the scientists say the will was remitted by nuclear power station would be disastrous for the sea life anywhere in this area. and so the tories to come to see it environmental activist, phyllis and me do, says the location couldn't be wes. and can you know, when near being able to manage nuclear waste? she's one international awards for her campaigns, a sites and now set on the nuclear plant, which the government says it wants to borrow around 4000000000 dollars, or about $500000000000.00 kenya shillings. part of it is because the entrance to corruption, they're just looking at $500000000000.00 the amount of, of, of contracts they would get and kick locks and all that. you know, they are trying to push this thing down to, to, to scan. that's because of $500.00 to you know, because can you also benefit from it, but a few men within government would benefit from it. the international atomic energy agency says kenya is on track to have a research react to by the 20 sets these by which time the government says it wants

the coastal power plant to be fully operational. here several african governments have signed deals for nuclear power stations and reason yes, mostly with russia and china mcdonald kanga who took us fishing near the proposed size. doesn't want kenya to be one of them. he says, radiation poisoning will destroy his livelihood. demitria energy agency told us the final decision on the site will meet all canyon and international lawyers, and it's seeking a foreign partner who deal with nuclear waste. if we do studies in the time in that it's the right place, i can also look at doing that. i am telling you that as a government with this one, that is a spiritual thing, these, we do it in a way that we did not affect the environment, especially, or be boys any danger to our people. us government says the power station will bring development to the community around it. but nobody's yet found

a permanent solution to dispose of nuclear waste, which remains dangerous to life forms for tens of thousands of years. the residents of the we spoke to say they don't want to change the way of life and they don't want that problem here. malcolm web address era county can yeah. well that's it for me down jordan, find out more information. of course i'm on websites. i'll just here to come. there it is. the news continues here on, i'll just say right off the bottom line state you so much in the in india, illegal mining is having a devastating impact on an ancient mountain range and don't local residence. and you look at how much dust there is everywhere. my father is during the phase $1.00 oh, $1.00 east travels to india to investigate mining. gimme

a ralph of the mountains on out to 0 a. hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question. china is playing a bigger role in the middle east than ever, but can't compete with united states to be a peace maker between the palestinians and israelis. let's get to the bottom line. the last year, after years of possibility between iran and saudi arabia, china was able to get both sides to agree to with the top. something that the united states was either unable or unwilling to do. now with the war on gaza and its 9th month, china has presented itself as a major power. it's less biased towards israel than the west. beijing is criticized israel for going well beyond self defense and argued before the world court that the palestinian use of force to resist oppression is there right and cannot be equated with terrorism. for years, china is been expanding its economic footprint and criticizing the world order run by washington. but will that translate to

a bigger diplomatic and military role for beijing in the palestine is real conflict . today we're talking with one who jo, president of the non governmental think tank, the center for china and globalization. and he's former advisor to the china state council, which is china is cabinet. that's one. thank you so much for joining us today. i know it's going to be an unusual show because, you know, typically we're talking about what washington thinks about the world. now i'm really interested in what beijing is thinking about the israel gas, a conflict other conflicts. and you know, really china's role in the world and so i'd love to get your take on these real guys, a conflict. how is easing pain and the chinese leadership and the chinese population is looking at this conflict right now from your point of view. the thank you. thank the state uh for, for this uh show actually uh uh, i think that the wall this wall has been, uh, dry gone for quite some time. no is more than a half year and it's really devastating to see uh, people aside from there and also that, uh, you know,

the with the whole world is watching these and they're leaving the on a daily basis yet. and we cannot solve that. this guy says, i think the chinese, the positions gotten, the position, of course is, is where a clear china are the very beginning. come damsel kind of uh, you know, uh, violence. so uh, attacks on civilians. i mean, that's very clear for, for china. but china actually would like to see uh, you know, this is not really a goal or beyond the uh, you know, the, the, the, the toner is, of the, of the human uh, you know, the security because we see a lot of the casualties of the civilians we see a, there's a committed tiring crisis happening and we see there's so much international effort . so international consensus un resolutions wants to bring this and want to. busy to uh, you know, say as far yet we still have not seen that happening. that's really,

really disappointed to, i think, to, to, to many try. these are not really a, this made to, to read it to the war to see this was through continues. so we're hoping that we're going to really see a ceasefire. we're going to see some kids make things going on and that we see that to, you know, the whole world community. and of course china can work with them to really stop is a crisis that they're really happening uh already so too long. i told them to lot skills. i'd be on the imagination, you know, i was interested in the various chinese leaders statements that from their perspective, that is real to actions right now and gaza have gone beyond the rationale of self defense. and i think that's a pretty bold statement from, you know, compared to others that china has made. and i've been to be honest, i think there, there are americans that may, rightly or wrongly they think they're fair to both sides. they think they're fair to palestinians and that they want, you know, to protect palestinians,

but they have this relationship with israel that seem to have no boundaries. so i'm interested in how you see this and whether you see america in sort of a hypocritical moment, and whether or not um china is willing to weigh in more greatly to basically to say to israel back off what it's called possible. i think that the, that exactly happen to us used to be the, the, the replacement of cause or they, they are trying to maintain the, the sort of a hostile order. but they are really looks very, very uncomfortable now. and then particularly all these cries that we've seen the double standard, probably a pie to, to, to this situation. a southerly. uh there is, and there is a large, uh, influence of, of colors of the user in, in the united states. but, but that we even see about them for the diminishing and uh, but, but did but, but go to particular apartments about the yahoo actual uh let's do hang on the

pilot there. and uh uh, you know, the wall is really beyond the, the, the, you know, the, what the, what the necessary up goal is to, uh, to, to retaliate. i think those over 10 times more probably attach reduce or even 20 times more. which is, which is uh, which is a word beyond the imagination. the sampling of the, of the human is hiring people that way. location of 1500000 part of standing on the god that street. and particularly where same is causes going on the under the, the, the do you know, the casualties of the children, the woman i know there's a sufferings that that displayed on a daily basis and you are leaving room. it is really beyond the people's imagination. so i think the china actually of calls us that probably it's a, it's app for china has been talking to uh oh, the bodies. but think originally john, as a minister of some you tell the up arrow but minutes to meeting with chinese leaders? i think john, as of you know, really, hopefully that to, you know,

we should really solve is fundamentally, was, was to stay solutions, ways to ways, really stop the fight and say, inspire, you know, let's gather you in resolution uh, in place and the really to put this uh uh, to the end up being the basis really uh, you know, really law, me and i thing unbearable poverty with such a kaiser's going always such a large attach a deal, the civilians, which is a really a totally beyond the, you know, control. i think that that is really very unfortunate, very tragic. i think chinese government and john is people who is really getting more and more uh, you know, really attended at a much attention on his, on his cries in law and wants to get involved and wants to help. absolutely, this is a, there's a great desire on, on the chinese side to, to really want to see a piece making going on as

a result of the chinese government. as of right now, is that going to donate the 500000000? i'm be a full team anytime aid to the people in gauze, i haven't really caught him for open though. the china is open all the rest of june packages and really said the situation improve and, and the state of crisis stop. we all woke up in washington dc, one day to the news that china had had play this key role in normalizing relations between saudi arabia and the wrong. and i tell you if there was a whiplash effect, people said, my goodness, that was sort of america's terrain. and that sort of what we did and, and china in a way, jumped into a role that we hadn't seen before. i'd love to get your insights and not only with israel, gaza, but china is, you know, kind of new diplomatic mission around the world. the role in, in, in surprising ways and, and what is driving that right now. actually i think china know how does actually

increase the it says a soft part, but the in the so spit using the joseph nice term i to because of china i, you know, know as the open bob and the last for the 5 year john and growing to the 2nd largest economy, chinese become the largest trade image and was over $120.00 countries. so the worst, the ad plus bird is vital to china's browse and, and prosperity as well. so, so what has happened these, that china, of course, for example, you imagine about, in those made a piece do, forest, rudy, that any ron is, which is great because china is the largest the trading nation was both countries. china buys a logic older and i'm 90 percent probably be out there export of editors to china and to the war probably. and then that's really a big good influence. so i think that the, the, the information but particularly in off from some of these and probably if i'm, you know, use stuff on the iran and point of view. and they also had the low on to see the

nice in positions. they want to have a lab or to come down, and then they don't want to do is sort of the us. so you, because, you know, they were involved in the us was involved in the was that mean, you know, many conflicts in the me. there is the so there may be somebody nice on the clean me some, but incredible. i like somebody never had anybody did or never have altered by the any of the territories. and that china is the largest treated nation with all of them. and it's very natural for them to come to china and china is willing to engage more to, to make the peace. but it's, it's to the chinese interest and also to the warm pulse markets. so i think that's what happened. what has happened for making this still between a user and the bidding that you're on and, and so what it is because of china is really wants to show who down to, you know, the friend who is both countries are one. jonathan, please don't do it, please let stop, give me a face, stop it. and then they probably want to because they, they respect china as

a true largest trade emission of both of their contracts. so it's about happening actually, you know, be there's even for the, for the, for the god, the conflict. china is the largest strange. the result are, but nations, china, and the 2nd largest trading asian was the israel. i think china used to maintain both good relays because both are well add a 0 above and a time will come for china interest. that being said, look. busy you know, let's, let's really come to the end and that's really solve this issue. and the find a solution to that and probably in china, but they are not always global solves, would have more influence on china originally been something ways, but still a 6 point piece of time for a, for ukranian and, and roger and conflict and the i, the turkish for a minister competency to do a few days ago. imagine and the saying that to a talk is also would like to what was trying to help on those conflict in, in the me the is the only in, uh, you know, rush and all you credit so. so i think there's

a lot of things that to try to come play a more active uh, uh you know, peace, me making and peace. me the agent role? no, i then used to be so, so i think it's also because china has a vested interest to see a more prosper, most stable book, just from work that is really binding site and both drawn on the war. do you think there's a pathway with international institutions to be more effective in these complexes? i have to tell you my, my view is secondary general once it can't do it. what, what are the, is there a resolution besides just having constant paralysis in some of these, you know, horrible bleeding ulcers in the world that invite. busy real people's lives. absolutely. i, i think that the organization like you and, and, you know, also the security council could do much more. absolutely. the problem i see that now is that we're having all those problem in the world. so much conflict. and on

top of that climate change, you know, yeah, i saw a secretary good or is was mentioned today, you know, we should stop using all those up for you and the gasoline advertisement. now things like that. so there's more challenges, a phase and given the eyes to be combined, uncertain emmanuel, a spec. so i think the big, big power, major power should really gather the act together and work together. for example, at the you show the gauze, i will do it really is, it seems like kind we send the un peacekeeping force to the station there. 6 actually separate the uh, the, the, the, the conflict, the parties, i'm not making sure that the business tool space solution be implemented because it also. and so the, the fundamental china is that the, those big power sometimes with different views. but you know, they actually have a, you know, come on them, solve the sanctions, the trade was and all those things going on. you so, so that the difficult to reach consensus. but even general, even though united nation rich becomes as, as national security risk, because as,

as you, it says, it doesn't have a binding power sometimes. so it's really absurd to say that happen. you know, i mean, within the secular cause of the, what is really the backlog of the war piece and that is really the, the things we, we, we stop it after the 2nd world war. i know such a part of the country is following the united nations security because of the cost of a small original you know, you know, cause i, that's really absurd. i, i really think united nation should, should just standing. it's a, a implementing a power actually, you know, like you wouldn't peacekeeping for, should be actively employed, use the in stop the guys outside and the, that's really, i think what we can do and also be able to do a space solution, you know, proposed by, of the, you know, your getting countries recognized by it, but it's also proposed by china and given us the object that present biden, those us as cost base solution. why can't we implement that mean there's

a cost as opposed to stay solutions. i'm not started. let's, let's you know, get the resolution on that to do it so, so this is really, fundamentally we have to solve that problem. otherwise, it's really incompetent. not only for the domestic politics, but international politics. we're power lives. and now we go to the, those, not the officers, i'm new challenges on a new cartridge that, that, that are going to happen more so we have to really, uh, put all acts together and discovery as well. and, and the making piece immediately such a powerful comment. let me ask you a question. more about a geostrategic picture in economics, you know, is real view a india and united states of announced the new effort to open a cord or from asia to europe. maybe it's a different form of a belt and wrote initiative japan is announced a new global partnership with united states and looking at is china feeling any of that pressure or you feeling very comfortable with what you've got? you know, i think you actually will. i me with is a, is a positively, you know,

10 years ago, 10 to 15 years ago. nobody is the think about the global solves only initiate in a go. but the bottom project on china been down, you know, or 11 years ago, china proposed about a really initiative which is great and all, i think it's really, i agree it's, it's a god that chatting of a reactions, all of that, all the congress got into really looking for this infrastructure deficit, the global, your structural deficit. so united states football is a big bug, whether war base or w. and you propose a global gateway. i know we, we have an indian you where you and your but say ok, the indian uh, your economic carnal. great. if all the countries wants to put more investment, you know, putting the projects into this way to be very good. what to pay them. now when we say a lot of plans being pub. busy but not really saying much actions, for example, but don't really need to for the last decade. the match with the over one trillion us dollars. i bill the streets out of the project, but it'll rask developing countries. so what are the other countries of the used to

be, you know, concrete, the, the 3 adults would you have to be seen? what i would like to see though, even though the concept is on the global universe, dr. deposition, let's work together. you know, b, i bits or w, you goble, gate, doing india you. we do use the yorba economic card. well, that's all combine that. combine. let's use one back. let's use the agent in stock . you mentioned back a, the agent, they bought them back. they asked him to follow them back, you know, you open to them back. let's go though the follow backs. they share a similar charters and the white kindly work together. so, so i really see that a comment changes. one of the big concerns is infrastructure deficit repairs. i'm not a conservative, but let's work together. uh, you know, robert, that we're all going the different directions on quoting. they did a lot of the redundancy on waste. so i would really like to see how we can work together and try to walk comes the forms, the long said b a is walk up, be ser wu, google gateway. a lot of the similar initiative to join hands that's worked

together so that will be a china's book approach. henry, let me ask you a question about russia, china a, say, russia, ukraine, since you mentioned that, do you suspect there are more things that china can do in terms of putting mediator of nudging it's friend without boundaries, russia and ukraine into an arrangement that would end the war and conflict between russia and ukraine. we're weird or raise your thinking in that as well. actually, i'm in china as a, as a gradually filed a, this is a, this is ready to go all the about a and about falls channel setup right. beginning, you know, i went to a boat called the sovereignty charge. i enjoyed, it should be respected. but while when i shall come to the agent present, she said no nuclear weapon should before uh in ukraine and should be utilized there . i'm madeline. positive. my com can present, she called the president zalesky to ride off of that. so china is really a, be

a substantial play or no uh into this, trying to have a stops. i'm going back to the way it was a traveling, the business related to the countries and always say, you know, if it was a sub, this nato and, and the west. the lead. uh, you know, uh, coalition is really not able to really put the angel this war vendors. there's a global solid is really getting very annoyed into account is like brazil, like turkey, india, and saw separately they will want the media. i want to do something, i think china is, is actually play more role and i'll tell you, and you have a great terms, ways those us, uh, you know, long non comp sleeping countries. right. you know, russia is, by the way, with the, with the, with the nato is you, but the child and all the go because there's not in the fight in bodies. so they could be really, really in a good position to be a mediator, to be a peacemaker. and that, as i've seen that happen in china, just so you should, the statement was a brazilian and talk to you for minutes,

things and page in the grid on those many of those ponds. so i think more and more about john a couldn't be a more, a peacemaker and mediator for these guys, of course, would want to work with you as an you to work together. but, but the, the, the position of a child is clear. you know, if it's piece making that's got all the complex parties to the piece making piece talking ok summit. a lot of that just wasn't excited. let's get both sides to call them to talk to out to and this was a through dialogue. so the goes uses through uh, communication and i think that is really the john his point. one of the questions is the bricks itself paralyzed in its efforts of intentions between india and china, within bricks keeping it from playing in the role. do you take the bricks, notion seriously as an alternative way to think about how you know power and frankly, global problem solving gets done and we'll, we'll make this our last question, but i would love to hear your thoughts. yeah, yeah, thank you. if that gets there, but i think this is a great question actually. you,

you said that to the bridge suite was represent you can now me go by vision. you know that that's actually the, the attraction. we see the base country dog over the last year. i know we've seen the purchasing power and the power of the brakes is already larger than just 7. and the adults cause also uh the, the brakes. uh there's another ton is on the calendar lined up to john brakes. i know that you need to talk, is it for me? just a told me i'd susie jean that he's going to attend bridge plus a assignment and that next next week or sometime so. so i think, you know, this is really important that even though there's ideologically, or maybe, uh, the companies thought may be different. but breaks country all favor economic globalization favor economic development. i'm not subtraction of a big countries. what are the other, you know, all the, all the other lines of. 1 security or security of his eyes. oh, well, made it to realize, we see the nato expanded,

we see 5 lives. we see all colors. we see quad that we see comp, david, you know, or you name it all the lies the other way to produce a lot of the brother product, but really the increase of the mandatory budget of all the countries. so. so i think the final really, uh, solution to that is we still have to keep the past biology and the hidden baggage of the possibilities of the because the risk we cannot really uh take, you know, we have to avoid that risk. so, so the risk of the prosperity is really the biggest risk we're having though. so i think we have to really push continuously all the economic go. but i vision possibility, i think about exactly what china is doing, trying to do the bill. photo really initiative john as a a, i be a shame, a strong investment bank trying to join the c b b b wants to john that john is a part of the us impede the largest free trade agreement award. and john wants to have a, you know, all the economic, the cobra just saw me to was african not the american oscio,

central asia and gulf countries. china is the big country personally, because i think over others actually i see the breaks up to likes that you know, they want me to call them is a good nomic organization continue so, so i see the difference of these are, you know, uh, breaks uh, is not even though they are not really uh, so uh, established or that still needs all the room to improve not perfect, but that thing baby, by the end of the ride trend. all they can only go by vision continue. and of course uh uh that is where the photos breaks, country goble sides of that and find all from the global knowledge because when they don't care that you cannot be developing that much now. and then they care more about the, you know, oh, the security issue. oh, those oh, those increase me that every budget i know those issues. and that's the word of squeeze the saws go besides. now there's, there's more people back to anger, to the property. and that's where i think breaks represents a new alternative. i'll be can nominate governance issue where if we're not working

together that are telling me it will become more more attractive. fascinating. one who? yeah, founder and president of the center for china and globalization. really appreciate you for joining us today. thank you for your calendar. back to sleep. so what's the bottom line? everybody hates the enforcer of the rules. but the hard truth is that the world needs enforcers, whether we like it or not. why? because some conflicts cut. so deep that the warning antagonist just can't find the balance, but deliver safety and justice from each other. so the enforcers may global rules, which of course tilt in their favor for almost a century. the u. s. is believe that it alone is the premier diplomatic, economic and security force solving global disputes. and of course it resolves things its way. but more recently, other countries are entering the field. china is reasons for clear geo political competition with the united states. i don't think china has deep roots and concerns about either palestine or is real. but on the other hand,

if it can get some credit with air of states and iran by playing a balancing role in the crisis, then all the better. and that's the bottom line. the of the latest news, as it breaks the hospitality is a very critical point right now are not far from completely shutting down. all the for this with detailed coverage houses are being forced down. they live with the constance. fear that more is right is hawks, are never far behind from the hearts of the story. the is very well in the going to slip has led to talk to can go in the military and condition as a huge amount of waste, like that 3, the a meeting of minds. it's list deadly word. freedom, which is used to cover so many different things, the family or mainstream economics. if that happens in any other profession,

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