it's renee, this is inside store the hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much enjoying an anniversary is usually costs for celebration, but with an a total facing greater challenges than ever before. the summit in washington that mark 75 years since its founding will be a more serious affair setup at the beginning of the cold war. its focus was to counter the nuclear arm power of the soviet union for us as far as going, but natal remains expanding from a dozen members to 32. its focus has expanded to well beyond the north atlantic fighting wars in afghanistan, the balkans and libya, russia remains its main adversary on both sides are coming closer to outright conflict in the war and ukraine. then there are the divisions within the organization. and what might happen if donald trump becomes president,

again of nato's largest member. so what challenges does the alliance face, and what does the future mean for global peace or the risk of more war? we'll be taking a look at where nato is now and what might come next with our guest shortly. but 1st, this report from michael centuries milestone for the military alliance or was shadowed by security threats and divisions from within its ranks. the north atlantic treaty organization on nato is smoking. it's 70 to stand mostly at an event dominated by russia's vote in ukraine. us preston, joe biden promised full support for keith. when he welcomes member states to washington d. c. on tuesday, rochelle has out a wave of drone and miss on slide some ukrainian cities recently, including from one of the children's hospital in the captain, nearly 2 dozen allied partners. i've signed the bylaws, security gave me secret, more card you will follow. today, i'm a house in the store, a donation,

a very defensive equipment for ukraine. united states, germany the remaining, then it will provide ukraine for the equipment for 5 additional c, d, 's, your defense system. the summit comes full months ahead of the us presidential election. vote southcom could impact the future of the 32 number military alliance by allies of preparing for the possible return of native skeptic donate from to the town to the white house and its consequences during his previous them from slipped into withdrawal from the organization and is against providing more age to ukraine in the us is a natural founding member, and it's big is financial, don't press them. load them is the landscape who's also attending the summit remains of domestic about the us policy to us ukraine. i hold that united states

will never seriously think to go out from the town. i think so, but it's it's, it's not my decision. i'm just sharing with you my, my thoughts. uh and i hope that if the people of america will vote for uh, president trump, i hold that he has a policy with ukraine will not change a deborah internal divisions to the home, gave him prime ministers meetings with the russian and chinese preston's have left detention and took in hungary trust frustration by delaying the approval for new members, finland and sweden. but outgoing chief judge stilton bug says nathan members are united and i increasing the contributions. so for the 3 of us are investing more a 2 percent of these the, the defense. this is twice as many asked us the 4 years ago. on the progress

of nato was founded in 1949 to come to trips by the former soviet union. states can stir and attack on one member as an attack on, on. so fall, it's managed to would die, the confrontation with russia. but many believe the risk of that happening has never been great to consume sherry. i'll just see the inside the. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guess from london, we're drawing by starting the east, and so we have no real progress on the issue. and no real debate will be necessary to have, i think, in some respects, we also shouldn't forget all the ukraine is very high up the agenda. the allies also have a lot to discuss in their own defense, their own regional defense plans. the institution does that make those plans real.

so ukraine is a big topic, but it's not the only topic at this summit this week. janine, what do you say from your perspective? what are the biggest priorities for day to right now, and what are they going to be discussing? most of the summit. right, so i am the executive director of the reckoning project were war crimes unit inside you clinking about now, just hank, i saw you reacting to what you needed was saying that i wanted to give you a chance to jump in. i usually use, i've done find a number of the really vital issues. and i think the specter of donald trump is perhaps one of the most significant problems. it's trump, obviously, in the 2018 summit when he was president, the very famous summit and brussels thing, close to pulling out. so the lines. and what you'll see now is it, your p and allies are trying to judge how far they need to have. you get back to has been very lucky about the timing of it. so somebody to find the bus route because the of the somebody is taking place at a time when. yeah, ukraine is losing the war. we've rush or losing it very badly,

but it hasn't lost of all of your firestone, so, so and naples of night, so to keep up to percent that saw this, the sun cause ukraine victory is possible. the 2nd thing does enables the nato and the west to, to, to evaluate, to avoid the whole question of how this was going to ent and the for what, because the stations some kind of, of, of a piece that's not as long as the whole thing is going on, the cost of just already spoken about, isn't it? yeah. nato westlakes are putting on a political sho, football and uh, you know, to the ball stays johnson and the american presidential election. now i have decided i post, i don't think the trump poses an existential for it tonight to figure out show very lucky they will shake off that the lots in various ways, but i don't think you possibly can exist central, right? i think trump to very, very well posit extension for it to your crime, because uh, in the fall of a significant concealment of us, simple for you create a new crime,

isn't such a bad position. now a trump presidency could be, you know, that the, the final blow to you tried as far as edition in america with the students who are protesting on campuses who are deeply upset about his policy, his and blinked in come back to the wall, which not, sorry, the trust is not a site that hasn't been st set up. so the, the cartridges of costs to tear up it. but, and you credible the, all the white majority, hundreds of thousands of people have been sold. it's not, not, not, not civilians. if the war in garza was being conducted in the same way that the warrant ukraine to speak to dr. that'd be fine. the fuel costs just for us and then for the fuel, a change of children's cap. just another thing, is it just st. silence? i was made to the west coast uh about that is that it stopped me. i dont know. they'll say anything, anything until i should try and i'm gonna get you with a couple of questions just a 2nd. but jeanine,

i want to ask you to follow up on what jeffrey was saying that he was talking about atrocities, or lack thereof. he was talking about statistics and i thought you were reacting to that because you do investigate war crimes. i want to ask you your reaction to what he was saying. look, i came of age sadly during 3 genocides shrub anita rolanda and these you do slaughter. so numbers and jeffrey's absolutely right, the civilian casualties are nowhere near the 20 to one ratio that these rallies are killing palestinians in terms of how mos combatants, the sheer number of casualties in gaza has shocked me. and i've reported more than 19 more. several of them nature wars. it shocked me beyond belief, but again, i want to get back to political will. now there has been a huge, i think there's so many fishers, especially with a nature, was hungry and potentially other countries. the rise of far right in, in europe, if it will, if it can maintain that. all right, sure, shank,

thanks for your patience. in fact, janine just mentioned what i wanted to ask you about, cuz i want to drill a little deeper into all that is going on when it comes to this summit. the summit, of course, is meant as a projection of strength and unity. but we know that there are internal ripped, among member states and nato hungry and turkey. they were whole as well, they can send. but i think there's a misunderstanding that nato, as an alliance who's somehow interested in getting involved in asia and deterring china and getting stuck in the orbit side is actually conducting a yeah, organized deliberate mass, a trust is against the civilian population. and the proof of that is a relatively not load number of sufficiently, so a civilian casualties you've got. if, if what, if what's been said what's going on you price was actually going on because the everywhere we would see said we didn't catch him tuesday. the in the, not just, not the 10s of thousands. okay, so, so i started by my book and i might point to below any civilian desktop, any, any,

your atrocity is, it is, is truly terrible. which is why it's so important to bring this or to an end as soon as possible in order to to, to any further shipping, your desk or, or, or trust is. but obviously i'm different different, i'm sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we are starting to run out as most of it is actually for tribute to anything tools, a path to pace you price. that's the problem that dr. palmer house. i i just, i mean i don't mean to interrupt you, but i do see to janine wants to jump in, please go ahead. i'm thank you jeffrey. thank you for your points and i have to contradict you. well, with all due respect to respect your, your knowledge of the soviet union, but you're wrong about the kremlin is atrocities and ukraine. i spend my days going through testimonies of victims. right now my team is working on something which is so sinister, which is the kremlin abduction of ukrainian children. $19000.00 of them. we're tracking them. we've been tracking them for a year. i do want to get back to sean,

because i want to ask you more specifically right now about what it means for nato going far. we've all spoken during this discussion about the concerns about the prospect of another, trump presidency. what does it mean going forward for nato? if that is the case, more likely that we see a scenario in which there would be a direct confrontation between they to and russia. is that within the realm of possibility going forward? and yes it is because i think put in we're, we're, we're not certain what is going on in his mind. he's so isolated. i think it absolutely is a possibility. but i think more to the point in this is where i come back to jeffrey's point. we do need to look at how this war is going to end. is it going to be a more that goes on for, for decades, where it will become a guerrilla war, where the front lines will be pushed back? a small amount and hundreds of thousands of people are going to die? there does, there has to be some kind of negotiated settlement,

but at this point i can say from the ukrainian side they are not ready to go to the table and nor. busy will they, they want to continue fighting. they want complete territorial integrity and that means crimea, so it's just a matter of how much putting feels trapped, you know, like a ride in a cage. how and how he will laugh, shout. but i do think it's possible. i mean, i think kidding the hospital in keys the other day it was symbolic for him as well . and he had been quiet for a while and then this. so um yeah, i do think we have to look at, you know, consideration of what, what he could possibly do. jeffrey just a, a final thought i want to ask you about, i'm from your vantage point. what are the biggest challenges facing they to going for of salvation military granite, aggression against the west, founded to actually um, uh, to defend against that that frank suppose you for? why do i totally missed?

oh, cuz i spent decades decades lucky and rush at all costs. so i know that it was the subject military for us in the sense that the to us do want it to got to have to find the certainly there was a political, an audiological john from something components. but it was administered for it. and that $75.00, he is like a nighttime. it is being minutes rushed. yeah. on, on devices of another. missed the mess. the 3rd page in a russia is poised to strike at west end. you're a what the, what the west. again, it involves a further military ventures off. do you agree? as far as like i say no evidence to actually to suggest that east is because so i think yeah that the to get the chance make faces is getting. yeah. so this me that you mistake ward or into mindset activation of the military base and have the police over the past 10 years, connect with our community and tap into conversations you will find elsewhere, both in the region government and other companies are stealing indigenous land. the

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has promised to give you a crane. at least $43000000000.00 worth administrator aid within the next year. to both source defensive against russian attacks, the page was made in washington dc up natives annual summit. the member states also agreed to set ukraine on an irreversible pos to membership and a declaration. nato also expressed concern about.