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is that recognition actually mean? let's get to the bottom line in reaction to israel's breeding more on gaza, 3 more european countries have declared their intent to recognize palestine as a state. the coordinated moved by ireland by spain in norway has the potential of further isolate israel and the world stage, especially after the international criminal court. prosecutor applied for a risk warrant to be issued against is really and how most leaders on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity. but amid the shake up and global priorities sparked by the war on gaza, us policy on israel remains unmoved. the by the administration has been repeating the same talk about the need for cease fire and a 2 state solution. in theory, all while vetoing, sees buyers opposing recognition of a palestinian state and doubling down on support for israel's war. so how much is the talk of a 2 state solution?

just lip service. today we're talking with you guys. he said a senior fellow at the carnegie middle east center in b route and he's author of armed struggle and the search for state. uh yes, he thank you so much for joining us today. let me just start with the news. uh, the international court of justice has come out and essentially ordered is real just to spend its operations in rafa and open up uh borders. uh so that that aide and people can flow. i'd love to get your take on how serious this order is and what it accomplishes. if anything, as well. i think the order from the international court of justice is very significant. it's on big us. and it to, you know, basically requires israel to see us. it's combat operations inside rough uh, in the gaza strip. now whether that will take place depends almost entirely on whether the bite and destruction seeks to give teeth to this resolution or to this judgment. i'm to try and put meaningful pressure on use, ready to government,

to scale down his operations if not to hold them entirely. and of course, what we've seen so far from the bottom and restriction has been to us because we have basically to try to minimize civilian casualties. tooth paste its operations in rough rather than to stop them or not to launch them a tall. and i doubt that at this point, the button is administrator is willing to put his role under that kind of demand to that kind of pressure. however, this is going to get more and more embarrassing for the buy and ministration. well, with the international criminal court, issuing of an application for arrest warrants against is really leaders alongside him as leaders. just about a week ago, the, the i c j's previous ruling earlier this year, requiring is to be able to demonstrate within one month, the measure. it's measures it's taking to reduce and minimize the civilian loss of

life in gaza, which my understanding is, hasn't happened of. so i think it's, it's, it's a situation where the vitamins administration faces nearly 6 months more before the presidential elections with this kind of diplomatic pressure is going to keep her out, shooting up and making it every more embarrassing for us both to pursue foreign policy objectives for instance, in ukraine where to seek support from other countries or domestically where the job i the risk of losing more votes among our of americans, black americans and young americans. so you know, the pressure just going to keep building up. and i think that's what this really tells us. i'm glad you mentioned ukraine, because the international court of justice also issued an order for russia to see cis invasion of ukraine. what does it mean when the i c, j has come out and basically wait in against israel's actions weighed in against russia's actions. and the united states is on one side of that equation in the

ukraine, russia conflict. but it seemingly mostly on the other side, within these really gods and conflict. what does that do to the american brand when it comes to human rights? when it comes to international behavioral norms? i'm just interested in how the rest of the world sees us right now. as well, i think it's clear that the united states has both suffered immense damage to its reputation in terms of it's, it's, you know, upholding of the international monitoring system, the liberal rules based order. and it's also, you know, helped inflict direct damage on the order. i think the case in point here that that's the most graphic is the american response. the officials, us response to the international criminal court issuing of its application for arrest warrants, where the line being taken by the president and by secretary states, often they've been, can, has been that the court has no jurisdiction. and yet this is the same court that

the us happily endorsed when uh, that court issued uh, similar uh, warrants related to the russian president vladimir putin. so the us comes out here in basically completely contradicting itself. having said, in one case, the court has jurisdiction on these kinds of fairs, but then turning around and saying the court has no jurisdiction. i mean this is a total contradiction. and so what is huge, really unfortunate here. it's really tragic is that at the time when right wing forces are on the rise around the world, we've got a mode in india. so you can basically to disenfranchise 200000000. listen, citizens of india through the rise of the right wing the i 50 and other more extreme parties in germany. the prospect of a right wing nationalist, the president in france in a couple of years and so on. at this time, the us i've missed ration has been put in

a position that was also planning along with the situation where it is doing direct damage to the order that we will need to hold onto another thing. this is a huge tragedy. it may be unfortunate that all this has happened at this moment in time, but i think the button administration is making a lot of fundamentally problematic decisions. and we're all going to pay the price . i mean, that's the other iron in the tragedy. it's not only the usa that will pay a price or the bite and ministration of the democratic party. it's all of us. let me play a clip for you from present inviting speech and graduation ceremony at morehouse college and which i think he tries to articulate at least some stance towards this real, gaza in this conflict. would love to get your views. list, listen is the question is, and you see what's going on is of the day. what after, what after loss,

what happens? what happens a god, what writes with the policy and the why. i'm working to make sure we finally get a 2 state solution. the only solution now the president present finding does not ask when does he is really occupation and, but i love to get your unfiltered views of president biden's comments as well. that comment i think is fine and articulating. i mean, referring to palestinians as people with rights. i'm reiterating the commitment to a 2 state solution. i think these are core principles of core policy planks. the problem is both for this us administration and pretty much all the previous ones is that there's never been action on the ground that helps insure these outcomes. instead, there's been an abdication of time. when is the successive is really governments

both of the labor party and not just of is a good or as far right allies who are in power today. bullies is ready to governments have pursued the supplement enterprise within the west bank abuse tourism. and previously until 2005 and in the gaza strip itself. and so reality on the ground has been changed daily by every single israeli government for the last, nearly 4 to 50 years. and every us administration in that period, whether republican or democrat, has failed to force israel to negotiate on the base of the state, disclose the state of school has been changed daily. so what i'm referring to that long history simply to say that for president biden, to come back and reiterate broad principles is sort of motherhood and apple pie. we all loved both principals. but unless the us,

this us administration is going to back up this policy position with meaningful consequences, i don't mean punishment for israel. i simply mean that these really electorate has had the luxury for at least 2 and a half decades. so far of being able to enjoy prosperity, growth, security, full american support, and that's all fine. but to do so, and at the same time the colonize more and more land that is supposedly going to be part of a future palestinian state. the president biden says he wants to see, come into being and you know, just as he is very public, the electorate comes, have it both ways and must understand that it has, it has choices to make us present. it also has to make choices need kind of go on setting us, you know, beautiful words with no prospect of achieving them. so i'd like to sort of take us to something further,

we've heard in recent days from the secretary of state lincoln from various western diplomats are from us and others that this us administration is discussing with his allies and friends, including in the region the deployment of an arrow board international peacekeeping force to guys and to form an entry and administration there until unacceptable palestinian entity can take over the governing daily life in the gaza strip. now, just just think of that. it sounds great, but there's no unless there's a connection to an end result, specifically palestinian independence statehood which also includes the west bank where we've had daily violence since the 7 of october. where is very soldiers under arms, settlers of code, nearly 500 by the stands. unless by them presents his sort of n g o. his vision that says

a palestinian state in the west bank and gaza. this has to come into being through the following means. you know, within the following timeframe, then all this is, is you know pious words that sound good, that may be as sincere about, but without a complete roadmap. then what he's doing is setting the stage for future violence because any peacekeeping troops, he sends into guys a, are dealing with a population that has been brutalized, abused whoever, by and with no hope of independence and sovereignty. then they are going to turn on those peacekeepers just as they've turned on is really occupational forces in the west bank. it's inevitable. and so for the bottom and the ministration to be trying to set the stage for sunday, other arbor to national troops into guys a is walking them into a trap. it can't keep having things both ways. it's got to step up to the plate and face up to the fact that benjamin netanyahu and his father right allies,

will never be partners for bees. none of the about us thing has been all over the united states, either. he's just got to bite the bullet and deal with it. are all of those proposals essentially dependent upon a fundamental break with is really fine dish, and netanyahu, and those elements within his government that have been advocating the actions in gaza. and i think the us should learn from up some european countries are doing right now. and trying to turn that into a strategy laid out as a roadmap because he is really is to need to confront the fact that they cannot for ever subjugate at least 5000000 palestinians in the west bank, east jerusalem, and gaza strip that alone. the 2000000, but a senior citizens of israel to effectively are 2nd class citizens. you know, this cannot go on forever. my family became refugees in 1948 that's getting on for 8 years ago. the rest of what used to be monday at palestine historic by this time

came under direct is read, occupation 1967 as 57 years ago. and you know, we still got the sort of line from the vitamin the station i read just again today that the i, c, c, r i, c, j. resolutions are a hindrance to negotiations about a ceasefire. what ceasefire were 8 months into this war. the 1st weeks of which the us refused any talk of cease fire and with various politicians in the us and elsewhere regarded talk of ceasefire as pondering to terrorists as suddenly we have to worry about us negotiations about a ceasefire. uh, you know i, i look forward to negotiate or i sat down with my is really counterparts back in the 1990 isn't until the early 2 thousands and you know, we were way ahead of this kind of rhetoric and i think that by ministration. yes. again, as to, you know, face up to what, talking about a 2 state solution in palestinian rights means completely,

you guys have to look at a roadmap for this, you know, st. could you take us a step further on the recognition plans by spain or way in ireland and there are other states have indicated that they would be interested in even in europe as well, of moving along those lines malta and others. what is the, the tangible effective that you think, both in the world of, of public opinion, but also technically because what i'm hearing you say, it's very interesting is that the peace process industry has bitten in effective in co way, not a team results. and so now by outlining recognition, which, you know, i read it the other day, you can't withdraw that, that's now a permanent fixture of those nations in their relations with israel and palestine. i'm just interested in how you see it really affects the terrain as well for now and for the, for the foreseeable future recognition of about a student of the a palestinian state, i will remain symbolic, although, hugely important because these european countries are doing what many people have

called for, for a long time, which is to inject of what we used to call the peace process to inject hope for a peaceful outcome to these really by the standing conflict, to inject all this with new hope and with new energy. and i think that the politics of this are hugely important. it is important at this time to counter this or to what i think of as a right wing rise across europe, where i run a game. some of the people who are most supportive of this is really government far right as it is. are of course the far right and you're one of the nothing, you know, as close as bodies in europe is done, gary and leader the, to her band who, you know, isn't on to see my son like so it's quite an extraordinary alliance of right wing with right wing between israel and, and parts of europe. so at this time for other european governments to stand up and be counted on. so you know, we believe in fighting on to semitism,

we believe in our friendship with israel. and we also believe in no less measure in the rights of palestinians to self determination and to live in security and dignity. and it's an equal, right? no less, no more. and out of his where he's be this jewish or non jewish, or anyone else. i think to say that at this time where you know, where the world is going to a pretty dark future, i believe, i think that is important. and it does give hope to people including insight as to be able to kind of is really so today are protecting trucks, bringing 8 into gaza for, for, for weeks and months is really government and the police stood by while right wing protestors. and israel blocked the trucks and even got it got on board and route trash, right. the aide now we get is res bravest varies. i think that takes real courage and today's israel to stand up to that kind of summary, right? so we will need to support each other and stand by each other and i think what the

are things are doing is crucial. however, this does remain symbolic until we have a pass for full accession of the state of palestine as a full member state. right. i do not to patients because that is when certain i mean, and you and chargers and international law come into effect to protect the state of palestine. and that's something that i guess the us will continue to block for as long as it can. let me ask you a question about the internal palestinian situation last week. daniel levy was on this show and he talked about the internal tensions now inside among jews on it, both israel and the us over how to frame this and big generational divides. we heard mock with a boss of palestine authority president in box, rain criticized. come us. and we have others that have basically have division. i'm just sort of interested in whether or not there's an internal debate among what among palestinian nationalist essentially and how you think that will play out

well, i feel that there isn't enough debates among palestinians that i'm aware of. and there's, there's a tendency to say now is not the time, the bombs are falling or people are dying. now is not the time for us to sit there pontificating outside. i, i personally disagree with that approach. i, i, you know, you mentioned the history. i wrote a deal about the opening of this program, refer to the book i wrote, which is the history of the hope yellow and the arm struggle from the early days up to 1948 and the mass expulsion of palestinians from their homes. right until the also the records of 1993 and so i speak with a lot of grasp about a long, long history. and so in my view, firstly, publish things i've never benefitted whenever they've tried to avoid having these

tough, difficult debates about their strategy. but from the political perspective and from an ethical one. and i think the many palestinians made a really big mistake when they tried to play, play down or turn a blind eye to the slaughter of his really civilians and other known as various opinions in southern israel. on the 7th of october, i think that was something politically criminal and totally wrong. and it was only made the palestinians pay and even a higher price. that said, i think also however, that was the kind of thing. and intellectuals is here referred to what i think has that hasn't yet come through in my, in my view, any way, is that a hi miss? in effect, dealt a desk blow to what was left of the old style palestinian national movement of which my food i best bet a single 3rd the president is the the leading example is further nationalist

movement. that's dominant in the west bank and pretty much all the other factions that grew up within the so called armed struggle. all of these factions, including from us and they, they, they're, they're basically they, their pastor. so by date and how muscle though it looks like it was on the up with the some of the to very demonstrated stability to fight. it's still on the ground fighting. i think that whole model of political action and this immense attachment both to the concept of resistance, but specifically of armed resistance of the gun. this is something that i believe has failed historically. and that's at some point in coming months or the next few years. maybe what we'll see is that the palestinians no longer have a viable political structure that adequately represents them and gives them leadership. and i think that is one of the biggest lessons,

those 7 october and about a senior response to it where millions of young people in the jasper and elsewhere, i think convention tremendous courage. and in many cases, a lot of political acumen and confronting university administrations, or liberal politicians who tried to suppress calls for even a ceasefire and gaza. i think we've seen wonderful displays of activism and solidarity, but a lot of it has been leader this and it's a tragedy that this generation no longer has the kind of leadership that i had when i grew up in the field which provided some sort of direction of some sort of political savvy and some sort of ethical measure. and i fear that the other thing is face a long period of drift. before we have clarity on whether we're aiming for one state solution, a 2 state solution or 3 state solution, no solution. it's, it's partly for the other thing is to develop that, but i think that this is going to be a long time coming. and in the meantime,

if the external powers like the united states and others wish to do something positive that i believe that the one and the only positive thing is to accelerate the push towards palestinian statehood on independence. the issue is not the technical capacity of government ministries in the west bank are not, there are sufficient competence. is there sufficient technocrats and the other issues having providing palestinians with the means to govern their own lives? mix their choices of what to consume up to produce what market to sell and where to study, whether to be artists or sorry, i missed or far as these. these choices are denied them until those choices are possible. they will not produce a new kind of politics. one that is way more peaceful than way more democratic. yes, he'd say a senior fellow at the carnegie middle east center. i really appreciate your candor . thank you for joining us today. thank you. so what's the bottom line, what's happening and guys, it's going to stand out for the ages as the combination of injustices they collect

. the human ization, racism, human rights violations that have just torn through finally to the collective conscience of many people around the world. most countries in the world $143.00 out of a $193.00 to be exact, already recognized palestine as a sovereign state. but the richest and most powerful western countries, especially the united states, do not. and that's what's holding back a serious global commitment to an in game of freedom or the palestinians rather than the hazy promise of a negotiated process, which is simply failed for decades, regardless of how symbolic today's diplomatic moves are. they're all small pieces of a tear. it is written through time in history, a chair that is bigger than israel, and the us would like to acknowledge. and one that's not going away. and that's the bottom line. the

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