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hello welcome to the program. i'm tell mccrae french president and manual ma chromes move to hold us next parliamentary election is being seen is either a brave political decision or a highly dangerous gamble. just as the european parliament, the election result show, it has been nice on potty hammered by the found right. national rally. what chrome? the shots of the country with his announcement. his hope is that when the soon us begin, the people of france will reject the extreme rise. but in the woods of his ally and for the president nicholas the kazi, the risk is that they will confirm the anger rather than reverse it. if it is mccullin's decision could backfire and plunge the country into kyle's so how high the stakes and the selection for the front and figure it and will look round or the 5 right image stronger. when the votes accounted, we'll be putting those questions and plenty more to, i'll guess, and just a few moments. but this, this report from laura con, a quote to the middle and people on the streets of france over one weekend. their

response to president emmanuel mcmillan cooling a snap parliamentary election and to face down the searching for rights. some protests turned fine and split who saved message to unites to scope with policy winning tow it, and francis homeland security don't seem to somebody, but they all it takes is to people who didn't take part in previous interactions to do so they'll decide the last election so a 50 percent turn out to all of the french didn't vote. the popular mobilization is the key to fight against extreme right and to beat the extreme right. we say that the european elections mark the period after mccall and i believe that he is finished opinion polls show a country splits between the political far left and far right. president, stockholm, centrist when they, since policy is in 3rd place. and he's now the center of the political stool off to

his decision to hold a snap election front as low upon them into the national assembly has been dissolved. he remains present with 3 more years of his 2nd attempt to run well, but he could not ignore the new political reality. the rising popularity of the fall right in the corridor to stick them in pre to our goal is more to try to have a quick consensus, but perhaps we need to wait until june 27, 28. i don't want to 3 of the things that one was humiliated in front of european problem and selections, when there are a lot pins national ronnie, one more than twice the number of votes as his alliance, not his decision cooling, national election, it was phones is widely seen as a major political gamble, not just present policy, but the country the new shows and things are very simple. in a manual, my car will not have a majority. you know, it. we know it's everyone knows that he made a gamble that he has already lost because he will not govern with the right,

which has chosen to collaborate with the far right. a month, which is concerns in the european paul them in selection. immigration proves highly divisive. the nash, ronnie maintains a hotline empty integration message. the international monetary fund has urge from to take measures to cause its debt. that means the person in charge may need to reduce public spending or raise taxes. unemployment is also high. but the concerns that those has that usually destroyed elections and fronts may not be dislikes effective this time around. instead, they're just having to make choices on the grounds of political ideology driven by the rise in popularity of the fall, right? nor from the inside story. i'll just say around it spring, and now it gets. now joining us from paris is samantha dip into an associate fellow at chatham house and geo political come inside of the fringe tv channel,

lashan and phone in the u. k. capital sleep. nadia is a professor, a french and european politics at university college, london, and also in paris to whom he is an independent friends correspondent as well as the university lecturer. thank you very much for joining us here on inside story for life. if i can begin with you, i mean, the president's move has been described as russian roulette. can you just explain how surprising this is and, and to chrome, have any choice about to roll the dice here? a, it's a gamble and it's no understatement because when he came on on there last week on sunday to announce that we'd cool for us not protection new one. absolutely no one . so he's coming. we now know that is prime minister. i was only in the knowledge of the decision a now before you decided to go for that to tell he buys announcements,

so really kept secret, only a handful of the advisors discussed it. and so everyone wants taken by surprise, and it's a, it's a real snap election, you know, 3 weeks to get ahold of, organize nothing. my case, thoughts about that you saw that you would take is political opinions by surprise. no, to be the very divided left and also would take the far right by surprise because money looked and he's working, you called on getting elected. but in 2027 for the presidential election, she did not expect an election so soon. okay, samantha, how much of my crumbs personality isn't this decision? do you think the coldest snack collection? i mean, is this is a getting the better off in so well, a lot of people who work with matt, chrome, both on the foreign policy side and on the domestic policy side, say that one of his big problems is that he does not build a line and says, he's not a politician. he does not, you know,

being elected to any public position before he was became president. he's vine, to come to the life of the c i o withdrawn a company. and you can't do that if you are president. so he's not really good at building alliances within his own policy with other policies, just as he's not being very good at communicating with his foreign pot to apologize particularly on on policy regarding ukraine in russia. he is a loader, and this has been to see 5 other people ahead of us. again, his ego a react, seeing more, the full actually really thinking about the consequences of this choice. he really thought that the, the, the, the motivate lapland motor, it writes with riley around him, they would say no, we, we have the specs of the fall. right. and we'll do what we've always done, which is riley around the sort of stuff, just a policy. and, well, it's not happening here is the, the left is unifying, and you got people on the left, the radical different views on the problem policy,

for instance, they've come together. and on the right, you seen members of the republican party saying that they will actually join the national body. so it had a complete opposite as fact, instead of people uniting behind the presidential coffee, you had a real split of, of products into 2 extremes. the figures that how you say that he mccomb was trying to get a jump on those opponents by surprising them with this net selection but is actually on the galvanized uh the, the 5 rod and the fall lift at this point in time. yes, i think that's a great danger, so it may thomas, it, it really did take everybody by surprise not least, i think the, the national riley that had done so i one of the european elections just as a, came out just an arrow site before microns announcement on television last sunday, i've actually got a couple of the french sunday newspapers. a lot of my probably many of them come

out on sunday traditionally, but on the front page of a family. right. so excited to let you know the, the most show we have a picture of sol cosy. he was quoted, i think in the report that we saw earlier and on the left of center preview demolish. we have a false well on who uh, as we know, it was a former president just like soc cosy. and he's announced he's going to be standing as a candidate. so on the front page of the 2 main sunday newspapers, there was no image of my crown, the image of the pen, but what sort of, uh, forwarding to the past is it well, when we see the images on both the saw cozy and all alone? so the, that the press anyway on this sunday looking at what the tooth for my president. so i've had to say concerning the full coming problem entry election. so the

focus has been on what could happen. and would he possibly be a candidate for prime minister? i think that's the editorial content of the tribunal, the dean boss and the on the more writing paper did the march show salt cozy has a 3 pages, almost 3 pages, giving his opinion on the situation and essentially saying, but my chrome has probably not done the right thing by any means, it's quite remarkable how many twisting tens that have already been and because the campaign is so short, it really feels like this. going to be many more squeezed into the next couple of weeks before buzzing stats lead. can you just give us a sense of, if you think this is a generation to finding election, can you just explain how much is on the line here? and i think a lot is on the line. it's 6 truly important election festival. the 1st thing is in 3 weeks time, they might be for the 1st time since the 2nd world war

a far right government and process that that's new, small news, it's very important. it's not a don't deal. i think a lot of analysts expect the fluoride to top the election to we need but not get enough seats to have a, an absolute majority. in which case i can't tell you what will happen then. we will have to see but a so that's really important to the reason that explains why the last pods united so quickly within 24 hours. also they, they hate to detailed the most of them. they couldn't work together. it took exactly less than 20 flaws to agree on a common platform, which they wrote top uh within 4 days and to decide on the location of seats. by the way, it's not the fall unless it's, it's the last, you know, it's a very broad correlation. and it seems, we mentioned impulse, we're always part of it. so if possible, and all of these part of that electronic collection of the last, not the far left,

which is school popular from. and i think it's also a immense as the election in a sense that expects for the entrench realignments in french politics, for instance. uh, it seems to me is that the, the far right is not going to have sold a lot of the conservative right. i saw cozy, spotty, i like to re go, which is not good sort of become a fairly motional proxy. it's can dominate the right to the right side of the political spectrum. expect to see the central bulk of my co. my cool wanted to build a central block with a bit of glass with a bit of ride mold, red lights, and motor at the right. i think expect losses. in that case, that's idea. all of a sense of blog domain, aging french politics is also and it says it's the revival of the old clinic in falls left against right. which her cro fold very hard to, to,

to boys to council. i think it's coming back a following this. so the solution, submit the can you just give us a sense of what is it about the 5 rod the, the national rarely bit is so attractive to versus in france right now. and what would be the consequences if they are indeed elected here as well. this, this, all right, appeals to different people for different reasons. one of the, of the big running causes an end to immigration platform. and people in front saying that they, they fed up with seeing french culture beings to modify this wave of immigration. but they complain that people who come to foster integrate properly, but that is a big running calls to the fall, right, just being that traditional platform and they were a tradition 8 up to see. quite right. you said it's being a dentist, mrc a policy the, the found a strongly depend how, how did ran?

because i to choose the tools. the follicles was interesting now is that they have a very care attitude towards israel, which is running a little history, is people to this policy which have anti semitic rigs, which is quite to a very, very strange way of things to have things develop him. there are other people who are attracted to the far right because they are now appealing to, to the workers to full the communist spoke to the school in the fall and last night as a now guys the far right because they see them as being the only ones who defend those who are real stat, globalization, those who feel that your opinion is, is harming them. performance, who are not happy with, with your pin coming out the cultural policy and then who, what is being traditional solsbury? just a not moving to to the, to the far right is no longer the pa. 7 see all of right wing elite sort of fall, right? when unique's it is bringing together both extremes and was really interesting is,

is to that. i think it's really important. the city pointed out that this, this new part to the front is not far left. it isn't left the last policy, but because through all parts of the far left in this popular front people who was sitting on the status to fuel centrist. oh, now thinking of buying things to the, to this. so then there's a national, right, which is a warning development. so those who feel that the national valuable not have will not be the best choice bronze. because of the deception that some people have some of the more extreme positions at the far left. but the um, so its now broadening its attraction has changed its name from national front to national right. a because the republicans, some republicans have now joined the list and presenting joint candidates and starts and areas calling themselves the right wing. republicans. this potential the confusion as well, but what attract people who would never, traditionally,

folks to the, the national ronnie. okay. can we talk a little bit about this, this lift block race or a few 100000 a n t f r i protest is taking to the streets. uh, can you just explain how unified the lift are and what sort of difference do you think that they are? right, so you're going to be able to make what sort of guidance do you think that they could potentially pull out over the next few weeks? what if we look at the lights, this opinion polls which one of the sunday papers printed today? the quoted book, sort of the left, which goes from just left of center to quite extreme left wing abuse in terms of economy and politics. of course the, the last will is expected based on today's paul to get to 48.5 percent. and the rights which is good for the could not include the republicans around 45

percent give or take off the seat based on the so can you pulse and the and the warnings that is not 100 percent accurate as usual. and so right now it looks like it's going to be a hung parliaments with no particular group winning an absolute majority. but if we're going to talk about a popular front, which incidentally hawks back to the 19th thirty's, that was the name given to the lodge. the communist sent me a socialist and communist the alliance that was formed in, in france to combat the rising, fascist positive products and the, the more extreme hit flat, miscellaneous, improvises, in the 19 thirty's, the, the left blog because it was called the popular or the popular front so it was a hawk back to that's how a united all day while they have a history of division, they did form us. so a similar block, a few years ago for the last presidential elections a practice just over 2 years ago now. uh and uh,

they quickly dissolved into acrimony is arguments oft uh, taking the better seats in parliament. they did not have a any anywhere near a kind of a majority of cost macro and had to deal with various alliances and a minority government. so if they do well, how long will they remain the unified and this is where i think the fonts while longed has been played off by sent me left wing sympathetic newspapers. so saying he's some of that has the experience and maybe he could pull together or these try and keep a popular prompt i left broke a united a at least until the next presidential elections, which are just uh oh i know the 33. busy so also away, so interesting situation, of course it certainly is philip, i want to talk a little bit about to turn out. i mean less than 50 percent of registered versus

didn't vote in 2022. is that likely to be similar to the selection? i just want to get a feeling for how people feel bad about the election being framed and more audiological terms. rather than, you know, actually anyone talking about issues and policy. i absolutely, i think they will be a very, let's few tools. there's not enough much tool capacity about policies that we use it. you won't go into the detail of policy. there's no time so that you know, it's a, it's a short election 3 weeks. the 1st week was already taken away, you know, organizing, you know, lions alliances, location of seats. so there's basically 2 weeks left not to campaign. and when you see the type of alliance, which has been sets up really, almost overnight. and of course, each comp has a program, but i don't think the policies will play

a major role for chasing power immigration, europe. of course, all the, the seeds which seem to, to, to sort of come up all the time as the sort of the main concerns all the french people. but i think essentially it's a medical break type of election a, it's old. you to press my chrome, you know, which when for the dramatize ation of the selection, michael brake and a sense, do you really want us all right government, that's really, i think the big question which is good to frank votes as you know. and why is that? because seem pretty the fall right? has the political momentums has been going from strength to strength over the past? i would say not so it's yes and no one can same problems. we didn't see it coming. it's been gradual. and it's been the state of the rise state research and to the things the moments of truth. now it's the moments of truth because for the very 1st time since the end of the 2nd world. ready the far, wide good actually when the election. okay. and that obviously has why the

consequences not just the front but also for europe as well as samantha. what are those consequences and how worried is you are looking, looking on at what is happening in france right now, to what you're asking, how are people all of it depends how, how, how long as you consider your it to be. there's one country in europe, which is very worried about what's happening in fonts, and that is ukraine because president mccomb has been taking the last year very right both when his support ukraine. he's being one of the most a strongest strong support is a decree in the european union. i'm in fact in the west world, and he's, he says things that have surprised many allies when he talks about not rooting out french troops on the ground in ukraine. he's being very the sick or his and his desire to now even send me my spices a to me to come by at cost to ukraine. so i present zaleski and ukrainians for you. but my point is that strongest,

supporting your if you look at the national right, they have traditional links to most code, which i'm going to detail here. but there is a lovely to out the, on the past, no link between sites and impose and post personalities in the, in the far right. and also financial links between moscow and, but the national ronnie, jordan about that of the, the, the young man who with the tires to be appointment is the, has public to express. some differences on relations with must go with ukraine. leading was made to the marrying depend that marine depended as a very empty atlantis. as a point of view. you told him about that it seems to be moving a bit more tools, a maloney tight attitude, but all that means to be seeing because a lot of things can be said in the election campaign and, and the very different things can actually happen reality. so indeed, very,

very strong concern in ukraine. the rest of your opinion, well, we know about the ping countries. i'm moving to the rice as well. so there is no longer serious talk affected said as long points, the national around a we'll see is a policy that could potentially think about moving phones out of the do. and they say, well what, what the disaster has that has full and the u. k. since frank said that there is no longer the case, there are a few potential deputies of it that they're on the list. who could he do talk about price it, but that is not something which is that policy. they would probably have um, they would require certain things from brussels on, on, maybe add things. so you're paying like policies, the, the, the, sorry, sorry to interrupt somebody who was only, we're very, very quickly running out of time. and i've got a few other questions that i really want to get to pay to. i want to talk a little bit about briefly the young people in front of i know you're

a university lecturer. can you just explain what the feeling is among most young people were and how they getting their information from and is the really concerned about this information affecting this election? i guess that's i, i think that's a good point. sent me to some of the studies that are being conducted or some of the classes that are being late at the colleges study where i teach. and i'm sure most of the agendas and schools that are in products have uh on now looking at this election and outside interference site can use the social media courses. now, bye bye, for the main source of news. so many of these young students join with some students . they are aware of the issues, probably more than some of their peers a l. elsewhere. but it is a, a concern of course. and in fact, just last week, i was talking god towards the end of a class with some of the students who mentioned that they wouldn't be attending the

the n t, right wing riley will take some pictures here from the sacrifice riley and in paris . so some of them saying, well, not way way of, you know, we're against the far right. but that was one the female student to quite, you know, with no, no reservations whatsoever when boss the talking about the politic single situation . she said, well i'm, i'm going to vote for bump that up jordan baldwin and i said, well, why do the upgrade of his policy is what, what is it about him? but we'll make you both by him and she took the side while he's so good looking, you know, and a truth about that i is, he's just 28, just a few years older than most of the students. so i was, we have on that particular day, he said he tyler genic. he is the prompt person at the bottom of the or uh for the national riley. but if he becomes pregnant this other, i think we know who will be actually pulling the strings in terms of any government

led to by about the courses. yeah, maureen, memory left hand of course. yeah. yeah. i'm sorry. if i want to ask you about, you wouldn't bundle it as we hear there is only 28. do you think that he is the most likely person to become the next prime minister to i think it's on the cost. i think it's been publicly said already should the slot right. when this election above the law will become a prime. in his steps, the pen isn't interesting to the job because it's a, it's a hall job. you all the prime ministers. it's next to you. the president, you have to deal with the president's and in that case, the french call it corporate us. you only means a president from who doesn't share your political views on policy. so the president will won't be the ass switching nicely to, to help the government. so it's a bit of a, it's a bit of adventure for the pen was looking at as the big prize of french politics the presidential election sits. so she will send or protests. she bought a lot too much in your a, the,

the place. so it for the prime minister if he wins. and the question about bobby a, it's a big question mark is that the guy is totally untested. politically, he's 28. e is done a ton in the european public. mentioned brussels of hardly seen by any one didn't really participate in the debates and, and policy making that is being related to the on sunday. that's whole, you know, easy is very young is on test data. suddenly this one will be compartment and stuff . yeah. it's a minute that we've got time for one very last a quick question and answer. do we have any idea at this point in time? how is going to play out or is this all completely up in the i think is quite often the. yeah, i saw another um opinion polls day in news, a call which showed that it would be then we would have it on 33 percent of the national valley and 25 percent of the the from i think the thing is going to be tail say i do not think that my health policy has any chance of having any kind of

significant representation in the national assembly. and it's going to be um, it's going to be a benefit rather customer for the next 2 months. and we may oh, but as well that sir on his hips. well, we will be keeping a very close eye on how things play out there and from samantha sleep. and peter, thank you so much for joining us here on inside story. we really do appreciate your time and your insight into this very fascinating topic, but thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website. that's l, just air adult, calm and full for the discussion. go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. you can also join the conversation on x. i'll handle is, and i, j inside story. but for me, tell mccrae and the whole team here. good bye for now. the

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