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hello and welcome to the program. i'm elizabeth put on climate change is driving global food prices higher with crops. roland and how the swipe down by extreme weather events, staples such as via screens and live stock. what affected as the infrastructure needed to grow or transport them? doesn't matter where you live, the impact is global for which of nations and pollution. one domestic supplies, one shows is one option, but that leads to consume is paying more poor countries don't have that luxury research suggests ready feeding the impact high of food prices are driving up inflation and may do so permanently. and that affects the cost of living across the board. so what are the implications and all the solutions we'll be discussing this with, i guess shortly. but 1st this report from michael soon shed. he's of this year. nothing is growing in take fish and boost called and smells give samo from ne, in some salt lake is one of millions of people in southern africa affected by

severe drought. he goes vegetables to feed his family of 6 and selves the surplus to buy livestock. but now he has to rely on community kitchens for food. uh good is 80. um this. yeah. their names are very bad and the dam is dry and i thought we were not able to work in the garden. in china, heavy rains and floods in april affected millions in the southern city of shang rome, spades of farm land, set much. i used to plant rice here, but now it's all flooded, flooded beyond repair. sign to say, climate change is causing extreme weather patterns, intense heat waves for long trouts and watts per flooding of becoming increasing. the comfortable vide unintended crippling agricultural production was in global temperatures. i expected to make matters worse. there is

a nearly 9 in 10 likelihood that at least one year between 20242028 will be the hottest on record even hotter than 2023 which smashed all temperature records almost whole agriculture. the sectors from oldest cultivation in europe and cocoa following invest africa to fishing in the us, impacted production costs rise. let me see, i'm for pete. we humans did not succeed. enforcing the climate change was going to knock on our door as one is the rest of the world. a study by the european central bank suggest hyatt, temperatures alone, blue push out a new for prizes. this in tone, but add as much as 1.2 percent to overall inflation, affecting economies consumers and produces massive that of that. what was, of course the price rise impacts me. the price is already affecting me financially,

even before the bread price increases, barely making it with the current situation. both countries worldwide, i expect it to be affected by climate fuel and inflation. floater nations would struggling move from the impact of pricing for prizes. and farmers like picture symbol will need to find other ways to feed the families from a consumption grief. i'll just 0 for inside story. the. well, let's bring in august joining us from devin and the u. k. george montville is a passionate and prolific champion of the environment. an offer of the book. re genesis, feeding the world without developing the planet and piedmont, italy finley. when it's a food systems and climate change analyst also space and inc. newsletter focusing on food and climate issues. and engine eva is karen small, as she's the executive director of the shambles center for food and climate. she

advises policy makers, world wide about agriculture and food systems. great to have all of you on the program a lot to get through with george. i'll start with you and devin, what role is climate change paying on rising food prices? i know the impact must vary from region to region. the broadly, what does its role on global food prices? there's no question the tool that it's pushing them up with that also we have seen almost nothing yet. this is the beginning of the sciences school, the shrinking of the human climate. nice reduction of the areas where the lives of growth for the climate breakdown is doing is making food production hot or hot uh to the point where it will become impossible. in many parts of the world. rising temperatures, environment, some places it will be too hard to work outside of that the temperature will

directly impact co, gross possibly because of the loss of sort of moisture as temperature rises most just out of the so partly because of the s on board streaming events of the kind that we've just seen in your short film. it's a very dangerous situation. indeed, it's really worrying if you're saying that this is just the sauce of the impact because we know that chronic hung off to being on the decline from the 19 sixty's. i believe till about 2014 has been on the wives since 2050. so let me bring you in there to pick up on one of the things that george touched on, which is the impact of rising temperatures on climate change. we know that there are many different impacts off climate change that affect food production in different ways. but if we look at the rising temperatures, which is one of the things that we call the most when we look at climate change, what does its impact on things like staple crops,

so many of which you know, the yields of drastically reduce with higher temperatures. yeah, and i see, you know, george, explain very well exactly how that has an impact on these. we also need to remember that higher temperatures for at least, you know, scientists have found, started from the rising c o 2, you know, in the most v a is not just going to have an impact on the heels. so not just the quantity of the food that's being produced, but also the quantity of the food, the file that you know, the rising c o 2. and that must be a could actually reduce. can you translate per t. c at all in some of the stable phase. so we're talking about corner weight, rice. so you know, this is no longer just talking about affordability and accessibility of the food. but the fact that it wouldn't actually impact the fact that this food will be less nutritious. as well, so it will have direct impact on our health to okay, that's

a really interesting point. so you're saying that not only are we paying more for food, but we are paying more for food. that's, that's less nutritious, con, we know that the higher food prices affect different people, different countries very differently. so who are you seeing as being most susceptible to the high food prices because of climate change? i mean, you saw it very well in your story, right? it's these poor small hold us almost in zimbabwe in malawi, all of africa, who are the most vulnerable. and the real tragedy of this story is they are not the ones responsible for climate change. so we have a situation where those who have historically emitted the greenhouse gas emissions, and those who have not are the ones who are now paying the highest price. so that's

the 1st thing i would like to say. the 2nd thing is, is it was like it's only a set of climate shots. so as george colds at the climate break town has become been, you know, we don't need to trigger a crisis every time we have these shocks. crime sees a man my age, and there are different ways to responding to these shots within the slides. routes also, i close that can make the impacts of them messa or worse. so i don't know if you want me to go into it now. but, you know, in malawi, which is another country just next to zimbabwe that you started a new story feasible. so it'd be impacted by the trials. they had a failure in the maze production and the drought who's definitely one of the drivers, but was also a driver, was hi, fertilize the prices this the price gouging by the $30.00 lines are companies charging belong and farm is 3 times more for this. so that lies within the well fed

eliza price. so you have this compounding of miss the lies of being applied a drought coming in as a shop higher prices and not enough food and gallons a 2nd. so that's my. yeah, i just want to pick up on one of the things you said why farm is in malawi, being charged 3 times surprised. refer to life is. and we basically go to a situation where there's only a few photo eliza companies around to the huge amount of malta talent. and they dictate the prices. we've basically got caught sales operating in the 3rd lives of sector in malawi. but it's not just malawi, globally, fertilize the process to otherwise the companies are very, very concentrated and so they take, take the price. mm hm. and then a country like slowly which is a products take up. they come conduce these companies that does notice fremont, that instead of lies the distribution so they can't get it for a fair price. okay, and i do want to talk about, you know, large corporations and then monopolies and how these affect the price of food as

well. but before we get to that, i want to talk about some of the ways that climate change itself is affecting suprises. george can we see in countries, could we see countries be more protection as so i'm thinking of, you know, india, last year. bands, i believe some exports of exports of various types of rise because of a shortage, and that drove up prices. is that a concern that countries can resort to protectionism? this is a very great concern, especially as when the human products need shrinks. it is beginning to do many oh, so the one who become more dependent on food expos robertson less than that. and there's already a great deal of dependency on a few major ex, 14 regions such as the us, canada, russia, and ukraine. i'm result with the invasion, cutting out easily disruptions kind of when just one of those countries is taken

out of the production effectively. we, sol shelves, big players across north africa, across the middle east as a result of rushes and banking of ukraine. so we've got this battery on connections . now we've got extreme dependency. countries, menus and becoming more dependent as time goes on. as you start, right the say, we have a tendency of buying nations when climate breakdown hits to the bottom down the hatches to say we're going to see all right people. so we're going to do for export restrictions on. formerly things combine products, bathroom less stable system and process is something we can come on to. but the real fear in my mind figure that any of the things that we've talked about so far is that disruptions like this come to trigger food system collapse. there's been a series of papers going back about 5 years now,

and it's up to that. let's just say that in many respects, level from system. those are all about the global find the actual system and the approach to 2008. and so george was the system. what does a fluid system collapse mean? since you say that, that's what we might be looking at. what does it, what does it look like? it is almost unimaginable. i consider myself a pretty hard place in german this, but i find it very hard to come there in my mind doesn't. it basically means that the rich fleet and nobody else will return. for instance, by the collapse of one of the huge companies which dominate thing, for instance, 90 percent of the world grain trade goes to just for corporations, 30 dangerous situation. or it could be triggered by environmental event of the comfortably b, c. but the, the system has the comb, fragile versus some of the reasons that the financial system became fragile. and as a financial system had gone down,

it was because enormous even software. if the firm system goes down, we're talking about suffering on a hold of a scale, unimaginable send. one of the ways in which we can stop the food system collapse and george was talking about has this far too much dependence on exports. we sold that with the, you know, russian invasion of ukraine and what that did to grain prices is producing food locally. one of the offices. yeah. so, you know, i think one of the things i do want to say is we conscious talk about, you know, climate impacts on purpose and fruit prices and the possibility of a fruit systems class. we're not talking about the other side of the coin, which is food assistance contributions to climate change, right? because emissions are built into on every single aspect of the car. the way we currently grow, produce harvest process, transport continued, and discard the food rate. we use fossil fuels for our mission to machinery for

processing for transport. you know, there's the energy use in the production of fast license and pesticides in the kind of law still industrial agriculture. that seems to be, you know, very prevalent, particularly in the rich countries. these days, right, the way we produce, that's a good high profit, like flooded rice. veal emitted me sense, but the type of food that we could use like lock stock. also it made me say for a and then so when we ways, i me good food that is also associated with the emissions. so, you know, our culture produces 3 greenhouse gas emissions compet outside and we think and nitrous oxide, which directly directly contribute to conduct change. so we want to talk about a pointing of fruit systems class. we also need to talk about the role that fruit systems play and how we can reduce the impact of fruit systems on climate change.

yeah, you told him about a vicious cycle with climate change impacts food production and hence food prices. but the way everything about the food production system is actually exacerbating climate change of how it count as someone who, you know, really advocates for helping pharmacy for you know, supporting especially poor fonda is how do you support food production and, you know, people to produce food locally to be less dependent on exports and that international system with large corporations having monopolies while still protecting the planet . so this is a really hard one, and i want to come back to some of the things you've discussed before. for me, that slopes and trade is not a problem. i'll send in the case of a shop. we need more trade, not less trade because with the shock happens might be local, right? the drought and then bob, we watched out soon, but we've production. it needs to impose most food to satisfy its needs. so the

idea is not less exports and less trades. the idea is less concentration. so we don't want 3 come on country supplying bowl about stable, and we don't want 3 companies trading all about staples. we need more, less concentration in the market, and then we need more options, full trading. but the case i gave you in malawi, the 3rd thing that went wrong was trade policy. the milan government closed the board is at the moment of this crisis was next to in terms of media and your data filled bumped across the board is open to the printer. the production that happens intensity and uganda. the crisis for the collapse of the food system that's currently taking place in malawi, where we now one and 5 people hungry doesn't have enough salaries, could have been avoided. so i think the role of government and the role of public

investment in making sure there's more choice in the system. more local, more regional mobile mobile options to trade is going to be absolutely critical to making sure that we're more resilient to these shocks. george, i think you wanted to come in there. yes, i strongly agree with the terms analysis. i think she's absolutely right. it's very easy. and a lot of people that say, well, the problem is this important dependency than the officers or the nice ation. but the, the house trends is a many places by law, the number of people is, does not have enough. so it's outlined in water to grow their own cost. there's a simple mathematical reason why no one can be fed locally published in nature, showing that the average of distance over which so well as people can be fact if we stay from cups is 2200 kilometers. so we are going to need trying. there's no question on the movement of food around the world. difficult, and the magic is,

this is what we have to make much farrah. we have to break up the corporations, we have to break so great, but this time we have some, some powerful corporations which is a leverage of government id, stabilize the system. that's a key element. and is enough of that being johnson as well. maybe not. otherwise, we won't be in the situation that we are in, right. i mean, just to reiterate what karen and george said that they were having a discussion at the moment around, you know, climate change and it's impact on a free price inflation. but sometimes, you know, we lead time to change because it's an easier sort of like a easier to talk about it rather than talking about the system, any quantity between the global south and the global know the concentration and the food systems. you know, not just the grains on the customizes, but even, you know, everything from the genetics of the mice still can pull trees to, to,

to pesticides, to our comfortable, massive concentration into spend the facts of an agricultural policies. but for very many decades have focused, extremely narrow lee to any on productivity and efficiency and no thoughts about what could be the impact on, on nutrition. you know, the impact on a planetary health is that, you know, this is, this is the result. what we really need is lots of people have to product fluid systems transformation rate, and that has been talked about so much that sometimes it has lost meaning. but what we need is a system that is much farrah, much healthier, and much more environmentally friendly environment is not a company. there are too many invested interests, you know, low key, lots of the pages that need to happen. okay, carol, let me bring you in because i know that there's billions of dollars being spent at

least being pledged and billions of dollars being spent on climate financing. are they being, what are they being spent on? okay, so here is, is exactly where we need to be going to find some of the solutions. so the last couple we had the emergence of this climate fund to help countries adapt to climate change. and countries have pledged between 80 and a $100000000000.00 to finance this climate transition. but the research paper done by the climate policy institute found that less than one percent of climate finance is going to support the small holders. like the ones that we've seen in the stories that you've shined less than one percent. the both have the money is going in the energy transition in the transport sector. green infrastructure. but we need to see much more of that climate finance that in money, that capital going in to the food safety stuff. to small whole the sama so that

they can become more resilient to climate change and can get themselves out of hunger and poverty. i'm enjoy which what do you think the solutions i know that you're saying that agriculture as one of not the biggest problem for why we are in this, in this situation. so can it be possible the solution? the most big version box can be and the some of the things that single sang a really important solution to always account based on it is one of the main ways in which you can massively reduce the environmental impact culture. it reduces land use and emissions by about prey cultures. and so many of the problems to do back in culture actually to do with designing stock exchange amounts of land that requires massive greenhouse gases. it produces the amount of, of rain which is channeled into farm animals rather than directly to humans.

only made the system more dangerous for the pallet and less resilient. but georgia does the thoughts and who does the big step apply to? because, you know, i'm thinking of, i mean, we have access to a plant based on it, but there's many people in parts of the world who don't have access to as nutrition is a plant based diet, as we do rise. so i'm very much, i need to visit the people that have a choice in the dodson. i'm, you know, the regional level is much, much higher in rich nations and it isn't pulling ations. so those of us have a chance. those of us who also rounded by for us as many of the rich nations all should use that choice as wisely, as we possibly can. obviously, so many of those people who have no choices will say the, i'm the one to bring to them and say you should be a different day. uh, you know, those of us have to switch to

a different dots and more of friendly dot. as i've know, just a responsibility to do so. we have a model judy to do some to anson one, so maybe i would. yeah, sure. yeah, sure. okay. let me go ahead to, to absolutely right. where we are consuming too much leads, cuz frankly me to meet in the area where the and both of our missions are coming from were consuming too much of it. so basically all of the high income countries, but also a lot of the emerging economies, like china, too much me consumption already. we need to reduce it and the only way to do it is to tax it. like we types tobacco, like we type sugar c, find the way to get it down in the speed at which we need to get the emissions down to save the planet. and to help people is like the people involved. we not be in that situation. the 2nd thing is, as george says, the people who are totally in the pores, countries need to eat more animal souls,

proteins like dairy and may, because otherwise they malnourished. so for them to get rid of something and wasting, and to not be malnourished, they need to get the calcium. they need to get the b 12, they need all these vitamins that we have to go through consuming the animal source food. but it's the same model that the high income countries of the industrialized countries have followed spending 20 years time. we end up with the same problem. so we have to think about what the right mix of this transition looks like to help people get nominated fission today, but not to create in 10 years time, the same problems that we've created in the rich countries. and. and then who do you see implementing these things, or even thinking about these things, you know, in a way that's, that's practical. well, it has to be a broad base alliance rate of both of the. yeah. do you see it happening anywhere

as well? okay, so i wanna, i wanna get, i guess, perhaps to make it wouldn't be 2 points. one is that, you know, current area was talking about the fact that, you know, a lot of the climate finance actually doesn't go to small. the farm is we've been around, you know, sustainable for existence is currently hundreds of billions of dollars a year in terms of subsidies. the government economy give a mainly to you know, commodities quite a lot to me as well on the stuff that emissions heavy rage. not necessarily nutritious enough. that can be re pompous. it's not easy. i'm not saying it's going to be easy, but there is money, as long as there is. let's go with for each. but they're also examples current talked about malawi as an example, and i want to talk about malawi as well. because last year i went to the north of milan, we continue each with a along we and, and your non profit coal. i think it swells foods and healthy communities. and what

they've done is they started out as a model of project to reduce mount nutrition and children, which then sort of became a multi faceted interdisciplinary project that tackled things like john the equality and turned the dimensions around you know, farm work introduced into cropping, growing differential cross in proximity, growing tree, planting trees, and focusing on vintages this, you know, very i, as we know that i'll probably, i'm sorry, i'm so sorry we run out of time, but i know that all of these things into length has been a fascinating discussion. i think that we could have all spoken. i could have certainly listen to all of you for a much longer time, but we have run out of time. i want to thank all of you that is george, mambo and devon. then they went in piedmont and tyron, smaller in geneva, and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting

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