2 generations are not lied to connect with our community and tap into conversations you weren't find elsewhere. young americans, in particular, have been extremely critical of the united states as role in the us. the stream on al jazeera, a list of shame, israel added to a black list of countries home and children in was flashing out that the u. n. n was phones, it says as well as ami is a most moral in the world. so how does that stand off given the thousands of children killed and it's ongoing war on garza? this is inside story, the hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. the united nations is set to announce the addition of israel to its black list of countries and groups who

have violated the rights of children during armed conflicts. whether any action will be taken will be up to the un security council. some say at the very least it could put more diplomatic pressure on as well. but would that be enough to bring about? we'll change. we'll put this to a guess in just a moment. the 1st this report from image and came 15 size and children dead, at least 12000 injured and around 3000 with legs amputated in search of children are reported to die from starvation and 1100000 are at risk of mt nutrition. who in garza, since israel put down it's will in october 2023 in an annual report. the un secretary general antonio terrace is not audit, is ro to it's labeled blacklist of countries that of homes and abuse children during on the complex the decision on good israel. i'm after the shop and discussed it by the shameful decision of the secretary general. courtney, you know,

that is the army, the most more of the army in the world. so this immoral decision with only 8 terrorists and rewards from us. the only one who is blacklist the today, the secretary general, whose decision since the war started, and even before our rewarding terrorist and incentivizing them to use children for their act of quite a bit of israel has also angered the un. a spokesman said he will show, i will stood, i'm positive, a done at least parts of a recording he made of a courtesy phone call by the un to foam is run of the decision ahead of the release of the reports in bassett, or, or don's video or recording of that phone call and the partial release of that recording on twitter is shocking and unacceptable. and frankly, something i've never seen in my 24 years serving this organization. almost drawings i'm positive to the un is welcome to israel's addition to the blacklist who and un

secretary, antonio canteras's annual report to the security council, refers to the killing, made the non of 8 access targeting of schools and hospitals. box members, the report has not been made public. the exact accusations is real, faces are not clear. the list is known as the list of shame. i so look around russia and i've got a stone who's been named, but this is the 1st one is row. was pre see mentioned to the report for carrying a grave rights violations against children. the security council has responsibility for the siding action to take once the countries include on the list. but israel is already likely to face further reputational and diplomatic damage. in the international court of justice, it's already accused of genocide and garza and using stuff ation as a weapon of who i mean and prosecute is an international criminal court file

seeking words for the rest of prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and defense minister, jo, i've gone over a legit will crimes the head of own was fleet less, a really describes israel's wrong cause a as a warrant children the childhood and the future yet it continues in full, full imaging came out to 0. the inside story, the one that's bringing i guess now um from pembroke in mozambique damien, that a full my head of the protection division ad on what the you an agency for palestinian refugees. oh, damon is the founder of n r a. that's the instructional network for aid relief and assistance. she was engaged in april but joins us today from some bull. i'm get in lovey, as an of i'm calling this is wiley daily pay for her reps and joins us from london quite to have you all on the program today or a this will, has been called a will on children,

a war against children. what is your reaction to as well being added to this blacklist of countries that homes, children as well in the context of this very much being called a war on shoulder and right from the get go. it must be said, it is not entirely surprising, although highly unlikely to make any sort of of a difference. and when we talked about this being or on shoulder and we're talking about it, not just in terms of the physical sense and terms of the sheer number and scale and volume of the children who are being killed and injured. but also in the sense that every single pillar of stability that exists in a child's life has been completely an entirely arrived, catered to steal away a child's capacity to be able to even remotely feel safe, is deeply traumatic. and then to have these constant daily triggers and

trauma that are just reoccurring, compounding, pain, compounding, fear, compounding, hunger, compounding, even the most basic thing like the ability to you know, go to the bathroom or be able to, you know, turn around and know that your parent is going to be there to be able to reassure you. i don't really think that we have a full ability to understand it just how deeply devastating this is on a child's side. well, we will revisit the impacts of this will on children inside guns at a later in the discussion festival gives you and i want to get an idea of how is re lease, have we access to this decision, this next decision by the you and the is really, i'm boss of the, to the un. he's right, he's like, he's res, accusing the entire world and not looking up on them since, nope. taking any accountability and the society on 4 trips, at least in such

a denial and brainwash that nothing can penetrate sheets and the immediate b u unit, i think some of the world not only by the bus. so the private is the whole claim that day is one, has the most more. i mean the word i can think about that more said the said the said the job and then basing those days especially. but it's not only about them, it's about the general feeling. and these are the society that book ever we do is just divide, that you have the right to do what ever we bought out for the atrocities on the 7th of october. and that nobody can stop us in and do you know we 12 for as well. and today it's, as it probably is, the site itself is run in the black league is but the u. n. using the blacklist, and i'm just asking how many children did the u. n. q, and how many children did this? right?

and that's a better example of that is a get in the today when we've got the as way the army rescue in full concepts from inside goals are in the process, killing, moving a 150 people. that number is rising rapidly and yes, it is. well, we're just saying celebrations, nothing. we all have going to meet them in the hospital. are you concerned that this news is going to drown out the news about the blacklist these already did already. first of all, the news about the blakely start or was more spread abroad that in israel, the media in the service of the patient, i think the service of the war voluntarily. so does do anything possible to make these really speak good about themselves and not to bother them resulted kind of unpleasant news. story for sure is right away. 1 with dixie, it says to the release of the 4 hostages, which is by itself

a great thing and they're very heavy bay for the for municipal each is really but stand now some others, but these one does not see the others they me and that's me all who said earlier today the some decision ways that, that new, delusional you and decision will change the fact that is really all me is the most moral in the world. is gideon says equals at the aside, joe, what's your response to that? i mean, the thing to understand about this listing is, is the security mandates its security council mandates mechanism is may set up there all strings, rules and procedures about how it should be implemented in the sense that trees full potential people to be listed friday is also important, remember this by from mass and as long as you have probably being listed as well. so it's not as easy as topic just one uh i see where we are and is there on

a claim to see just having done this. so say that it is being done in the sense of the 3 way is you know, to lose know, and i things you know, are going bad as it said in the, for jesus of, for i says, no sign. the agreement tends to list israel of 2050 israel on that list. and then there was pressure put on the un, it's remove it. and if anesthesia made a final cause of the report. so this has been a long time coming in. i think it's welcome is symbolic. ace. uh, but it will have additional impression post is fairly, increasingly isolated. so in that sense, yeah, i think it's extremely well. and you said it was pressure before to cape as well of the let's do think that pressure existed this time around and what film did it take, damien? so the info is the head of protection full on risk. so we, we, one of the agencies,

but sure it contributes a to information issues in this mechanism. there was 6 credits, violation escapes children, that's a permanent chases to potentially get this. and in 2015 i think it was 700 children with too many on the school's website. and for the 20 minutes i sort of put on the list. i know the last minute there was pressure that was put on by using the us government. i was to take on this. i think this time around. it wouldn't be, you know, a strawberry to any one, but i think would help you with that, since it's drawn, hooked pressuring this way, and there was out there probably was. but given that moment, you know, being killed in the job since this latest round of conflicts in both countries on the coming by this report. i think it's just based on why that's such a compelling, a straight to be nice to this time around. so yeah, no doubt there probably was pressure,

but i think no one would think that it would be justified for the nose being included if they hadn't been easily under law credibility, the back end isn't good. and i'm just going to ask why the is right in boss, so that get that done linked and posted this un decision before it was announced. look from day one, these are some buses or is a being conducted the international community and not the un only. and the central committee of the spot, the big home who's going to can bases he's a boy edition or thinks about these next job. nothing but days. and they would live kids. they would like kids when he would do all those really ridiculous breaks, which really have been better. smith and his riley and fame is in his writing. but that's the man and he's leaving. so, thanks ago to all of this seems to be no indication from israel that it's going to accept being put on this list. even today i'm at the celebrations of the release

of the captive. there's no mention of the cost to the palestinians. you're more than a 150 lives taken to release these 4 people you and gone to just last month. can you give us examples of what it's like to be that in the course of this will, especially as a child you know, it's almost impossible without having been there because you seem but you understand what it might be like when you're on the outside and then you get in there and you realize that we quite simply laughed the vocabulary to be able to adequately. it's twice as it is such a quest of people that right now, after the invasion, the has been shoved into an even smaller dentist or a space. you go through the tent and camp for months in an area like my wife see, for example, and every step you take inside anyone's 10 sons of a cloud of flies. mothers are moving, you know, limp and listless. babies trying to shove them 20 children are swarming around the

begging for food, and that's not to mention those that you end up coming across in the hospital is words bed after bed of children that had been amputated and i was just, i and kyra right now but sitting some of the injured children that my charity, not a, is working with. there was a boy who's like, had been amputated there was a nother uh, 7 year old boy who was paralyzed from the waist down. because dropping all of the largest in his spine, and he quite simply didn't, didn't speak any more. and his mother was saying that, you know, he used to be very tidy. he, he loved running around. i met, you know, another child also that spoke of this word, fake story, but then it happened to him talking about how you want explosion happened and, and the bottom part of, of the light came off and then just crawling, trying to find help. it's impossible to find a child right now that is not caring,

some sort of extraordinarily deep trauma. and we also have to keep in mind that this isn't the sort of, you know, war zone where something traumatic happens. you know, a bomb goes off or a fire fight the rocks in your neighborhood, and then at some point in time it ends and there's an ability to fleet to safe space that doesn't exist. and children, speech and rhetoric right now that no child should ever be using and children are highly aware of the fact that their childhood has been taken from them. their safety has been taken from them and their future right now. it just doesn't really start shifting in direction is being taken from them as well. it is impossible not to have an emotional reaction as you listen to all one head, the stories of those children suffering in gaza. to what extent is really had those stories. laura, what can i tell you? i'm really speechless when i, when, when i, when i talk to my fellow is riley's,

there is no for any embassy to the front experience ever since the 7th of october, oregon theories. you cannot penetrate this i, i try in many ways and it's adult in federal. it's not the only george wing goes, don't be wrong if the entire subject isn't with some exceptions, obviously, but very few. who cannot see the people just as human beings and cannot even see that. sure, the guys are as human beings, it's part of their yvonne show that punishment the guys out there. a bunch of these are the, has to put on garza and, and does that will come out as because those student have nothing to do with what's going on. and you mentioned now, why does piece be by to today? why is read any price is a jump or make any price guys, or could be any prize? and these ladies would not show by anything. and we looked fees any empathy. and by

the way, it's almost been the by laws to show any embassy is ready, but his finances early citizens will try to pay some kind of embassy and get the overt guys in the, in the social media web taking to investigation these new cases. we're taking 2 journal were fired from the world, including academics. damian, if the children of gauze not seen as human beings, when we see the type of mass, because today we have more than a 150 people were killed, including children. as this rule continues, as these way the army closes in on the how mosley does and the remaining cap says the weights are a 120. do you see the killing intensifying blacklist or no blacklist? well i think we'll know what we want to see us these 5 minutes of the slides thing

as soon as possible. and i think it's really difficult on hearing. yeah, the to the now i think it's difficult to, you know, keep her for the ends of days and i was the one thing that will be accountability and this is liz. although i might see vice a minds about other ones that might be seen as it been as quickly. i would say here is another reason for an accountability. we seem to process with the into the national courts of justice. we've seen that a process of the i c c. this is an accountability mechanism. i need to know the code fresh, strongly used by any of those who use them. and i think you know and time to come and provide some kind of information that hopefully that will be adjust this one thing i think important to you know, be mindful of this list is your may remain as on the list and send you a demonstration. ashton, to address the concerns of the brain race and there's probably no intention of these basically humans engaging in dialogue with this mechanism to take that kind

of basis to remove the or at least go on a day pass. that name is the idea, remain the least until the items and services will ensure it will come back as a news item and that says it will continue to co crash us. so in that sense, yeah, i think it is. yeah. and both of the development of justice and time to come or what, but of course that's going to be too late for the children that you've been talking to all the children of gauze or you've also been speaking to children. you've managed to escape the people in cairo, for example. can you now give us an idea of, of not just the immediate impacts of this will, but the long term consequences of this will for him, maybe justice in the future, for as well might have some positive impact. yeah, you know, when you talk to children right now, the thing is, the thomas still ongoing,

even for those who have managed to flee, because more often than not, they're playing with one guardian. and maybe if they're lucky, a couple of their other siblings. but we're talking about families that are entirely split apart. so an example is, you know, one family who i met, where the mother is out with her injured son to younger siblings. but then her husband and her 2 other older children are still stuck in dogs. and she's torn between, you know, on the one hand that she's pray that her son, who's out of gauze or for treatment is going to be able to walk again. or does she pray for the safety and security of her children and family members who are still inside children who are calling her every single day? saying, mommy, why did you levi's and mommy? what are we going to see you again? and how does she ever even begin to explain that to them or even to herself, i have met a number of children who quite literally lost their capacity to speak. we have to remember that, you know, children don't have the sort of vocabulary to be able to articulate what they're

going through. although that being said, the vast majority of adults are highly incapable of articulating the depth and breadth and scope of, you know, sort of before and, and the psychological obliteration to this is caused them individually as well. and when we're talking about interventions at this stage for children, because the trauma is still ongoing because it triggers are daily. there really isn't a lot of work that can be done right now. of course, the great risk is that these sorts of trauma has been calcified within an individual, especially within a child. and can be severely debilitating as a child is trying to grow and mature and become an active member of society to get in as well as further isolated on the global stage with its inclusion on this list . the 1st democratic countries to do so it fits alongside well for a terry. anyway, james and terrorist listed terrorist groups. how however, has it united people within israel, windows?

the government is highly fractious though people threatening to leave nothing. y'all, who's coalition, we've got many guns, was expected to announce his resignation today. do you think however, that this outside action only serves to bring his way to lead us together? but suppose the 7th of october, broad days, where it is together. and from then on, we have only one opinion, noticed that there are no police to come the 1st and the color. and we are humans that many and doubt demonstrations, but pay attention to both all day demonstrating for they are demonstrating only against that. then you know the demo and the only way to get through to the family is the way it was done back to become a part of dies, which is not true. as for releasing the hostages, which is by itself, and we're the only good, but nothing about the war,

nothing about the crime shows the war. there is a war to warn agreement and the is very society that easily has the right to do with every day. then there are states minds and this you have to think is effect. that's the tools. and it's a very, very depressing chose. not only about that, but experience also about the nature of the is there any society that when you talk about this less potentially holding israel to account in the future? and the more immediate future, though, we've got sub sector general intended guitars sending the list to the united nations security council. they will then decide whether or not to take action with the u. s. veto willingness thing happen that so the way that the listing was the 2nd, the generals reports linked to the list of all dances and measures. sources the update you propose to be listed by the 60 general that'll be the basis. and then the base managers will that will come on by x ray and will be refreshed.

seduce, i just use this to defend is position in, in this case. and so that will be the images that make sense to what happened. so the lease now whether this gets taken out by the security council. his so security council is obviously shown as uh, not being able to take any specific action on garza but it does ask the many tools that we've been is to take more robust action of the kinds of stuff the you could say. so nonsense, it comes with use to put more pressure on the different mental secuity counselor to take action. all of that, to what extent to palestinians within goals and in the village pied westbank around the world full extent. they recognize that all global efforts to isolate is on hold that accountable for the world crimes and the actions inside garza,

do they recognize it or do they feel abandoned? you know, i think on the one hand they do realize that perhaps the dynamic is different, right? now, and that is largely due to the fact that, you know, guys, a story is not just being told through the lens of, of the western media. and the western media is quite frankly not permitted uh, in regards to by israel that mislead, through the lines of god's wins themselves. when there is a sense, yes, of abandonment. there is a growth sense that everybody could be doing a lot more because despite the fact that there is a recognition that there is, you know, a greater broader and bigger movement right now, it's quite difficult for anyone who is inside cause or right now to comprehend how it is that all of these entities other than pretty much, you know, the us a number of western countries in israel itself. how is that the rest of the world is incapable to bring about an end to what is happening to them? because beyond the bombs beyond the destruction, just the, the sheer fact that there is not

a greater effort to try to somehow get more humanitarian aid inside. medical supplies inside baby diapers inside. despite the fact that there are these atrocious her birthday numbers when it comes to the dead and the injured you also have the spread of color, right? you have this part of hepatitis a you have this part of communicable diseases. i mean, it is impossible for anyone inside because that we're even in the west bank to understand how it is that there can be no such thing desire for this to end. and yet, such is an inability to actually not even end it, but just in the slightest. begin to ease it on that note, we will end on the discussion. all right, damon, many thanks indeed for joining us along with damien lily and get in nephew to i'm thank you to for watching the can see the program again any time by visiting a website that's out, is there a dot com the discussion to go to

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