end of the american era, the us wants to keep the war and ukraine going until russia's will is broken. but is that strategy working? what to do if there is no date after in israel's war on causes the quizzical look good us politics. the bottom line, global outcry after israel committed yet another massacre in gaza. its army killed at least 90 palestinians in an area designated as a so called safe zone. israel planes, it was targeting. how much leaders? what is that justification for killing so many civilians? this is inside story, the hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much room a risk massacre. that's how palestinians are describing. one of the worst is really a tax on gaza since the war began. where the 90 palestinians were killed and 300

injured on saturday in milwaukee, an area israel had designated a safe. it's fighter jets and drones, and least a barrage of missiles and bombs obliterating tents that sheltered thousands of displaced families. as the death toll rises and the mandatory and crisis deepens, there are serious questions about israel's military conduct. and the protection of civilians will get to our guests in a moment. but 1st this report from axles i'm of which it was supposed to be a century. but instead with this horrific blog that. 6 is really just syndrome struck tense, sheltering thousands of displays palestinians in almo boss there was no evacuation order. uh gods came to them any less. i was sitting safely in my tent when suddenly the tents around the i'm this building we're here. we started running and i got out of the tent and run on the streets. bombardment was on going,

the little blue came here where the street begins. had also been here. the whole street was full of bodies and body parts, or the emergency workers or i'm on the insurance witnesses, sees really forces waited for rescue clues to arrive before targeting them. these are the conditions in which palestinians are transporting hundreds of injured to nearby nest of hospitals in hon. eunice, doctors can no longer cope with the influx of casualties. we started receiving good tens of cases in a few minutes while we are separating from lack of supplies under the stomach. we are known enough of, uh, everything inside the israel says, well, how many dice heads of how mazda is military? we was the intended target, a must says that's pools and baseless all mobile sees a narrow strip of land between hun eunice and a rough uh, where hundreds of thousands of fellow students are living in dire conditions. this rarely army designated as

a so called humanitarian area meant to be protected under international law. but just like other areas, israel has claimed we're safe. it's been repeatedly bombarded. we have had the situation over and over in should a draft either by the jump on the said over and over you sort of could kill literally every one in the gods trip. so far, the killed the nearly for 40000 people with this argument that people started getting how much come up? but by now, all of my school, but that should be dead. any said, what we find is a population which is being star general decided to moulder means of warfare with the families have buried their loved ones. many are still missing, believes to be trapped onto the rubble of the un says the claim that saved zones existing cause is false and misleading. the latest striking all my wasi proves,

once again the nowhere gaza is truly safe. axels, i'm gonna reach out to 0 for insights story. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guess in data by central has a right here. we have a, a writer, poet and activist. and i'm on the honeywell stuff or a senior palace on analyst at the international crisis group. and in liberal for you. okay, so you know, my them yellow professor of law had liver pull john moore's university. and a member of the legal team representing the victims before the i c. c. a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us today on inside story. it brought him. let me start with you today. you are there in there, but what's your reaction reaction to that devastating attack on animal wasi? i thank you mr. mohammed. as i'm shown for the tone and invitation and to be blocked phone by your program. and my name is abraham,

and my identity doesn't match. i mean, and that's the genocide dr. ring. i could be killed just any moment and i will be turning to a number on your screen. this is, this is what the all of us feels especially off to the massacre yesterday and the mossy the say. you've had been this how these where you the army was sale or do for the west when low yesterday, in less than 5 minutes, almost 100 people were killed. half of them children, a women, imagine how people, children, and women are feeling better and long civilian. this has been our daily reality for almost 9 months. i have been evacuated from my house 4 times on my relatives, my relatives and friends have been or have had to evacuate. almost 9 times. there

was no save place in garza and the meaning of safety or the meaning of save itself is being eradicated from our dictionary. to be more than precise from the gauze and dictionary. ibrahim, you, you spoke so eloquently about the heretic situation there, i, i want to follow up with you because you made mention of the fact that this attack on a milwaukee happened on an area that had been designated by israel as a safe zone. now the un says that basically there are no safe zones that exist in gaza. that to call something a safe zone is false, that it's misleading. when you hear that term that you just spoke about a safe zone or humanitarian zone, how does that make you feel? considering the current climate, the you and so many others are living in? do you feel said i'm gonna, i'm gonna stay and say something for you, mr. moore? mohammed, i'm sorry. i was in go, i was i firstly,

i'm these read occupation forces. have said that most of the cities in goal the city have to uh yeah, they have told us that it is a safe place and i'm hearing that. but because gaza is a safe place, did it. but it's a safe place. they were telling us that most toyota is a safe place either. i don't know either of us and things are just giving. it's right away. so the thing isn't here. we don't believe in the think of safety. we don't believe in every single thing that the is really the army are sage and it's old lies. it's old lice, even the term itself. i'm telling you as a golf and i know groups representing why people to you and i'm telling you that this term is being eradicated as the people of palestine as the people have gone.

so i've been there advocated from the civil readjust rate to honey. israel says that it was targeting, how much they of the leader of how much is military wing and that attack on milwaukee. but is israel in no way concerned about considerations of international law. they attacked an area that we've already mentioned. they had designated as a safe stone. does that not come into play at all in their considerations and how they are prosecuting this war of what we've seen throughout this florida. israel has a active decrease that you just proportionately it has violated the laws of war. but it has tried to justify that on the basis that from us has been using a civilian shields. and that's exactly what the justification for this attack that killed around 90 people. injured, $300.00 targeting or conducting a talks to disaster nation in what israel itself designated as a safe. so these really prime ministers come out and said that they don't actually

have any serious information that they've actually targeted. that was made a to targets. but yet, as i said, we've seen 90 people killed it was a collateral that these radius had, had calculated was, was the risk taking. but you know, this is something that we systematically seen since the some of the october when his role has conducted. suppose it targeted precise targeted assassinations, inductive populated areas, and where it has failed to, to really come out with anything substantial. whether that's the, the, the actual militants of the top team. which actually proved that there was any substantial evidence to make that. and it just my target, we've seen that time and time again. we saw it was just that hospital. oh, we've seen that in this instance. there's been no substantial proof that how much does actually use civilians as human shields, even repeatable human rights organizations have come out. in previous honest, most very israel has done the same thing where it systematically has a history of doing just that top team,

densely populated areas on the basis that last uses civilians as, as shields. and there's been no substantial evidence. what we have actually seen is that israel often times to use palestinians as human shields when it conducts its ministry campaigns, which we've seen in the west bank before that just recently lost mountain jeanine. we've seen an increase of cover on our so, you know, once again this is, this is really is route facing a serious prices where it has, you know, conducted a supposed to precise talking to this estimation on the basis that it is targeting of digits. and that makes me target, but once again, it has failed to substantiate. it's supposed to made a trip tract. if you understand what we have seen, has 90 people killed 300 people injured. just say that what are the implications under international law under humanitarian law, under the laws of warfare when it comes to attacking areas that have been designated as a safe zone or humanitarian. so it was so, so many things so heavy knew me today. uh,

what has just happened yesterday in economy only say, you said clear evidence that diesel and need to know the fundamental principles of international new money time. you know, so the pick up already gonna be cheaper to any donation out of the home to call think which is taking place in the gods. i sleep. so solely in these war, these let's, just a month ago, we need to know the, the principal and all of these things. sure. which book he beat. so direct thought box to cv downs and cd down objects. so i'll talk to these, nothing. all of is the old, the minutes of your operation against the gods, and been a collect sterilized. goodbye director taught fox and by these window saw the dc. so cd young's and cd and object types wisely. the command be the by nothing nations independent, the commission solving quietly, even mean visa on going to was in the, in the guy the, in the god's us the, which of the consequences. first of all, the really show nobody these things on the principle over these things on these. i

see those ability showing open dimension on your money. i know they've been paid service. sponsibility will be so as a state, but at the same time, it will say what the climb under the state will probably dimension on the, to me, i called. and that's why the prosecute the international criminal court is coming. come as a request, the dentist would on said jason, it's on. yeah. when garland. oh, so for the intentional lockbox, 8 days to cv, does we, charlotte? why do we documented, sees the 7th of october and they've got us through it, but i am, you've spoken about the fact that there is no where safe in laws that people try to go from place to place. try to find safety that that is not an option that is available to you and to them. i want to ask you about another aspect of the risk situation in regards to for the palestinians. there what kind of psychological trauma is being experience by palestinians and has to me.

so my question is in here, have you tried sleeping in the in attend? have you tried losing everything in your life? let me just visualize for you or give you a visual frontage. for you and for the watchers actually, and a few words, what the palestinians or the goals ones are suffering. now. i wish i could say to anyone who tells me uh, we view for you and tell them come on truly experiences. the following feelings. the feeling of a sleeping good attend. forget the thing. streaming in a small room with 10 people. half of them children. this room is your changing room dining room bed dreams, living room and kitchen. and sometimes we have the kids in the same room, no privacy. forget about privacy, you don't even get the chance to be alone in the room. to change your own clothes.

i swear, change your clothes in front of everyone. and then tell me how much you've you feel for us. come, i'm standing in the line for the past room, especially in the morning with 10 or 20 people in front of you. you and 10 or 20 behind you. you turn comes in your turn comes hurry up. you can only do one thing. one think. one thing guys either really have yourself wash your hands or pressure, these have become a dream for us. and believe me, it could save more time if someone else goes into the bathroom with you and you take turns because there is no privacy any way. i sure in the bathroom often doesn't have water. you have to deal with it. it's on your own. and then tell me, how much do you feel for us? dry craving, your dish?

no matter how simple. forget yourself, dry the feeling when your kids ask you for assembling meal. a piece of bread and meg, or an apple. you can provide this to them. you can provide because you have all the money in the world big, but it's worthless now. or you can provide because you do not have the money or you can provide it because there is simply nothing to by trying, depriving yourself on craving something for months and then tell me how much you feel for us dry sleeping in the same clothes will, can go up in the same clothes and going out and the same clothes, a thing, and the same clothes is doing every single thing and the same clothes. why? because you're actually lucky if you have

a change of clothes and even lucky or if you have, if you can't afford to buy, if you buy, you will buy boys, little boys, clothes for your daughter and men's clothes for your mit waiting for your wife. this is the privacy, this is everything and goes on. the important thing is to manage, uncovered yourselves dry darling. i tried dying from the cold because you don't have that when you don't have wonder clothes and can find any. and then tell me how much you feel for us. you know, i need some statistics of i've came out there lately that almost 7070 people had been killed by home by now one. but winter is this, is this a crime or not? is this a criminal attitude or not? have you try have been your wife pregnant and her knowledge right during a war?

hey brian, i'm sorry to interrupt your william. i'm sorry to interrupt you i. i didn't do so that's why. absolutely, i understand, i'm a to honey, i want to ask you if you think from your perspective, if, if this attack on out of milwaukee is going to play in some substantial way into the genocide case, the south africa is brought against israel at the international court of justice. absolutely this, this incidence is just another long list of piano is off this phase row. once again, it is trying to justify its violation of the laws of war. on the basis of, of these unsubstantiated arguments from us has been using a civilian shields, targeting densely populated areas and those that it has been solved designated as a signs. and once again come out, being completely incapable of substantiating any or qualifying any of its military objectives. here i need nothing else, just comment as i oh sorry,

i'm statements around this incident that the, that a conference on what they actually did actually target those that they were supposedly trying to, to strike. and yet had calculated to come out. told that this would cause i felt that this was a risk worth taking. you know, this is just really just evidence mounting off for this genocide case for the person that israel is systematically targeting civilians and his doing so. despite the claims that it is making to the contrary, which again, as i said, we see no substantiated up as evidence for it's just, you know, you were speaking before about the principle of a distinction and, and i want to ask you about another question. when it comes to all this, the question of proportionality under international law, as real, as claim that it was targeting, how much leaders, but from an international justice perspective, it is that justification for killing so many civilians. i mean,

isn't there still supposed to be a principal at play in warfare of attempting to distinguish between civilians and combatants? it was yes, that's correct. so i was mentioning before the debt collector, the lease needs the violating of the principle over these things strongly because over the direct phone, at least the name of the screen mean got talk, saves the cd down. seeing the con the economy. when he said he's right, a lot do the hazing, the previous muscle cars, they, they was, they made it to the object dvds. so let's assume that what these are, these are doing the store, but there is to be no evidence provided the best way to buy the dense for these. but let's assume that you select the state demand piece that correct that he's is to, in any case, even he said it was a combined bundle of combatants. indeed, these will not the tom and the be guy in the into immediate the project. you may not the war to these will still be a violation of the principles of a distinction. it was b c award crime or because it wouldn't be any discrete me. they talk. but let's

assume that the entire area was immuno project. steve, which he's not the case, but assume that these are these a boarding, the fuel to, to prove that to be in fact, it wasn't. many federal rejected. that's will seem to be a violation of the thought. going. seemed to be a violation of the proposed finality principle because the useful for someone to be as you correctly said excessive. but these will also be released on the other phone by the principal. but the conflict which is of the principle to appeal because shows which imposed on a state he owned it, belligerent on the box. it was oh, but the only effect people to caution still the deals that the palm of the bucket of the cd down. so all the video cd piece and has it says it'd be notes. so say the before the basic you may showing up to say, hey that's, that's not the amount for the effective of precautions because he's right and so far has ceased their mind. because we have talked to basic humanity behavior as it stated the by you do you when the special stand up for you on the lights?

indeed, in palestine, is that the mission of safe saying that it's generally used by users to sort of you money thought on the coming flies. you know that for the store to be the lowest of one to high, the general side darlington. it's interesting. let me also just follow up with you about another thing, um, are you seeing that there is any indication that israel is in any way really concerned about the case at the i c j or, or do you think they're just going to continue to carry out the war, the way they've been doing. so what, what do we also 5 is that he still has hasty to know that on the binding on the international binding, the decisions that tend to provision on mass you've seen, posted by the international court of justice, wants to meet before that location. it's the only measure that these wireless complies weeks as a beam of the somebody showing off the computer in front of a poster, then that no, no one has seen not of doing that. how we cited will be complying. we did deal with this one over the mass you've seen, posted by the international court of justice, fully sounds he's it enabling to be access always say,

shall go to the got to sleep. that's has not happened us that he's right. there's also invite the dropbox one no, the only possibility to get access to it. there's also stopped one of the people see, but it is the best policy has some guys i had to get access to essentially go with the so he's the continuum still need to know or did they see john's opening done national cost of justice. it's a honey i'm you know, the fact of the matter is that israel has continue to say throughout all this that they will do whatever is needed to achieve their objectives in the war. so do you foresee that there is anything that that could change the way they are prosecuting this war, or will it just continue in this manner? and such an international pressure on israel that have been no red lines. we've seen gold 1st constantly shift when the u. s has claimed, you know, prior to the, the invasion of her father, any invasion of iraq would be uh, red line. and then suddenly we see that goto shifted to any major invasion or rough

. so there have been no serious red lines imposed on as well. i guess we will continue to try and do what it can as long as it thinks that it can get away with that. and that is exactly the message with the international community of center is that as well can continue to conduct his campaign in the way that it has done it for the last 9 months without any serious pressure on it. whether, which will be my economic, diplomatic, and in terms of security relations, we see normalizing states continue relations, isn't always the normalizing states and the region even providing some addition, monetary and cover. and we've seen the tassel community provide, gosh monetary and cover it instead of actually putting pressure on israel to actually at the very minimum allow. so the, the required monitoring age to enter through. we're seeing the continued shipment watkins that are entirely responsible for these attacks. and civilians that are responsible for the now what is considered to be a complete underestimate of the $38000.00 that have been reported. so there has

been no serious that has been a serious international impression, especially among states that do have the ability to, to really a school israel back. it brought him, i'm curious to get your thoughts, do you or your loved ones or relatives? and because have any hope that there is any mechanism right now for accountability when it comes to israel and the way they are carrying out this or do you have any hope that the case at the i c j for example, could change the way things go yes, a ceasefire as a crucial disturb the ongoing look should and allow for the human is there enough to reach those in dire need? it is the 1st step toward restoring the sun security in the region of the world. i say that now the month to come to, but it's a simple to cease fire and provide humanitarian at the people of palestine to be

beloved goza. especially those that need those in need. they need your help more than ever. we must work together to end the cycle of violence and insurance a just and lasting ease. ibrahim could, i also just ask you, we just have a couple of minutes left, but thank you. first of all for speaking. so personally about what you and your family and your loved ones have been dealing with. but could you tell our viewers about what you were doing before the war broke out? how is this all impacted your life? well before more i was a palestinian journalist, an active as the human rights activist, a wife and a who. it was working with a lot of institutions. i was working with the 16th of october. i was working with a thought i you always working with a lot of a institutions that have been supporting the palestinian or supporting or raised by

the city of flag and to let the world remove their boxes and to save for them. we need someone to support us. i have been working with a lot of people. i have been working with the violated a children in golf actually for almost a one year actually before war. everything had been demolished, everything, every single dream that i was hoping to had or hoping to seek either as we think has been demolished. yeah, i mean, before i am a english literature student this and kind of hers that have goes on. and there is no if someone can reverse that, have gauze that there is no one loves the university. there is no university stuff going on. so there was no hospitals and goals, so there was nothing going on. so i brought him on itself. i'm sorry to interrupt you um, but we just have time for one last question to honey. i want to ask you because you

heard about him, they're talking about the need for a cease fire from what you are are are seeing as far as what's going on. do you think right now that that things can be on track for a potential other ceasefire? or is this going to be a loose that seems very unlikely and how about themselves so excited that this is another attempt by israel is trying to rail, seized by talks. we've seen numerous other attempts in the past when, whenever you've had seized by talks, you've always had some kind of major incident of the background about that has ended up derailing things. and it seems very, very unlikely at this point in time, you've got to 2 warring parties here. we've mentioned exclusive denies from us. want to see the complete and total association of hostilities. this hasn't been enough to develop their involvement agencies by tools, but you still have israel, that is an ottoman on, on refusing to, to see to any sort of spy as long as it was on this house remains. and as long as it has not, you just made a trip to activity will continue to try to do so,

which is to destroy it. how mouse and it's turned out to you. it's mandatory political and social wing. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guest. hey brian, me ivy to honeywell stuff or andrea as tina might any other? hello, and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website obviously, or dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also drive the conversation on fix. our handle is at a inside story for me and how much i'm jerome and the entire team here. bye for now . the this is a region that is rapidly develop thing, but it's one also that is afflicted by conflicts, political ups, people, some of those who talked to elsewhere, a saying that they sled after hearing that other villages had been to talk. what we

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. i'm carry johnston, tell you how the top stores now and out is here. us present. joe biden has reiterated his goal for national unity following the attempted assassination of don't from the prime time address, abide and often condolences to the families of victims killed and injured the format presence rally in pennsylvania on saturday. yes, the votes, as of all political persuasions to resolve the differences of the ballot box in november. we can't allow this violence to be normalized. you know, the political record of this country has gotten very heated time to cool down. we

all have responsibility to do that. yes, we have deeply felt strong disagreements.