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hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's a. then the african national congress is galvan south africa since the end of apartheid in 1994. but the poverty of nelson mandela lost its sweeping majority last month's general election. it's now being forced to share power with political opponents of the days of co creation tools. so what challenges lie ahead to make this new partnership work and with anything change for south africans who are bringing on guessing the moment. but 1st, this report from laura on march 8 was crunch time, the south africans president 0, run the post. as parliament's convened on friday, he'd finalize the toyota film a coalition government of the days of torques. his african national congress has been the most popular policy for 3 decades. it still is bolts for the 1st time,

lost its outright majority in last month's general election must not dialogue that should lead to a social compact. one of the major challenges, unemployment and equality, poverty facing south africa. the cape towns convention center has to be preparing for the 1st setting with a full 100 men, but national assembly bought for from the political elite. it is in, townships like book like the sort of change the ballot skulks. there's no infrastructure. there's no to the electricity is cut off and the liking that adults is not the right south africa has been struggling with the sluggish economy and has one of the highest unemployment rates in the world. many in the township sol, hope and former president jacob soon was new policy known as m k. it's game $58.00 seats, but zooms said he would fully caught the 1st poem and resisting claiming the votes

with rigs. president robert pose had given an open invitation for all policies to join the coalition zullie nationalist in top of freedom policy. with one of the 1st join. we wouldn't buttons to page in the government definition of unity for the sake of our country. and for the sake of our port center, right, democratic alliance game, the 2nd highest number of seats, bonds, the font of economic freedom flight of said it would not join the coalition with the t a. we reject this government with able to think it deserves for as long as it points in white supremacist. it points in i've done that adult. it's now going to be a big job to bridge the ideological gap between the coalition policies. i'm deal with white so many in the country, lost confidence in the a and c, nor homes inside story. i'll just share of

what i was bringing, i guess. now that old joining us from south africa we have in johannesburg, pauline backs africa program deputy director of the international crisis group in pretoria, lockheed my table a c o of the sink foundation. and then get back in the east and take provence on gum. and tim, lecture and political analyst at nelson mandela university. welcome to all, if i could stop. then with pauline. so 1st of all, how much of a seismic shift is this? pauline, what we've seen in, in friday's parliamentary session with, for the 1st time one policy does not have. and that will allow me majority. yes, absolutely. is the democracy. i would like to know the size of a government just nationally used before actually between 19941997. well, so the guy from the party was part of the guns. and what we're looking at today is

accomplishing. that's not mean there's a coalition, is a government national you can see and it has the partners now and some smaller parties may join. so very interesting to see how that's gonna work out something foley and it's a bit different from 1994 because of the number of seats. the amc has this time. right? yeah, absolutely. of course, you know, the price you'll become team as drop down to 40 percent. so if i share the positions with the numbers and our team members, so it is much more unique as it has been in us. and it will, we subdivision of our so say no power. so c o n d c, barclays, all the tools are comfortable. so i think this set up receive today, i guess how does the musical partners will be more comfortable in the future?

let me take it to on gamma and i'll ask this question, how much of a shock to the system is it that the election of a president and the 1st a session of parliament off the an election is no longer entirely purely just a formality. it is a big shot. so it has taken 2 weeks to determine whether the can be a successful election of in the amc president. remember, the issue says buttons to manage all position parties that are coming together and i've had to find each other in order to guarantee that when they will come to the national assembly today, they would like to speak and they will be elected president as well as a deputy speaker who can be able to return to, to, to cause

a new part of the country. it's taking a lot because you both intend to be within the amc, the whole position for this move. because remember i do logically, it's a plus checkbox. acknowledge i send divide shift for the agency, whereas the agency and so has the got it and says as a disciplined false, often that mostly with a sense has the policy sent on after this the policy out. so that we're able only this morning by the way, to have both the main opposition or let me say yes, main or position the democratic lives confirming that today's announcement with the n c. and the amc, much later confirming that they've got this agreement. it shows you how much of a saw a shop to the system. it was and out difficult to blast to actually have these totally accept that. this is the way for it that they want to present it to the country. okay, let me bring in lucky and of course we're talking now and recording this as pile

them in is meeting but won't do make. so file of house move lead the process of day one is going choosing the president choosing the speaker, the deputy speaker. there was some concerned about whether details deals will be flashed out in time. what do you make of it so far? think to look at the, the instrument type 2. i see mentioned in south africa it's a consensus of the establishment. the go hasn't been established then we should never return to the country. as most publishers doesn't establishment, that is the little thing about this publish mode to split the inside of interest to you and have those thought today. going to form a couple of men that position themselves as an alternative to them. so what is the process of being able to move on the site

and go the next level unit and i want to make it clear this government of elections . i mean, it is not the same as the one that had, but the mentor mentor and but most of them on the wall was hoping to get by then i could have maybe just put in the constitution, the constitution of the bank and bank. so the. busy application to the government, the much, nothing to do. the dog is illegal, an open kitchen doesn't mention that it didn't cause obligation, but political parties to get into the bus and that you need to continue your company for because of the time period of the moment is the most pain. waiters all, and amc has so much $100.00 board which is for the most part that comes up. the thing is the printer to present the lancer's been printed packaging combined, but this is the time of the visions, the time. oh,

my loading my brother to pause to be headed by loudly. well, i want to get into the quote room issues and the and k, and i'm in a moment button for oh i can see on demo wants to come in. i'll let you have a quick comment on this one on gum. yeah, so the pointed to excited to say move in to the big coordination music is, is different. the country was on a nice edge. if you like, when there was 2 big blocks that we had come, pay me to central office after the election because i'd love to get a blog that styles. it says, but it's the kind of left is the blog. but that is truly been in power for the longest time in the democratic good and business function on its own. now it's actually coming across as though it is a leftist blog. even deduction goes to what the to fee is. uh, as a black him is it dominantly back black country ways with the democratic alliance

could just, you know, be anti black comments policy i'll group. but these option b, as we can see from the evidence of the policies that have been put todd from these parties, none of them has actually stuck with that policy. i'll look at, at least as far as the agreement that pc is concerned. so right, so, so, so, so because i have to choose between i, that's an impression of potential good to go nets and improve in the state capture and motion that's done. says that styles and says as the kind of and all the time it takes, all right, we'll go go. we'll also get him to policy issues and what it means to the country in the moment. but i want to take a step back before we go that fall and take the question to pauline. what does today's session? what does 5 a session say about constitutional change? the constitution, the system itself, the ability of the amc to respect the constitution and transition have all being

tested and all past. the said today my interpretation of what time today is the sorry, 3 sauce of democracy, the calls of ac wanted to uphold the constitution. and it's very a g i c, which is how much does it cost you to so party in a sense anyhow, so most of the policy today should say things i'm not showing up and continue to is, is just for the license were raised. i think it's inspired so in a sort of near fees to happen for the end sheets have been able to put together it has gone just national unity in 2 weeks. have spoken with all the parties in questions including the k has to be. so you just reach out to everybody and they haven't boxed you come to the premiums, which until today,

nobody knew what was going to be. so if it's extraordinary, as usual, the oil and a sense of unity as desirable praise was reflections, are talking to the front of is resisting. mm hm. all right, let me, uh, take the question so lucky. the pulling mentioned the m k policies position, well they failed to the rail friday session. is this the end of it? or do they still have the potential to try and disrupt further? we're going forward. what see will take on it and the mess? no, it is got the n k by mid beginning of the mission and that's the purpose. it is not the binding of the restitution the test the election, but this house is not the web. do you want to upset? so get the testing that little covering because as we speak them on, then participated in the big the shuttle aspect. so aspect of the constitution that are happening in the country. i have not seen them before about

the position themselves as they haven't gotten older, meant to be more opposed to their constitution. contributor mc somebody calls additional on the also the call this model of what the friend is, the political up because of the few minutes i'm still difficult to come to the so i just wanted to clear the should not present. and can you hear me better? because i'm to close the additional the. ringback not do the, the, uh, delivery zip codes. okay. good, good point. lucky advocated that it has a problem. let me know that you did lose the majority, but i sense of the got the statement done and told me to say i cannot amended was intrusion unless i have the drug deductible, which is a good while and that is the highest. oh, spend 20 patricia. all right. and so putting a bit of the question of

a spotlight more on the political process going forward and precisely on that point and gamma. what does today's session on friday session? tell us about how different the process of ruling a country is going to be going forward compared to what we've been used to in the past. the 2 things about that. so not because a dominant parties is deemed in terms of which, if you wanted to decide to publish a direction of government programs on the one party was important. and also, you know, and the cost side of the consultation process is that, that we seen it says the budget member, the aims is a try peptide to lions made up of the amc or the santa a center left because of, of trade unions as well as the a, c h at the south african communist party. now you've added a pro market potty in that back so it's going to make things a little difficult as far as thinking about policy and programs are concerned just

on the books. we mentioned the government dose of africa, i signed into law a be left for the nation on the health insurance and the democratic alive bucks. now we partner with government in that process, pets, one to take that kind of process and challenge it in court and but as a oh so what does that mean? what does that mean and got a co it? should we expect more deadlock with the decision making process much more delicate? well, the, the a and e amc. they've been opponents for so long. there are on different an ideological and so different ends of the audiological scale, right. what are we going to see now with these? the 2 is the, the location of that difference outside of the nation. i left family to pa to pointed to kind of process is that going to be a complex process is outside of the assembly also because you've got these and you know, this and left allies of the amc also have to play

a role in decision making. but i think what we must have on the estimate is the potential to build things didn't cushions of the state. so africa was involved in what you would call and you can construct societies, both conflict with construction and then state building. and there was an onslaught on states institutions be the prosecutorial, or in fact, at the institutions of government which way, you know, which would've made it to be in the fab teams by creation of side to institutions. so i think that before that the full for that aspect stains is going to be both died and it's not going to have that internal position that was holding it back comes to building kind of the institutions. if we are to take the democratic lives in good faith as far as the upcoming tends to be able to institutions this concept,

maybe we should ask the question and take a slight step back and ask lucky, have all the details really being worked out for a government of national unity. how, how do you see the orientation of this government going forward or others still? question marks. i think if you, if we will accept a good practices better way before this issue of the government, the next money you need to obtain the so leslie bush is doing what we call the talk to them. sometimes the parents, we did some supplemental appearances where the president watched da da da p those the dislike in case we had to do a cooperation and was to work on that. i know of them. i could have been above the country to supply. we just look up the size that there was on the bill was a,

was back from the progress of the post bread. what's the best interest date when we have something called the demand kindly except a government the next the will be as for those, for as long as the city was in the what is it to be positive? probably in the 15 plus the charter a know got there already coming to do with the sup. uh that is the do do that. i repeat the didn't put me get the bill for the to the x. the answer is put in impala . man, it's one of the keywords for the video game, the 100 missions. i'm going to start the head. brittany limit is linda solutions, but the open positions to bring what they call them. that's beautiful. what brought so why don't separate in mountains. the kids are just getting to the higher ed.

returning back to mind control and brittany, brittany fall. there was a good idea. let's go through spectrum now before the one to have the constitution . and what is definitely a good represent, again in the past, that is what is going to be a new one issues. and is this morning i'm going to be i to let you go. and and we mind here the next the lecture arrived at the practice and the amc magnet. exactly. and for level stash in my little come to bed and the next election pauline is based. the government i'm just digesting now was lucky was saying. and i'm wondering, given what he was saying, is this really a government of national unity or simply a multi policy coalition arrangement, a marriage of convenience and the collision to solve. so there's a marriage of convenience and we can solve the differences,

but it's also the economy to a large extent that has large stadium company. but if he's anywhere economy, uh, of course, the centrist is much more to this price is much more conservative. how much the pro business if you will, the ac is not fine business and the agree, oh there's my assumption that they need to push for the gross. the economy has really been those and their kids were sold as a a service or of course the steps need to be taken to the car, the towel, calling problem. sorry. one second car or find use the other issue such as um, for the policy or that kind of thing,

i would expect the da as for the physical in order to accept the visual security, gone with the ac. apply like how you segue doesn't to talk about actual policy implications of this new government on gamma. what should we expect from this coalition, which is emerging in the 1st session in parliament on friday when it comes to key things like corruption, wealth distribution, the provision of basic services, unemployment and so on. so i'm going to say what i'm gonna say of bearing in mind that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. absolutely. and the, the, the, if you look at the west and cape and you compare it with the last of south africa as far as clean governance into the end of the pods from the or detention around the western cape, which is being governed by the democratic alliance. has been among the best

performing municipalities and of the provincial government departments when it comes to accountability and transparency. and then also that has been less real quick on the pulse of corruption. even the wisdom came come back to the rest of the country. now that hopper helps things to kind of do, do you think that the a, for example, will be able to move ahead on its promise on things like establishing a new chapter 9 institution to come back corruption and so on. so the n c was already on a trajectory off, and he building the prosecutorial aspects of law enforcement in south africa. and i think that to the mutual commitment without the political being held back by a fiction inside the amc, that was opposed to some of these because of the fact that the bar right to saw by the leader is going to be both aware of for the full force of africa by to say that

going to be without its own subjects. all right, we've got about a couple of minutes left and i want to try and squeeze in a question to lucky and ask this one. and to get a lot about domestic issues, what about foreign policy? it was well known, of course, the amc has a history of alliances and strong relationships with groups all around the world and forces left. this forces seen as m t colonialist forces, very strong relations installed to south africa took under the and c on the palestinian issue. is any of that going to change will be impacted by this new coalition that somebody searching? the steps i have to do because i've been dealing with you yesterday, the 2nd time and treatment and i look the is the has made it. yeah. you also have better reset the button. that means publish it on the dresser, is not going to abandon his function and have us back. but what the, what the weather should know is that this is position of the cars that have to pay

this time. well, extra, an interesting of, it's mentioned that it didn't because of the dates which mode is constitutional. all the books, additional of the head. see it says i want to kind of see all the grades. thanks. i bought all the goals, including the association and the law, so the cleaning of the children, and in casa and everything. it says it's something better to see when the saw. so this is model softball game. for example, the processing purely based on the relationship will be a whole bunch of supporting in, on the, this is of the good sense of the dental. so definitely don't have to do is defy the text message into those. right. which is, yeah. so that, that won't change even to give the president bush's dot integrated quite a bit,

send me all the functionality in terms of the battery goods. what should be the one by the attrition of sort of good go and there's no way the board is great. i do at case that i to live on the machine to the killing of children by the name of the people. and i guess the pause that is not going to choose something to happen, right. okay. a final one. the polling. does this mean listening to walk out of the guest on the show saying the amc. so going to cool a lot of the shots, of course because it's still the whole city is still the biggest part in the countries. um and uh, you know, the letters were uh, wait a whole sort of sense and, and this results we have today with the government does not show you the g shows to me and she wants to sort of dimensions as many as ways to solve instead of you know, getting more serious about 5 different options. empowerment governance as

governance records. um so i mean like for me, so we're fully on site for the policy. i'm pretty sure that the ac will retain this . i don't think there will be all positions for the d a. a finance is important for j. c. it has rated finance minister. so people like the same place and then in the a much i will have to show that to have actually gone nationally. you know, just in worst case might be, like i said, you look forward for you. so i have this by her showing up as a physical vaccine which, which is the vision with government. it's very hard to see the agent actually, this is all right, 5 routers. so i'm going to have to think a guess though, for an excellent discussion. thanks very much to pulling backs lucky my table and on gum a tim and thank you for watching it. and see the show again, any time by visiting our website, i'll just say a dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook

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