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hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's a, that is of study for more than 3000000 students in india have come to nothing that's not down to them. failing exams because of a fe, the in the nation's exam system is the entrance exam papers. so top courses such as medicine and page. these have been linked all sold exams that students had post, now been declared invalid and we'll have to be re taken 5 minutes then to render. moody's government is 5, the official in charge of the examinations agency, but it faces a major test of its own to restore confidence in the system. so how could this happen? and what's the impact on india and this young people will speak with the guests in a few moments, but 1st is lower hon with the background fury on the streets of new delhi over an examination system in k of students have been protesting since widespread cheating

was reported in state exams with papers being leaked in return payments with an unusually high number of people scoring 12 months. the national testing agency runs the system is being blamed to mind that we demand that they'd be an inquiry with the supreme court's intervention. the national testing agency must be disbanded and the ministry must be, as all the exams affect students seeking inches to state universities for medical school and ph. d programs. they're furious. the use of study exam pressure on stress the effectively be made worthless breath. you're asking the education minister to meet your per done to take this money. i'm a to now future back to us. and some students, the taking legal action students really don't know what to do. the actual people have people have petition the highest for these concrete. this will be important because the country, the government is fine to say that they are formed in choir to come and see, but then quantity, how much is it bought? these companies in 2 months?

it's nothing to use 1st scans low for exams, but it's the biggest complaints to be lots of this year about corruption surrounding entrance exams. the government's jobs with many applicants losing out to those with money and influence. the government says it's taking action prime minister and run to load a set the agencies head. some exams have been cancelled, and several people arrested all tell them when it was clear that with his paper on the doc net matches the original paper, we decided that they should be a high level central bureau investigation. inquiry on the matter. the scandal is putting pressure on bodies newly formed government, just not that his b j. p. last is outright majority in the general election that ended the celtic june. many protest as an students are riding with opposition policies, claiming an unfair system of control and corruption at the time when they also angry about how i use unemployment and poverty. the youngsters in india simply have

no way to and it's not just the educational crisis. it's a crisis and pretty much every sphere that we're facing, who's hoping to advance that careers through education elect, not knowing when the next exam will be, know when the scandal will be resolved, nor comp inside story onto 0. the all of i guess already new data today and side biology is a form of president of the joint ha, now through university students union kit on bossy is a senior visiting fellow at the sense of a policy research specializing in education policy and survosity. the scope to is a senior reporter at the why, who focuses on politics, policy, and governance, if i could start with survosity. so how could so many tests be potentially

compromised, so many times and such a scale? and that's really the question that's in front of the government as grades and some of you because this is an unprecedented crisis that we're facing in india entity, vera national exams, which will only have conducted on a stimulus community full of assign movie and use the for yours, this, i'm guessing that there's a complete failure on the 5 of the government in conducting these exams. and well, watch people as placing back to is some nations new testing agency which is encrusted with of the duty to conduct these exams. back in 2018 non chapel, it's in all the national that the agency according to our right to information of no guide to information or data that has come out of credit that's been submitted in the right way. information crazy has reviews that the chair for us, and he was appointed for us to do the for the states public service commission on

the recommendation of the art says, which is the id cards post dated all the 9 vision on the b, 2, b and subsequently he has been appointed to separate out the public service commission head, including the union public service commission that overseas the bureaucrats, that ira conduct examinations for bureau. that's a, at the center level in india. now that head has not really even now despite so many irregularities that have come out, not the just in the a d which looked into the medical examinations, medical entrance examinations, but also the next exam, which gives the entrance exams to do new research, federal chips as well, as assistant professors on the government has acted because as we mentioned earlier, the fact is and the more the government is shocked with an absolute majority. so it is on the blackboard just at the back of an election campaign. ready opposition due to the off the police as a massive issue and the youth across the country very. and will be on board reporting of the way that you would have said very clearly that the police is

a major issue. people in india youth in india are dependent on the job because they look at it as a for almost exotic d. o as a form of life beta, a government job gives them a sense of a lifelong, just getting pension. even opposite is the style. so people use was a major issue during elections now after the election for the b to be being shorter for that through the majority of the $240.00 piece and having to rely on this allies. right. so the last thing, if i'm, i will pick off in a moment on the question of how implicated the b j, p d r s s is on this. but before we goes to further down that road of politics, i want to take a step back again and i'll skid on the question. obviously this is not this problem of linked papers. it doesn't look like the actions of just a rogue individual given the numbers of times that this has happened and the scale . who's behind it, how big and how powerful a network must be operating here,

todd, to say just because you know, the investigation is let me just because, but obviously involve a large network of, you know, not just people in, but we're being the testing agency, but private dogs and people are also in education institutions, but i think the point that really needs to be highlighted here is that, you know, over and above the corruption aspect. what this exam really cuz highlighted is the concerns of job and due to the education system in india. is getting facing today. i mean, obviously that is a huge mismatch between the supply of educational uh, you know, positions or seats and colleges, and the demand for them. i think in the higher education there is a huge, huge crowns, which clearly the numbers, as you said, you know, more than 3 and 23000000 students competing for 1100 and over 180000 seats. and you know, it's like you've been

a huge amount of pressure that is on there also as low as chavez speaking to me because we have been experiencing a lot of experience. what has to be in the car to job to grow the demography or you know, educational opportunities that directly links to jobs like medicine or engineering . but also government jobs like, you know, the police, etc. which are all of these are now under to be sort of all being operated through centralized testing systems. 1 there's a huge pressure on the systems and finally that they've given rise to, you know, opportunities for corruption, so to speak, to need also hints at the big gaps in the state capacity, so to speak, or in, or in the governance architecture that goes around the central testing agencies, which are the body responsible for the games as far as you know, but this kind of situation that is also, you know, the, the tendency seems great to centralize ation. and the fact that a lot of these exams of come under the central testing agency and there are

a lot of questions res, region to arrive about, you know, how they know what that has done to the autonomy of state level. the institutions including state laws and state curriculum, which show and students from, you know, so those are the important questions that may, if i may bring in and side biology into this. and the 1st question, is it lots of questions to ask you about, you know, what this means for students and what they want. but before we get there, just give us the perspective of how the easy it is for a student to get hold of leaked papers. is this something of a very fringe problem, or is it quite common knowledge among students? well, you'll see what happened in the last 10 years from the time the present. the union don't, doesn't be just big on investment. yeah. slowly be changing. the examinations have been the most of the centralized, really examine yourself, but it has not been done. they do it to proceed from lovely type,

only does centralize mission control leading to argument corruption, b n d. and i saw this thing again. so the test done to the test turned out to be the national problem agency for students who do use the symptom of this new syndicate. why do i call it the syndicate? the bush at the very core somebody is a little bit students to be when they give an examination, they don't know what is best possible. if the paper was wrong. there's no make that is constable. there's no mechanism to go with that exempt also suspend split. there's no mechanism to ship for somebody that's possible for an act, but criminal act like a paper leak on that option. that is, the reason for the old system will be as this criminal syndicate. and this was built in football and ab, for despite of the system as a list of practically speaking can because all or do what does that mean for students? if you're going into an exam, does that make it easier for you to cheat?

if you want to, you know, it depends upon whether you have the money to buy the russian people, you know, the networks. so what is surprising is one of the facts that has come from oh, every case of paper, only, nobody gets a copy of that as it was the last 6 to 7 years. most of the times it is a people who are associated the party that that'd be getting caught. so there's a some kind of seem to get that has been established and people who don't know that be authentic. cisco, i may be part of the system because seats are less, the competition is more if you have the money, you feel that it shows that the of the network people are getting more into the system. for example, the fact that there is one example multiple times the situations that come to this uh, situations have other than that, the question papers will lead them to get out the channel became white. i. this is just before the examination started. so the examination has to be cancer. doctor, the executive symbols have this hopkins, but exams is up and gets examinations. this has happened if you don't have the exam

5, why system that is linked to this little bit less students are having to piece postpone method cancellation on a day to day basis. you can imagine that for all other students. ok, survosity the opposition. it sounds like where going down the direction which the opposition have been talking about that this is part of a bigger problem of government corruption. is that the way you read the situation? i would say that it's a wrong problem. it's not a judge. put option, definitely it is good option because as the biology was just mentioning, i and i also spoke to says the student is off to the b, but need to be thought for the examinations. net exam was done so that deeper with me the, the new about decide that the question people's board are available in telegram channel. it's for a student and it was just about who had some money and the resources to be for those. 1 people and get access to it and who does it? so these people need have become so farming please that it was a very,

very big boning issue during the elections and the off position didn't minus just after slice on it didn't. who showed states like, was it for these and didn't be high. but if i could option which the more the government, of course, leads to have sat down the bone and i need to try to switch. it says i'm different from the earlier part of the state government, which was a rock of its production scans, and therefore the eventually decides down on the 9th of the me give the infringing 40. so these people need not only show the corruption um that is better and the more the government done, it's inability to that cause these problems. but also the fact that in july position as a major scheme that the government has thought to bring him in every form of government functioning. whether it is the conduct of examinations, whether it is a conductive government business, everything is a, is trying, they're trying to make it a centralized structure where the, it's a stop selling approach. and then what's in democracy in federalism is being

transferred upon and that is a charge that the opposition is making. that absorbers are also meeting, but it's not just to put option by an effort to centralize anything is leading to problems all or democrats law, some democrats position and all did not give us, give them what you said. he said that if it, if it's a problem of the system, i think centralize ation of everything can come, come the authorities confidently say, as they all to people will get to the bottom of this us will investigate this when even some of the investigative bodies like the cd, i mean they themselves have been legit to have been politically manipulated by the b type to absolutely. and you know, the cbi, i used to be kind of the huge factor to during the games, but now we have seen him pertaining years of the more the government, not just the c d. i august, 2nd to the agencies like the enforcement director, which slips to dig nomic offences of that. that has also become on the,

essentially the been so who in the sense that it functions on the detectives all the way. and by doing the things that his friends shown and opposition, he does. and it gives a clean cheque to the opposition leaders. web joining the pgp of arguing election, centralized nation is a huge problem in this regard and democracy in federalism. the federal principle in indian democracy is under that. i want to go back to biology if i can and say what the, what is the bottom line here? what does this mean for students who have signed their exams? and now they're learning that it's all cancelled. well, it's a bottom line for them. they lose time, they lose opportunity. they missed the year for enrollment. there's only one more scored promo. and also when a student writes an examination, there is a think that the examination is being fed. and i believe this by failing this will then step killing, go to the store to put

a future. and one point that has to be understood, it has to be there has to be a solution for this present problem. the n p a has to go, let me pull them the discussion alpha little bit though, and bringing kit on and off this question. from a broad, a sociological perspective. what, what does this mean, particularly for students, people from disadvantage communities because there's a lot at stake, particularly for them, right. they don't have access to the private education testing systems or yeah, you know, very clear implications solved in both in terms of, you know, the opportunities available to them and in terms of being able to access even these testing the services of the day. notice the testing centers. i'm like, it was mentioned earlier. the centralization has in particular and backdate a lot of students from a model from nice communities manual home uh you know, living daughter areas of in smaller towns. because

a big all those phones that are perhaps run by state boards and so they access to central board of curricula very limited. and in the center testing agencies are setting the tests, then they're likely to be setting them based on central the central, the school curriculum. so already that, so the, you know, the disadvantage they face, in addition, because these, you know, there's a lot of boston water in the, accessing the centers in taking these stairs. but in addition to that, because of the huge amount of competition, the mismatch between demand and supply has created. and we have the phenomenal and now i'm say most of 14 centers, which are also so you know, not easy to access for people so much my life backgrounds with coaching centers of what your view was, especially life center, which provides coaching for these a standardized, centralized examinations particularly formats and then for engineering, they are held in particular cities. uh, you know, on several, several states of india and not only all the stream lee of in oppression lives,

environments. and recently they have been cases of, you know, several of suicides committed just and one of the centers, which is, you know, made a lot of new was the best in the largest fund in the state of that as time. now because of the students are a couple that are so much pressure to you know, studying and particularly in order to be able to compete in these highly competitive examinations. but they're also removed from the schools to be bought a vehicle during center. so it sort of really remove them from all the other benefits. so that is that an education system provides and puts them under huge psychological elizabeth is so kind of ready to go to good fish. right. so i'm yes, yeah, i'm wondering survosity, given everything we've been saying so fall then. how easy is the fix? is it just a matter of reviewing some exams? seeing what was leaks and just researching those exams. what does that sound like? this much bigger institutional faxes apply here. i think the dissertation has

now come to a point the way a complete or what am or is required. because we need an independent room into watchability has gone on and the people who are alleged to have been involved or the, or the people who are part of this, this huge and c b, there is a deficit of public trust in the, in the national investing agency as well as the government, if the government is to restore the public space and trust in the agency, i'm in the conduct the public service examinations that affect um millions of students and people across the country than an independent role. but use the lead to both very the government has split and show that the people who are and who boarding blog. i completely 5 removed from the approval process or have to prove by an independent judge would be the way out with the government needs to explore these to restore public fees and to ensure that the pro but you conducted in an,

in the book. okay. that's a good point. let me take you to biology. what did the students want? do you think they will see the investigative process? that's be an allowance this tunnel that's been put together from the n t a will they see that as the independent pro, which i guess the talking about, you know, there's no independent who tend to use it as students are not happy with the investigation, the top as i said, students have the one thing that is ignition of the minister and also the chairperson were responsible for this mess. you know, there's one, i just wanted to bring a website. there's a solution for this problem. the solution lies, the examinations will be good for you to validate the samples of methods that as i mostly do, that wasn't my thought that i'd be centralization, that kind of meant that possibly the bit did you get some of the solutions we're going to do when it comes to examinations for you. i don't want to do that either. that's the way you hi. pop it in for the slice of the board of secondary education,

for example, the cd to see the boards. did you see that examination? i put medical i the engineering examination, b i these i'm, the medical colleges were big dogs to watch, you know, as long as the entrance examinations at the lots and lots of lots kids. but one of them happened is not taking the academic confidence the yet, what are you going to be doing a completing on economic beautifully the body, which has football as it gets capacity, which is the start under the societies that we don't even know that comes up it's exist knowledge and that means students want the national testing agency ultimately to be disbanded. absolutely, we thought they be fine, which it has become a national bromide agency for those students. all right, i can see a kid on wants to get in on it. go ahead. yeah, i think, you know, it's probably usually come back to what everybody's saying that you know, that needs to be good at the needs to be postpone the unlimited storage, the audio system had, etc. but i think somewhere,

let's not lose sight of the larger picture, i think was also needs to be done as of the education system and generally needs a lot of motor for we have seen and especially since gets a lot in the last decade also be education budgets have gone down dramatically and so the supply demand problem is becoming much worse as more and more people are speaking. hi and education, the opportunity. so the seats available to them have really strong because investment in education is strong. so, unless one addresses that huge mishmash, this ideal is huge competition in pressure, but a limited number of seats of the board are we just going to create opportunities for production? i mean, you may bring in more accountability and try to bring that in, but they will be with phones to you know, supplement that and want to be on the other. that's not the only solution to this problem that has that means that many times given i think that the present government needs to start reexamining. it's policy and education. you know, in a lot of sense and start looking at increasing investments in education,

particularly i education because better the model has gone up much more. and then the supply is able to provide, i mean, beyond not talking about the mass notification of identification because of this blog in addition to the kind of thing that is best. so it's not just about the goals about transparency kind of darkening, but that option that this has highlighted, but it's also about looking at the larger issues that the system facing. so that's also bringing some focus on those things. okay, biology i can see you are waiving that the give you a chance to come in on that. i just wonder do i have to work, you know, sitting absolutely. i agree that the point that dr bar is happening is because of the seats. but you also have to understand the goal and kind of blocking the policy rather than increasing the seats and the public funded utilities, which is accessible under affordable for the large population of the people that is a great and then towards commercialization, transition ready to maybe do most of these that are coming back, bad policies likely so we shouldn't just social justice policy, but liberating people who love the marginalized cost and gender and other people

leaving that aside. be pushing it $5.00 fees, long bid education model in india, which is be funded to host. it's a model that is being projected in the west. but as we are all set in the east, in the country like india. so even in places where there is expansion of seeds that is happening, it isn't happening. the idea that i did your patients would be a lot of coffee, but cartridges, patient education model, wonderful. accessed affordability, this is something that we also have to accept. i listened on this is, i think is that a large living you cannot go ahead and book because the majority of the population behind you're going to be does not belong to significant weights. i think i feel that some of that. so be so uh, confused to access higher education, we thought such as this as bonuses like is that we, shouldn't this be possible. that means a speed supported public funded education has to please or either what is happening is that the most, i don't think this and i can see get on you what?

oh, all right, let me get, give you. let me give you a, a quick come back on that. com before we have to bring in survosity, go ahead. sure. yeah, i agree either, but that's what i mean by the government has to look at what it's doing in education. and in addition to centralization, that as being the recent policy, there's also being a much greater shift towards privatization. and i think that that needs to be a come back from that just as the needs to be a come back to us. more decentralized vision is absolutely sure that more than 50 percent of the seats, so less privatization will the investment in education, particularly higher education as to the need of the. okay. and so i think the, that side of the screen is in agreement. let me take the question to survosity the, the big picture here for the golf image. how much of a flight to the government is this why this illusion then with the education system? it's not just down to exams as we're hearing from our panelists on the show. it's down to other issues, whether it's the centralized ation, the privatization, the amount of funding for education. a i would say like o as in solid, the b g b,

or it's just the mazda for an election that has not one and the majority on it's going to fuck the seats. it's still short of $32.00 seats are for, for the majority. so it has to try to cautiously, no opposition after election. his eyes has made it very clear that they will be brief and watch. so how these products really please play out is very important for the, the gps question. how would i know that? because we have seen the products have group and all the across the country, not necessarily backed by for you to good biographies, but student forties have been protesting. so the government has been full. so as we have seen that the education is the team and address to press conference earlier with david suite, the funding and the previous more the government seems to be close to an order on from the government of, from the government side and help me solve the union and this differentiation coming and accepting responsibility in a sense, seeing that that has been an institutional feel so that the government is on the

back put it needs to try to get for you. and it knows that it's, it does not have a majority on its own, and therefore it is, i being sure i, at this point, it does not have the impunity that just had 5 usable to go to school laws as they would have liked to try to do was be reached to so if the, the shipping company is going to trade a lot more carefully than it would have prior to the selection and will be watching as they do. that's fine. con, guess. so at this point and side biology kit on boxy and survosity the scoop to and thank you to for watching. you can see the show again, any time by visiting our website, how to 0, don't com. for further discussion head over to on facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story can also join the conversation on x, our antivirus at a j inside story from me. so i may say that on the whole team here for now is combine the

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