is with the political elite, but their personal rivalries will split. the conservative vote account of it needs more than 50 percent of the ballots cast to win, or a runoff will be held next week. while this folding station is busy, some people have stayed at home as a form of protests. there is a sense of disillusionment. iranians have been really under a strained economy and some say a lot of liberties. they don't believe the election will bring change. reforms aren't promising a radical shift in policies and planned to work from within the system if they come to power. the votes outcome may be unpredictable, but the post election phase is expected to be one of continuity rather than change . then there was a 0 different on right. i'm joined now by wrestle search the who is in to run result as we're speaking, polls have just closed, give us a sense of what is at stake in this election of the same dates. now for

the, what the period has just ended, and now the worse are going to be counted to the whole night. so in less than 10 hours that are expecting to have the results regarding the turnout. and if any of the candidates as merged as a, as a been or, or if the election is going to go to the 2nd round about here. uh, the main issue is the turn now of course. so any run traditionally turn off for presidential election was quite how high in some cases, even for 80 percent. but in the last 2 elections that has changed in 2021 presidential election. it was below 50 percent. and in 2024 parliamentary election . it's when you know, 41 percent now run the official spot, trying to secure the high turnout. that's why they have an extended period for 6 hours to have that high turn out. so the pool is what's happening us before the

election. that's near the house of uranium on either on decided or on really to go to date was but tomorrow we are going to see if this is going to be one of the lowest. or if the turn up is going to be a little bit higher than expected. all right, thank you. rest over that sound correspondent result start the reporting from table . all right, and let's cross again to i'll live coverage of the it will pull my adult us president donald trump is leaking at a rally in virginia is 1st campaign rally. seems to do really that today. it's against president jones bite and the news continues here on out to 0 officer upfront to stay with the of the

. ringback the israel little world guys, that continues and israel is facing a case of genocide at the international court of justice. but all we had a turning point for western support of israel. and what history is there from? does it end for palestine more broad? earlier i went to new york to speak to one of the formal scholars in israel, palestine in sequencing the progress of norman singles thing, thanks so much for joining me on a bright. thank you for having me. you've been an advocate for palestinian freedom for decades. you devoted much of your life, certainly your scholarship to this. you've been called quote,

the foremost jewish anti semite one planet or something we will call you a holocaust deniers. me. why does your work generate these types of responses? i think it's a kind of power the ox tell you the truth because as you well know, my actual political opinions are very conventional and well within the main stream . for example, long after the whole of the left went over to this notion of one state. i was still advocating to states. whereas the whole left was trying to anchor their thinking and things like settler colonialism and this and that i was very firm. and just in repeating what international law said, i thought that was the best vocabulary to try to reach a broad audience. so the culture of sure part comes, i think, from, there's a certain element of, i will say,

fanaticism to me, which is i read everything. and i'm ready to cite chapter and verse and everything . so i don't give my as so to speak, adversaries, any wiggle room is not a kind of debate. no, i go in for the kill. yes, you're lying. that's not true. that's false. and i am really loveless. i know that i'm relentless because i spend, i think it's a kind of ideological war. and i'm, i'm relentless. i know that, but that's because i do the work. he lost faith in those left and those reference points in those frameworks. i mean, i know she's passed in swings in i held onto the due date idea. i believed in international law now no longer have faith and those are effective frameworks for getting a practical outcome. okay. those are 2 separate question. yeah. i'm on the question

of international law. obviously it moves very slowly or, you know, paying painfully slow the, when people are being killed and the genocide and so there's a certain degree of more than and patients those have degree of indignation. so for example, on the car, right over here, i was reading the new international court of justice or response to south africa. and it goes on for about 12 pages. and they say we have to 1st consider this way. we have the 1st concert at that point. then we have to 1st consider this about another. all right, come on guys. let's just cut to the chase. people are getting killed, people are dying of starvation. but on the other hand, i have to say there's a kind of i don't know, i was kind of hutch by the fact that at the end of the day, i the lot of a huge price for the people garza, with

a lot seems to be kicking into place and for example, right now, as we speak, 31 percent of children under the age of 2 are facing acute now nutrition in the north and part of god. so they went to the evidence and they concluded, know, israel has got to give, let the food in, you know, it took 12 pages, it took 6 months, but the lawyers and kicking in so wonderful to be let in. i mean, we saw after the january. yes, i know, not much changed. i know. and then what do you do? you know, on the one hand, it's a very slow, tedious process. a while. the numbers are just a since the january 26 decision of the court of 5000 where people have been killed. so yeah, it's so that's why the why,

why do you have any optimism in any of this matters, particularly because i think about in 2020 when you actually stopped writing on guys. and you said you felt like the work you were doing was sort of of things that point, listen, purposeless, and why is it less pointless? and purpose was now when we see legal decisions coming out, international rage. and it is real still remaining fairly obstinate. i guess the simple answer is to phone number one. if you do nothing, you can be certain, nothing will happen. so that's not an option. and the 2nd thing is that you don't see changes. i mean, it's not what you would want obviously, but you to see change or the ice age. first of all, the fact that south africa went to back for palestine. extraordinary, you know, not one arab state. not one hour of state. it took south africa. you know,

the fact that the vote was 14 to 2. i said this is impossible. before the vote there are kept counting. i could only come up with 6 countries that was out for wow, if you, i would have bad every single dollar, i own it. it was impossible that the u. s. and germany would vote yes. there are grounds to be optimistic, not the least for me, the most optimistic thing is the young people. me. if you have told me a paper with a king coming out to demonstrations week after week after week after week, i for 6 months, i would never have believed it. the tenacity, the conviction, you know it's,

it's really an extraordinary sight to behold. now somebody said that was a demonstration. 3 weeks ago, it was at washington square park and then happen was pouring rain and it was a saturday. and there were about 50000 people there. and they were all around $25.00. i was an age cohort of one, and then there was a gap memory that was a gap before the years ago. and then after was over, a lot of people went down to the subject to go home. and so in the subway platform on this side of the, of the train tracks and then the other side of the change of everyone still check. think everyone still charged me. if you know the scene from the civil rights movement, united states, how, when they were in jail, they kept singing, and they kept shutting and they kept sinking and they kept chanting. i don't know,

it's like these young people except this one difference. the people in the civil rights movement were fighting for their own rights by these were young people fighting for god. so, you know, to 1000000 people in the some go where you are from the middle of least it's a deeply inspiring. so there's every reason on those grounds, both to be proud of, you know, the capacity of human sympathy and solidarity. but also on the grounds of being hopeful, one of the things you talked about was how arguments that were on the margins have shifted at least to the mainstream, to be debated them to be to correct their engaging people and then no longer can be shut down with your encounters, somebody right those days are over. you made an argument recently that turn some heads to be sure you said that, that's how mazda is october 7th. the tech was comfortable in some ways to nat

turner slave revolt, a rebellion of his way. black americans and virginia that took place in 1831. you've also refer to guys a frequently as a concentration camp. of those types of historical comparisons probably aren't in the mainstream yet. in fact, they offend some people, they outrage some people. why do you make them? well, the primary reason i make them this because i think they're true. no. uh, not from a rebellion. was replete with the most horrifying atrocities, to have the order enough turner, for those of you who don't know, cuz i don't know where your audiences of the united states had not the last, but it had slaved rebellions before the civil war. and the best known one and the most famous one was not turn to rebellion. they killed about 60 people, and then i turned the rebellion the order given by now turner, according to the historians, the order was very straightforward. kill whites,

that was the order, kill all whites, and they proceed to do just that. so when i read that, when i read that a light went on on my head and i said, okay, now i have something roughly and i'll analogous to october 7th. so now my next challenge is, okay, so how do you render a judgment on the now turn the rebellion? so i figured i would go to the people who were so the speak closest to me in my political trajectory, which would be the abolitionists. those who were fighting for the end of slavery, however, they were very strictly against the use of violence. and so i was chris. okay, how did they judge assess and turn the rebellion?

and so i turned to william lloyd garrison, who was one of the most famous of the abolitionists. he edited the newspaper called the liberator, and it's very worth reading it. what he said, it began by saying, we told you so, because you're speaking to wife. we told you, so we told you, if you keep treating people this way, if you treat them this way, is going to be a reaction. and he went on to say that, of course atrocities, or i think he quoted hers occurred during that during the rebellion. have you read the statement from start to finish? he never condemned, not turner. he does not know. it was for me

a personal moment because i spent the last 15 or more years of my life chronicling the horrors in gossip. the fact that those folks who burst the gates of garza on october 7th had been born into a concentration cap. not only were they born into it, but they were living in it. they were destined to die unit. and that was not turner. but is this a, is this an explanation from a dispassionate scholar who's simply saying, look how inevitable this violence on october 7th was? or is it an endorsement of the action by saying, look, they had no choice. this is literally only legitimate and morally so to actually look when you make, when you pass narrow judgments, in my opinion,

you have to offer options. what else could they have done? so how most was elected in 2006, we just started with international courts, right. so you have a growing optimism. yeah. does this have only happened because of the armed resistance? in other words, when we have the world's attention, when i really i would, i'm way to say what the facts tell me. now, i'm not saying i'm the only person that possession of the facts. yeah. but the pac faxes, they tell me in 2006 when how mazda is elected was elected on the reform platform. because the palestinian authority, so corrupt people wanted the change in the, immediately, as they were elected the international opinion. the 1st israel, then the us then the, you impose this rule economic blockade on cost. now, if you study the record how mazda is attempting a diplomatic solution to the conflict,

it talks about recognizing israel to states having a long term ceasefire. it made many options, all of it was rebuffed, all of it was rejected. then, in march 2018, they attempted the great march of return, a non violent civil resistance. what happened when we know exactly what happened? you an investigative body produced, the report was 250 single space pages. according to the report is we are targeted deliberately targeted children is real, deliberately targeted, medics, israel the term deliberately targeted on journalists. here's the best one, the vote is real deliberately targeted, disabled people. okay. and they have the descriptions in the report. a person in

the distance on crutches. 300 meters from the perimeter fence shot the head. a person in the wheel chair, 300 meters shot down. so of course the non violence is going to fail. if people are just being shot down like, you know, swipe down like flies and there's no international reaction to can't work. a whole premise of non violence, of a resistance is that if you're willing to incur the suffering, then the international community, or in the case of our own country during the civil rights movement, the north and the federal government will be moved by the violence move in sympathy to act when you show the violence member of the whole point of non violence is martin luther king understood it. if you read, for example, the letter from the birmingham jail, he says that violence is in bedded in the system. and all we're doing is we're

bringing it to the says, the surface and dramatizing and spectacle on it. exactly. in order to leave bulk sympathy. what does it work is everyone's, what are the result? that's what i'm going to show you. and so that's the point. it didn't work in guys, it didn't work. so now you were after the heart of the dilemma. if diplomacy didn't work, they try. i'm not saying what they were saying was perfect. i'm not saying it wouldn't have required no intense negotiations to make it work. but there were steps taken by homeless that didn't work non violent, silver resistance didn't work. and by the time you got to october 6, it was clear that a deal was going to be made with sap befell these. and then the whole conflict between israel and the arab world would have been resolved above the heads of the

people of god. so, and the only thing those 2000000 people would have to look forward to is to languish and die in the concentration camp. what do you think, given all the destruction, all the them of people and the physical environment? what do you think? nothing else ultimate in game is here. the goal is uh at one end of the spectrum and the spectrum bleeds into each hope point, leads into each other. at one end is to ethnic cleansing, the just get rid of them do what they did, 1948 and put an end to this guy. so problem is that a realistic is, i mean, i understand the idea of saying we're going to have civil and governmental control over guys that we're going to maybe reinstall settlements as the pre night 2006 time delta. why would but it seems equally doubtful that they could the populate. well, i okay. let's remember

a time move quickly. the 1st 2 weeks it looked like where they believed that they were going to be able to expel the population to the sinai. at that point, egypt made a firm decision. they're not coming in. so long ago was the ethnic cleansing, but i agree with you. after 2 weeks, it seemed less plausible. no one still might happen. we don't know, you know, the pressures that will be exerted on c, c, and the number to the sort of middle position was the one that was advocated by you or island. the former head of the notion security council. he said, we'll give them 2 choices, stay in, star, or leave. in other words, make us uninhabitable. and then the other, the extreme position was to just carry out, you know, destruction of am aleck, to just wipe out the population and the kind of our new ones to genocide. yeah. so

i think those are the 3 positions and what, what will come to that? we think most likely to come um, what's most like, i think i because president bards and that's having trouble with the demo, a large part of the democratic base. i think the gala pro show that only 19 percent of democrats supported israel is doing. yeah, i think the pressures exerted by by then will become unbearable for is real. and in the united states, what does it, what doesn't barely able to be another profile encourage like we saw the security council where they just sustained know the united states wanted to stop it from day one that could have stopped. you just pick up the phone and say, no more fee though. no more weapons. it's over and it's over. there is no question about is that possible? and as a practical matter, given this special relationship right?

business has and since it's more it's, it's, it's possible the question is, the political will and right now pros and biting is balancing the would they consider it to be their security interest? because, you know, what happened october? somebody was a blow for the united states security also, because the united states has invested a lot in israel as a regional power. unable to be original arbiter. let me push on that for a 2nd, cuz that's what we have a day to a professor mission. i'm or me, who said that it's a myth that there's still a strategic and tactical interest with united states in support as well. that that may once been the case, but it's not anymore our luck. john mearsheimer is a good friend of mine. i like him. but we don't agree. i mean, people are, you know, people are, are, and agreeing to disagree. i don't agree on the point. i think important thing to

understand about israel is israel is very much like a western society. it has the same kind of a bureaucracy russian, our, the modern out look, uh, that makes it very easy for the us to communicate with israel in communication. it's not a trivial part. the secure, the people, the intelligence people, they all have the same mental outlook. and so that's an irreplaceable factor for the us to have a, what sometimes called a stationary aircraft carrier in the middle east, where the whole mental outlook is held in common all. so it's still by far the most militarily

confident. i, i'm not saying it's great, it's a good reputation. we've got a very big reputation. we don't think that was an accident re the right has set in and it's really society. it's become less than nice. that means there's an element of slovenliness to the way they carry. they conduct themselves. you said you watch um in the debate i had. yes. you were epic. almost 5. our debate with uh, worrying about any and any morris and something else. yeah. yeah. yeah. i know, striking at the very end of the debate, i said that is real now faces are strategic dilemma serious strategic the dilemma is a large number of people in the arab world. after october 7,

suddenly came to the realization or the tiffany, israel's not as strong as we thought it was or israel's not as invincible as we've the one that was. yeah. and then the morris at that point professor maurice very smart guy. he kind of had a nervous laugh. he said, oh, that's ridiculous. we have atomic bombs. we have nuclear weapons. what was striking to me about that? and so was he didn't say we have the id if we have the army, he had lost faith and it was so now he had to talk about the parents of their nuclear weapons. so i don't believe that october 7th was passing an error mistake, a moment of incompetence. it was a reflection of the fact that is real no longer is

what it once was. now of course they're gonna fix their muscles though they prove that they actually do have comparable. that's what they're doing. now going perhaps has beloved. obviously we also had the who these in, in, in the red sea with their, i see blockade. and we also have a mass issue, and there's, there's a, there's a thought here that to show that there really are, i think that's a very big problem there. i think the problem is that israel has one of its central military concepts. this is why the cause it's the turns capability. and the turns capabilities just the fancy term for the arab world, fear of us. and they are very worried now that the arab world because of what happened october 7th, no longer fears in. and so one of the reasons for what's been happening is in their language to restore their the turns capacity. and that does seem

to include against as well. so i think we're very far, very far from the end of what began october 7th. and it could take forms, which will be a regional and may be a global catastrophe if it's a free listing. thanks so much for joining me on upfront. you're welcome. talk to the a. hi, this is an inconvenience. as israel and obstacles piece, i think that the new thing you have on his government with this is 5 digit, you say getting russell. they thought provoking nonsense that you made weapons being used in guns. no guns should be used in an offensive way. that's our facing realities you're running. mean what does he bring to the table?

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