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hello and welcome to the program. i'm for the back people. the international court of justice has ordered his route to stop. it's a sold on rafa. the order is one of 3 issued by the un top court in the genocide case, brought by south africa against israel, over its war on guys. israel has long declared it plans to intensify its assault on the southern city, saying it's necessary to dismantle from us. and it appears advance to follow through with that strategy. the i, c, j is readings of final and legally binding, but it doesn't have a way to enforce them. so, does this play to sort of carry any weight and will it affect events on the ground? and how will prime and as soon as now 9 h increase, pressure at home and abroad, would explore these questions. what i guess and just a moment. but for us this report by continental past already on the it's a significant move for the us top court. a landmark emergency ruling ordering is

relative. stop. it's assault on rafa. is it, it must immediately hold its media to open and any other accident and did also have governors which made conflict on the, by the city of the group and gaza conditions of life that would bring about its physical destruction in hold or input bought shortly after the international court of justice issued its ruling is really forces intensifying their attacks, wiping out entire neighborhood. the ruling is part of a wider legal case that began with south africa, accusing israel of genocide and gaza. many palestinians don't any of the court's orders will change things or stop the government of as really prime minister benjamin netanyahu from moving forward with the offensive man. i know if i hype is rel, will comply, but it hasn't cared about quotes, rulings, or even its allies in the past. so it was the middle of the image of user able to

continue the massacres is why it is a state above the lock and no one could stop it. as part of the ruling, israel was ordered to reopen the roof of border crossing and allow aid into gaza. famine is already asserting parts of the north and the world health organization says it can spread across the strip fast. that is really, officials have condemned the i c j's ruling. the government says it's defending itself and fighting home us and some is release agree. the fact that they're even having this conversation is quite ludicrous, to be honest. i think said we have women, young women, we have men, we have elderly individuals that have been taken hostage. and while israel is a signatory to the geneva conventions, the i, c. j has no means to enforce its orders. many analysts now question whether the ruling like other legal motions will be dismissed by israel. and if so,

if there will be consequences. states can choose to take counter measures against other states. a non violent counter measures would include things like economic sanctions, for example, in order to induce enforcement. all of that depends obviously on the political will in the situation for now, palestinians and gus a must point to see if the i, c, j is court. orders will extend beyond words, katia lopez. so again, alj a 0 for insights story the while as now bringing our guess for today show joining us in ocoee bodies through slim is mohammed dilate, who's a lawyer and a founder of an east jerusalem law firm. that practices in the is really in policy and legal systems. and kind of these ireland, d, l, a form is really diplomat who served as, as rise and boss that are to south africa. and in london, william sure boss. he's an international law expert and a professor at middlesex university german thank you for joining us on inside. so

a will welcome to all of you. how to ha, i can start with you a legally binding order from the international court of justice for israel to stop as offensive on a rafa. are you at all hopeful these release will heat this call at some point in time so far? it doesn't seem to be the case. yeah, it hasn't been the case, but i think the z, the z to government cannot continue to ignore international law. in this case, a specific international court order. this is a clear order of this time i need to fill out a specific area of the area. and i think that this time it was uh eh, one of the orders that i just ordered by the i c. c. also waiting for the hold on god. i think the government will think twice this time when they beside the home, there are future actions in dropbox. so it's not,

i think it is biting. it hasn't been following international law in the past, but i think with this kind of door, the big, where are they? they will they want to treat it in a different rate? i don't think of as a golf can continue to violate international law can continue and not to comply with orders issued by the international court of justice, the highest court in the world and get away with it. i think this time they know that the time has come for his and really to comply with this or those i'm the to comply with the international law. and if they don't do so, then that is fair. the rest once for the 2 gentlemen that you spoke about and maybe how does that risk is, is getting higher and higher. okay, alan neil, your thoughts? well, let's narrow completely know this order will be, is ready. government continue to defy the highest court of international law. is

the interpretation is the friend. at least writing government has seized the order as to so the bottle is once. oh this is the damage. possibly the us, the most, the day, the angel casualties off the radio and the wall in the a, the, and the addition a leave very portions. especially want to see a yes a but i don't think is the best way to a welcome to the maybe they have policies where to go. so he's getting these folders go there. you want to security johnson for vote and will lead to another american the don't the new procedure waste out. okay,

i'll ask you a little bit more about what we can expect of the un security council in a moment. let me bring in william somebody's into the conversation. william allen leo says there is or in israel that there's a very different interpretation of this law. but as that mohammed douglas said it's, it's a very clear order this time from the international court of justice, a very specific routing on like the 2 previous ones. the court is ordering is around to stop the spit, the military operation in rough. i to allow humanitarian agent through rafa and now the crossings, how much weight does this rolling carry despite israel, ignoring previous rulings of the court? well, i totally agree. i think it's a really, and the order from the court couldn't be much clearer than it is. and the, the idea of the israel can interpret this in some way that allows it to continue with its military offensive. is quite a deposit or something. i think the whole world will see that of. busy it's,

it's clear now that is real, doesn't the intent to comply with whatever whatever contrived interpretation to develop some of the order and as, as everyone knows that. ready is not an enforcement mechanism as such as the and so what's the purpose then of these measurements, wendy? i'm sure boss if they're going to be ignored. but you don't know that they're going to be ignored until you order them. and i think that's the most countries have been on the receiving end of these orders historically they don't comply with them. and so software for guy has no alternative if it has to go to the court to get the orders. and then hopefully political pressure will be put on israel to get it to comply. already we're seeing the consequences on israel with many of its allies and friends. many of the countries that have been very supportive in front of the day is real, are losing their taste for this. partly because they also value and, and respect the international court of justice. they can't stomach,

israel's attitude of absolute disdain. for an order by a cord is real accepted as israel never had to ratify the genocide convention. but once it did it open the door to orders from the international court of justice. and it is, it is obliged to respect them. i don't know how does this row continue to justify rejecting these orders from the international court of justice? is israel above the law? oh, i explained how is that adjust the 5? is it a, takes the extra may in the plate and saw a box. the headlines in the world are the, all that is the sheet in roswell, and this one created this. we create a mostly this is i'm add some weight probably in anyone's there some weight by the 20, i know the this international justice or the extent of the owners.

oh, you love this place, zillow. things happening now. it is wise for relations. the palsy. lovely. call here see mommy pointed to the so now me and these are as to why the agent, the knows being sold in more no bonds of the world especially. you know, you see this very important to us. yeah, certainly, allen, this has been a bad week for israel hopkins. certain guy is really is about this growing international pressure in this growing international i sedation. it's not just displayed to swing by the international court of justice. it's also the i c. c, seeking to issue arrest warrants against is really leaders and also have my feet is and some very important europe and countries, as you mentioned, who are now demanding that an independent palestinian state be established. how does this resonate with these really probably good launch in the

sense a unfortunately, the visual was the way that most of these are in the body. but no matter what we do that, well, i wouldn't be against us as well as by the issue. i'm just very big. so there is a tendency to overdue what's happening in the international. we want to gauge on the amenities. why it is? i really, really worried that a fact that we have the hallmark and we so what are this is the, is the in the body how we don't want, maybe he does the side points on his own is probably that some is the say, the way others are pushing well they, me the way, the side. yeah. alright. a mom at the, you know,

foster by the side in the l says there a different interpretation of the slate is really by israel and the israel views these decisions made at the international level as anti semitic. what do you make of this? what i think, or as you know, is that it has sent to a judge adult, the judge in the buck who is part of the international court justice. and i think now does that just trying a basically to base it's case on has the same thing. my opinion, a mental opinion he tied to say that actually the international court of justice is not at all very uh to the fries of the military conference in the for in dropbox. but actually it, it does so with 50 provisions about this. they are mit events such as the show stopped well, but it should. but if there's a button and click this. busy print to go and damage to the scene,

have invested in population, then the outpatient can continue. so that, that explicit explanation got there, but in his opinion, and when did you, i made sure that what do you actually present it to the is there any government that as the that the general basically didn't advise to the army yet? the leading the decision of the few judges in the court. they say that actually there is no way to the open, involve it without inflicting this damage on disobedient population. they mention what is that it has tried to do with the hundreds, but a senior vector. we could probably about 5 more senior, you have other areas of the, the 4th phase and it's ruling that those areas are not adequate for the happy vision. people can as soon as this, there are no houses, no water, no sewage, nothing. therefore, the end of provision given by this really is i think,

will not be accepted by anybody in the world. but that's the, that's how is the, the older side is that it has its own interpretation for international law including the mass and human very. busy and that was the only really interpretation of is different from what the lord and scholars think about. and the last thing you might know a briefly mom, a dialog before i bring up with him a back into the conversation. the routing also says israel has to allow you and investigators into guys to, to investigate the genocide case. right. what's the likelihood of that happening, of israel allowing investigators into the territory it hasn't the best. so the, you have the quality permissions to where they. busy supposed to come to the scene of the past based on the front of his illusions of the machine, the general assembly, the human rights, the. busy towns to or other committees and is a in the past as being corporate there. and this time i don't think it's going to

be any different, is a, this is actually the show the case of gaza. gaza has deemed to seize a god, but it's been on the very need for the control from the feet, from the air. i'm from the board. does that the borders? no, i'm come into the guy zoned up and really trying to make the z to consent. and design is the only one who decides gums and goes out, does not bid for it. i think another thing is will not allow that. the investigators to come in. so why we haven't been able to maybe get him getting on the the general guys seat was my favorite, the guys i only been shut off at that point, but you will not be able to get it to be inside. does that? does it have been really good but seen inside his break, but he wasn't able to get inside the door. you got the information from other you i'm agencies but anything in progress that is that the different story. and so

there's likely to have all the time in the, in that unlikely has happened. then william will a defiance of disorder. my understanding is that uh, there is no immediate sanction for violating the provisional orders issued by the international court of justice. but does the voiding, have broader implications for the genocide case that as well as facing well, in principle it doesn't. it's a preliminary ruling about an urgent situation and it's without prejudice, as we lawyers say to the merits of the case. but clearly the attitude and the violence it's we, we can sense the attitude of the judges already. i think israel's approach in reading this order in this very technical matter. ready suggesting that somehow it allows them to continue with businesses huge. ready is really not a reading in good faith. you have to read the judgements. you have to mean what the

other members of the court upside and their individual opinions and $0.01 that this is a part that is getting more angry or angry or, and, and more and more impatient with israel. so israel's not heading into a good place in this case. of course there's going to be a great debate when this finally goes on the merits. but it's not, it's not working, but for israel in terms of its future at the international court of justice. what about of the international criminal court, while in defiance of this order by israel affect the pre trial chamber of the i, c. c, which is currently debating whether to issue arrest, warrants against is really need is technically, of course the, because it has most of the, the 2 are not directly related in any way. but again, what we can see here, listen, there are 13 judges of the court from all over the world, from countries that are friendly, the israel, as well as countries that are perhaps less from the day is real. and they're unanimous about this. we can expect the same kind of sentiment,

the same kind of move amongst the 3 judges at the pre trial chamber of the international criminal court to we're going to have to rule in the coming weeks on the prosecutors application for the arrest warrants. of course, we can't foresee what they'll decide, but this sets the tone and i think we, we can anticipate that those are restaurants will be issued. and they're all kinds of other sort of soft effects of this to go outside the legal sphere altogether. and we've made reference to them already, the fact that there's an increasing number of rolling momentum upstaged to recognize palestine as a state, and probably open the door still the united states as an obstacle, but it's the last only the last obstacle admitting tell us it's a full member state of the united nations. right. and mom, it'll ask you about about this, the us being this obstacle, but let me just, uh, get out of the else thoughts about what william said there. i mean,

what happens all and if these arrest warrants are issued, israel's credibility has radically diminished within the course of this war. and guys are, there's a shifting perception today in the world of israel as a law abiding democracy. what would it mean for his route to lose that status and to be treated as a non democracy? oh, as far as i remember a wow, how do i plan the full categories, members of the international equipment of. ready the store risk and i'm finding out when we got our and we have sold for the fast info on this issue. so this definitely is why the boss man, then why the dog or a phone relations is one of the way dr. dore it under my j legally. this is to bring my,

the status of the most about even spoilers wouldn't be an issue because the united states is not a member of the i c, c, this stage on all the discussion. the issue is the why is because my race just to join the call, somebody called me this is a, this been the be seen. but as of this, the joint, the gospel cannot points to a discussion. and this is josie golf. to be very difficult. the stage to hold a gas, they all the, all the justice. so in the way, we are a gauging the situation with the united states. if it was to get the list of june because of some way that is great. unpaid and

embarrassing noise. i'm embarrassing to israel, i'm at the only the security council has the power to enforce these holdings by the international court of justice. but as we've heard from both william and alan bill, that it's likely that the, the us will veto any moves at the security council. so what then should be done to enforce these warnings and, and how difficult a position does this. but the us and i mean the fact is, well, throw in throughout this conflict. how difficult would it be for them if this gets to the security council? i think it puts that states in a very difficult position. i mean, for how long can they, they tell us to use the veto, to destroy as a, from its robbins and from the troubling that they are putting the united states in as well as well, not their cable guy says, you know, we are very busy. these are asking by guy us, that'd be sufficient to do to the eyes to see the apartment general down to the

judges and to the. busy and please advise and see if the one been to sanction for port. we haven't him such a thing over. i mean, asking the super power to sanction and international board for issuing more for issuing a motion only for the time being a blast for on this one. for the war terminals, this is, i mean i'm, i'm headed off, i'm think of a lot, but now we're moving to the i c. c advice and see is i ordered a variety of nations. i'm the audit states as part of the. busy the about the, it's part of the i c. c. it's property behind admissions. i like the, it's only, it's 5 by c, j thailand to all right. yes. the west, which there i'd say it is not part of it. it's not part of the role that you go to the united states in a buddy open position there and, and basically saying that. busy this uh you have a water border that pre established after the 2nd one more, which includes uh you, i'm trying to do anything to the international court of justice. and so many other

. busy international governments and conventions and agreement, stuff i was supposed to do late relations between people is between countries, between states. but those are actually not applicable and that gets to prison. okay . the space has been under try you to buy this man for its treatments. if those can describe the conflict, not, not only but the use, right. and now it's really a very, very bad position if it continues to use that to people because it's going to be clear for, of the community that this move is against international law. and that gives intern . okay, so let me get williams thoughts about this william. how much does this heightened the costs for the bottom administration as it continues to be israel, so guarantor and defend, and what are the next steps? as far as international know is concerned, i mean, they, what are the obligations of 3rd states in this case?

you know, why wouldn't underestimate the ability of the united states to be hypocritical on new subjects the united states has been kingly, supporting the international criminal part. when that's investigating the russians in ukraine, despite the fact that the end of the part has no jurisdiction over people who weren't citizens of the members state. now of course, they're raising that objection and they're going to be a trying to take measures apparently to block the work of the court stop the 1st time they've done it. they tried back in 2002 when it looked like the rome statute was born, the injured entering, the forest, which it did, of course. and then they try it on the trumpet ministration. but these are really quite pathetic efforts that had no teeth for them. and in reality, they have very little it in the way of practical consequences. and, and i don't see that they've brought up anything bringing them since then that could actually inflict pain. that's annoyance. it's right, annoyance disgraceful that they're doing it, but it's not going to stop the international. ready criminal court proceeding with

what, what it's set up to do. okay. and yeah, is there any, is there any government likely to re evaluate its position in the face of intensifying international pressure and intensifying isolation? this is the question because i am, i don't know if this way to continue, but if it is both goals that i see and i see j waiting go with directions. if the security costs are when go all the way you are being compromised, to recognize bias on, if it will end up with the n as in don nosebleed to inc. and that is the, the junction if we do well on our international

standing there for some of our security, or if we go off the 100 percent security dash because the pressure of the user name and the sign is below. now the way, thank you gentlemen, for a very interesting conversation. thank you very much for joining us mohammed dia allen leo williams to boss. thank you to all 3 of you and thank you too for watching. you can always watch this program again, any time by visiting our website at all, jessie or dot com for further discussion. go to on facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. and of course you can join the conversation on x. i'll handle is that a j inside story for me, for the back to boy in the whole team here in deluxe. thank you for watching bye. for now, the

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