what about on the business side of things? what do canyon's health present router will bring back when he returns from the st . the good news channels are definitely looking for to trade deals. that division, looking for 2 different kinds of investments in different sector. and there have been versus mentioning of a many successful call the seeking a position. do you know mean that then improve that they the economy from that to what has been happening the last couple of months. opinions are hoping that the kinds of investment that will be in get to detroit, we will give them some reprieve from the tax special that they have been experiencing. but the other thing that can has also looking for is to put to new, enjoying the kinds of stuff that they have enjoyed, even on the front of the region. you know, that couldn't have the to insure and training the region and the certificate for me . and it has also been vain voice for and some of the drug companies we did in the

last couple of years. and if you could get us, we'll be looking to see how would you rate your gain ground based on going on the different to and all the changes at that point where i dealt with this new position and to chat with patients. i think it has also pretty funny looking to see how best kind of me engage a in a model that is going to provide improvement in jobs when different people. so what to think of the present is going to be announcing what needs to be time. they're looking to see how those translates into jobs and disposable income in the pockets . so this gives us, okay. okay, so some very strong ties, as we've heard and, and by suppression, as you said, kenya very central to us off of good relations. and i'd like to broaden the discussion now if we can add a t 3 to us africa relations because there's been a bit of criticism of the by the administration present by didn't keep his promise to visit the continent during his 1st time. so is this visit by the kenyan

president to washington in the voting out of the red carpet for him? is that a way to make up for his lack of engagement with africa as well? i think that is part of the reason for this visit. i think it was, i'm fortunate that having said he would visit africa and in 2023. and that did not happen. i should point out that in some 24 cabinet level officials have visited africa during the bite and administration. but that still does not make up for presidential visit. i don't know if we, we should attach too much importance to a presidential visit, is what the substance is of the relationships between united states and each individual african country. that ultimately is going to be more important than a one time visit by the president. i don't want to go under state the importance of, of a presidential visit of either. there was also ambassador the us african leadership summit in 2022, which so a lot of african leaders travel to washington and

a number of promises were made then by the, by mid ministration, where they executed with those problems has followed through well, it's a, it's always difficult to to document exactly what happens after one of these on meetings. certainly i some of them, i'm sure, have not yet been implemented. others of i didn't have a lot of them depend upon the american private sector in terms of foreign direct investment in africa. and the degree to which those have been implemented. i frankly can't tell you the dollar amounts. my guess is that there have been some disappointments in that regard before and direct investment is dependent upon the american private sector. and if you can get them to engage, there's not a great deal the us government can do about it, except offer more incentives to engage, which i think the visit by our president rental is trying to do on washington right now. a nick, a demons. your thoughts about this?

how does this visit healthy us re engage with on for good? not just in terms of quantity perhaps, but in terms of of quality, what should be, what should washington be doing now to counter growing chinese influence as tele mention, but also russian influence on the african continent. i think that you should be a little bit worried about that they they, they didn't know. one of the diminishing in friends that it is having in the continent is envelop. paula, shortened them by china and the raj. end of the mean change was actually getting a little grounding. they continued, and they maybe twice the sessions. questionnaires, actually you'll find that he never told me to gauge or measure the level from the december incident it towards your subject because time it is such indicators such as the, the munition, all the fact that other major powers are catching up with africa. and another

example need, they will tell you to, you know, but i should look at this. i have, for instance, today is a little the travel in terms of us is inferencing that mean that, but to be what, but that's not good standing now for sure. the united states, as your new tribes, truly in case the continent. last year we saw their visit or vice president coming to iris and save or african countries. of course the secretary of state can, has been a numerous of easy to the continent. but of course of it comes also want to see tangible results in terms of the infrastructure in terms of health overreach. these particular treat by present thoughtful either a lot of maintenance and promises that i'm going towards. i know just have i could catch up climate change and both as a development teachers. so it is quite the welcome of a while to move about solution. let me just ask you about some of the challenges

that perhaps one of them the best catch is that the challenges that the us is facing in africa right now. and that is, you know, new share the last year change in nature of the relationship between washington any share. and we've had the pentagon confirm that the american chose, those left in asia will be withdrawing by september. how does america, how does a us balance security partnerships today in africa with democratic values? how does it make sure that it's not taken over by, by russia and china, on the continent? or you, you put your finger on or on a real dilemma for the united states, which does offer rate on the basis of different various human rights principles and support for the rule of law and, and democratization, a western style of democratization. so when you have in the saw hill origin, as we have recently seen military coalition, where in the case of new share and elected government has been overthrown,

that runs contrary to every time united states believes. and we even have laws on the books that prevent everything except humanitarian assistance to continue into such countries. so this is a dilemma for the us. so there's no question about it. i was simply pointing out so that when you have a country like russia stepping yeah. and then providing small numbers of troops, basically offering a praetorian guard to the new military leadership. i'm not convinced that this is a long term rice, a recipe for success for russia. in this part of africa, this is a part of the continent. it is have many cultures and things will change again some day and marble rush would be when that happens. yes. tell your thoughts about what them by so it shouldn't just sit in this dilemma, but the us is, is facing an african or i view this from a very different bus that team. i am very keen on the interest of african countries

on the, on the interest of self determination, biopic and countries and a lot of the african countries are kind of really thinking how they have been engaging in 3 different buttons. as i mentioned, this is happening at the same time when did a scramble for relationships, especially from the partners with the kind of the governments. and this is why the was fine and surgical because you're the district and you grapples like russia and in the and china, oftentimes the government, i'm looking for a friend in need, especially after the, the, the session. but for the, the, the call be back to me. and they also looking to, to, you know, provide survival assessing of the labels for the, for the citizens. so the telephone or the, the entity or the government, or they cannot break up who's going to negotiate. you know, lead that looks beneficial to african governments is actually going to gain feedback. so maybe that has

a strong everything into the and everything is up for grabs. obviously, the us part of frontier for the terms of relationships with different governments in africa. and so the are at the defense event. and of course we have an opportunity to, to improve some of this revisions and make them better or sent in the new finish that they had, which is what i think. and the who is attempting to do with, with kind of right now, and of course, and kind of digging into by the rushes doing it by the sort of them coming with different bodies. but of course, there's a lot more that goes into deciding who then becomes the who becomes and whatnot. and i believe that we must be careful even in this conversation, but not the wasteful, that just the african governments. why the also looking at what the interest of russia, china, the u, as in indiana play as one to come or vote in this conversation, nic condemns your thoughts. how do we balance the traces of everyone and how, which partnerships is most beneficial to african countries today is not just of

course china and russia, but we're also wishing to key the gc region express growing interest on the continent. how, which, which of these back partnerships is most beneficial to africa and african people not just in leadership. and how does africa balance these different interests? i will sure you will find that most of all these uh these different uh, global paws of different and digital men. the interest on one hand um the united states as they started come to be not good putting uh development, but not to the content. without a doubt. if you look at the eastern puddles of africa canyon, you've gotten to tons. i mean, in terms of health position and relate to dish has to do with my lariat. each of the aides climate change, they noticed this has to be an upgrade stop button, a little bit button. on the other hand, you have seen in the past to dig, gets the chains of come with a lot of funding, whether you find

a little infrastructure or told about projects, which again is it was welcome. and of course the other party. so, you know, you know, with no strings attached, but the, and we also see the rise of either made change, pause the talk you that also offering the development button a sheet in countries such as designing a building, railways and the like the diesel. so now the going button often good. how's different number all the development but not as individual. all these so big pause of a different day and i'm, it's all development assistance, right? a basset or a sion in washington dc. i'll give you the last word. what does the future hold for us on forget relations and what happens if come november? the by mid ministration is no longer in power. what happens if it trump administer a trump administration? is back in power in washington?

or might, the trump administration did not show a great deal of interest in africa? certainly the, the president president trump, himself, did not. the various parts of the bureaucracy remained very active on the continent . but i think that africa will do better with a, by an administration in the future that it will with an a, another trump administration. thank you very much. thank you to all 3 of you for a great conversation. make a demo as monday, stella a gara and david sion thank you and thank you as well for watching. you can always watch this program again any time by visiting our website at all, just sierra dot com for further discussion. go to our facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash a j inside story. and of course you can join the conversation on x i'll handle. is that a great insight story from me for the back to the whole team? hearing doha, thank you for watching bye. for now, the

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