cost is going economy yet, experts say it's high g d p. most exception challenges with detailed coverage. even the rest of the defense budget is unprecedented. 7 percent of g d p. the crowd funding platforms are still raising money from around the world. springs declaration is evidence of a growing cents a month to month. even western nations. us policy is failing to bring a 2 state solution any closer to the type of problem and job at the headquarters of the international atomic energy vienna. this addition of talk to the sarah, the palestinian from an interesting sensitive to the higher you discuss this is we have elected use of depleted uranium giving. it's one of the alarming yuki it's fits made by the minister and the failure of the a year to put these concerns to because really government led by prime minister benjamin bas. yeah. join us for the next half hour, instead of the sharpie from presented to all kind of fine to the i see it talks

about the best selection for you. thank you very much for talking drugs there. my pleasure. let's begin with a great reputation that you have made against the state of israel, that it is using depleted uranium in gaza. yes. do you have any proof to substantiate that to so we have, we have indications. we didn't see the we didn't say that we have proof, but we have indications some x, but sort of saying that the type of miss hines used to buy a fight to the jets. it is very common that they use depleted uranium. some international and most ex that's, you know, a humanitarian uh what it, what goods, well managed to get into a gaza also made this accusation. but at the most important thing is that is an ad should lo expense into the gaza strip. so that they can do

a photo investigation with the really depleted uranium was used on you are the ambassador to the i a the you into the watch talk on new clear issues is indication that i is even interested to send people to investigate this, to what do we uh, we would read this issue officially with the a. uh, obviously the sofa is what it is not allowing anybody into gaza except some humanitarian aid workers. but it does all of responsibility as an observer within the agency. and also the responsibility of member states to ask the agency to send experts and to inspect those into gaza and to check whether really is it a, has used the depleted uranium and the munition that they've been using in

aggression against the gaza. to do the photo investigation on the soil on in the air. and so all of this is the responsibility of the international atomic energy agency. and one has been the response so far because this is not the 1st time this allegation is being made. it was made in 2009. it was made in 2014. some accusers ran in 2021. but this is not a new allegation of it. no, it isn't locked in your indignation a sofa. we haven't seen any action a lot. the only on the side of the international atomic energy agency, but on the side of the international community at large. but today we have a qualitatively new situation. you know, we, we are speaking about it genocide, about a vicious war that has been going on for 8 months. and so again, we're speaking about new quality that requires a federal investigation and intervention from specialize the international agencies

. what exactly is your acquisition? because if you had enough grounds and then obviously the i you, you would at least speak to this or, and when that so we, we, we don't have that conditions. we're just stating a multi fact a, it justified accusation. i would say, justified the accusation. you know, the amount of munition used exceeded the order the that month to munition use in the 2nd world war alone. this fact should trigger a curious city by the international atomic energy agency and the other specialized agencies to go into guys do the photo investigation. let's talk about to you, you say that in your, in your speech at the international atomic energy agency. you talk about the uranium. you also talk about the statements that have come from is really administers about the use of nuclear or nuclear weapons against the people of us.

it. why do you say that? because the, is it a minnesota of heritage? since very clearly that we should new casa. so this is the very 1st time that and is there any official is admitting that is it a is in position of the nuclear weapons. and again, this is the responsibility of the international atomic energy agency to enter the field. we've asked the director of gentlemen officially, the palestinian foreign minister have sent the official letter to the direct object of the and i am in 40 minutes to send a letter we that a group within the agency. we addressed this issue already in the board meeting. last november 2023. we had a is the issue again in various national statements in the board meeting in march

of this year. and again, we had a this initial again and this board meeting. now in june 2024. so we would keep pressing. we will keep demanding that the agency should interfere in that sense is what it has own, was denied that they are in possession of nuclear weapons. is it a, is the only country in the middle east that is not part of the team to the and non profit litigation agreement? is it a, is the only country in the middle east that not sign it safeguards agreement and put its facilities under as they have got system of the international atomic energy agency. so again, at why is the western world, it speaks a lot about the universality of the n p t at why shouldn't they?

but i said, is it a, is to be part of this agreement? so again, we see a policy of double standards, even on the 11th. but in between cigna trees, there are many, many countries who are not is not just is really which is not a signatory entity. your comments about these really minister making those accusations are, are making that claim. it was seen as a reckless statement by the government to suspended that minister. i don't think he was suspended. i have close to that then yahoo! and said that this, this shouldn't be taken seriously. i think nobody and no one saying this was what is the old thing that is it isn't position of nuclear weapons. so our demand is that is that it should be part of the entity. because at this, in, in 1995 there was that if you will confidence that in particular view confidence,

you know, every 5 years there is a review confidence and the out of countries at that time agreed to add that indifferent. an extension of the good agreement and the entity to or the united states gave guarantees that is it a m, should become, or when it become a states party to the in p t. so again, the americans did loc deliver on the promise. and we think that the decision that was made the 1995 is still valid on the to the and do we keep requesting that the international community should, on a, it's a commitments. another issue, there was a decision on convening a confidence on a middle east, free zone of next nuclear weapons this confidence. so that have taken place in 2012

until today. because of it, is it a little fuser which enjoys the backing of the americans. this confidence does not take place. so again, we have the policy of the standards. we have the policy of unjustified providing political and diplomatic backing to visiting. you see the dilemma of it, the international atomic energy agency is and we've, we've heard that from the d. g himself, that is really not a signal treat to the and b t and there's no mechanism that the i e, a can pressure, it is relative, become a signal treat. and then to the does, how do you think that they can ask israel to abide by, you know, the inspections are or nuclear safety agreements? no, no. here we have 2 issues in becoming a member is a member of the agents and the agencies at the slogan is at homes for peace. so basically, the agency is that to promote the peaceful use of atomic locally or uh,

energy. and we have that member states, which is right. and again, i know that the agency does not have the instruments to force. is it a is to allow for inspect those. but however, in advance that they have nuclear facilities, or what we're asking for is like any other country, is to put that facilities on the safeguards at a system of the agency. so if you have no clear facilities, if you claim that are peacefully use this for this not be a facility, what is the problem of putting your facilities on the safeguards system of that? so make on an energy agency. so obviously there's something wrong there. and again, like, and, or other international agencies and organizations in hold that quote and breaching and violating visual solutions and blows them and so on. so is there

it is becoming get that estate, this is this the effect of life from my perspective. so let's talk about the i is role in, in the middle east. we've heard a lot from the, i e, about iran. we've heard a lot about other countries. but the, our group and it said that you alluded to, has given statements after statements. this is not the 1st time that you are trying to get the i a to at least a right to israel, and that has not borne any fruit. why do you think these efforts should continue and do you have any hope that there is going to be any pressure on the other doctor? is real about what we should keep pushing. i mean, this is, this is the system, the international system that we have as long as we don't have an alternative, we should pursue our position within this system. and we'll be honest with you. the system is that obviously losing credibility. this sol coolant,

donor based and measurement system is losing credibility. the issue of gaza take the issue of gaza these younger generations that are taking to the streets the in the out. since 8 months. it smelt about the cause, sort of of palestine because it is becoming a symbol of injustice and the ability of the international, the circle drawn with, based in the nation and the system at to deliver. so again, i think we all agree that the system needs that, that could have the ability or the system needs to be at a store. and probably the system needs to beautiful and unfit is then we should continue using the existing system to using the existing mechanisms, knowing that these mechanisms are the system without teeth. so basically what we

had ending up to the is the system is a polar system. if you have power for you, impose fuel not power for your last. so let's talk about the out of group in the eye. you made a statement for the 1st time about article 7, chapter 7 of the united united nations, which talks about the use of military power or military intervention store piece. and you've got signatures or unanimous agreement on this from countries which are part to the abraham accords as well. how did you manage that? well, you should also ask these countries, but you would have mentioned in, in getting that. so there's support. so i mean uh, usually the procedure is that the group of experts that are presenting all countries convened together and presented draft. so the goals to them best of this, the council of out of them. so this and if there are objections and then it would be discussed and try to reach a common position. and in that sense,

the group that after the experts school that after this statement, it was distributed to or at a embassies uh with a, with a, a time limit of 2 days and, and silent procedure. there were no objections. and the so it is the official position of all that up countries. but this is interesting because it is for the 1st time that our countries have agreed to talk about chapter 7 of the united nations. but it, is it relevant for missing it at the i e, where this is going to be just a statement. it's non binding. it does not call for any action. it is happening here in vienna, but not happening either in geneva or new york, where it really might as well every country presents positions that i'm not necessarily going to be a effective, a lot of flight,

but never this. we have to make the position. and this is the position of the, at a group and in vienna basically saying that we have a situation that is fattening international peace and security. and this requires, according to the child to of the united nations invoking photograph 7. so now with that, it comes to this, whether this is eh, this is the right place a to, to present. this is a different question of never that us, we have to make the position, we have to mobilize public opinion out on this. so there's been a lot of criticism off of our group in general and neighboring states in particular by people in palestine off not doing enough. and do you agree with that, and do you think that arab nations are doing what they can? well, each,

each country has its own circumstances on, on interests that almost necessarily identical all of the out of emphasis. we have the position, the joined the joints at a position is we need a comprehensive ceasefire. we all agree that that gratian should end, no tubes is a tool to the man in gaza and to have a frame. busy for the political solutions that would lead to it to states for the ocean. do you think there is a blame or are part of that blame that resides with palestinians who control gods and the westbank is better because it has never been in the, at least in the last few decades. sort of, you're not limited. and you've had a senior position as well. you control as the palestinian authority, the west bank, then how much has the closet. and there is no joint partner, as israel has been saying, who can represent or palestinians,

whether it's as long international leave. that is, that is one that address uh for the, by the sign. and this other, this is the palestine liberation organization. this is the sole legitimate, the present, the cnn people. as you know that's we declare to the state. the state has the medical mission of more than 140 companies in the world that are present, that this over the state of the art and on. so these are, this is the policy that, that it presents for the students. and the word should talk to this spot, the fact that we are the why the, this is a fact about and this is an intern simeon issues that shouldn't be sold into. and maybe so this should not be used as it predicts the old struct or the, any political process. but that political process, especially in the case because it is going to start with a cease fire. and as i understand, you're not a party as, as the p a, a,

to those to go see actions. it's being done with him, us, and israel, but a number of interlocutors. that's true because we have lots of part of the fighting that is going on. and, and gaza, we have no influence over the position of thomas visa v. the issue of a ceasefire. yes, that's true. but does that not make you it relevant to do the entire entire case of the, by the same people know, because when it comes to a political solution that the war when ultimately and what counts really is, what is the result? what is the day after this uh, was we or say we need a path that would lead to if i an independent palestinian state, it passed with a will with a well defined timeframe. now this wouldn't be negotiated by the bill by the

state of palestine by the just a minute, but it's to me and leave this. how much hope do you have that there is now a sort of a propose and again, on the table you've seen from the us administration that there is a serious effort behind it. there seem to be moving towards the parts of a cease fire. do you think it is plausible because there's great allegations that you have and, and generally the palestinian authority has level the guess the state of israel that it is not a serious button. if a piece will definitely then not the serious part of peace. i mean, if we have, if you have a and is a leadership that is a publicly saying that the, against the 2 state solution. and then definitely we don't have to partner on the coefficients on those of a side and meaningful political process. can only start if we have on the other side lead the shipping. is it a, is that agrees to the 2 state solution?

i don't think we're going to sit down and negotiate with. is it a with that we have that i pushed it towards or not? no, this should be given. we shouldn't negotiate how to reach that. so for us, from our perspective, the final product is what would be fine. it's an independent listing and stayed on the boat as of 1967 for the 1967 board. do you really think that it has a reality of given what has happened since 1967 in the west bank and gaza and what is happening in the cause of today? do you think that is still a viable solution or is it time to think of other alternatives? i know it is difficult. i know that everyone who knows that the on the ground, the magnitude of is a aly uh, hold on is in the occupied territories. knows how difficult this is. however, i think if it is a political will on the sides of the international community, this solution can be imposed. one of the most important developments of the last 8

months is that is, it is gradually ceasing to be the darling of the international community. is it a, was own, was 3 to as if the, with above the little it today. this is changing. the fact that you will be in countries including a new member states, the article, nice thing, the state of palestine is one proof of this new situation. we see a very dramatic change in the public opinion. how is it a is viewed? is it a, is managed for a long, long time to present itself as a victim? today, the public opinion to, to a large extent, looks that, is it a, as the perpetrators not only in europe, but also in the united states. we have a young generation that sees, is it a, is as

a country that is committing genocide. now you see there's a, there's a major difference between state policy, you nation states and the sentiment on the street. yes. you might have a blip in the radar of support from, from various sections of society. but that, that does not mean that the position of many states are, most of israel's allies have changed our is going to change this in democracies. western democracies are built a lot, i don't public opinion. of course, we don't expect political parties or ruling party is in the west and was in the global north to change the van opinion. however, by growing of this, you know, public opinion pick on will take an order. but let's talk about this country where you are. i based in austria, is i've been in the streets, have spoken to people,

they were incompetence which are taken out. and they were protests which were broken up and that public sentiment, there's certainly no porting on the street now as it was a couple of months ago as this, that's through again us to be a is one example of a, you know, one of the few examples i would say worldwide, where we have a government here that has a strong pro. is it in a position? but let me tell you something. i remember when the 1st and most ations took place of the, the aggression stopped. it begins garza and most of the participants in this business . the most solution used to be, you know, us to be and of funding origin or uh, out of sort, palestinians or muslims. this has been changing, but there's also a change on the political front. you're seeing the rise off the right thing. parties across various countries in europe coming to the forward is europe in union

elections that are coming up where there is a majority that is expected to come from the far right parties in europe. so how do you think that the issue that you're saying is resonating with the masses is going to resonate in the car doors of power? when look, we come out of really generalize uh, we have to see this country by country for spit in spain. we have a more sense of the less government the same in i love the same in slovenia, previous governments. in sylvania, for example, was an extreme rifling government. today we have a sense of left a government, so we cannot really generalize about europe. and in general, however, the eyes of an extreme right wing it has to do with the fact that, uh, you know, it is related to the waves of immigration from the middle east to you little.

so they use this to mobilize public opinion against what they call the effect of the if somebody's ation of a futile 2nd ex 3. but i think political parties have realized in order for them to be accepted, they should be loyal to his faith. in essence, visa and tie sympathetic parties. and since that i'm facing me think about this. however, politically speaking, the other big supporters of isn't it because they think internationally, they will be accepted if they have pro. is there any positions? if i, i remember 2030 years ago, but i twink parties with friends of the at ups. i remember here your kind that you visit that something i'm saying if is, if it got duffy, he made statements strong statements. i guess is that his very the same party to

the is one of the biggest supporters of, of is it, is they issued once even a statement saying that we should remove, wishing to move the embassy also going embassy from tennessee to jerusalem. so again, they, it, but if you look at the political program, if to that history that on this in mind. so again, it is a political tactic by this part is to be accepted and to mobilize against a, you know, immigration from, from them. but there is so again, so we do see that's what it all was that eyes of extreme by doing the parties at however, i think we see it. and so tim comes is also the rise of the lifting, lyft oriented political parties. and we're coming towards the end and let me bring you back to the i e. the threat of israel's, the nuclear issue. that you,

you say that israel is now admitting that it has nuclear weapons based on the statement of funding individual. but it does seem to still have the support of its partners. we're not going to pressure israel into accepting any of what your demands are. leads to where does the i e r, the international community. why carry on? what's the point? again, like to be silent. many people ask on of, of why, why continue with raising this issue over and over again with hasn't resulted in anything you've not been able to influence the director general of the 2 issue at least a letter to israel. your logic is if we don't have the ability to implement resolutions that are binding, then we should stop presenting that up to solutions to the ones that go to take on

. so no, i think this is the wrong approach. my question was that if you've tried this approach, it has not yielded results. is it another approach? maybe if there's something else that you can do because it hasn't worked and it is unlikely to work in the near future? no, because a, as long as we have this public constellation in the worked as long as we have countries like the united states that are providing protection for the is the end. obviously we're not going to see change. i think countries act according to their interests unlocked according to what the international little says. but again, we have no one alternative to this international and system. my answer is no, we don't have. so we should continue, you know, using the instruments that we have knowing that these instruments

have their strong deficiencies. i've never that as we should continue to keep using them until a bit of system emerges. investors a lot of traffic. thank you very much for talking to other there israel's war on gossip be coming in forever across the united states. why are the students protests for palestine being met with military style pressed down? white is by to insist on 0 consequences for israel in its war on gaza. the quizzical look of us politics, the bottom line. we don't simply focus on the politics of the conflict, is the human suffering that the reports are pretty brave, bullets and bombs. and we always include the views from all sites in india. illegal mining is having a devastating impact on an ancient mountain range and don't local residence. you

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