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people trading in the small fire and phenomena are hoping to reclaim that time from the grip of social media and technology. so why are some young people turning the box on connectivity? and you said joy to be rediscovered beyond up by marion paul. so i'm, this is the street the why is it live on when i go out and not my regular phone in the last week alone, i've wasted over 56 hours of my life to social media with that too. i don't know how to stop short form videos like this one are like an diction. they catch your attention and now you have teenagers who were born into the phone world to say, i want nothing to do with this. give me my flip phone. he has ingest, easy using these phones to reduce the screen time. so basically, so on a digital to utah,
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i bring it with me when i'm out and it's definitely improve my social life color to black and white because that way it's just not going to hit the same. you're not going to get the same domain hit and you're just going to not one and mindlessly scroll. so you deleted all social to focus on your cell are the, to the average person will spend about 5 years of a life on that fine. i myself spend around 6 hours a day, which is around average fudzinski. i'm millennials, not proud of it, but you know, so all we addicted to our devices. is it a problem? joining us today to discuss this all jose brian is an advocate for digital minimalism. an offline living, so you need this group the are right. so experimenting with reducing how screen time. i'm sophie smith's gala digital journalist and also the welcome to you. oh, thank you so much for being here. i'm sure you only can. i spoke with you, you,
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you turned your smart phone into them fired. how has that changed your relationship to your phone? is this the end of the reason to fulfill? because when i realized that how it would be did i was to this finally dawned on me that the device was only me and it was not the i the read on. so even authentic because of my mental health. and so i maybe i decided to use my smartphone as adopted when i was, and when i do this fee, because that's the me, the jungle, wendy, jose, you created a red account about done phones. you have made a more radical shift, haven't you? and that has over 50000 uses. do you think we saw seem to see a shift in societies relationship with technology? and i definitely think so. um, you know, i moderate the sub read it done phones which is also found online to, to
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a degree. but it's a little bit of a different experience because people come here to find what works best for them, and then they leave to live their lives. and i feel like that's the movement that we're seeing nowadays, which is i want to find information, i want to make it practical for my life. and after that, i'm just going to go and going to go live my life, which i think it's a better. you know, details for our time and sophia, hundreds of families, all steering some of the world's biggest tech companies for what they claim is knowingly exposing children to home full products. they claim that the social media platforms, for example, a home full by design. what are your thoughts on that? the in the tech design space, there are lots of people and they have been for some time trying to dissuade social media platforms to consider the alternatives. the current features that i have. you don't need to be a child or have a child to,
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to think some of these features could be a little better for us. but if i'm an adult and i'm saying that plenty of elements of algorithmic platforms, especially school feeds and how we a subs, content could be changed for the baxa. that being said, this is a little side part of a wind to trend. the phones are part of a wind interest in returning to analog. that's how it's not only by tech design, not being ideal for us. that's also powered by concerns around the dates of privacy . for example, laurie's but we have around our social media use and it's, it's emerging now in this trend over time into outlook. so is tech subbing you all use serving the tech for many of us. that's a defining question. you know, relationship with all phones. check this out. i'm 24 about social media for 15 years on a smart phone in my pocket every day for a decade for people a bit older smartphones on social media. we're in addition to that already
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developed a lot. but for many people my age, we don't know in a single day and i don't live without. and because of that knowingly develop to social media addiction and the endless access to entertainment. man, i never really learned how to be slow, a patient. i tried all the screen time things leaving my phone to her to leaving my social media accounts permanently. none work because i really thought it was right . take a small effort always ends up back in my pocket for some reason why i should quite enjoy testing my relationship with tech so that it serves me know the other way around. and 3 months ago, i started using this just to see if i could and it's great and it's huge. they improve my relationship with the online. well, because it doesn't demand anything ultimate, it's a passive object. i don't have smartphones. i just failed to image its own one right now, but as i go on to young, i never loved balance with it. i might go back to a smart phone one day, but if i do, it will be with much clear intention. so any research conducted in recent years suggests the excessive technology use negatively impacts mental health and development. vicki around young people like digital native we've just heard from.
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do you think it's particularly tricky for younger people and what, what was some of the struggles that you yourself face? i do think that the struggle is the for the younger generation because there are so many members of my own family who just thought smartphone built into their for these entities. and this i didn't do the story that now we have a lot of stuff. but any, who knows, at the end they were living in the movies. if anything, i think the younger generation will be the i wanted to put a small g, b have all the jobs. so they really think that option because of the over in this and also because yeah, very, very concerned about the boundaries and says good. so i haven't really, i don't blame you. i think that so jen, you will definitely be me. this is the tops. i think this is bottles in the javin does it? i say it was just industry, the piece would be the device that was giving me everything all the big. i mean
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just about some of jake. uh but i still need to realize how bad. yeah, it was owned by the device and it says to a developer, i can imagine um, how does a i love the idea of it, but also it does slightly terrify me. uh well, it has improved for you since you shifted to the home phone on this be on this. is it actually possible to live without one of these days? i think i think it's possible to live without a smartphone for sure. and what a lot of people find out is that it's about your lifestyle, right? you need to oriend your lifestyle in such a way that it allows you to have these devices or have less interaction online or have less dependency of these devices for yourself or for the time being. what i personally do, and what i advocate everybody to do is define what works best for them. so if your job requires a specific app to factor authentication teams, slide whatever it is,
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use your smartphone during your work hours and then switch to a done phone afterwards. so that you are have something that actually is designed to respect your time and attention. and i think that that's what we have to think about. it's not a device problem, it's a lifestyle problem. and a lot of the reasons why newer or, you know, more recent generations, jonesy or jen alpha are having difficulty with this is because their lifestyle has always been online. so going to an offline lifestyle feels jarring. so they have to try that have to practice and they have to test different things. for me, the main benefits have always been you know, mental clarity. and just having the mark ation that during a certain period of time, i have these tools and a different period of time in the evenings or in the weekends. i don't have them at all and i live fine without them. it's just a slower lifestyle that i need to adopt. well, i'm for some of us a lot receives
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a problem. the self control, myself included sophia, we often hear this time addiction bonded about concerning our relationship to our findings. i regularly say i'm addicted to my phone, all we really evicted to our friends or is this and now the marble panic. tut. so i've done a lot of, uh, reporting in the health space. and whenever i've spoken to public health experts like ways of reading cab, yeah, and quotient against using the, the web addiction. and this goes for lots of other things, not only social media addiction, as you might hear about it, that automatically open stigmatizes, whatever the person is going through. it can even make a decision, a less likely to think that that person is treatable in the other spaces by the way the addiction is used. so for me, i don't use that phrase. i'd prefer to use something like problematic use or problematic relationship with a smart phone. and in this conversation,
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you often hear about a screen time and like, oh there's a perfect amount screen time. that means you, you won't get addicted or you won't stop, probably not using it fine. and the reality is life isn't as simple as that. it's more new ones. 4 hours of screen time for one individual could actually give them profound benefits, especially depending on how they're using the phone. someone else. but best thing for hours may mean that no easing but not sleeping properly, or they're not seeing or talking to somebody that they should to be. you know, that person's use of best. my phone is more problematic than the pass and who that small thing is bringing great benefit. so we have to be really careful when we use times like this, when we're talking about done phones and smartphones. well, when we use our phones, we are literally guessing, though, for mean hits, i feel good drunk. that helps us. and i mean shows we stay that scrolling for hours p g, there is
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a behavioral sciences he. he explains how the tech is super charging all systems. effective though, for me, is a lot stronger when the rewards is unpredictable. so every time you swipe on tick tock, because it has this unpredictability, the brain can never adapt to it. your brain to never consistently predicts how much does it mean it's got to be released. and so that actually makes the habit a lot stronger and a lot stick. yeah. and so what you end up with people who are, i think this to these platforms, the thing about technology is that technology evolves quickly. whereas evolution works very slowly, right? humans of all very study. so the biological mechanisms that we have in our brain when not designed to handle this level of, of doesn't mean, right? so the, the reason why social media release has domain is because we have these built in
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things that what key to our survival back when we were a few minutes, right? the need for social connection, the need for forming friends and bonds with other human beings, that those are things that were beneficial to our survival as a human sprite collaboration cooperation, that's how we thrive as a species. but now that same mechanism that was very important for us in the early days of us. the bible is now being hijacked through technology through aust. especially overloading the systems with super amounts of social approval through the things like likes and be successful, right? right on social media. jose, um, is this just an evolution problem? do we just need to load more astute brains to do with all confirmed pre contacts? i think part of it is true. what the weather saying. you know, we do have a dependency that we have not learned how to deal with. and i like to agree with the previous point made, which is screen time is not the basis like, you know,
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there's different things that you are doing with your screens. as you are interacting with them, so it's not all bad or all good. it's just somewhere in the middle and you have to define whether it is problematic for you or not. whether you have that level of dependency. i think that there are some studies that are showing right now, and especially there was a book that just came out here in 2024, called the anxious generation that truly shows that these issues are compounding. and because they're compounding, we have to be careful and we have to maybe take a little bit of a step back and re engage with technology learn when it's useful there. and when it's not an adapt to it. now we have been maybe guilty of adopting technology to quickly and saying in pricing all of the benefits without evaluating all of its drawbacks. so i think we need to kind of go back and forth and run more experiments in our lives to see what is actually useful and what is actually contributing to
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our quality of life. instead of just adopting that technology, just because it's the nice and using well show you any on the subject of anxiety and this anxious generation of someone who is on the autism spectrum and has a d, h d, the algorithms pose a specific challenge for you. i definitely t as much as i read for digital to media for helping me understand why you guys would in my office and my tv. i would like to see that the relationship between a lot of things in me is any blame. what for what made me, that's what i did and it is those people because at times i just feel that it tries to control every p that i was the how much i should see winter rise. it. and that's why as it all just because it is very important for me to be the back because whenever there is any mondo expectation based on i have like a dizzy he just said i'm in the office too. so that's why i now be disappointed. i
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re engage with social media as always mine and i've been waiting to read that so as my life, right. so i use hide new blog and for ready to ensure that whatever comes up on my feed update that i actually want. and because i also have edi i, i had the seal depending on my device for google me all the time. so i, even, i, i mean, when we click the, a b 50 last last one. but i was older than me. and i was of using a border and that's why it's very important for me to make that that distinction because i could see a lot when did my mental health as soon as they made the switch? well, surely i think a lot of people would relate to exactly that i'm, i'm just wondering, sophia, about this id that we can sort of regulate ourselves. you know,
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we've had industry veterans including former employees from alphabet, which is um, google's parent company and facebook speaking out in recent years about how the company incentivizes employees to design features that increase the time spends on the product. so, you know, is it tech savvy also? uh we serving the tech out here. amanda, we are how to makes money. uh, we uh, uh, when they get millions of us downloaded net, right. they make money of us through all the data and through advertised as being able to serve so many of us. so of course they're going to keep introducing features by going to encourage us to spend more more time consuming content on, on those apps that is not going to change the i'm using that is going to change that is accountability and even regulation. to encourage platforms to think about health and wellbeing before that profit. well on that subject, we all know some of the small,
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just people around all invested in keeping our idols on our phones. but is it possible for us to take back control as individuals or might this need corporate or even governmental reform? for just like screen time limits can be use a tool for people one to cut back on the phone, use these companies to have interest in keeping people engaged. so it's important for consumers to be aware of that and not just rely on tech companies to solve the problem for them. ultimately, it's up to each individual to take responsibility for their own digital habits. at the same time, i think this shift is a concern for the industry because it challenges the traditional business models. if people start using the vices list, this could mess of in fact, even your streams. however, also thing this presents an opportunity for the industry to involve and create products that are more aligned with the uses values and needs. so you earning you told us about using this sort of individual responsibility we're, i mean,
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how effective has that been for you? you know, i, we hear about all these strategies turning your phone gray, you know, the lead things done apps, you know, putting fines on yourself. i mean, how have you done it and does it walk? it is yes, i can do that. i uninstalled, that's what i've tried some since they gave me but the following motivation and not milestones. so i decided to download an app that we went to my phone and honestly deal with the folks doing my work. i wasn't when i was doing these windows, my smartphone, big gums, and on the phone it won't be has the most essential features that i really like that goal, some payment. okay. the reason all apart from that there's nothing is that, that i can exit. i, i live, i work from home and i have internet access on my laptop. so this works for me because i don't, i'm not dependent on my phone as much as with the laptop i create. when i was
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getting up the internet, you see i'm not with the, the full day. um. so make sure that this process works, that this particular app today has a brand new thing that you can set for yourself if you want to. great, but the doc love to be x amount of money to get out. i don't need that amount so high that i do not the same thing because i know that it busy us tuesday didn't buy it. and i finally agreed on this mortgage only because simply blocking our uninstalling app. we're not working. i have phone by says going back and installing everything that i just installed. um, well, how does a some people have confed compared smartphones and social media apps to junk food and tobacco suggesting that lawmakers should regulate the design of these products to protects all health? what's the word on the read it community on that one?
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yeah, i think there is a, a big push towards more regulation from certain parts of the community. and there is a conversation that needs to be had in regards to that. i mean, when you compare to like this, like for example, here i have a flip phone. this is one of the devices i use, and this is not designed to keep your attention in time 247. however, you know, i do have another thing laying around here. this one is right, it's design is big, it's beautiful. you're able to get all the apps and all the content that you need. so yeah, i think regulation is definitely part of the conversation. but we can not just wait until that happens. i think we do have to take some personal ownership and try to do what's what works best for us. and this is where i come back to my original point that it may not be a device problem. it's a lifestyle problem, are you letting all of these things, all of these technologies integrate into your lifestyle, or do you want to live
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a lifestyle that has maybe just a little bit more friction, but it does have way more benefits. so i think the regulation conversation is important and we do need to talk about how to design products that do not exploit our human vulnerabilities. but until that happens, we do have to take some ownership and we do have to do what's best for us with the tools that are available right now. it doesn't have to be a done phone the other way. yes, i hear that. well, sophia, despite some accounts, explains the correlation between foreign use and on wellness has stayed quite strong with all your b, as we mentioned, you know, in academic of anxiety and destruction among young people. do you think that tech companies are finally heating the concerns of the younger generation? you know, i think is going to be the younger generation up slides type platforms to change the, the power that needs to,
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to change tech platforms around the who young people could be a little more successful. persuading is probably a government is probably an element of regulation and it's something that can really sort of help them to the file i'm thinking of fines finds of proven to be quite effective in other areas of regulation when it comes to safety and protection with platforms so i think i think what this do you have to go to the top and not really going to cat when we make? yeah, i'm a contract price myself. i don't think, i think someone, you know, a big bully roomed asked me saying social media platforms gonna watch my video and be persuaded annoyingly. but certainly if we can convince policy makers and people with real power to listen to us, then they can tell the social media platforms off. and is part of that sofia, i'm off with drawing our consent through less usage. i mean, is there a way to negotiate with these top phones through the form of power but we have, which is shortly our usage is net i
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sent a coal di enough, people would do that for it to have an effect. i would be happy to be swayed it otherwise, but i am not convinced that enough people would take part in that. and that is because social media around the world, people are dependent on it's the likelihood that businesses, they have dependent on it for comp time with other people. a social media use and small thing use can be the difference between me making money one day. it could be the difference between the family you someone being able to feed that family. so to southern expect everyone to stop using something for it for day is, is no, i think realistic. um, was there any i wanna ask you about the benefits now that you started to experience through this reduction of your time on your fire and tell us a little bit about that a sleeping bag. i'm beating up with a lot less anxiety because i used to be one of those people who was stolen my phone,
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the last thing before i ventured back and forth thing in the morning. so now that all of that taken care of for this one, i am less anxious. i also find by said lot millcreek is because of the kind of, well the idea was after that i always says that i just didn't have the wall and i had one read for one for these. but now i been looking, my smartphone is what i have be some changes and these changes. i definitely because i know, and i think i'm overall a more peaceful and happier person because i've been teaching with everything on my own though. and i am not engaging just because i'm supposed to be each, so i'll just say is out the rice and therefore it's a more peaceful existence when we run. well on that note, thank you to all guess jose say already and sophia. and thank you for watching. did
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