decent on making problems be addressed. certainly be fixed to understand how it affects d. 9 south asia is growing, but employment levels are actually fully. why is that counting the cost? oh no. just the era the projected by the electorate. the conservative policy stuff is this was defeats in decades and the u. k. general electric label is taking kind of a promising change. but is it a watershed moment and you pay politics and how will it shape the way the country is coming? this is inside store the hello walk into the program on the fuck the u. k. has a new prime minister. gustavo has led the labor party to a land slide election victory 1st when and move in

a decade. but i don't see electric truly embrace labor was. there's also a vote against the conservatives. and with 3rd parties on the rise is u. k. politics changing shape. we'll go to a panel in just a few moments time. but 1st offense and mullin. how's the support a landslide victory for labor up to 14 years on the outside. care storm are shifted as part he towards the center restaurants div that's helped him to compute kay's new prime minister. with respect to military, i invite you to join this couple of months of service in the mission of national renew. outlook is urgent. as we did it today. outgoing problem is to reduce your neck was the 4th conservative to hold the post in 6 years. many blame this leadership instability

for the parties to feed. i have heard your anger, your disappointment, and i take responsibility for this loss. the election also, so the rise of the anti immigration party reform u. k. it's leader, right wing populous nigel for raj, secure to see them parliament along with several others. many of the supporters, a former conservative voters, believe the party failed to deliver on the promises of immigration reform. we're going to come 2nd in hundreds of constituents is how many things we're going to win . i don't know which we've done this in such a short space of time. says something very fundamental is happening. storm or face has many challenges. he's promised to grow the economy and improve living standards, redone public services, especially the struggling health care system, and resolve the housing crisis. storm or is clear majority insurance, you'll have near free reign to push through his parties, policies in the house of commons. but one thing's for sure. those who voted for

labor will expect results. and soon vince monahan, al jazeera for inside story, the us. okay, let's bring in uh guess. joining me from london is for my labor policy candidate for gloucester friend boyd from called pill in bedford. sure, i'm joined by leon. m a. riley, a political commentator informa a to you. k cabinet minister, steve barclay, and also in london, is henry newman, a former senior advisor, the 1st johnson, and conservative m p. michael gove a right will welcome to all of you. very well, welcome to inside story on this the historic moment of course and british politics of fraud. i wonder if i can stop by addressing you to someone but becomes the 1st person to take his policy from opposition into power in 27 years, no small feat. he stood on the steps of downing street and his point about the need

to unify the country who is key a stop by a mine who is slow to with both the less than the center of his own polity. he's works under the likes of jeremy called in before officially distancing himself from him. he's now play the sense of ground to we bronze the policy apart from winning. what does he stand for from? well, i guess they're about to find out. i mean, it is a huge majority and a huge achievement. and at the same time, it's clear um, you know, from across the political spectrum the people and the countries crown pertaining coming out fix the news of declining living standards, blitzer ration about public services. and the big question is, is how the boss come labor deliver change on how follow they go? because it is not clear for the manifesto that the offering in terms of economic change is going to be what the country um people, if i did yesterday asking for. so that'd be not simply a, quite the steering,

you know, we've got one in full households who can't afford the living essentials. we've got skyrocketing poverty. we've got crumbling public services, whether that's tens with uh, whether that's our public transport or an h. s. education. and from across the political spectrum, you know, we have seen still most economic policy and the right ways. he's got it prompts and not criticized for not being bold enough. when people actually asking to be tax taiyah to intimate wells taxes and putting those things to be funding public sets they have very deliberately under commit to it's. um yeah, as you said, the in the, in the clip is that people do want to see some change quite quickly because living standards have declined for so long. so that's the real challenge. this incoming

government face is we'll see, you know, what they are able to deliver in the 1st 100 days. they promised the need deal for working people that was able to download the unions criticized not being able to down. but it's still that it's been promised to be delivered and it will make it an impact and kind of set the, the stage to really improving people's living side is the bottom 20 percent. i've had 15 years of decline. and you know, are they going to be able to go far enough and all make that the florida henry of front mention rachel reeves that she's going to be the 2nd powerful person in the government. the chance of exec, a finance minister for those who may not know what that exactly means, she is told repeatedly of quote, secure a no mix front of them to show that that will be a massive economic change to the way in which your labor run the country, but what does the fact that they put that as a priority, say about people's hopes and fees in the country at the moment?

it was the interesting thing from said the very beginning she said, we'll find out what t as tom is actually going to do. as prominent starter that we really know. i think in this election we've seen the conservative policy decisively ejected by the electorate. it doesn't, it's a massive surprised stephanie. it's what all the polls was suggesting for quite a long time. the labor party strategy through the selection has been to kind of work with making balls held tightly between the 2 hands across the slippery floor. their intention was not to trip up not to slip the notes in that spot falls drop and they've succeeded. but it's a quite extraordinary result in not somebody's of course, it's historic, but the labor parties vote shot is significantly below the weather concept as well entrenched 19 under the u. k. system that has given them a very big majority historically drawer size. as i said, we also saw some extraordinary losses on the conservative side with former prime minister will be at briefly lose trust losing his seat in norfolk, along with a host of different cabinet ministers. but as he said now the question, tons do,

what will the future leave for government do? who will cast on, put into the key positions? we suspect the ritual weaves a little bit. so you become the 1st female finance minister in u. k. history. she's a, in some respects impressive post and by do you think we've really understood much of what she wants to achieve? she talked about secure, know, makes it nice to require adult lecture. she gave some time ago, but i think that he, because he might be, might be happy with a relative adult approach to managing the public finances. i might think the batch and they tried to argue this, that that change would be an effective way of transforming the country. that is essentially, they're all giving just stability is change. i don't think right. it's, it's fair to say that the go, the country has been looking for a bit. most ability velocity is less that to you is the oldest, the key to, to labor success. i mean labels. but as you get this big majority, without really saying a huge amount about what they going to do, apart from what we've heard from storm on the steps of downing street a little bit earlier on, can you said should some more lights on the bus, the,

the so called main boss strategy that henry talked about what we on to page start to do. yeah, well, i think the 1st thing to note is that this is not necessarily labeled as victory as a box and it is a conservative defense. i think well keeps stopping, the pumping of dumb is played an incredibly efficient campaign where they have wanting the seats they need to went in to deliver this huge majority without necessarily having a huge share of the votes. and i think that is incredibly small, but it also is an indictment on the law. sol, tv is a conservative government. it is ultimately a rejection of the conservative. it's not because of k, a salma is wildly popular leader in the way that may be totally bland. was in 1997 . it is simply a young, it's a change which i think is delivered the result that we've seen going back to,

to the points made by from henry. we know so little about the case tom uh and what his government going to do because this has been a real sort of safety 1st election campaign from labor and kissed on that. ultimately what he's been saying is, we're just going to do things differently to the conservatives. well, that looks like he cannot make tons in security and defense terms in what it means for the public services. we've gotten very little detail. the last thing to coming for tonight, the coming couple of months will be very telling me soon and get a sense of where the keystone there is going to change the country or whether it might just be business as usual and trying to button down the hatches and get britain back on track, so we didn't have a great deal about summer and his team to be revealed. we do know about fraud. we do know about the impacts that the party has had to pay in terms of the penalty

it's had to pay because of it's highly responsive as i was more ongoing and i mean was permanent and p a. jonathan ashworth, i mean, he was expected to joined the new cabinets as pay mazda generally lost to an independent who was particularly vocal on gauze, the other labor infeasible. say, seeing that a vote share, decimated from reminders of what labor goes wrong here. why the party wasn't as vocal as perhaps they shouldn't be? yes, i mean, we've seen was treating who's, who certainly had on to seat by think just under 600 votes. so. so yeah, this is a real key issue for the party, and people in the thousands have probably not voted for labor as they have already done for a long time before. then because of labor's hesitancy in taking months to come out in favor of a ceasefire in gaza,

this has had real detriment impacts. and i think there's also a kind of a wider question on how late is thinking about it's for him policy and how that is, you know, it's really not a, it's really not aligned with huge numbers of the previous support is whether that's young people, whether that's minority ethnic groups, you know, we're in 2024, we want to see a more than farm policy and actually uninstall. i'm a, i think that's been huge disappointment across many different groups on the stones and obviously taking way too long. it to come out in favor of a ceasefire. and henry talking about the phone policy. i mean, you were a former special advisor to michael, go to bow a strong certain. i've seen images of you where you're get breaks. it doesn't have to mean it was very much for the full front of your time. and number 10 is

especially advise the body. i mean, i live into the room who is actually mention, brett, so the tool i didn't here stop, i mentioned, breaks it on the steps of dining street and in his acceptance speech. why is that? well, i think in general, i think foreign policy is a major determining factor in most british elections. i think it's obviously true that in a number of states that was that kind of gauze or reaction. but it's, i think it was. i think, i think if i was a lever strategist today, i would think, well, you know we, we lost a few crucial seats join us with, as you mentioned, to us the shadow cabinet office, minnesota file to an independent. but languidly, i think if i was to leave a structure, so i'd be pretty happy with the result today. so i wouldn't be, i wouldn't be so searching my so on that grounds. i think your tube, jupiter question, the 2019 conservative as a co edition that was struck with a combination of different back to link. it was

a general fatigue with the brick set paralysis that we'd seen in the u. k. since the referendum in 2016, we had to is amazed premier ship, which was unstable, especially when she lost her parliamentary majority and a 2017 small election. and then, but it felt like the country could sort of noise to take a step forward nor a step backwards. but i think that was from what was old quote, is it that trips to desire to see an end to the end, to get back to the darkness as far as drawing some promised. and at the same time, there was a kind of a policy of a leveling off which was designed to speak to the need to improve the economic and the other fortunes of different parts of the country. and i think that was successful in winning, but restaurants and what being the largest consecutive majority, some stuff that she is. i think you were trying to look at what went wrong for the conservative party. it was partially abandoning that leveling. got mission under what she's doing, i think the policy continued, and indeed my former boss of michael gave was responsible for quite a lot of significant progress. that part of it. we spoke about it actually in the

election. we think what she's do not have a particularly made a big deal of it. he was much more teens took about the challenge of legal migration and the small boats arrivals. but i do think we particularly proclaimed the successes of the u. k. outside the european union, and indeed that being as something of a sort, a conspiracy of silence for both for the main parties on break steps. i think even the level of democrats see what kind of the policies, perhaps the mainstream national uh, will cost you. kate bought the most like to just sort of want to rep bushnell with europe. we're relatively quotes about breaks it compared to the previous elections . the scottish nationalist policy, which is obviously point to justin scotland seeking scottish independence, did speak more about rex it. but i do think that particularly help that full change, and indeed they've fell back very significantly. and now if you left with a few of them, it doesn't. and these, nevertheless, tennessee, usually on what still in the house said when it comes to relations with your business. but so the deal that we've agreed to under the conservative say is, is a poll on that a better arrangement to come can be reached?

do you think that's possible you it is possible. we've seen that actually from really seeing that the wind is a framework, but he negotiated did seem to bring the u. k, slightly closer to europe and seeking to be widely accepted by the business community. you know, this is a step in the right direction. i think what keeps tom a now has to do isn't balance a very broad coalition of audiences. what you've got low is in the south putting up in areas who wanted to see the type remain in the european union from the outset. and then you've got the seats in the north of england, which is strongly brooks. the 2 states. the want to see the u. k. remain far away from europe and i think for kissed alma he now has to juggle the proceeds of that incredibly wide elect from coalition that he is built. i do think that ultimately, reality is going to dictate the u. k. and we'll have to have

a closer relationship with the european union over time. i think that we are likely to see that happen more likely to see that happen under labor government. then we would have died under a conservative government because of the, the internal politics and the history within the 2 policies. but i think that could cost k a salma, a number of votes if that happens before the next election in, in 5 years time. and that could be the thing that spells the beginning of the end if it gets tama, but we're getting ahead of ourselves. discussing that at this point. i think ultimately what's dominant going to do with a big mandate with a big majority is trying bringing the country together from united because treat your line under the division of rex. it that we saw in recent times in politics and trying to move the country forward with the close relationship with the error button. don't necessarily back into the fold in the that, that we will have the full breaks it. all right, let's talk about some of the challenges of uniting the country shortly. but 1st,

let me give some context to our view is about precisely how do you k election works because so you k elections use what's called a 1st post, the post system photos, choose the preferred candidates in the constituency, but there is no 2nd round of everything the candidate with the most votes wins that can lead to outcomes where the percentage of the vote is significantly different to the number of seats of policy winds. so for example, labor has one a large majority in parliament, $412.00 seats, but only about 34 percent of the photo. 12 reform u. k. got more than 14 percent of the vote, but i lead for seats upfront tony to you because when you case 1st past the post, the system labor wins. as i mentioned, that with around 34 percent of the popular vote. i mean compare that to tony black back in 1997 where he gains just over around 43 percent the device. i mean, of course, this is a label on the slide, isn't it? but so there's a problem here when it comes to legitimacy, isn't that?

yes, i mean the thing is when you come and you just put it last night, is the 17 majority. but without the 17 vote chavez less than 2 percent higher. then when the chalet button 29 seeing are obviously very strong some that the conservatives to gauge majority, i think, you know, we're seeing that this and that tool system of best possible isn't working for most part is across the country. there's also huge support for and that's for reform, for proportional representation system within the labor party membership. and so it's going to be interesting if we can see a kind of bull based coalition from julio position policies from the greens to reform, to push for a tour, a full month to discover meant whether they can bring across some of those lay the empties. you also want see left to reform because if the, the way language should be thinking about it is that if you actually look at the vanity says that is a progressive majority, you know,

in the country which could keep low. you know, the conservatives, our government. so the possible future. so and that to should become a live issue under this government because you know, it's just not working full most by which is the select or system. and that's what we can see with these wild swings from 2092 to now henry, you're shaking your head. yeah, i just, i think i was exposed to if i was a, as i said before, if i was a leave, a stretch just today who can help you think you'd like to reform or think the systems just delivered us an incredible monday. but i take friends, why the point? who do i fundamentally disagree with it? i think one of the best things auto system in back is we have removal truck politics. the 1st post to post system that you're describing a 2nd ago creates quite large changes through elections. and it means that typically was quite unusual. tapco edition politics or some countries like coalition politics. but i think condition politics leads to sort of behind the scenes horse trading on different policies. so it gets on unclear to vote as well.

they're really guessing, and it goes to empower minority interest. as we've seen in many the elections recently on the confident that you can end up with extreme is somebody to the far left to point to explore the far right. constantly having to be brought into a government. i didn't, it's a good thing. i think it's a good thing that broadly the 2 main policies leaving policy and the conservative parties of both actually internal have their own coalitions, internally, the labor party structures all the way from don and i to goes through to polite rights like west street things, the conservative party similes, stretches from one nation tories all the way through to the e. o g i like which is that sort of the, i don't, i sorry to interrupt. i mean, the house about being the conservative policies activities. hazel. hey, i mean who could now unite? what is incredibly polarized policy? i mean, all the conservative as we know them toast, you know, i just think so. i think because of the party will have to change and will have to reflect very carefully on the selection results. and i think it's uh,

that was never to be need to be a period of rebuilding. i don't think it's pre determined, but that has to be an enormous in total beloved last thing which has happened off the previous debates. but i could certainly foresee that happening. but just to finish on the electro system. one criticism is often made of the u. k. system is that there are too many safe seats where you'll vote doesn't count. i think last night and this morning we've just seen that isn't true. we've seen a supposedly safe seats, like the seeds of the former prime minister list trust in notebook where she lost on the electric rejected. i think that's one of the most exciting things about our system. you know, when you go to cost you a boat in the ballot box at the putting station on the stairs always isn't break. you know that your unit voting for a specific m p in your constituency. consistency is a relatively small areas. this 650 of them across the u. k. and the m p gets to know the area pretty well. and it's a good m p shouldn't have a lot of there. and actually, i just don't think that's the case in countries and proportional systems. and i

finally say the we had a referendum twin changing of booting system in 2012 and it was decided to be defeated. okay, how do we? thanks for, for that. so in the last few moments of this discussion, let's talk about some another story off the night. of course, that's what we've been saying. the overall picture when it comes to our labor, when probably couldn't be any clear, but something is hiding and the results here isn't it. namely the reform policy led by the architect of bricks. it's the right way, nationalist, politician nigel, for, i mean, don't you? a couple of years ago, i mean the protection was that they would wouldn't feature to in any forthcoming election but, but come 2nd in a stock ring, $98.00 seats, legal buttons, democracy appeared at least the color listing, coalescing around a single party, but the figures suggest something, something else is happening a deep fracturing in british politics. yeah, cool. fracturing cooling a fragmentation, but we all certainly entering a peer to british politics where they're all

a mold into policies who you can choose from. and for the conservatives, one of the big reasons. so this defeat was, they went out flanks on the rights by nigel for all these reform policy. and the conservative line throughout the selection was very few. but before you will end up getting labor and i have to say that's come true in so many of the seats, whatever form of finish. second, because they've taken away a number of votes from conservative candidates and effectively create to, to a space the labor to walk through. so yeah, there is a fragmentation of politics, but it's not just reform that have done very well. it's been a fantastic night for the liberal democrats as well. it's been a good night's of degrees and we've also had a smattering of independence, also pickup states. so there is a fragmentation of u. k. politics, i think for both labor, i'm the conservative. they have to look at verified shack,

but have to look at the time to people, the type of demographic who a boating for them, and one to how they can show rock bottom vote. in light of this fragmentation, i think that is something that has changed their business politics. innovation is probably post breaks it where we, with the full of that period. it was a case of its labor, well, the tories and there's not much going on. beyond that. i think we have seen the fragmentation of bridges, politics and maybe that's a good thing or back or, or bad thing. is this picking up a lead on what you told him? absent fragmentation, the fracturing of british politics prime. we've got a couple of minutes left. i want to address you already mentioned elizabeth. i wanted to show what happened in scotland and the scottish national nationalist party have been published. what does that say to you? very briefly about the appetite for scottish independence as i mean on scotland. yeah. it's a, it's a really, obviously pretty, uh, disappointing night for us and p. they're obviously been in time while last couple of years. i mean in terms of what it means. subscription independence, i think again,

time labor. they live on living standards on people as done of living and deliver for the beaver of scotland. if they don't, then you know that may be a research and some of this and p. um, but yeah, for now, i mean in terms of what the, the, the polling is looking right on independence. it's not, it's not the top priority as, as with them many issues well is, is, is people's times of living getting investments of public services. and i say, you know, as we know, it was a huge rejection of the conservatives and in scotland as it was across the country and not definitely played into neighbors games. so i think the picture, you know, isn't totally clear that the scottish independence is off the table, you know, for the, for see it will future. but i think for the time being and east and west missed the politics. s and p a. he needs to be weakened and so based how they take that loss and how they kind of decide to, to uh, you know,

respond to it. and obviously in the scottish parliamentary elections next year, i think, all right, but from many thanks to the however, way you rotate this, britain's political landscape is very much a changing. it sounds like the end of the day. it is the gras suites issue. that is at the forefront of focus mines from void henry newman, leon raleigh. great to have you on insight story. thank you. ok. so thank you to you for watching. you can see the problem again. any time by visiting our website. i'll just do a don't com and for further discussion, go to the facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash a j inside story. you could also join the conversation on x on handle is as a j inside story. for me in the fall and the whole team here, bye for now the

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