to the bargain voltage but, but quite clearly for several decades before that you have a combination of um, changing technology. you had the cable television uh segmented. um, the media providing the, the perspective that a certain segment would like to hear rather than a broader perspective giving more balanced or neutral coverage. and you have the, the progressive and domination of the republican party by progressively far right. the elements to the point where, you know, the, so the republican party is drawn segments is not the controlling one. certainly the trump elements advocate or a government series which is called the unitary, the security of the unit. terry present unitary government, sounds benign is weird because, you know, who knows what that means,

what it means is that you are actually creating imperial presidency and eliminate these checks and balances that are designed into the us system. so that no one's branch of government dominates. and it would be present to, as the supreme court just said, frankly, can ignore the law and assassinate someone if he says, well, it's in the kitchen. my line is it's in my job. i still function, which is a lunatic thing to say. where does that theory come from? the it was designed and, and is based upon the writings of a lawyer named carl schmidt, who was carl schmidt. she was at all hitler's personal motor qu, justifies kristallnacht the tax, also germany in 19 thirty's against the jews. and the burning of the rice dog and the seizure power. it's a frightening trends in the of the typical dynamics of nice states

then called thank you very much indeed for joining us again. here on out is here. i'm carry johnston. you're watching, i'll just here. it's just off to $100.00 g m t. let's take a look back of what happened in the past couple of us president donald j trump with us shortly off to 2200 t n t. former us president donald trump walked on stage and brought to the pennsylvania for a scheduled campaign ready. he greeted the crowd and started his speech. trump was just warming up. it was in the minutes into his address. when shots rang out, said she likes a couple of months old, and if you want to really see something, this said, take a look what happened? the

old old trump was rushed from the valley, visibly leading from his ear. it was taken to a local medical facility spokesman bates who reported the trump was being checked and that he was, quote, fine law enforcement officials say the instance he's been treated as a possible assassination. he was speaking of a sudden we have pop, pop, pop sounds, a lot like fireworks. then we realized all the secret service. it was at least 4 of them, jumped on the stage, pushed them down, and all that, they were the news people that were around them on the front. they pushed them all down to the ground. the president is hit or nick right here, according to the my photos he was bleeding here and down in this area here as far as on the right side of a space. lots of secret service. there. it was,

all the trump is set to be fine. and those thousands that streamed out to the venue security pulled in helicopters, as well as the head and police with guns joined the patrol. the area is now so shortly off to by law enforcement that the shooter was killed by secret services. at least one of 10 deals and rowdy was killed. there are reports that one other person is in a critical condition. but it will trump himself is just made his 1st comments on that truth social off to the event. the fact the secret service and law enforcement for the quick response to the shooting and extended his condolences to the family of the person who was killed at the ready and the family of another person who was badly injured. he said it was incredible that such an that could take place in the us where it says nothing is known about the shooter who was killed with trump says he was shot in an off or part of his right. yeah. the quote immediately knew

something was wrong whizzing sounds and felt, but it ripping through the skin. he said, much bleeding took place, and that's when he realized what was happening. he ends by saying, god bless america. under the past hour us present, joe biden is address the nation. he condemned the shooting. courtney, it's sick. i have been fairly brave my. all the agencies of the federal government has some situation based on what we know now. i have tried to get ahold of donald whose versus doctors they apparently he's doing well. i plan on talking now shortly . i hope when i get back to the telephone book, there's no place in america for this kind of island. it's sick. it's sick. it's one of the reason why we have to unite this country. we cannot allow for this to be happening. we cannot be like this. we cannot condone this. and so, and i want to thank the secret service and all the ages,

including the state agencies that are in gauge and making sure that the people who and we have more detail become relative to the other end or other people may be injured in the audience. i don't have all that detail. we'll make that available to you. i may be able to come back later tonight, but we'll put out a statement if we don't. if i'm not able to give it free, if it's not convenient for you all. but the bottom line is that the trump rally rally that he should have been able to can be conducted peacefully without any problem. but the idea, the idea that there's political violence or violence in america like this is just on part of just not appropriate. and we, everybody, everybody must condemn it. everybody, i'll keep you informed and if i am able to speak to, to donald, i'll let you know that as well. so far it appears he's doing well. number one, number 2, that there's thoroughly investigating what happened to anyone else in the audience i have. we have some reports, but not final reports in every agency,

the federal government. and i'm going back to, to my phone, to speak with the federal agencies that are being put together again to give me an updated pre peters and i, they happen. they learn the more in the last couple hours. so thank you very much. and i hope i get to speak to him night and i'll get back to you if i do just present, do you think it was an assassination attempt? i don't know enough to i, i'll tell you, but i don't have any fax. so i want to make sure we have all the facts before i make some comment, any more comments. it was on hands and it was just outside the area where the reality was taking place. he joins us now live from buckler in pennsylvania. so don't bring us up to speed in the very latest. well, shortly after we heard those shots ringing out and we were here on air, people began to rush out of the arena and they were screaming that shots had been

fired. we spoke to a number of people who told us they were upfront, that the secret service response was instantaneous within seconds. and you could hear that if you listen to the tape have quickly those responsive shots come out that you mentioned. they did confirm that the government was indeed killed at one other spectator was killed as well. but this, this is something that could have gone much worse. there were thousands of people. they had lined up for nearly a kilometer year before going into that event and they were packed pretty closely into that event. so it is likely that many more would have been, could have been hurt, you know, had the secret service not acted as quickly as they did. and now what we're seeing is they're kind of a unity that we don't normally see between president biden present. a former president trump in the middle of a heated campaign where they're competing against each other. and as you say this,

this will be investigated is being investigated by the secret service as an attempted assassination. and so how did split types has react to this thing when it happens a well, here we shock fear people were running out. some people were screaming, there's a shooting, there's a shooting, some of the people we'd, we wanted to talk to just sped on by some of those we did talk to said they were in shock and that they really wanted to get to their families. and they wanted to get out of here, it wasn't clear that the situation was contained and it took a while for the information to filter out that the government had been in the words of the secret service neutralized. so there was some concern that this might not be a safe area, but we did see after a little while there was a fairly orderly filing out of people. some of them pretty angry. some of them obviously upset. and in shock, we talked to

a number of them and they confirmed pretty much everything that we've been saying. it appears that despite some confusion early on as to whether there was more than one gunman, there appears to only have been one. and a person in the audience should have been struck. one of the women we talked to and said you spoke to a man with blood all over a shirts. she asked if he was okay. he said he was okay. but that he had just helped someone who probably wasn't going to be ok. and of course, now we have learned that at least one spectator was killed or rather that one spectator was killed. we have not heard that anymore. have been we understand it's on that security has been increased to trump tower and all the sites connected to him. but just to be clear, has everyone left the site now where you are? is there any activity going on there? now? there are a few people. there were a bunch of merchandise shops. you may be able to see. i don't,

i don't know if we're gonna be able to hold like this properly, but there's one stand left here where people are packing up. there are a couple of vehicles where if these trump rallies, what happens is they are also kind of a merchandise mark in which people as, as clothing and hats and flags with trump logos and symbols on them. and so there's kind of a village, really dozens of, of the stands selling trump merchandise. so those people, it takes a while for them to pack up, but pretty much everyone else is gone. this situation seems to be safe. we just saw a trooper helicopter that is a police helicopter hover over the area for a little while. but now everything seems to be clear, but you can bet there's an investigation going on inside that arena where this took place. and that security will be tight, not just around a trump tower, but also at the republican national convention this coming week. and in august with the democratic national convention, so a security around all of these characters,

while they're continuing that campaign that goes through november, will undoubtedly increasing dramatically. ok, so an engine, thanks very much for that. but before we continue, let's hear from an eye witness to the shooting earlier. it's on the engine a spoke to volunteer who was at the ready. she was in the row in front of the former president. when the shooting began, i was sitting in the 1st row directly in front of the president, trump. i still call him president trump. he was speaking, we were standing up. he was speaking. all of a sudden we had pop, pop, pop sounds of a lot like fireworks. then we realized all the secret service. it was at least 4 of them, jumped on the stage, pushed them down, and all that, they were the news people that were around them on the front. they pushed them all down to the ground. and then the man with the guns cold come up and they start

clearing the area and i hear them clear one clear to clear, right? clear left. lift them up. so they lift president trump up from the ground. president trump says, i want to get my shoes on. i heard that directly from him. they must have fallen off when we pushed him down on his right cheek was a tear drop of blood right here. then when he turned, you could see the right here from the top of the year to the bottom. blood wasn't pouring blood, but it was blood like a piece. then they walked him down the steps and put them in the car and took off. now we could to the right of me, we could see the sharpshooters on the, on the building behind from the gentleman behind me said the substitute or shot to the left. i heard from other people, there was a sharp. there was a suitor on the left and the right side of the drum. i didn't witness that city where there was more than one shooter. that's what i heard was to. the one on the

left took out the speaker. there was a where the brain was took out the speaker. so then i just called my husband is watching on tv, of course, because he's wondering, you know, he knows i'm in the 1st row. he said before they put trump down, he saw the blood on his ear. so that almost indicates that he was nicked. so he was hurt before he went down. that's we all thought when he got up that he was hurt somehow from pushing him to the ground and didn't know what was underneath the teleprompter or whatever he was standing in front of. that's what i thought when i saw. but he said no, they specifically, he showed before they got them down, the blood was there. so they must have nicked the e, i would say they probably nick the little bit of the year. but then midway, when trump thought up and are walking away, he did the 1st month on the stage all the way down. the steps did appeared direct. now to the left, i knew a gentleman who was on the stage earlier. mister elmore from beaver county,

i think it was, he ran for the state house. he had a white shirt on when i saw a shirt, it was blood all the way down like that. so he was definitely in that less stand where they said somebody who saw was he shot or was he helping? so he looked to me like he was not shocked cuz he was walking out. but neither he was standing next to somebody who or he was helping somebody and he got the lien. it didn't look like the fresh blood from definitely looks like fresh blood. if you could tell the difference of real red compared to like us to mir from was definitely have read one here. barbara perry is a professor in the presidential studies the university of virginia. she joins us from charlottesville, virginia, there haven't fatalities in this incident and injuries, of course, a truly shocking event. well indeed, shocking. and yet, as some have been said, sadly, not surprising because of the history of violence and political violence and the history of the love affair that many americans have with weapons and guns

particularly. so in that sense, not surprising. and then i would also add, in this sense, not surprising, because if one looks at the presidency as we do at the miller center here at the university of virginia, as think about book ends of the trump presidency. that in the 1st year of the trump presidency here, where i says, in charlottesville, virginia, the home and university of virginia in the home of thomas jefferson and the author of the declaration of independence. so lots of history here. and in august 7 years ago, a united uh right, so called rally occurred with some sudden this i would say not. there's not enough planning in on the part of the city and the university perhaps because it was a shocking event. but us fairly suddenly appeared one evening at the university itself and it's a story lawn designed by thomas jefferson or hundreds of nazis and they'd

carry torches. and one of the mottoes that they shouted was, jews will not replace this over and over. jews will not replace us. and then the next day, they rallied in downtown charlottesville and one of these man, one of these young nazis, i got into his car and at top speed barreled into account her protest of people on the left, but who were peaceful and he killed one of our towns people and injured many others . and then as i talked about the book as, think about the last months and weeks of the trump presidency in which an insurrection took place. that was all been just by the president trump at that time, who had lost the election to jo ma didn't i and said a few minutes today before the shooting. donald trump did that, that was stolen from him, but it was a regular election, as he had said, by the way in 2016 that the election would be red visa now when the want and then

to see the dentist is deal refunds and he no longer said it was rate, they certainly did a 2020 foment indians direction and a crew to be honest. i but lead to severe violence and death on capitol hill. so there seems to be a pattern here that violence is following this person. that doesn't mean that somebody deserves to be the victim of violence by any means, whether that's a candidate or someone attending a rally. but there that is an example. it seems to me of this pattern and practice threw out the trump years and the trump era that has tapped into violent streaks and the love affair with guns in the united states. and of course, social media plays a parts in this, doesn't it? we, we just on the stand, we just heard that to j. d fonts, a us senator and someone who's been short, listed by donald trump, is it possible vice president take,

has waiting on x the social media platform. he's blamed president biden's, quote, rhetoric for the shooting. what does this do in this situation? is this the sort of thing that you would say needs to be calm down, robin ratcheted all yes, this is inflammatory. and by the way, j d advanced wants to be the vice president of the united states, and i'm sure some day president of the united states. so this is someone who is continuing to just reach out if you will, to get the attention of donald trump to say i am the person you should choose to be your vice presidential running day. so i, i'm sorry to hear that and, and i would also ask people to engage in a, in a thought experiment. let's say, heaven forbid that the other opponents, that is the person running on the democratic side of the current president joe biden. let's say that the exact same thing that happened to him this afternoon that he had been grazed by a bullet. i added rallied at which he was speaking. now,

what do i think that donald trump's response to that would be? i don't know the answer. i don't have an answer, i'm just asking. it is a thought experiment. this donald trump is not known for empathy. and i, i suspect you would have said something along the lines of we need to take america back because he was saying things like that and has been on the campaign trail. and is that all of that since 2015 in this 1st run for the presidency? so i think that the, the judy band now senator from ohio is doing what president trump, and now candidate trump do. and that is telling lies, these are fabrications and prevarication. i, of course, the president biden is running for president. of course he has to engage in some critiques of his opponent and the opposition party. but he typically doesn't engage in demagogic. that is lies half what have truth uh,

picking out people to uh, you know, call the other and enemies of the united states. and he doesn't engage in joining up people's anger. and i'm sorry that the senator vance is engaging in this rhetoric. and by the way, social media have to say, isn't this number media was meant to be those in the press who are between the government and the people. and that's why our founders, in addition to supporting and protected do the 1st amendment. freedom of speech also protected freedom of the press. that was that middle organization to tell people what the government was doing and to let the government know from the people what the people were thinking through letters to editors and things like that. social media is a misnomer because now the people are directly engaging in this messaging, whether they're voters or average people, or senators or candidates,

or perhaps president of the items days i. and i think as one of our colleagues said earlier on this broadcast, that has led to the beginning of patriot in this united states. and jenny, never violets a baba perry. we appreciate your time. thank you. well the instance comes just uh, 2 days ahead of the republican national convention. republican national convention will take place milwaukee, wisconsin, taking off on monday and set to last 2 to thursday at the r and c. trump is set to be officially nominated as the parties candidates for the 2024 election in november, is expected to announce his pick for vice president, which he said he'll do either just before the r and c kicks off or june the convention of thousands of republicans would attend, it's an event that we'll see speeches from big donors, the name politicians, and of course the headline speaker is slated to be. donald trump,

himself. republicans have already begun gathering in milwaukee for the events. some of waited on the shooting. my jessica, right, jerry and milwaukee. i really anticipate the event that we're going to have and my friend just starts and then said, are you watching tv? no more garage at the convention and i know and she said what she said to me or something. i just my, her job, my, her job, this is going to be of the setting week. we have so much spring in our direction for our country essentially. so immediately i just pray for present terms and i'm praying for everybody of those conventions that's happening because 6, it's just scary times and i know emotions, ohio, what's going on america right now is very sad policies. you're trying to do something to take down, shutting down. the people of justice will be served in trump will be back, makes you sick. really?

it gives you the political discourse. it's always been down for them. i think so much of it is just heights. you know, that gets people riled up to a point where that would happen or that opposing political views are so contentious that people can't stand the thought of someone else's political views to the point where they would take action to make an attempt at a candidate for ronnie latrice has democratic policy strategist and former deputy campaign manager for the nissan does. she joins this a lot that from dallas still a real situation, obviously a how are you taking stock of what's happened again, i think it's still very shocking in some ways and, and also feels very much like consistent with the direction in which this country has been going for far too many decades where violence has been prevalent,

gun violence in particular, lack of regulation across the country, has just increased the numbers of mass shootings, the community shootings every day. we see this kind of islands, but communities across united states. and here is just the latest example. again of, of not just the rise of gun bonds, but how rhetoric and, and words can impact uh, the, the, the violence that we're seeing. they are in front of us as you'd expect. we're getting a lots of reaction coming in at least 2000000000. this have come out to the off them off of the shooting and directly endorsed trumps us even musk head of ties there in the extra cos who has already been done. they think that trump's campaign had been in the hedge fund manager, bill outland, who was just announced he's endorsements on social media. how does all this impact the election campaign going forward to? thanks i it's a really, it's a tough question to answer. right. the 2nd,

i'm not surprised by those 2 coming out publicly and in georgia. you mean obviously eli mask has been a wildly take advantage of donald trump supporter for a long time. but as he may say, he hasn't been but you know, i, i think unfortunately this is going to coal less support around both candidates for the reasons that they're there. so they're out of supporters have been mobile in the 1st place. and the thing that i'm honestly most concerned about, we're already seeing all these consider conspiracy theories floating around and people can create and conjecture edge. and i am afraid that those kinds of things are only going to escalate the rhetoric which in turn escalates. the violence says, honestly, that's my, that's my biggest concern, right? just by giving what you've just said, then what should the democrats and republicans be doing right now to bring back a form of civility as it was? so i think again, 1st and foremost,

not playing into this information and just information game allowing for this investigation to fully and thoroughly play out quickly. obviously we all want answers very soon. um and then remembering root cause of all of these things. so whether it's access to guns and uh, and just the like i said, the, the access and, and escalating rhetoric which doesn't happen. so trying to remind people to center humanity and see each other as human beings 1st. and also obviously always considering sources before. i'm sharing information before repeating information, etc. this is a very much a symptom that of the put our eyes ation of, of us politics. and it has been brewing for some time now or just something recent . no, absolutely not. recent, unfortunately and, and one of your previous guests mentioned the at the number of mass shootings and,

and how nothing changed the, the, her rendez actions that were taken in charlottesville several years ago, that took the life of have her hires. and i mean we excuse me, we saw in this country a palestinian voice being stabbed. i think it was 26 times and killed a woman trying to drown children at a pool in texas because there palestinian, i mean we're just the, the, the rabbit nature of the violence in this country is not new and it's just only it's escalated over and over and over and i think the rhetoric and dangerous rhetoric that we've been hearing is, is just a big it is part of what we're seeing. again, play out right in front of our eyes is supposed to do with the power of social media or more to do with those who contribute to social media as well. i definitely think social media can be viewed as a, a root cause and regulations have been desperately needed for

a long time. now across platforms, obviously a twitter is to, in my mind to her on this platform. but other platforms have their own issues as well. the, the amount of misinformation and just information and propensity for it to be spread so quickly across there. so media platforms is obviously a master problem and, and without the regulations that are quite big, we should have been in place a long time ago. it only exacerbates an existing problem, so it's not as of this problem doesn't exist, but it's, it spread like wildfire across social media platforms that allow for again, but just information that missed information to continue to spread. how much the shape, the politically change that coming forth in terms of uh, election campaigns on both sides would it's obviously been an ongoing conversation across a number of different mediums. just the regulation that is required for

social media platforms. a big check in general. we're hearing this conversation around a guy and all of those kinds of things as well. i think this is again, it's, none of this is new. and when these types of things happen and the ability to spread this misinformation so quickly in the propaganda and the conspiracy theories only creates more harm, i think it is hopefully going to escalate the conversation around the guard rails that need to exist across platforms and betrays thank you very much indeed for joining us and for your time here in dallas is here. thank you. let's hear from another eye witness. now, earlier our correspondence joined hindrance spoke to a photographer, who was just a few rows behind the, for my president, when the shots were fired, it was 8 rows back from the podium, slightly to the right. and i was using a nighttime v 72 with a 28 to 400 millimeter lance. i was shooting it all. the president i heard as

far as with the entire crowd, heard about 4 or 5 shots as far as was pop, pop, pop, pop. the top of the president went down my pictures that i have here when he were coming up after the secret service as far as with uh, retreating him and putting him into a secure vehicle and bring him off. the president is hit or nip right here, according to the my photos. he was bleeding here and down in this area here as far as on the right side of his face. lots of secret service there. i've had photos as far as with him going into the into the secure vehicle buddy. he went on his own with the conglomerate of all the secret service up and, and what he got out of it. he's a true donald trump video of a blog. he pulled up his arm like this, so i don't, he's, he's not incapacitated from one i saw. and then we'll have more of these photos

here when we download them later. but over the course of $46.00 american presidents is fully been assassinated. want and office based and 65 favorite homes and couldn't became the 1st prestons to be a suspect in the history of the country because it was shots in the back of the head while watching a play just days off the end of the civil war. as a full month's sauce taking office president james golf fields a shot at a railroad station july 8th, $191.00. he died 3 months later. 19 o one president's william mckinley was shot twice while that's a musical event in buffalo, new york, and president john f. kennedy was assassinated in dallas, texas, and 1963 all traveling and is presidential motorcade along side is one a spring in the macklin load right now is a full met us deputy assistant secretary of defense. he joins us from whitefish, montana, and also glen color. us national security and foreign policy unless he joins us

from boston by scott, thanks for being with us. but i think i might come over 1st if i may come to you 1st. this is still a very real situation. of course, many of our viewers will just be tuning in the overall. what do you make of what's happened? well, unfortunately, it's not surprising. we seen the level of political discourse in this country, get worse and worse, and now it searched into violence. it is something that should never exist in the united states, but unfortunately it does. i would think that would be most helpful at the both parties. both leadership to both parties came out with a joint statement. talking about the, deescalate, this type of actions not just is extreme is this was what the violent rhetoric and the discussions about turning the other side into the enemy. because this is what

happens when you talk that way. i. that's the 1st part that i would say the 2nd part, although obviously the secret service rushed into action quickly and moved the former president. this should never have happened. the more you look at and it doesn't, it doesn't make any sense why this individual was able to get this close. and in with the former president in fire, any rounds at all. so there's going to be a detailed investigation to determine just what happened here. that's bringing the glen call, then how do you regard that in terms of the security situation at that event? well, and we know that the secret service will have to establish their standard protocols, which is to create multiple layers of security through which any individual gaining proximity to the president will have to pass the it's an impressive

series of steps and the secret service i know from having worked with them is quite professional and impressions, but it has in others and shed earlier that nothing is perfect and a malefactors only has to succeed once. and the secret service has to succeed perfectly every time. so there will be, obviously, of course, appropriately an investigation and some errors we are sure will be detected. and then there will be remedies for those specific measures after the, you know, causing the barn door after the horses back. now what is your but yeah, i don't see professions being possible. let me ask you that and then cause still sticking with you from my mind coming on on a foreign policy from people who are watching this all over the world. what was other countries be making of this?

well, i don't think this will really change the stereotypical of some dale sketch, sketch of american society in the american political system, which is a society insane about guns and in a downward spiral of political tensions for at least the past decade. but i would argue for the past 40 years or cost so that i think it will confirm the impressions that america is a violent place that has your rational aspect to which the social fabric just mcelroy. how does this change the situation going forward in terms of the election that does this galvanize donald trump's support based on that a political analyst on the national security defense? alas, then he'd have to be a political analyst to know that this will definitely galvanize form president

trump political base. and it might with some of the people that are on the fence in the middle. pulling the pull down to his side, quite frankly, just out of empathy. but i do think it does highlight just how many weapons, quite frankly, are on the united states. i mean, i'm in montana where almost everybody has a weapon, but they are right now. i just looked it up, there's a $120.00 weapons per $100.00 americans. right? so it's more than one weapon per individual. and although it's a right in this country to have that, it's clear that many people that should never have a weapon are getting access to that. and this is just one of many shootings that happens. united states almost regular basis. maybe this will highlight the need to do more to prevent those that should not have weapons from attaining them. and, and that could be one of the few good things that would come out of this. but certainly, i think when it comes to the little political aspect of the, the,

the decide of trump, the, the base of course will just be more animated than ever. and i do hope that there is no no form of retaliation, which is why i think it's so important store both political leadership, both political parties, leadership to point out joint statements, to deescalate this type of situation. you mention weapons that we, we've just heard that the enforcement have recovered what they call a style rifle at the scene of the trump rowdy shooting. that's one source. does that surprise you? you know, it does not. i mean, i was in the marine corps and i started going to see i were, we had m sixty's and enforced, which is the military version of the air 15. there's not much of a difference, it's a, it's a military style. weapons that can shoot fairly accurately all the way up to 3 to 500 meters away. that's with iron sites,

but mostly most of these new a are 15 truck with with scope. so it takes what could be a relatively average shooter and makes them essentially a marksman. and that's uh, that just makes these weapons much more legal and much more easy to use with, with some precision even if you're not that highly trained blend call and you agree that the policies here really do need to physically intensively come together in some kind of joint statements looking ahead i think a joint statement would be a good. i definitely think it would be a good step if both parties could chaise something to the effect that they repudiate violence. call on people to express their opinions peaceably that to be useful. demonstrations are a foundation of a functional deluxe. that would be a useful step, but i don't anticipate it would go much further. we've already heard and what is it

2 hours since this happened, or i don't know how long it is. that the number to republican in the house of representatives. these felicia has their denounced the democratic party for having incited violence and calling on them to stop doing that. and center j d events has made a similar kind of statement that raises the larger issue that you touched upon a few minutes ago. which is how, how does one avoid or, or stopped as the spiral of increasing no hostility. and it raises true a dilemma that i'm not clear i have an answer to if there was a history of actions that didn't commit violence or, or demonized seconds to population, then one could fairly say, we must denounce that. but if those denunciations are then characterizes inciting

violence, the one either has a choice of saying them or just refreshing what one thinks is a vital, a few points to that might help save the political circumstances. so i don't see a way out of this horrible by to, for the dynamic yet at present. we've got something that may come. you mentioned j . d von something he's also blamed, uh, joe biden, for this one. what does that do to the situation to well, it is, it really turns matters on their head because since the, as i've said in an earlier segments, there is this, the number is, there are, have been in the past 6 years or some, something like that. the 54 cases in the us traditional system of the political violence in which the violence was caused expressly by having invokes the

sayings of horror physicians of donald trump and his supporters with several dozen others that have been of incidents of violence going through the court. system that were inspired by the same. there's been one instance of terrible violence in 2017 against congressman's felicia and other republicans. when a uh, a left wing will call him the bills and shot them and tried to kill. remember unfortunately, i don't think he killed anyone just seriously wounded them. but the, the data data shows and this, this car relates with my own experience for years on the national intelligence council, where my job is to assess the threats to the homeland, to the domestic united states. that the principal scripts every year were supposed to be from right when the militias, which are increasingly active and bylaws and michael mulroy,

in terms of us national security. then what will the security services be doing right now behind the scenes of all the 1st thing that we could do is assess what went wrong and this such and such. here are way sion see whether there was something they missed, of course, because they have to do the after action to make sure that the next event that happens today. but they've covered any deficiencies that might have had on this one . but ultimately there is going to be a surgeon security, i think for the upcoming political conventions, of course. and i believe the republican convention starts on monday. so, so that will be heavily covered and i think security will be increased. and then of course, for any of these, we're going into the height of campaign season, so they're going to have to double down on security and do much more to ensure that not only those that get into direct menus where form president trump speaking are

current predators. in binding, but also outside of those venues because the air 15 is, is essentially everywhere on united states. and it can reach up to 500 meters away . so you have to cover the roof tops of anything near these menus. and it's obvious that they did not do that, and i think that's going to have to change to where they're going to have to find menus. where this is not that they're not in close proximity to elevate the positions or they're going to have to cover them with additional secret service counter cyprus. because this just an image shouldn't happen. and i'm sure the secret service is going to come out fairly soon and say that $100.00 is, should not have happened. so it was obviously a breakdown of security, but rather than point fingers as certainly it needs to be rectified. so going forward, it doesn't happen again. malcolm o roy and glen the call. thank you both very much for joining us here. or we can hear from

a trump supporter now who was in the audience when the shooting began as well. um i was kind of in the back seat of god and um, i just asked someone standing next to me take a photo of me with president trump in the background. and he took 3 photos and then suddenly a whole body of shots. and we knew immediately what it was, and the man who was taking my photo, it said that doesn't sound good. and then immediately after that, people started to run. some people started to get down on the ground. nobody really knew what to do. and our 1st thoughts were, you know, as president trump ok. and then i heard as we were going out that they shot the shooter. and i don't know how he could have ever or she could have ever gotten into the valley because they had excellent security. but let me ask you about that what, what, what security do go through. i went through one of the store ways, you know, magnetometers, hector, metal detectors. i had put everything in putting my car key as you know, on the table next to me. my credit cards, my license so you know,

nothing went in with me that and you know, people, i guess people really didn't expect that this was gonna happen, you know, but um it was, uh, it's unbelievable. it really is. unbelievable. could you see, did the president look okay to you before i present far away? and of course people started to panic, so i really couldn't see what was happening on the stage. but again, our 1st thoughts, everybody's 1st thoughts were, is the president, okay. and uh you said that uh you had heard that the gunman, presumably a gunman, wasn't too far from, was, was the shot. i heard that he was shot. someone was on there. weird and the shot took care to come from. right. to my right and it was in the back of the arena. yeah. it wasn't too too close to the sound like it was the pretty far back. is there any reason to believe that

anybody else was hurt? there were several shots. it sounded like yes the, i hope that nobody was hurt, but there were a lot of shots. right. and we did see an ambulance back there with flashing lights . um. any other observations about what you saw in there? um no, just as the police were really well organized and directing people out, you know, and it was very orderly. and um, you know, people were not like history and took more angry and very concerned about official joins as long as not from milwaukee wisconscin, not in your, in the city that the republican national convention will be kicking off in on monday. yeah, we've just heard from the trump campaign, you say that the convention will proceed, and trump looks forward to joining the event. i don't think there was any doubt that it was going to go ahead. what we will see though,

is an increase in security just in the last few minutes has been confirmed. the donald trump has left the hospital where he was treated for that when he described it in a statement as feeling a bullet ripped through the flash of his ear and said, there was a significant amount of blood. the secret service has issued a statement just in the last couple of hours saying that there was a shooter from an elevated position who fired a number of shots towards donald trump and he was neutralized by the secret service . no, clearly there will be questions about how they sure to manage to get in place. why there was no one paying attention to what was on the elevated position in anyone's common sense, would tell them that that would be a position that could possibly be used to target someone on the stage, particularly as people said, they had one that the secret service they so someone with a weapon moving into that position though, the secret service upset and the type of weapon an assault rifle. so weapon type of

rifle has been recovered at the scene. there will also be questions too, for the secret service, because the secret service insists, and this is to a number of people of the record they are seeing that they had requested that donald trump, the security detail be, be stopped in the weeks wanting up to the convention and to the election that those requests are normally handled by the department of homeland security. but they are saying, in this case be received nothing but so there will be questions about whether that actually happened and questions about if it did, why it happened when clearly there is a concern about the safety of any political candidates. now we're also being told that donald trump had a 2nd event planned on saturday. he was due to go to a fighting contest in denver to an event that was being held there us and according to social media, a number of aids have been telling people close to the trump campaign. that is the

candidates intention that he will continue on to denver, and he will be there know the doctors, me well over a rule that particularly is donald trump, him said the south said that it was a lot of blood so they may well decide the it's perhaps better that he goes home to rest, but clearly he's intending to be here on thursday and he will cook, i'm sure from the stage about what happened in pennsylvania and how he'd still believes that he should be the president of the united states. it's also important to point out the windshield. 1 and spoke recently that there should be no violence like this in america, that it was sick and it was wrong. it's just a few days this joe biden, to me today saying that it was time to stop talking about his debate performance. and it was time to put donald trump in the bill side, and people are making comparisons to comments made before congress when gabby gifford was short in arizona several years ago. and comments made by state appeal

and essentially putting in the cost of putting her in the cross hairs of a gun. it is clear to many people on social media that is time for the political rhetoric in the united states to be time dying. but it's also clear from social media, so that's not happening any time soon around and we're looking at live pictures now outside the trump tower, new york considerable the secuity presence the as you can imagine with that convention coming that no doubt this will galvanized donald trump's support in a sense, change the narrative in the run up to the election a it's been a that is the number of places that they're going to increase the security code on donald trump buildings. so new york would be obvious model. our goal in florida window would be another. it has a goal for us, the number of golf courses around the country, the to will see and increase the security. i don't thing though. i noticed very

clearly tonight where he's intending to spend the night. it was thought at one point that he would spend most of his time in the convention at his apartment complex in chicago and then just commute to milwaukee on the final day of the convention that was then disputed by the campaign. but that might well be back on the agenda just to give them that extra layer of security. certainly a donald trump will use this. but if you look at the picture, immediately after the shooting, when he gives a claim to ton salute with his bloody here to the crowd, essentially to say that he is ok. it will become a defining image. it is an historic moment where there is what is essentially an assassination attempt on a former president, and he recovers an signifies to the crowd in the way through the debt. now, what is interesting is that the secret service and the fbi i in the, are statements over the last few hours have not use the phrase assassination

attempt. we've all seen the pictures and we can all assume what is happen, but they obviously want to build the evidence before they actually use such a phrase. but the department of justice in washington has opened an investigation and it will be a special unit that will katya the investigation into what happened in pennsylvania . and that is normally an indication that they consider this a national security issue and the treating this effectively like an assassination attempt. certainly a number of politicians are bleeding to bite me blaming the democrats for the inflamed rhetoric over the last few days. but take really saying that donald trump was a threat to democracy and some of the other democratic pundents suggesting that perhaps there needs to be some sort of protest on the streets against him. i know we're going to see the republican party gather on mass. remember essentially for the 1st time in 8 years,

there was no audience the 4 years ago because of cobra. we are gathering on mass in the center of milwaukee. and as you can imagine, there will be increased security at every single point for the convention. and it every single point in the city, normally security around something like the out and see is incredibly type. it will go up several notches because of the events of the last couple of hours. and given what you say then, and i mean there's going to be a huge challenge, isn't it? when it comes to, you know, come backing, conspiracy savings, for example, on social media, which could very much inflame the situation. i would already seeing them. i, i mean, some of the, the old right sites have posted the picture of a man who is an italian football journalist and said he is actually the person that has been arrested. he is making notes of all the sites that have done not with the intention of bringing some sort of legal action. this always happens after events

of this kind. we've seen that after my shootings in the united states will seen in these kind of situations as well. but remember, this is a historical moment. this was an attempt to shoot a former president of the united states. and many people are appealing for tom. but both sides are pointing to each other's rectory over the last 468 years. but of course, the tensions have been racked up for much longer than that in the united states. some would say 20 set 2 years where the language has been at best intemperate. and it was possibly leading to a situation that we've seen in pennsylvania for the last couple of years. how do you dump and down those conspiracy theories on social media? you can't, if you're following them and you believe in them, you will circulate them and people will take them in and believe that there is nothing but truth. they will criticize the way the shooting was reported in the

past stages. they will say that that's a sign of bias. they will point to other things that suggest that this doesn't quite full adopt. they will point to the fact that the shooter is not report to bed and how he can see who gave him the job to try and shoot donald trump, all of the building to the narrative that exists and conspiracy cd websites. there is nothing you can do about that. so what is up to responsible politicians? i'd also for the authorities, is to gather the facts, gather the evidence, and present it as quickly and just clearly as possible to the general public reality is some people still don't believe whatever is set on an fisher. thank you for joining us. let's hand from eye witnesses to the shooting when i was standing there and all of a sudden it sounds like fire crackers going on,

but then i heard the shots and then all of a sudden somebody hollers get down on the ground that everybody's going down on the ground as low as they get. then the secret service comes run up through and says, everybody house get out of here now. and they ushered us out of the area. all, it's rattling around the grandstand. one hit this bigger tower and chaos. around the 1st. after her death shots got fired, then the hydraulic line was spraying all around the drawing soon coming out of it and then you knew something was, i mean it wasn't horrified. i mean, i was at the shop. i mean, the stuff was coming up besides people to do that. i don't know, it's just a hit scanning. it's absolutely something it's, it's gonna drive people to even be more for him. i mean,

especially when that picture comes out. okay. it's almost the latest news as it breaks the functioning cost of the solely off to $2200.00 gmc format us present. donald trump was on stage and bought the pennsylvania for a scheduled campaign ready. he greeted the crowd and started his speech. many minutes into his address, shots rang out enjoying the form of precedence and killing at least one audience member. john hanjin was at the rally in butler, pennsylvania. the via parent attempted assassination of an american president non folded minutes after he began to speak. if you want to really see something this said, take a look. what happens off it is donald trump spoke to the friendly pennsylvania crowd, shots rang out, and the former president hit the ground.

the lift president said his name is it time says i want to get my shoes and i heard that directly from him. they must have fallen off when he'd be pushed them down on his right cheek was a tear drop of blood right here. then when he told you could see the right here from the top of the year to the bottom. blood wasn't pouring blood, but it was blood secret service gunman responded within seconds, killing the shooter as other agents swarmed truck. one other person in the crowd was also killed when he were coming up after the secret service as far as with retreating him and putting it into a secure vehicle and bring him up. the president is hit or nip right here. according to other my photos. he was bleeding here and down in this area here as

far as on the right side of the space to president joe biden locked in a heated campaign against trumpet, condemned the attack. there's no place in america with this kind of violence. it's sick. it sick? it's one of the reason why we have to unite this country. we cannot allow for this to be happening. we cannot be like this. we cannot condone this. what began is a cheerful event with thousands of the supporters, a former president, donald trump lining up to see his last rally before his nomination for president, ended in gunshots with people fleeing in fear. left unexplained is how a gunman was able to get so close to the former president in an arena that had been swept by secret service agents were backpacks were band and spectators screened individuals. the secret service is investigating the incident as an attempted assassination. john henry l. g 0, butler, pennsylvania little trump himself is just small.