that i have been sleeping now less than 90 days. after a lifetime of prison. a man is now free to fight against our k racist laws that belong to the past. fault lines. conviction on the jersey to the theory in india. students say that a state exam resolve scrap because of a corruption scandal. please sign investigation lead to the exam paces affecting more than 3000000 young people. so on the next, for the students and the countries education system, this is inside storage. the hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's. a them is of study for more than 3000000 students in india,

have come to nothing that's not down to them failing exams because of a failure in the nations exam system. you say entrance exam papers, the top courses such as medicine and page. these have been linked all sold, exams that students have post, it's now being declared invalid, then we'll have to be retained can prime minister under, under moody's government is 5. the official in charge of the examinations agency, but it faces a major test of its own to restore confidence in the system. so how could this happen? and what's the impact on india and this young people will speak with all guests in a few moments. but 1st, his lower hon with the background fury on the streets of new delhi open examination system. in k of students have been protesting since widespread cheating was reported and state exams with papers being leaked in return payments with an unusually high number birth people scoring 12 months. the national testing agency

that runs the system is being blamed to mind that we demand that that'd be an inquiry with the supreme court's intervention. the national testing agency must be disbanded and the ministry must be dissolved the exams effect students taking inches to state to universities for medical school and ph. d. programs there furious. the use of study exam, pressure and stress effectively be made worthless, fast, you know, asking the education minister to meet you up or down to take this money. i'm a tune of future back to us. and some students taking legal action. students really don't know what to do, of actual people, how people have petition the highest sport in this country. this will be important because the country, the government is fine to say that they are formed in quantity coming to you. but then quantity, going to zip off these companies in 2 months. it's not. india is fast scans low for exams, but it's the biggest complaints of being lots this year about corruption surrounding

entrance exams. the government's jobs with many applicants losing out to those with money. and influence, the government says it's taking action. prime minister, under $0.30, the agencies had some exams have been canceled, and several people arrested all still becomes when it was clear that the, his paper on the dot net matches the original paper, we decided that they should be a high level central bureau investigation inquiry on the matter, the scandal is putting pressure on moody's newly formed government. just off his b. j. p. last, it's outright to majority in the general election that ended the celtic june. many protest as an students are riding with opposition policies, claiming an unfair system of control and corruption at the time when they also angry about how i use unemployment and poverty. the youngsters in india simply have no way to and it's not just the educational crisis. it's

a price isn't pretty much every sphere to that we're facing those hoping to advance a careers through education. and that's not knowing when the next exam will be know when the scandal will be resolved, nor comp inside story on to 0. the all of i guess already new data today and side biology is a form of president of the joint ha, now through university students union kit on bossy is a senior visiting fellow at the center for policy research, specializing in education policy and survosity, the scope to is a senior reporter at the why, who focuses on politics, policy, and governance, if i could start with survosity. so how could so many tests be potentially compromised, so many times and that's such

a scale as well. that's really the question that's in front of the government. as grades and some of you, because this is an unprecedented crisis that we're facing in india entity, the national exam, which will only have conducted on a stimulus community full of assign movie and use the for yours. this, i'm guessing that there's a complete failure on the 5 pulse the government in conducting these exams. and well, watch people are placing back to is the national testing agency, which is entrusted with of the duty to conduct these exams. back in 2018 non chapel . it's in all the national that the agency according to our right to information of no guide to information or data that has come out of credit that's been submitted in the right way. information crazy has reviews that the chapel it's and he was appointed for us to do the for the states public service commission on the recommendation of the art says, which is the either god's post dated all the 9th vision on the b 2, b. and subsequently he has been appointed to separate the public service commission

head, including the union public service commission that overseas the bureaucrats, that ira conduct examinations for bureau if that's at the center level in india. now that head has not really even now despite so many irregularities that have come out not to just in the, in the, which looked into the medical examination, medical interest examinations. but also the next exam which give some of entrance exams to do new research. federal chips as well as assistant professors on the government has acted up because as we mentioned earlier, the fact is that the more the government is shocked with an absolute majority. so it is on the backward just at the back of an election campaign, ready opposition due to the off the police as a massive issue and the youth across the country with very and will be and pardon me for the as the way the you'd have said very clearly that the police is a major issue. people in india youth in india are dependent on the job because they

look at it as a almost exotic d. o as a form of life. beta a government job gives them a sense of a lifelong just getting financial even after the dial. so of the police was a major issue during elections now after the election for the b to be being short to for an absolute charge. the 240 piece and having to rely on this allies, right? the last thing, if i look, we'll pick off in a moment on the question of how implicated the b j p d r s s is on this? but before we goes to further down that road of politics, i want to take a step back again and i'll skid on the question. obviously this is not this problem of leak papers. it doesn't look like the actions of just a rogue individual given the numbers of times that this has happened and the scale . who's behind it, how big and how powerful a network must be operating here, todd, to say just because you know, the investigation is let me just because,

but obviously involve a large network of, you know, not just people in, but we're being the testing agency, but private dogs and people are also in education institutions, but i think the point that really needs to be highlighted here is that, you know, over and above the production aspect. what this exam really cuz highlighted is the concerns of job and due to the education system in india. is getting facing today. i mean, obviously that is a huge mismatch between the supply of educational uh, you know, positions or seats and colleges, and the demand for them. i think in the higher education that is a huge, huge crowns which clearly the numbers, as you said, you know, more than 383000000 students competing for 1100 and over 180000 seats. and you know, it's like you've been a huge amount of pressure that is on there also as low as chavez speaking to me because we have been experiencing a lot of experience. what has to be in the car to job to grow the demography or you

know, educational opportunities that directly links to jobs like medicine or engineering . but also government jobs like, you know, the police, etc. which are, all of these are now under to be sort of wellbeing operated through centralized testing systems. there's a huge pressure on the systems. and finally that they've given rise to, you know, opportunities for corruption, so to speak, to need also hints at the big gaps in the state capacity, so to speak, or in or in the governance architecture that goes around the central testing agencies which are party responsible for the games, as far as you know, for this kind of situation that is also, you know, the, the tendency seems great to centralize ation. and the fact that a lot of these exams come under the central testing agency, and there are a lot of questions raised, which don't write about, you know, how they know what that has done to the autonomy of state level the institutions,

including all the state laws and states could be true language show and students from, you know, so those are the important questions that may, if i may bring in and side biology into this. and the 1st question, is it lots of questions to ask you about, you know, what this means for students and what they want. but before we get there, just give us a perspective of how easy it is for a student to get hold of leaked papers. is this something of a very fringe problem, or is it quite common knowledge among students as well? you'll see what has happened in the last 10 years from the time the present. the union dollar doesn't be just big on investment ball that slowly be changing. the examinations have been the most decentralized really exempt yourself, but it has to be the policy formula. we take longer, does centralization control leading to argument corruption? the indeed that's of this thing. and so the test done to the test turned out to be

the national problem agency for students who do use the symptom of this new syndicate. why do i call it the syndicates? the, what should we also group for somebody so that students to be when they give an examination, they don't know what is best possible. if the paper was wrong. there's no make that is there's no mechanism to go with that exact process as brands, but there's no mechanism to shield for somebody that's possible for an act. but criminal act like a paper leak or that option. that means it isn't a part of the old system, will it be as this criminal syndicates? this was built in football and ab, for, despite of the system as a list of practically speaking can to gonzalez do. what does that mean for students? if you're going into an exam, does that make it easier for you to cheat? if you want to, you know, it depends upon whether you have the money to buy the russian people,

you know them networks. so what is surprising is one of the facts that has come from, oh, every case of paper, only, nobody gets a copy of that as it was the last 6 to 7 years. most of the time it is a people who are associated the party that that'd be getting caught. so there's a some kind of seem to get that has been established and people who don't know that be authentic. cisco, i may be part of the system because pizza, unless the competition is more, if you have the money, you feel that it shows that the of the network people are getting more into the system. for example, the fact that the biggest one example multiple times the situations have come to this uh, situations have other than that, the question papers will lead them to get out the channel. i did begin whitehead, i, this is just before the examinations started. so the examinations have to be cancer adoptive exactly symbols have this hopkins exams is up and adults examinations. this has happened if you don't have the exam. i, my system that is linked to this little bit less students are having to piece

postpone method cancellation on the day to day basis. you can imagine that for all other the students up. okay. survosity the opposition. it sounds like where going down the direction which the opposition have been talking about. this is part of a bigger problem of government corruption. is that the way you read the situation? i would say that it's a wrong problem. it's not just for the option. definitely it is good option because as the biology was just mentioning, i and i also spoke to says the student is off to the b, but need to be thought for the examinations. net examples done. so the deeper with me, the, the new about decide that the question people's board are available in telegram channel. it's for a student and it was just about who had some money and the resources to be for those. 1 people and get access to it and who does it? so these people need have become so farming please that it was a very, very big voting issue during the elections and the off position didn't minus just

after slice on it didn't. who showed states like, was it for these and didn't be high. but if i from corruption, which the more the government of course claims to have sat down the bone and i need to try to switch. it says i'm different from the earlier part of the state government, which was a rock of its production scans, and therefore the eventually decides down on the 9th of the, the infringing 40. so of these before, these not only shows the corruption um that has been the more the government done it, inability to that cause these problems. but also the fact that the centralized vision of the major scheme that the government has thought to bring in every form of uh, government functioning. whether it is the conduct of examinations, whether it is a conductive government business, everything is a, is trying, they're trying to make it a centralized structure where the, it's a stop selling approach. and then what's in democracy in federalism is being transferred upon and that is a charge that the opposition is making. that absorbers are also meeting, but it's not just to put option by an effort to centralize anything is leading to

problems off or democratic law. some democrats position and all did not give us, give them what you said. and he said that if it, if it's a problem of the system, i think centralize ation of everything can come. come the authorities confidently say as they all to people will get to the bottom of this or will investigate this when even some of the investigative bodies like the cd. i mean they themselves have been legit to have been politically manipulated by the b type to absolutely. and you know, the c b i used to be kind of the huge factor to during the video games. but now we're feeding the taking years of the more the government, not just the c b i august, 2nd to the agencies like the enforcement director, which flips the dig, a nomic offences of that. that has also become on the, essentially the been. so we did this instead of functions on the detectives. also we didn't by doing the things that his friends shown and all position he does. and

it gives a clean cheque to the opposition leaders web joining the pgp of arguing election. centralized nation is a huge problem in this regard and democracy in federalism. the federal principle in indian democracy is under that i want to go back to biology if i can and say what the, what is the bottom line here? what does this mean for students who have signed their exams? and now they're learning that it's all cancelled? well, it's a bottom line for them, they lose time, they lose opportunity. they missed the year for enrollment. there's only one of the score drama. and also when a student writes an examination, there is a think that the examination is being fed. and i believe this by failing this will then step killing, go to the store to put a future. and one point that has to be understood, it has to be there has to be a solution for this present problem. the n p a has to go,

let me pull them the discussion alpha little bit though, and bringing kit on and off. this question from a broad, a sociological perspective. what, what does this mean, particularly for students, people from disadvantage communities because there's a lot at stake, particularly for them, right. they don't have access to the private education testing systems. yeah. very clear implications for them both in terms of you know, the opportunities available to them and in terms of being able to access even these testing the services of the day. notice the testing centers. and like i was mentioned earlier, the centralized nation has in particular and backdate, a lot of students from a model from nice communities manual home uh, you know, living daughter areas of in smaller towns. because a big all those phones that are perhaps run by state boards and so they access to central board of curricula very limited. i think the central testing agencies are

setting the tests, then they're likely to be setting them based on central the central, the school curriculum. so already that, so the, you know, the disadvantage, they face, in addition, because these are, you know, there's a lot of boston water in the, accessing these centers in taking these stairs. but in addition to that, because of the huge amount of competition, the mismatch between demand and supply has created. and we have the phenomenal, the now i'm say most of 14 centers, which are also, you know, not easy to access for people so much related backgrounds with coaching centers of what your view was, especially life sentences which provide coaching for these a standardized centralized examinations, particularly formats and then for engineering, they are held in particular cities. uh, you know, on several, several states of india and not only all the stream li, of in oppression lives environments. and recently they have been cases of,

you know, several of suicides committed just and one of the centers, which is, you know, made a lot of new, also based in the largest fund and the state providers time. now because of the students are a couple down to so much pressure to you know, to study in a particular way in order to be able to compete in these highly competitive examinations. but they're also removed from the school has to be bought a vehicle during center, so it sort of really remove them from all the other benefits so that he, that an education system provides and puts them under huge psychological elizabeth is so kind of ready to go to good fish, right. so i'm, yes, yeah, i'm wondering survosity, given everything we've been saying so fall, then. how easy is the fix? is it just a matter of reviewing some exams? seeing what was leaks and just researching those exams. what does it sound like as much bigger? institutional faxes apply here? i think good dissertation has now come to a point the way a complete. what am all that is required?

because though we need an independent school begin to watch the has going on and the people who are alleged to have been involved or the, or the people who are part of a, this is this huge and c b, there is a deficit of public trust in the in the national testing agency, as well as the government, if the government is to restore the public space and trust in the agency, i'm in the conduct the public service examinations that affect millions of students and people across the country that an independent robot is the lead to both where the government has split and show that the people who are in who boarding blog. i completely 5 removed from the approval process for have so approved by an independent judge who would be the we out. but the government needs to explore these to restore public fees and to ensure that the pro but is conducted in an in the book. okay, that's a good point. let me take you to biology. what did the students want? do you think they will see the investigative process that's being allowance that

this tunnel that's being put together from the n t a will they see that as the independent pro, which i guess the talking about, you know, there's no independent who tend to use it as students are not happy with the 3rd up investigation. that's how, as i said, students have the one thing that is ignition of the minister and also the chairperson were responsible for this mess. you know, there's one, i just want to bring up 15, there's a solution for this problem. the solution lies, the examinations will be good for the 2018. that was a method that has the safety, the that'd be centralization. that kind of meant the comfortable event. did you get some of the solutions we're going to do when it comes to examinations? 40 i didn't want to do that either. that's the high pop in for the slice of the secondary education. for example, the cd to see that one for the significance ammunition, i put medical by the engineering examination. b i these, i'm,

the medical colleges were big dogs to watch, you know, as long as the entrance examinations at the lots of lots and lots kids. but one of the happened is not taking over here, the academic corporate and the yet, what are you going to be doing a completing on economic beautiful bodies, which has football as it gets capacity, which is, does it start under the societies that we don't do? but another comes up, it's exist biology. does that mean the students want the national testing agency ultimately to be disbanded? absolutely. we thought to be fine, which it has become a national bromide agency for those students. all right, i can see a kid on wants to get in on a go ahead. yeah, i think, you know, it's probably come back to what everybody's saying that you know, that needs to be good at the needs to be both on the bottom. you just storage the audio system, had, etc. but i think somewhere, let us not lose sight of the larger picture i think was also needs to be done as of the education system and generally needs

a lot of motor for we have seen and especially since gets a lot in the last decade also be education budgets are coming down dramatically and so the supply demand problem is becoming much was as more and more people are speaking. hi and education, the opportunity. so the seats available to them have really strong because investment in education is strong. so unless one addresses that huge mishmash, this ideal is huge competition in pressure, but a limited number of seats of the board are we just going to create opportunities for production? i mean, you, me bringing more thought would it be a try to bring that in? but they will be with phones to you know, supplement that and one way or the other. that's not the only solution to this problem that has that means that many times given i think that the present government needs to start reexamining. it's policy and education. you know, in a lot of sense and start looking at increasing investments in education, particularly i education because better the model has gone up much more. and then the supply is able to provide, i mean,

beyond not talking about the mass notification of identification because of this blog in addition to the kind of thing that is best. so it's not just about because of goals about transparency and attracting that, that option that this has highlighted, but it's also about looking at the larger issues that the system facing. so that's also bringing some focus on those things. okay. biology i could see you are waiving that the give you a chance to come in on that. i just wonder do i have to work on those setting up so yeah, i agree that they will point not right, but what's happening is because of the seats. but you also have to understand the goal and kind of blocking the policy rather than increasing the seats and the public funding most of these, which is accessible and affordable for the large population of the people. but it's a good thing against it. what's come? what's the latest edition ready to maybe do most of use that up coming back? bad policies like is, are we shouldn't just social justice policy, but i really think people who are the marginalized cost and gender and other people leaving that. that's how you'd be pushing it. 5 fees, losing bid, education modeling. yeah. which is be funded through host. it's

a model that is being projected in the west. but as we are all set in the east in the country like india. so even it's lisa as well. that is expansion of seats, that is happening. it isn't happening. the idea that i did you patients would be a model for coffee. but cottage, a patient education, autumn, wonderful. accessed affordability is something that we also have to accept. i listen to this is i think is that a large living you cannot go ahead and do the majority of the population behind even to be does not belong to significant ways that they can do that. some of that . so be, so uh, do some peaceful access. how did you go, should we talk such as this as bonuses? like is that we should it is possible. that means a stage supported public funded education has to me please, or either what is happening is that the most, i don't think this and i can see get on you what? oh, all right, let me get, give you. let me give you a, a quick come back home that. com before we have to bring in survosity, go ahead. sure. yeah,

i agree the that's what i meant that the government has to look at what it's doing in education and, and in addition to centralization, that as being the reason for the see, there's also been a much greater shift towards privatization and, and i think that that needs to be a come back from, it just says that needs to be a going back to us more decentralized vision. it does. absolutely. so that more than 50 percent of the seats, so less privatization hold on. one to investment in education, particularly higher education, has to go to the need of the okay. and so i think the that side of the screen is integrating. and let me take the question to survosity the, the big picture here for the golf image, how much of a flight to the government is this why this illusion then with the education system? it's not just down to exams as we're hearing from our panelists on the show. it's down to other issues, whether it's the centralized ation, the privatization, the amount of funding for education. and i would say like o as in solid, the b g b or it's just come out of an election that has not one majority on it's going to

fuck the seats are still short of $22.00 seats are fully mature. busy the so it has to trade cautiously, no opposition after election, desires has made it very clear that they will be it and watch. so how these products really please of the out is very important for the, the give the expression. how would i know that? because we have seen that products have grouping out across the country, not necessarily backed by political parties, but student forties have been protesting. so the government has been forced to act . we have seen that the education is the team and address the press conference earlier when david suite, the funding, and the previous more the government seems to be close to an order on from the government of, from the government side. and here we saw the union and this differentiation coming in and accepting responsibility in the sense, seeing that that has been an institutional feel so that the government is on the back put it needs for grades, get free, and it knows that it's a does not have a majority on its own, and therefore it is i being sure i, at this point,

it does not have the impunity that just had 5 usable to go to school laws as they would have liked to try to do was be reached to. so if the government is going to trade a lot more carefully than it would have prior to the selection and will be watching as they do, that's fine. con, guess. so at this point and side biology kit on boxy and survosity the scoop to and thank you to for watching. you can see the show again, any time by visiting our website, how to 0, don't com. for further discussion head over to on facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. can also join the conversation on x, our hands, barry's at a j. inside story. from me, sammy's i that on the whole team here for now is good by the

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