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hello welcome to the show. i'm assigned me say that for you is hate to, has suffered from violence, political instability and poverty. in recent months, gang violence has led to the resignation of prime minister ariel henri and false tens of thousands of people from the homes may have been forced to live and make shift shelters. but now some hope com can gradually be restored to the caribbean nation. a transitional presidential council sworn in last month has chosen a new prime minister, gary condo will leave the country for the next 2 years. now this is condo, 2nd time in the top job, and these promise to bring the country together. so how will he tackled the violence and instability, terrorizing the people of haiti, and what role would be us playing all of this? all we're bringing out guess shortly, but 1st this report by imaging can the with guns controlling 80 percent fight is capital

a new point minister has been chosen for the country. gary connie is a former regional director of human staff in locked in america. margaret briefly let how you see about a decade ago. he was selected by 9 men, the kind so created to oversee its transition to democracy. that came of the prime minister ariel. henry resigned in april and the international prussia spiraling chaos, increasing violence. i feel very honored that the presidential console has chosen me as the new prime minister of haiti. together, we will work for bits of tomorrow for all the children of our nation. connie charge with bringing stability, put on the streets. and heidi, they're mixed feelings about his appointment. well, this is the 1st time that the presidential constant has made that choice in favor of the people. everyone knows that the gaiety courtney isn't on a citizen who is do his utmost to fight corruption in the country as he did under the government of some of the president my daily. so we have been through this

before. they could have given us new people were already in charge and we could have seen what would have happened the, the u. n says more than 360000 people have been displaced from their homes in height and the past 2 years. in 2024 more than 1500 people were killed and hundreds injured. nearly 60 percent of people live in poverty and avoidance, prevent aid reaching those in need and limits the access to health care and schools . in february governments during the airport police stations and prisons releasing move in full size and inmates. condolence mushrooms. following the assassination of president juvenile maurice in 2021. no elections were held to replace him leaving a power vacuum, the gangs of throw it, and he is waiting for you. in fact,

deployment of canyon police supported by the us to help quote the balance of the countries of also pledge security personnel. but some a skeptical they have the ability to break the grip of the pos gains, and kindly does the food. they may not accept decisions of the presidential council leaving height. these new prime minister, the major challenge had image and came out to 0. the inside story, the well that's this, that's what this moment could means. i hate these people with, i guess in haiti's capital pull to prince. we have events are involved. he's the executive director of policy tay. it's an n g o and policy think tank in paris. we have the a good that mean. he's a consultant expos, on hazy for the international crisis group. i'm involved though. we have a on the chevy say he's from the defense intelligence company. james,

he's covered military operations in hate and other conflicts. good to have you with us. so if i could start with events, so does the new, the chosen prime minister have credibility? do you think in the eyes of most haitians? oh wow. you know, i think she brought him, we don't patients, donald tries, but it is the that's all because yeah, see any progress in the country for the last many years. you know, 25 or 50 years department is. so yeah, i really think we need to serve in back in january and we know like the, the, the nice population is what be i can find those amenities, secuity, referrals, 80 percent of them do the mattress and others insecurity. but also healthcare services and accessibility. and employment and job security. so the government of these got all trying to resolve those issues, those needs. i think the way to start to, you know,

get some somebody on the truck right now. we're just waiting to see situations because we don't know why, but maybe surgery their 1st doing mondays, but at the same time, the difference is the least the picture probably the was the size of the assignment so that you'd be bought at the money we don't we spent those, the cost which the me somebody's wow. so that situation, that one point may. okay. we the asian population, but right now we're just, we just noticed the weight is easy to me is. all right, the given what eventually just said the diego, what dancing, can he unify the nation? a daily, it will be one of the most challenging jobs in the world. the one, the income you will have at the, in having these transitional government that it has

a very ambitious plan. and it has to restore security. and it has to organize dimensions. it pretends also organize and natural come friends, going to in every department in the, in the country to get an input on the, on what the haitians want. and the desires of may be some changes of the constitution. you know, when the being judges and reforming the constitution create a commission of through. busy isn't reparation so many, many tasks as. busy very daunting tasks in a moment where the huge knows, institutions are in the brink of collapse. so, and it will need a to, to be very independent from the groups that selected human to be in the position and, and trying to em, eh, convenience, the international community to, and support in the massive way they should institutions not only to restore

security through that when somebody king of the for him personal, then we'll be deployed windham on special mission, but to restore democratic institutions in this traditional period. all right, you've highlighted 2 important things, the restoration of democratic institutions and the dispatch of foreign troops. let me take the question to one and say, what will be the mission exactly of canyon troops? and so to, to the ball, the mission of all the canyon lead, the kenyans will not be the only ones contributing bending as already pledge to send police. and there are several caribbean countries such as jamaica believes and that behind us were also on board with the suspicion in this operation. the mandate is to bring back security and support the, the hesitation, police. but that is quite an and vicious undertaking that is

being considered given for now the limited mind powers that has been formally pledged. we're talking about the solving canyon police officers up to 2000 from the lien and a few 100 from the, the time to come country that the committee to participate military just now the one i say they're probably not off to the job. i'm not saying that i'm just saying that maybe that will be too too many numbers to make a sufficient difference. okay. i could see if i just wanted to get in on that. go ahead. yeah, you really didn't really when, when you compare the last you envision maybe the wrong 10 times instead of right. and we had a different situation. we didn't have a lot of days in advance. right now we have the right one for a supervisor and the actually called now means we are more funds more danger. moultrie tourism. okay, by my days, and i'm going to have less so the right, right. so if you, you look at the numbers,

there are some of the daily so, so the people in the, you know, the street wall or maybe we can, we can see that it's going to be the success. but so overall with the numbers, we have to be really scheme to go to it all, just take us to doing no events. what the position is of some of these important groups. and the leaders like barbecue on the question of how they view. not only some of the foreign troops coming in, but also the new prime minister. what i mean for the mission of the asset, they themselves, they are getting ready for the mission. that means they are getting ready to engage in combat with that. but the prime minister, i've heard of it to you so far, but from the mission, i know the, the view, you know,

the policies that are coming to the lady. and so you know, for many reasons why it's the same thing. even though the wow secuity didn't want to be the want to have the security situation, but it's not stations themselves, which means that securities calling for the so it is be seen on the interruption. but again, i think they are ready to engage and come back in the setting themselves in the media type of what would be the we, what we said do then what is the norm showing us? you know, some of the game never was all easy to find the stands were there any way you know how to, to get to come back to gaze, say easy task speeds. it's not going to be able to. everybody is going to bob. and then he has gone away from you and you've been a single stop, the national police, you will see cute account board and do some of the bases. and then he just does, the job is not going to be that the person for the best situation on the ground is

very, very curious. and it was, well, in that case, the nation's yeah. got got the people. so i think we are in for so most of the time that i'm going to be very, very last dressing, both patient bodies, but most of the some of the going back to ad wrong for a mid free analysis. then if that sounds like this can get messy very quickly, is the a backup plan for these false is particularly what role might the us play and all of this? so for now the us and canada shown to you that did not want to get involved, the boots on the ground, they're more than happy to fund and train the personnel that is being deployed. but that's it. and even when it comes to funding, there's been some issues with the equipment with the americans suggesting for example, to some of the car you can come countries that they put the bill for the equipment in the us will reimburse them when the original deal was that the americans were

going to put everything together so that these troops could going and right now, that's a problem because the, the only force is that no hate see. because they've been there in the past. understand the culture and have the expertise particularly in and operate. sions, of the car can countries just jamaica behind us, or believes there are few numbers that they are highly competent, well trained, and very professional in their, on their military. they're not to police. the problem to is that sending police personnel in the context of a been in security that has no particular for price. we've kind of weaponry that the guys have is, um, is probably going to be the do not be a workable solution because the canyon police isn't really used to fighting a bunch settings, at least not the kind that you can cut or you h e. nor is the police from the name and a given the fire power of the games that the seal is more like. it should be

a military operation, rather than the police operation. sounds diego, like a lot of responsibility and pressure on the new prime minister to try and establish his credibility to calm things down and spread the acceptance of not only his administration, but those pals and those forces backing him up. this is not his 1st shot at this job. what kind of track record in history does he bring to the premier ship to? well, she's a very, a typical a person to be appointed in this position right now. and maybe it is quite good news for several and reasons. first, it was that she was appointed by consensus by all the the. busy council members, which are not the really into the same. and like every, every time they and they are trying to make decisions. this time they made this decision together to get one person that is not imposed by any particular sector.

and in which every everybody an acceptance, and particularly because she's not a part of the political class in haiti, even if she was prime minister at one moment during the day monday to of president mission. and by the 30 she was. busy appointed and she served as prime minister, but only for 5 months. and the in fact she has, she was forced to, to reading to resign. and from this position, because he was contending with president lighting mission of our family and some members of the. busy government including including because he set up an order of commission and then was investigating and i'm covering the corruption in the awarding of a construction. busy contracts for creating and constructing a meeting for us for a tour after the week of 2010. so somehow she is seeing that not only as somebody

who is impartial, who is not or who doesn't have strong ties with any particular political group, but also a, she's seen of somebody that's and we're trying to come but corruption. and that's ryan. he is also favorably seen by the international community. this is a critical point, isn't that events like how we're going to his background that as a development specialist? how is that gonna contribute to his ability to deal with some of the challenges the country faces now? so what i'm gonna make is the international experience with the, you know, with development i think we do need to do need is, you know, someone told me to use experience in the community one to come as well because, you know, yeah, well, the worst president, when was appreciated by all the way in the the all right, so the guy, yeah, that's why the community wants to. okay. so what does that mean just saying,

i think i think he's experienced, you know, so the fact that the lead not do way somebody bass going to happen in terms of, you know, twice in the, in the ations the side. but we don't have the, we send people the beginning, you know, 20, since they just want us to pack. how do you want us to use those course? the new experience for how it's going to be a good time to think situation. it's not the same. i mean 2011 and on and the people waiting to see all is going to be one of the singles he's going to give up duties for us on his days. and the v is going to fall. so we see, you know, actually it is hard to see how is going to, um, you know, what i can do the can get in the car, you have to go to the bay or where does the process quit claim then the other one, how critical is it that the new prime is the, does deal with,

particularly the humanitarian crisis in places like selina neighborhood very quickly and demonstrate to people that he can make a tangible difference to the lives to. oh, i think that you just said that the problem now is that the haitians of a strong distrust of politicians, which is the by the multiple issues encountered in previous governance. so the window of opportunity for the new prime minister to prove himself as the legitimate ruler and curry, a positive opinions from the nation, the public is going to be very, very lead me to the needs that you may need. tegan angle will be critical as well. as the security one, so you needs to balance the context where um, she's part of which is leading to the transitional government. so which has not necessarily the, which is not necessarily issued with legitimacy by everyone in casey and it's to

access. but at the same time, in the context of insecurity, which makes any action extremely difficult and challenging and uh, with the, an international community which is being quite slow, the sides making speeches in responding to the process and hiking. so events didn't he lead a transitional government or transitional, sorry, t as one was explaining that, but it like surprised that and how does that impacts his ability to operate responding to the association of counsel which acts as a friend. so the chip is the principal is the president. so the body's response to the 9 members, so the members wouldn't be the president, so he's going to respond to to the president. oh, they go to frank together program until elections. what within 2 years? right? yes. so what we're seeing here is the same scheme of what happened in 2004,

you know, the model for the obviously, you know, design and we had you envision coming to be in the we someone in front of your job to load requirement is the time to leave the country organizations we secuity is the same thing again 20 years later. so yeah, you know, the person, the design last for the city department is to reside. so we have someone coming from the un mission, well joining creation. and it says log in as a nation, so we can security. so it's the same situation right now. it is more challenging. we have more security issues, young people that on and provide more use before the next, if it is and the time is enough. so now has to deal with that. we the transition of the cpg to, you know, we secuity shows and also providing services to the, to the, to the country. so 2nd sense of deja i've always been here before. it sounds diego,

like it's a real priority to be able to move quickly beyond this transitional process of foreigner pointed the all bodies trying to appoint somebody temporarily to get things together and get to an electoral process and get some elections and elect somebody that has wide credibility in the eyes of people. how soon do you think the country can move towards the elections to oh, yes, usa is very important for haitians to start building some a bunch of trust with the haitian political class that is completely discredited. patients as even was, was saying don't trust important patients anymore because they see them as the same . they always see the same names the same and met and then the women who have been . busy just and having the power for decades in heavy. so it is very important and this time. and while an advantage now is that most of the political groups

are represented in the transitional government. so they won't be any of positions that we've tried to. the stuff like these governments, so this is in this a critical point. it is also an opportunity to have competitive elections, to have a political campaigning which no any single. but if you go by any will have advantages to a board and the plays that's the political groups. what about the um groups the gangs? and of course a lot of the i see i gotta finish the then we will go to yvonne's, go go ahead. the i got to address the security situation. of course it is indispensable to have some backing up for end security. but as you know, to help the patient needs to get to the hand again, you become but against the gangs. but he's also that's a. busy that he's also needed to have

a comprehensive way of dealing with this. and it's also very important to separate between the edits and the legal. i'm groups that is an important point. events you wanted to come in with the thoughts on that. before we go to add one, go ahead. yes, i wanted to make to look for the 1st one to buy. what? um uh, if you could just sit about the dishwasher in the you know, in our and we wanted to talk to the rock bottom about this. if it's 93 percent 93 percent of the respondents do not charge the closest so they can on the opportunity . and so, you know, i mean like somebody to call all the patients to go to, that's gonna be the other thing is, you know, the, you know, times that will change when they form a new electro commission that we're not gonna leave the response of the security so the government, but i mean, you know, you know,

resolve the situation of the security, which is really the piece. is that the same thing? if we want the mission to succeed, you want the government to succeed now in the how to actually raise the committee. but at the same time, work on the just part of the justice i yes, collapse. and we cannot bizarre the gang situation. we're not bringing them to just these people are saying know, a lot of scenarios that they want to know is against the stars. they are working for the people. yeah. what do you think is the people, the patients, how she's doing printing? all right, so when you're saying like i want to say you went into human life. i mean, 2 months ago and i said before the thing, yeah. what, what was the revolution or as well, i mean, i know the, the sort of the people and doing these not about the policy. so we want the mission to succeed. if we want the secuity to that,

a lot of the so less than the how to deal with not only with the situation, but also we've been just a system because right? so i used to be so much, not only the game starts, but the people to the funding that are giving the nations and people not giving them anybody to do the least in the country a lot to take a part. yeah. add one. how long can some of those countries which are sending forces to hate the sustain the mission given that it, it is not a popular mission bank home in all of these countries, at least, and especially in kenya. right? yeah, so that's a big challenge. there's been a number of legal impediments filed in kenya to stop the deployment, which has been described as a beagle by opposition groups. and i, yes, terry come countries may be willing to engage a little longer because i hate to use a carry come nation and there is a feeling that they're working within the carradine region to improve stability.

but in general, the ability to sustain in the long term will also be difficult, particularly if there are massive losses of i mean is canyon. the policeman around boost and several are killed or the same personnel from the new york and countries that may increase the pressure from the public opinions at home to pull out. because uh, to begin with this, this operation is not really popular and actually finding troops finding countries willing to send troops to begin with as being a major challenge in the previous 2 emission. most latin american countries contributed this time. they didn't necessarily agree to commit to the themselves again to the point to haiti, so there's also the danger that the operation gets off to difficult thoughts. the other contributors may wish to pull out quickly and they may not be other countries to replace them. while it and i may use because also the reason

why it's so even though we have many less number can countries do are leading the forces, the meanest hospitals being produced. so i don't know some of their reluctance to participate right now because they don't think you know what they need before. right. so now they already know what happens in be well state speeding. so the way i see, oh, i definitely, i think we can agree, it's a, it's going to be a tough mission ahead of them. let's hope they can, uh, sort this out in the way that's best for the haitian people. that brings us to the end of the show, it's time to find con, guess big things to events from both the a good, the rain, and on the chevy se, and thank you to for watching. you can see the show again, any time by visiting our website. i'll just 0, don't com. and for further discussion head over to on facebook page, that's facebook dot com forward slash a inside story. you can also join the conversation on x 5, is that

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