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. ringback the, the 1971, a military analyst by the name of daniel ellsberg, lead to the press, a 7000 page top secret pentagon study on covering years of official lies about u. s. military involvement in the vietnam war. delete documents, known as the pentagon papers were instrumental in exposing the scope and strategy behind the us as war in the region. and many of the time believed that they could change how the world view war decades later, as complex range on in your brain. you're going to need to just the name of the decision making process behind wars remains as mercury is that what we do know is that billions of dollars is spent on weapons and defense contracts every year, making conflict incredibly profitable for stuff that will benefit from work and who are the biggest players behind the war machine?

and upfront special daniel ellsberg, the daniel ellsberg, thank you so much for joining me on upfront. a thank you for having a large part of your life's work has been committed to not only raising awareness about the dangers of nuclear weapons, but also the money behind them. in 2020 is depend, demik raged. the 9 nuclear weapons states collectively spent an estimated $72000000000.00 on nuclear weapons. and we're now living in a time when the danger of nuclear war, of course, have spike. where does this leave the movement for nuclear disarmament given how much money is that play? and all of this that was kept us from having any real effect on reducing the danger of the war all these years. they're both on was quite effective range and helping stop the above ground trish and then very easily under contract stream eventually.

but in other respects, it really hasn't been very effective and i don't want to move on was conscious as it should be of the money behind jimmy effect that had on congress they were really active. so there was just a question of what people watch which was to avoid know for work or just political, a strategic aspect. so it's not needed. it's dangerous and so forth. but it's getting very little attention to the role of companies like boeing, lockheed raphael in general dynamics and john t i page as you're far they really weren't effective. it's like talking about climate with i'm talking about the extra incorporation or show or show run. and actually this week time i just talked about pretty much we just don't face track and we're finishing large flo shavani directed at keeping the status cool. which is the status goal of extreme nuclear dangerous,

especially in times of crisis like this uh, and of climate move on toward the end of this basically the end of the correction little ization of quickly shuffling and people around the world can talk about the threat of nuclear war and this abyss that we're headed toward, that's certainly a piece of another piece of it is more an armed conflict that's taking place right now is playing multiple countries. you can see that you create and you've got a young man, you've got some malia, you've got the ethiopian list, goes on. but behind wars like that are a weapons industry that you just alluded to. that was worth $531000000000.00 worldwide in 2020 and as of this recording, while the in, based on ukraine intensifies, the stock price is general dynamics, lockheed martin. as you mentioned, northrop grumman raytheon. they recently hit their 5 year highs. so as we talk about more, we also have debra who benefits from war?

can you help me unpack that a little bit who's really beneficial? it is the old dress button slogan coolly, bono, who benefits are going all the way back and we'll shoot for name. let's just go in the last century world war one. the loans by j. p. morgan to the british for arms, for it should british it and tried to deal, or even it had lost the war to some extensions p motor window calling bankrupt. and wilson, our president could not allow that to happen. it would have been a financial disaster and back to show on for later on in particular. whoa, whoa, who benefited from vietnam going on as long as you do it? or ref, cashier right now, the way that we're supporting in your money true arms, just show the review and the way it is keeping it actually genocide, a more going on or a normative massacre. and i think with very little benefit trick shipped to the i'm

sure your factors, people ask, why don't we learn more from our failures in vietnam and finish down and elsewhere? and the answer is how, how solution to learn as far as for very profitable for the people you name for lucky raphael, i'm not sure what any others are. they have anything to learn. i'm afraid that right now, there's 2 major purposes that will keep towards it. can keep the war ukraine going, as long as war in afghanistan. now the, the way that it's being waged now, but by a kind of criminal we're, we're supporting that wish report as we did atkins to show the issue. and that's kind of stand for 10 years on the we'll claim, you know, people would be crowned to pitch in the course of that as we have terms for. and yet it's very profitable for people who are supplying those weapons and keep going to use one other major motives that are fictional evictions in particular in europe . and that is our newest role in or who are not after all european nation.

and we have no particular rule in new york in union or your nature. oh, that's just a mafia. shes culture, no stress, our thing. we control natal, pretty much, and nato position execution or reason to shell norbish them all from arms to now to the farm already workshop packed nations which had only checked her grades are actually soviet weapons all together from the moment that the brother in law came down lockheed representatives were in warsaw showing me, i'm on a need for f 20 tools and for other weapons right there. like it's true, as the russians, reasonably fashion treat. russia isn't indispensable enemy in your nothing else can run a female history channel enemy that's, that's, that's, that's fascinating language. break that down for me, the, an indispensable. and what does that mean?

it means that you can't really justify new tried and shopper range or icbm, which the north requirement is making the whole realize she be out against the ellen or isis order. okay, so they just don't 100 as rationale for a multi $1000000000.00 homes budget. only russia has a target, surely sophisticated arms to fight against. you don't need advance 5th generation fighters against people who don't have heavy aircraft or fighters, or their own, or sophisticated ones, but russia and know china for the future in particular, to offer. not just a ride home or a competitor, but someone who could be painted as an enemy against how many you have to defend. and of course, know in the last 2 months has just been a bonanza for the garbage people. because it last,

shoot me russia look an offensive enemy or sometime who has to be defended against, with the latest weapons, with new weapons. and of course, russia has which military industrial complex to its fascinating reminded me of the black arts poet, gills got herons that everybody loves peace. the problem is you can't make no money off of it. you know, i'm in the past few months, more than 5600000000 dollars has been poured into your brain in the form of military aid from the us, from the u. k. in from the e. u. we seen similar situations in the past when u. s. arms were used by libyan in syrian opposition groups, but what happens when those conflicts are over or seemingly over? oh, where the weapons go. it is the 1st, it's a long time before these conflicts or roles are just, you know, you have kind of shannon went on for 20 years and it could have been much longer in libby and what we did was supply a lot of workings to people who in charge,

show some to other insurance agencies and terrorist groups, others throughout africa and elsewhere. and of course our information now expansion on an effect that she can for soviet license or oh sure, sure. yeah. okay. and then wait or isis. so we shouldn't have blow back to fix all keeping in mind, they didn't have the option just research. we were obviously, they didn't invade ukraine. who did that. however, the, in their people, they were in charge of the government were willing to risk a war life is coming from their policies, which weren't checked for voc rehab in terms of making it likely that the russians here any russian we're, we're the eventually react against it. however illegally, just as we reacted, waiting khrushchev put visuals into what truly is your tires are not specials,

did not, in fact strengthen our security. and i assure you, that is someone who is looking at precisely the problem in the pentagon. at that time working for his mac number, i should say it's not a security problem, initials into what it's supposed to call problem critical the, this is someone at this stage foreseeable, right. i mean, after seeing what happens in syria with thing, what happens in libby or weak as you've done, we can go back decades prior. the weapons end up in the hands of folk who are physically we wouldn't want to have them. and yet we continue it to fund them directly or by proxy. so i guess the question for me is, why do we allow that to happen? and ultimately, what happens to these, what was, what kind of consideration is given to what happens to these width as well? it comes down to who is a we is we're talking about, it's not just, it's not a century tax payers or other citizens who are, by the way, regrettably willing to she, it tests of others who don't look like, gosh,

ukraine is getting much more concerned about the casualty using the word crimes because it is not a problem. most homes that are being victimized. sure. but probably the russians in this case, but it's like christians and they're like thoughts and to show you their rooms for trying which inter increase your public pressure wasn't here before putting all of these on vacations. and so should i what's the problem? we hear that matters, ones that provide the large campaign contributions and they provide the personnel and high level sit tight and the french benefits fine from them. there's no problem . it may not be very successful, but a feeling war is just as profitable as a winning one. in fact and show proof better because it goes on forever. as you see, the winning is over st with uh,

we can show you the libby is it is the prime example uh where in which a shipment sure they have cash and where the webpage fan go to other people. it provided opponents to it. adversaries. what is the pat multiple adversaries are also good for the military industrial complex, not only in our country and ignore as well. it's not only american shows the show webpage, utility is mainly these. uh, let me see the fresh together. and the russians have big arms mortgage in the world . according to the institute for policy studies last year, the average american tax payer gave about $2000.00 to the military. it with over $900.00 going to corporate and military contractors in contracts. the average tax pair contributed about $27.00 to the centers for disease control and prevention, and barely $5.00 to renewable energy. how do you advocate for peace?

when so much tax pare money is going to will call it defense as well because in particular are very resistant to spending on social welfare or of any kind for people or anything that in any way seems to compete with private industry. the one thing you can get republicans to bunch of money for is allegedly national security, even though almost none of these workers actually add or even relevant to our national security, which they are relevant to making french against russian need. russia later, china will be the building of another charlie to serve the purpose of the necessary, the industries chivalry. but now it was hard to keep the cold weren't going uh, fully at full speed with,

with russia engine anyway in the ninety's. and the reports of the century, so knowledge back. and it was by 40 a truck on russia. but now putting his shit into that in a way that i think was not con. welcome to our military industry. if they didn't actually wanted to talk much, or they could even count on russia actually invading another country like to have rush to objecting and complaining and posing and treatment towards rate. and so you do the whole year ago with wordpress, which troops on the edge of your brain and, and brothers. all that was good traditions. and it doesn't, by the way, this doesn't justify. put, was a griffin at all. he's a did. they have reason to feel in the longer run strickland, a russian security in terms of weapons shall close to their borders, like the weapons in cuba. and we objected to the tenant. henry had no retreat of

increasing for training toward vague to all that. and russia has had no legitimate reason, really for rating crane. but nevertheless, we've pursued a policy that was warmed against, going back to the late ninety's by towards kevin others, the founder of the cold war and 1st place who should issue him from describable teller blunder. mistake to make an enemy refresher by moving especially into ukraine of some of the us as top spies and military generals with ties and defense contractors end up as intelligence analyst on various news channels when they retire. for example, former c, i a director john brennan became nbc senior national security and intelligence analysts. i sent you shaking your head. i can't wait. what are you going to say? in former c, i a director michael hayden became a national security analyst for cnn. uh, how much does this compromise with the public is told about, well, what else,

what that state or well it depends, which is the purpose of function here is in times of war in our militarized society . their function pretty much is to show public on the need for more weapons of the need to intervene in this country are really, is also a control by major corporations like general electric uh for a long time and uh, many other uh, dormer space usually don't show short kitchen, uh, pictures of big business. and uh, as i say more is good visions for the media and drones for the administration, even when it's failing to show i'm answering your question. it's natural for them to hire these people for messages to get propaganda out of who better to do it. that nation, the jury or the she i people, if you want endless war which can affect the wish has wanted for

the something. what happens right. what happens when citizens are only told the truth about war uh, after the war's are over, after, uh, government information is leaked after information is the classified. it seems like we only get this under extreme and unforeseeable circumstances from the people who are trying to conceal it. so what does it mean for us? well, the kind of information that we need is a bug for you. um, i was represented by such as the pentagon papers, which was a study of vietnam decision making 44526768. i put that out 1st starting in 69. and then for the newspapers and $71.00, each for that was somewhat related, but not too long. but i put on trial for a possible 115 years in prison that showed down quite a few people, but i didn't see any other b twice. that for 39 years until chelsea manning put out hundreds of thousands for

files long as kind of thing and right. and she was friendship and a half years in prison is no to for his regulations essential relationship criminality by the national security agency. the universal surveillance, not only in our country but around the world, but uh where it wasn't so illegal, but definitely against the transportation in america. it actually is a essentially a lifetime exile. so these people have gotten, go hail revealed the drone program or they did what they should have done just as i think i did what i should have done. but everyone has paid a penalty, very heavy penalty. not in my case. i actually committed so many crimes which happened to amazingly almost miraculously to become revealed towards the end of my

trial, i kept me from having to go to prison and she had intended with the others, as i say, either a trial or a prison. and that just purchased people. you mentioned chelsea, manning, she of course lead information through wiki leaks. and now it looks like we can expound drilling a size is being extradited to the united states. and we can be published, of course classified information including documented supposing us war crimes in iraq and of ghana, stats and publishers were integral to the information but newly about the vietnam war. so i'm curious from your perspective, what happens if that president that you spoke to is said that allows governments to dictate what can and can't be published? well, if i make it this way, it's written just to create a new express position of distinguishable from russians today with drawing a charge of extra charge if he hasn't yet been an extra day. but he was expedited

and prosecuted. convicted here, we loan. i've had the 1st instance of an actual journalist. i haven't get an impression for putting out the truth. i was the 1st source for official to give information like a teacher or should i was put on trial for. but no journalist is here. we're going put on trial, thanks to our 1st amendment, freedom of the press and present speech, which most countries don't have as a law or a of it will be essentially russian did. if julie nashandra successfully prosecuted, and we will have to approach the state control of your information, such as we're shooting in russia today. all of these cases, of course, demonstrate the importance of exposing the truth about what's happening when it comes to war in other matters. and of course, your leaking of the pentagon papers is a prime example of that. but today we have an expansion,

arise even of this information and it's hard to decipher what's true, what's not, what's fact, what's fiction, how important is it to have actual transparency when it comes to government actions and government decisions about war a hi, i'm afraid that transparency and war are 2 words, don't really go to each other. i don't think just together in a hard time, a secrecy that the government carries on all the time of audits on crimes and lies and misleading statements from bad predictions, from regular sections that secrecy. and so to trivialize should war because you have to keep it from one your enemy. that's one of the senses in which direction enemies are indispensable, especially as a free long term. once in the cold war, we have to keep things from the russians altogether and show you don't show pick transparency. and when people do come out, there's 2, they either get,

they do get prosecutor when it's coming out of the ship, part of it, which is you're just saying is nothing much happens. it may affect public opinion additional except for public affairs. doesn't try pharmacy or whether award can be handled or not. i hoped it would. and in fact, it might change. nixon would show concerns that i might put out his shake, which, which i did have, but i didn't have documents to prove it. but he thought i had documentation to shut me up. he did domestic crimes against an american me, which actually filtered far more politically than a 1000000 as of other people we were truly in vietnam or crime against an american congress more. unfortunately, when these things have come, owed, i have to say not much exchange. so there's a problem with the audience,

with the citizenry. you could say with our species. and i actually, i do say that our willingness to support on questioning a liter, especially when he or occasionally she can point to something restricting their security. and she has to shut down public information about it in order to people who are wrong with that pretty well. and when they find out there's not too many of our own. sure tricia getting killed ashley and they have kind of span. they had to go on and definitely have cash that was 20 years ukraine. i think for deval down the russians came in more, didn't get out, which i don't expect them to, to wish than others will be supporting a little more which quickly is costly to the ukrainians. as a guerrilla war, this p mosier dean products that we supplied. again, to show the edge and that's kind of stand that cost, so maybe and

a half after and lives. and i would hate to see that imposed on the grant in people one under any circumstances. i venture war like that in vietnam. and i saw what we did to instructions from the way a bottom question, several 1000000 lives that has not yet been the price in afghanistan, no matter what we're hearing about for crimes. because it will, could be show and negotiated outcome, which constructions are made on both sides. however, i'm satisfactory by 12 to many people on both sides could shave hundreds of thousands to be the initial 5. and i would like to see that happen. i don't think it will, i don't think it will. wow. and on that sobering note, i want to thank you for your time, daniel ellsberg. thank you for joining us on a thank you. on

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