many percent, and we're still not doing anything about it. understanding the reality plays that floated reporting from the ex. whatever happens next to the university have already made history out as soon as teams across the world bring you closer to the house at the story. a list of shame, israel added to a black list of countries, home and children and was lashing out that you and in response it says as well as all me is the most moral in the world. so how does that stand up given the thousands of children that killed and it's ongoing war ongoing? so this is inside story, the

hello there and welcome to the program. i'm laura kyle. the united nations is set to announce the addition of israel to its black list of countries and groups who have violated the rights of children, joined, armed conflicts without any action will be taken will be up to the un security council. some say at the very least it could put more diplomatic pressure on as well. would that be enough to bring about? we'll change. we'll put this to a guess in just a moment. the 1st this report from image and came 15 size and children dead. at least 12000 injured and around 3000 with legs amputated. the search the children are reported to died from starvation. and 1100000 are at risk of malnutrition. who indulge though, since his real quick on his will in october 2023. in an annual report, the un secretary general antonio terrace is not audit, is ro took labeled blacklist of countries of homes and abuse children during on the

complex the decision on good israel. i'm after the shop and discuss that by the shameful decision of the secretary general. courtney, you know this is rose. army is the most more of the army in the world. so this immortal decision with only 8 good terrorists. rewards from us. the only one who's blacklisted today, the secretary general, whose decision since the war started, and even before our rewarding terrorist and incentivizing them to use children for terror acts of quite a bit of israel has also angered the un. a spokesman said he will show, i will stood, i'm positive, a done, at least parts of a recording he made of a courtesy phone call by the un to form is relative to the decision ahead of the release of the reports in bassett, or, or don's video or recording of that phone call and the partial release of that recording on twitter is shocking and unacceptable. and frankly,

something i've never seen in my 24 years serving this organization was going to, i'm positive to the un is welcome to israel's addition to the blacklist who and you've been secretary, antonio canteras's annual report to the security council, refers to the killing, may, may not have 8 access targeting of schools and hospitals, but the report has not been made public. the exact accusations is real, faces are not clear. the list is known as the list of shame. i see her on russia and have gone to stone who been named, but this is the 1st on the israel was pre see mentioned to the report for carrying a grave rights violations against children. the security council has responsibility for deciding action to take once the countries include on the list, but israel is already likely to face further reputational and diplomatic damage. in the international court of justice, already accused of genocide and garza,

and using stove ation as a weapon of who i mean and prosecute is an international criminal court file seeking warrants for the rest of prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and defense minister, jo, i've gone over alleged will crimes the head of own was felipe loves a reading, describes israel's wrong cause a, it's a warm children, the childhood and the future. yet it continues in full full, kimber out 0 inside story. the. well that's bringing, i guess now and from pen the in mozambique damien, that a full my head of the protection division add on with the un agencies of palestinian refugees. o. damon is the founder of n r a. that's the instructional network for age, relief and assistance. she was in goals in april, but joins us today from stump. bull gideon levy is an older and called this is

riley daily paper. her reps, and joins us from london quite to have you all on the program. today or a, this will, has been called a will on children, a war against children. what is your reaction to as well being added to this blacklist of countries that homes, children as well in the context of this very much being called the war on shoulder and right from the get go. it must be said, it is not entirely surprising, although highly unlikely to make any sort of of a difference. and when we talked about this being or on shoulder and we're talking about it, not just in terms of the physical sense and terms of the sheer number and scale and volume of the children who are being killed and injured. but also in the sense that every single pillar of stability that exists in a child's life has been completely and entirely arrived, catered to steal away

a child's capacity to be able to even remotely feel safe, is deeply traumatic. and then to have these constant daily triggers and trauma that are just reoccurring, compounding, pain, compounding, fear, compounding, hunger, compounding, even the most basic thing like the ability to, you know, go to the bathroom or, or be able to, you know, turn around and know that your parent is going to be there to be able to reassure you. i don't really think that we have a full ability to understand it just how deeply devastating this is on a child's side. well, we will revisit the impacts of this will on children inside guns at a later in the discussion festival gives you and i want to get an idea of how is re lease, have reacted to this decision. this next decision by the u. n. b is really

a boss of the, to the un. he's right, he's like, he's res, accusing the entire world and not looking up on them since nope. taking any accountability and the society and field trips at least in such a denying and brainwash that nothing can penetrate sheets and the immediate d. u unit takes on the world, not only by the bus. so the pregnant is the whole claim that day is what has the most more. i mean, the word i can think about that more say that said the said the joke and then base in those days especially. but it's not only about them, it's about the general feeling in these very society. the adult ever we do is just divide the do you have the right to do what ever we bought out to the atrocities on the 7th of october, and then nobody can stop us. and i didn't know which worked for you as well. and today it's, as it probably is, the site itself is run in the black league is by the u. n. using the black police.

and i'm just asking how many children did the u. n. q. and how many children did this right of king? and there's a better example of that is a get in the today when we've got these ready ami rescue in full concepts from inside calls are in the process, killing, moving a 150 people. that number is rising rapidly and yes, it is. well, we're just saying celebrations, nothing. we all have going to meet them in hospital. are you concerned that this news is going to drown out the news about the blacklist the, the ready? if the, the, the 1st of all the news about the black place, the order is more spread abroad than in israel, the media in the service of the patient and in the service of the war voluntarily. so does do anything possible to make these ladies feel good about themselves and not to bother them is old kind of unpleasant news. story for sure is ready to read

. our dicks it says to the release of the, for us to address, which is by itself, a great thing and they're very, every day for the, for municipal teachers rarely. but still now some others. but these one does not see the others. they me, and that's me all who said earlier today the some decision ways that, that new, delusional you and decision will change the fact that is really all me is the most moral in the world. is gideon says equals at the a sides. joe, what's your response? to that, i mean the thing to understand about this listing is, is the security mandates, is a security council mandate mechanism is makes sense how they're all strings, rules and procedures about how it should be implemented in the sense that suisse full potential people to be listed friday is also important. remember this by for

mass, and as long as you have a lovely being listed as well. so it's not as easy as talk with just one uh, i see where we are and it's, they're all excited to see just having done this. so to say that it is being done in some sort box re way is you know, to lose know, and i things you know, are going bad as it said in the, for taking the full. i says, no best timing has been attempts to list israel. i see that uh 50 as well on my list and then there was pressure put on the un, it's remove it. and if anesthesia made a final cause of the record. so this has been a long time coming in. i think it's welcome is simple, age is very well have additional impression pose is very increasingly isolated. so in that sense, yeah, i think it's extremely low. and you said it was pressure before to keep israel of the let's do thing. not pressure existed this time around and what form to that

take damien. so no, not his info. i always the head of protection. full unrest will be one of the agencies, which would constitute say to information a houston this mechanism. there are 6 credits, vice escapes children that's a permanent chases to potentially get and is this. i mean 2016, i think it was 700 shows and it was too many on the school's website and for the craziness i sort of put on the list. and then the last minute there was pressure that was put on by using the us government. i was to take on this. i think this time around. it wouldn't be, you know, a stronger either. any one, but i think would help you with that, since it's drawn, hooked pressuring this way, and every, now there probably was. but given that moment, you know, being killed in the uh, since this latest round of conflicts in both countries on the coming by this report

. i think it's just based on why that's such a compelling, a straight to be nice to this time around. so yeah, no doubt there probably was pressure, but i think no one would think that it would be justified know, being included if they hadn't been easily under law credibility, the back end isn't good. and i'm just going to ask why the is right in boss. so that get, that done, leaked and posted this un decision before it was announced. look from day one, the some buses or he's a being conducted the international real community. and noticed that you weren't only in the central committee spot, the big call and who's going to come bases. he's a boy edition or thinks about these next job. nothing but days and they would live kids. they would like kids when he would do all those really ridiculous breaks, which really have been better. smith and his riley and fame is in his reading. but that's the man and he's leaving soon. thanks ago to all of this seems to be no

indication from israel, but it's going to accept been put on this list even today i'm at the celebrations of the release of the captive. there's no mention of the cost to the palestinians. you're more than a 150 lives taken to release these 4 people you and gone to just last month. can you give us examples of what it's like to be the in the course of this will, especially as a child you know, it's almost impossible without having been there because you've seen, but you understand what it might be like when you're on the outside and then you get in there and you realize that we quite simply laughed the vocabulary to be able to adequately. it's twice as it is such a quest of people that right now, after the invasion, dropbox has been shopped into an even smaller dentist or a space. you go through the tents and camp for months in an area like my wife see,

for example, and every step you take inside anyone's 10 sons of a cloud of flies. mothers are moving, you know, limp and listless. babies trying to shove them 20 children are swarming around the begging for food, and that's not to mention those that you end up coming across in the hospital is words bad after bad of children. that had been an appreciated and i was just and kyra right now, but sitting some of the injured children that my charity, not a is working with. there was a boy who's like, had been amputated there was a nother 7 year old boy who was paralyzed from the waist down because dropping all of the largest in his spine. and he quite simply didn't, didn't speak any more. and his mother was saying that, you know, he used to be very tidy. he, he loved running around. i met you know, another child also that spoke of this. we're fake us for a bit. but it happened to him talking about how you want explosion happened. and, and the bottom part of, of the light came off and then just crawling,

trying to find help. it's impossible to find a child right now. that is not caring, some sort of extraordinarily deep trauma. and we also have to keep in mind that this isn't the sort of, you know, war zone where something traumatic happens. you know, a bomb goes off or a fire afraid the rocks in your neighborhood. and then at some point in time it ends. and there's an ability to sleep, to safe space that doesn't exist. and children, speech and rhetoric right now that no child should ever be using in children are highly aware of the fact that their childhood has been taken from them. their safety has been taken from them and their future right now. it just doesn't really start shifting in direction is being taken from them as well. it is impossible not to have an emotional reaction as you listen to all one hair, the stories of those children suffering in gaza. to what extent is rainy's head

those stories? laura, what can i tell you? i'm really speechless when i, when, when i, when i talk to my fellow is riley's, there is no for any emphasis on that front experience ever since the 7th. so hooked over or guys out there or east. you cannot penetrate this. i, i try in many ways and it's adult in federal. it's not the only george wing goes, don't be wrong. it's interesting sergio. is when we some exceptions, obviously, but very few who cannot see that people, graphs as human beings and cannot even see that show the gaza is human beings. it's part of their yvonne show that punishment the guys out of there a bunch of is, are the has to put on gaza and, and guys and will come out as because those student have nothing to do with what's going on. and you mentioned now why the pc by to today, why is read any price is legit there. make any price guys, or could be any prize?

and these ladies will not show by anything and we're not feed any empathy. and by the way, it's almost been the by laws to show any embassy is ready, but his finances early citizens will try to pay some kind of embassy and the over guys in the, in the social media web taking to investigation these 2 cases were taking 2 journal were fired from the world, including academics. damian, if the children of gauze, uh, not seen as human beings, when we see the types of mass. because today where more than a 150 people were killed, including children. as this rule continues, as lee is waiting on a close in on the hamas leaders and the remaining captives weights are a 120. do you see the killing intensifying blacklist or no

blacklist? well i think we'll know what we want to see a ceasefire, and then it's of the sizing as soon as possible. and i think it's really difficult on hearing. yeah, the tuesday now, i think it's difficult to keep her for the end of the day. so i was the one day that will be accountability and this is liz. although i might see vice a might have develop on say it might be seen as it been as quickly overtake. it is another reason for accountability. we've seen the price that splits the into the national courts of justice. we've seen that a price. so the i c. c. this is an accountability mechanism. i need to know the code fresh strongly. it's brittany authorities, them and i said, you know, and time to come and provide that kind of information. so actually that will be justice. one thing i think important to, you know, be mindful of this list as you may remain is on the list and send you

a demonstration, ashton, to address the concerns of the brain race. and there's probably no intention of these by the government in gauging and dive up with this mechanism to take that kind of basis to remove it or at least go on a day. but then they use the idea, remain the least until the items and services will ensure it will come back as a a news item, and that's this. it will continue to code crashes. so in that sense, yeah, i think it is important development of justice and time to come or what, but of course that's going to be too late for the children that you've been talking to all the children of gauze or you've also been speaking to children. you've managed to escape the people in cairo, for example. can you now give us an idea of, of not just the immediate impacts of this war, but the long term consequences of this will for him, maybe justice in the future,

for as well might have some positive impact. yeah, you know, when you talk to children right now, the thing is the thomas still ongoing, even for those who have managed to flee, because more often than not, they're fleeing with one guardian. and maybe if they're lucky, a couple of their other siblings. but we're talking about families that are entirely split apart. so an example is, you know, one family who i met, where the mother is out with her injured son to younger siblings. but then her husband and her 2 other older children are still stuck in dogs. and she's torn between, you know, on the one hand that she's pray that her son, who's out of gauze or for treatment is going to be able to walk again. or does she prayed for the safety and security of her children and family members who are still inside children? her calling her every single day saying, mommy, why did you levi's and mommy? when are we going to see you again? and how does she ever even begin to explain that to them or even to herself,

i have met a number of children who quite literally lost their capacity to speak. we have to remember that, you know, it, children don't have the sort of vocabulary to be able to articulate what they're going through. although that being said, the vast majority of adults are highly incapable of articulating the depth and breadth and scope of, you know, sort of before and, and the psychological obliteration to this is causes them individually as well. and when we're talking about interventions at this stage for children, because the trauma is still ongoing because that triggers are daily. there really isn't a lot of work that can be done right now. of course, the great risk is that these sorts of trauma has been calcified within an individual, especially within a child. and can be severely debilitating as a child is trying to grow and mature and become an active member of society to get in as, as well as further isolated on the global stage with its inclusion on this list. the 1st democratic countries to do so it's, it's long as idle for

a terry in way. james and terrorist listed terrorist groups. how however, has it united people within israel, windows? the government is highly fractious though people threatening to leave nothing. y'all who's coalition, we've got benny guns, was expected to announce his resignation today. do you think however, that this outside action only serves to bring his way to meet us together? support the 7th of october broad days where it is together. and from then on we have only one opinion noticed that there are no police to come the 1st and the color. and we arguments that many and out demonstrations, but pay attention to validate, demonstrating for they are demonstrating only against that. then you know the demo and the only way to get to read the fam, easy way to return back to become at 5 dies,

which is not true. as for releasing the hostages, we choose by and said, we're only good, but nothing about the war. nothing about the crimes of the war. the razor wanted to warn agreement, and he is a very society that easily has the right to do with every day that our state months . and this we have to think is a fact. that's the tools, and it's a very, very depressing chose not only about that, but experience also about the nature of these are the society that when you talk about this list, potentially holding israel to account in the future. in the more immediate future though, we've got to have sex with dental and tentative guitars, sending the list to the united nations security council. they will then decide whether or not to take action with the u. s. veto. will anything happen that so the way that this thing works is the 2nd, the generals reports makes the list of all banks,

his masters full says the proposed to be listed by a 60 general it'll be the bases. and then the base of this will that will come in on by ram will be refresh the dates, i just use this to defend a solution. and in this case a, so that will be the most uh images to may set to wow. and so the lease now whether they think it's taken up by the security council. his so security council is obviously showing. and so not being able to take any specific action on garza but he does ask the, the many tools that we've been is a more robust action of the kinds of stuff the he could say. so nice. and so it comes with use to put more pressure on the different mental security council to take action. all of that to what extent to palestinians within goals and david occupied westbank around the world for what since they recognize that all global

efforts to isolate as well, hold that accountable for the war crimes and the actions inside garza, do they recognize it or do they feel abandoned you know, i think on the one hand, they do realize that perhaps the dynamic is different right now. and that is largely due to the fact that, you know, gods of store is not just being told through the lens of, of the western media. and the western media is quite frankly not permitted uh, in regards to by israel that mislead through the lens of gardens themselves. but there is a sense, yes, of abandonment. there is a growth sense that everybody could be doing a lot more because despite the fact that there is a recognition that there is, you know, a greater broader and bigger movement of right now. it's quite difficult for anyone who is inside cause or right now to comprehend how it is that all of these entities other than pretty much, you know, the us a number of western countries in israel itself. how is that the rest of the world

is incapable to bring about an end to what is happening to them? because beyond the bombs beyond the destruction, just the, the sheer fact that there is not a greater effort to try to somehow get more humanitarian aid inside. medical supplies inside baby diapers inside. despite the fact that there are these atrocious her birthday numbers when it comes to the dead and the injured you also have the spread of color, right? you have this part of hepatitis a you have this part of communicable diseases. i mean, it is impossible for anyone inside because that were even in the west bank to understand how it is that there can be no such thing desire for this to end. and yet such is an inability to actually not even ended, but just in the slightest begin to ease it. well on that note, we will end on the discussion. all right, damon, many things indeed for joining us along with damien lily and get in nancy and

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