plays makes shift camps and not being able to get access to food, asking questions. how likely is it in reality that nothing? yeah. who would be arrested when visiting a fine look posing from the action. but what i would say to the ministry of health is come to see the effects of us best off from the factories in india, i'll just use chines across the world. when you closer to the house of the story. a global outcry after israel committed yet another massacre in gauze. its army killed at least 90 palestinians in an area designated as a so called safe zone. israel planes, it was targeting. how much leaders? what is that justification for killing so many civilians? this is inside story, the

hello and welcome to the program. i'm how much room a risk massacre. that's how palestinians are describing. one of the worst is really a tax on gaza since the war began. where the 90 palestinians were killed and 300 injured on saturday. in milwaukee, an area israel had designated a safe. it's fighter jets and drones, and least a barrage of missiles and bombs, obliterating tents that sheltered thousands of displaced families. as the death toll rises and the mandatory and crisis deepens, there are serious questions about israel's military conduct. and the protection of civilians will get to our guests in a moment. but 1st this report from axles i'm of which it was supposed to be a century. but instead with this horrific blog that. 6 is really just syndrome struck tense, sheltering thousands of displace palestinians in almo boss. there was no evacuation order. uh gods came to them any less. i was sitting safely in my tent when suddenly

the tents around the i'm this building where we started running and i got out of the tent and run on the streets. bombardment was ongoing. we came here where the street begins. had also been here. the whole street was full of bodies and body parts, or the emergency workers or i'm on the insurance, which is to say is really forces waited for rescue clues to arrive this or targeting. these are the conditions in which palestinians are transporting hundreds of injured to nearby nest of hospitals in hon. eunice, doctors can no longer cope with the influx of casualties. we started receiving good tens of cases in a few minutes while we are separating from lack of supplies under the stomach. we are the easiest thing inside the israel says, how many dice heads of how mazda is military? we was the intended target. a must says that's pools and baseless all mobile sees

a narrow strip of land between hun eunice in a rough uh where hundreds of thousands of palestinians are living in dire conditions. this rarely army designated as a so called humanitarian area meant to be protected under international law. but just like other areas, israel has claimed we're safe. it's been repeatedly bombarded. we have had the situation over and over in should a draft either by the jump on the said over and over you sort of code kill literally every one in the gods trip. so far, the killed the nearly for $40000.00 people with this argument that people started getting how much come up? but by now, what am i to go about that should be dead? any said what we find these are for pollution, which is being star general decided to moulder means a warfare with the families have buried their loved ones. many are still missing,

believes to be trapped onto the rubble. the un says the claim that saved zones existing cause is false and misleading. the latest striking all my wasi proves, once again, the nowhere gaza is truly safe. axels, i'm gonna reach out to 0 for insights, story the. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guess and dinner, but central has the right here. we have a, a writer poet and activist. and i'm on the honeywell stuff or a senior palace on analyst at the international crisis group. and in liberal for you. okay, so you know, my them yellow professor of law had liver pull john moore's university and a member of the legal team representing the victims before the i c. c. a warm welcome to you all. and thanks so much for joining us. today on inside story, it brought him, let me start with you today. you are there in there, but what's your reaction reaction to that devastating attack on animal wasi?

i thank you mr. mohammed. as i'm shown for the tone and invitation and to be blocked phone by your program. and my name is abraham, and my identity doesn't match. i mean, and that's the genocide dr. ring. i could be killed just any moment and i will be turning to a number on your screen. this is, this is what the all of us feels especially off to the massacre yesterday and the mossy the say. you've had been this. how these, where you, the army was sale or do for the west when low yesterday, in less than 5 minutes, almost 100 people were killed. half of them children, a women, imagine how people, children, and women are feeling better and long civilian. this has been our daily reality for almost 9 months. i have been evacuated from my house 4

times on my relatives, my relatives and friends have been or have had to evacuate almost 9 times. there was no save place in garza and the meaning of safety or the meaning of save itself is being eradicated from our dictionary. to be more than precise from the gauze and dictionary. ibrahim you, you spoke so eloquently about the heretic situation there. i, i want to follow up with you because you made mention of the fact that this attack on milwaukee happened on an area that had been designated by israel as a safe zone. now the un says that basically there are no safe zones that exist in gaza. that to call something a safe zone is false, that it's misleading. when you hear that term, that you just spoke about a safe zone or humanitarian zone. how does that make you feel, considering the current climate that you and so many others are living in?

do you feel said i'm gonna, i'm gonna stay and say something for you, mr. moore? mohammed, i'm sorry. i was in go, i was i firstly, i'm these read occupation forces. have said that most of the cities in goal the city have to uh yeah, they have told us that it is a safe place and i'm hearing that. but because gaza is a safe place, did it. but it's a safe place. they were telling us that most toyota is a safe place either. i don't know either of us and things are just giving. it's right away. so the thing isn't here. we don't believe in the think of safety. we don't believe in every single thing that the is really the army are sage and it's old lives. it's old lice, even the term itself. i'm telling you as a golf and i know groups representing why people to you and i'm telling you that

this term is being eradicated as the people by this done as the people have gone. so i've been there advocated from the civil readjust rate to honey. israel says that it was targeting, how much they of the leader of how much is military wing and that attack on milwaukee. but is israel in no way concerned about considerations of international law? they attacked an area that we've already mentioned. they had designated as a safe stone. does that not come into play at all in their considerations and how they are prosecuting this war of what we've seen throughout this florida. israel has acted completely just to, fortunately it has violated the laws of war. but it has tried to justify that on the basis that from us has been using civilian shields. and that's exactly what the justification for this attack that killed around 90 people injured, 300 targeting or conducting

a talks to disaster nation in what israel that south designated as a safe. so these really prime ministers come out and said that they don't actually have any serious information that they've actually targeted that was made of 2 targets. but yet as i said, we've seen 90 people killed. it was a collateral that these radius had, had calculated was, was the risk taking. but you know, this is something that we systematically seen since the some of october when his role has conducted. suppose it talk to precise targeted assassinations, inductive populated areas, and where it has failed to, to really come out with anything substantial. whether that's the, the, the actual militants of the top team. which actually proved that there was any substantial evidence to make that. and it just my target, we've seen that time and time again. we saw it was just that hospital. we've seen in this instance. there's been no substantial proof that how much does actually use the videos as human shields. even uh,

reputable human rights organizations have come out in previous honest, and what's very israel has done the same thing where it systematically has a history of doing just that top team, densely populated areas on the basis that how last uses civilians as, as shields. and there's been no substantial evidence. what we have actually seen is that israel often times to use palestinians as human shields when it conducts its ministry campaigns, which we've seen in the west bank before that just recently lost mountain jeanine. we've seen an increase of cover on a so, you know, once again, this is, this is really is route facing a serious prices where it has, you know, conducted a supposed to precise, targeted assassination on the basis that it is targeting other judgment minutes. we talk it, but once a guy has failed to substantiate it, suppose made it true objective. you understand what we have seen has 90 people killed 300 people injured, tristan. what are the implications under international law under, as humanitarian law under the laws of warfare when it comes to attacking areas that

have been designated as a safe zone or humanitarian. so it was so, so many things so heavy knew me today. uh, what has just happened yesterday in a ton, you only say, you said clear evidence that diesel and ignores the fundamental principles of international new money time. you know, so the pick up already gonna be cheaper to any donation out of time to call think which is taking place in the gods. i sleep. so sorely in these war he said let's just a month ago, we need to know the, the principal and all of these things. sure, which of course he beat. so direct thought box to cv downs and cd down. that's all projects that i've talked to. and he's not in all of his the old dominion, tell you bruce, shaggy the gods, and been a collect sterilized the by director taught fox and by these window saw the dc. so cd young's and cd and objects has widely the command be the by nothing nations independent the commission of inquiry even being these ongoing, the war in the,

in the guy the, in the gods, us to whichever the consequences. first of all, the really showing that what do these things to increase the portable distinction easily seen as ability showing open dimension on your money. i know, had been paid service sponsibility will be so as a state, but at the same time it will say what climb under the state will probably dimension on the, to me, i called and that's why the prosecute the national claim. and of course, coming come as a request, the dentist would on said jason, it's on. yeah. when garland oh, so for the intentional lock box a days to cv, does we charlotte? why do we go through? man indeed sees the 7th of october and they've got to stay. it brought him, you've spoken about the fact that there is no where safe in laws that people try to go from place to place, try to find safety, that that is not an option. that is available to you and to them, i want to ask you about another aspect of the risk situation in the for the

palestinians. there what kind of psychological trauma is being experience by palestinians and has to me. so my question is in here, have you tried sleeping in the in attend? have you tried losing everything in your life? let me just visualize for you or give you a visual frontage for you and for the watchers actually and a few words what the palestinians or the golf ones are suffering. now. i wish i could say to anyone who tells me we feel for you until them come on truly experiences. the following feelings. the feeling of a sleeping good attend. forget the thing, seeming in a small room with 10 people, half of them children. this room is your changing room dining room bed dreams, living room and kitchen. and sometimes we have the kids in the same room,

no privacy. forget about privacy. you don't even get the chance to be alone in the room to change your own clothes. i swear. change your clothes in front of everyone, and then tell me how much you've you feel for us. come, i'm standing in the line for the path room, especially in the morning with 10 or 20 people in front of you. you and 10 or 20 behind you. you turn comes in your turn, comes hurry up, you can only do one thing. one, think, one thing guys, either really have yourself wash your hands or pressure. these have become a dream for us. and believe me, it could save more time. if someone else goes into the bathroom with you and you take turns, because there is no privacy, any way i sure in the bathroom often doesn't have water.

you have to deal with it. it's on your own. and then tell me, how much do you feel for us? dry craving, your dish? no matter how simple. forget yourself, dry the feeling when your kids ask you for assembling meal. a piece of bread and meg, or an apple, you can provide this to them. you can provide because you have all the money in the world big, but it's worthless now. or you can provide because you do not have the money or you can provide it because there is simply nothing to by trying, depriving yourself on craving something for months and then tell me how much you feel for us dry sleeping in the same clothes will, can go up in the same clothes and going out in the same clothes,

a thing of the same clothes is doing every single thing and the same clothes. why? because you're actually lucky if you have a change of clothes and even lucky or if you have, if you can't afford to buy, if you buy, you will buy boys, little boys, clothes for your daughter and men's clothes for your mit waiting for your wife. this is the privacy, this is everything and goes on. the important thing is to manage. i'm covered yourselves, dry darling. i tried dying from the cold because you don't have that when you don't have wonder clothes and can find any. and then tell me how much you feel for us. you know, i need some statistics of i've came out there lately that almost 7070 people had been killed by home by now one winter. is this,

is this a crime or not? is this a criminal attitude or not? have you try have been your wife pregnant and are not driving during a war, bram? i'm sorry to interrupt your william. i'm sorry to interrupt you i. i didn't do so that's why. absolutely i understand i'm a to honey. i want to ask you, if you think from your perspective, if, if this attack on out of milwaukee is going to play in some substantial way into the genocide case, the south africa is brought against israel at the international court of justice. absolutely. this, this incidence is just another long list a few yards as off this phase row. once again, it is trying to justify its violation of the laws of war. on the basis of, of these unsubstantiated arguments from us has been using civilian shields, targeting densely populated areas. and those it has been solved designated as 6

times. and once again come out being completely incapable of substantiating any or qualifying any of it's mandatory objectives. here i need nothing else, just comment as a oh sorry, i'm statements around this incident. the fact that a conference on what they actually did actually target those that they were supposedly trying to, to strike. and yet had calculated to come out. told that this would cause and felt that this was a risk worth taking. you know, this is just really just evidence mounting off for this genocide case for the person that israel is systematically targeting civilians and his doing so. despite the claims that it is making to the contrary, which again, as i said, we didn't see no substantiated up as evidence for it's just, you know, you were speaking before about the principle of a distinction and, and i want to ask you about another question. when it comes to all this, the question of proportionality under international law, as real,

as claim that it was targeting, how much leaders, but from an international justice perspective, it is that justification for killing so many civilians. i mean, isn't there still supposed to be a principal at play in warfare of attempting to distinguish between civilians and combatants? it was yes, that's correct. i was mentioning before that, that led to the lease, or at least the violating of the principal and all these things showing that because over the dialects, toner, police that need be screaming, they got the box staves, the cd down seeing the con, the economy when he said he's right, allowed to do the hazing the previous muscle cars they, they was a maybe the objective indeed. so let's assume that what these are, these are doing the store, but there is to be no evidence provided the best way to buy the dentist for these. but let's assume that you select the state to main piece that correct. that is to, in any case, even he said there was a combined bundle of combatants. indeed, these were not the tom and the guy in the, into immediate,

the project. you may not the war to these will still be a violation of the principles of a distinction. it was b c award crime or because it wouldn't be any discrete me. they talk. but let's assume that the entire area was immuno project. steve, which he's not the bookcase, but it's assumed that these are these a board in the future to prove that to be in fact, it was a minute that objects to death will seem to be a violation of the thought. going seem to be a violation of the football, so not if the principal, because the useful for someone to be as you correctly said excessive, but these will also be released on the other phone by the principal. but the conflict which is of the principal to appeal because shows which imposed on a state he owned a belligerent on the box. it was oh, but the only effect people to the course on still the deals that the palm of the bucket. all the cd down, so all the video cd piece and has it says it'd be notes. so say the before. but basically you may show not to say, hey that's, that's not the amount for the effective of precautions because he's right and so

far has ceased their mind. because we have talked to basic humanity behavior as it stated the by you do you when the special ed about books better for you on the lights? indeed, in palestine, is that the mission of safe saying that it's generally used by he's a nice assault of you money thought on the coming flies. you know that for the store to do the laws of war to hide the general side darling, then it's interesting. let me also just follow up with you about another thing, um, are you seeing that there is any indication that israel is in any way really concerned about the case at the i c j or, or do you think they're just going to continue to carry out the war, the way they've been doing. so what, what do we also 5 is that he still has to know that that's all the binding on the international binding, the decisions that tend to provision on mass you've seen, posted by the international court of justice. all the different locations, the only measure was that these wireless complies weeks as a beam of the somebody showing off the computer in front of a poster, then that no,

no one has seen not of doing that, how we side it will be complying. we did deal with this one over the mass you've seen, posted by an international code to adjust these fully sounds. he's in a bullying to be access, always say, shall go into the got to sleep. that's has not happened us that he's right. there's also invite the dropbox one know the only possibility to get access to it. there's also something wonderful that people see, but it just gets the body seen as you guys have had to get access to as saying, charlotte going to. so he's the continuum store and you can know that they see johns opening done national cost of justice. it's a honey i'm you know, the fact of the matter is that israel has continue to say throughout all this that they will do whatever is needed to achieve their objectives in the war. so do you foresee that there is anything that could change the way they are prosecuting this war, or will it just continue in this manner? and such an international pressure on israel that have been no red lines. we've

seen gold 1st constantly shift when the u. s. has claimed, you know, prior to the, the invasion of her father, any invasion of iraq would be uh, red line. and then suddenly we see that goto shifts to any major invasion or rough . so they have to know serious red lines imposed on as well. i guess we will continue to try and do what it can as long as it thinks that it can get away with that. and that is exactly the message that the international community of center is that as well can continue to conduct his campaign in the way that it has done it for the last 9 months without any serious pressure on it. whether, which will be my economic, diplomatic, and in terms of security relations, we see normalizing states continue relations, isn't always the normalizing states and the region even providing some addition, monetary and cover. and we've seen the tassel community provide, gosh, monetary and cover. instead of actually putting pressure on israel to actually at the very minimum allow for the, the required monitoring age to enter through. we're seeing the continued shipment watkins that are entirely responsible for these attacks and civilians that are

responsible for the now what is considered to be a complete underestimate of the $38000.00 that have been reported. so there has been no serious that has been a serious international impression, especially among states that do have the ability to, to really a school israel back. it brought him, i'm curious to get your thoughts, do you or your loved ones or relatives? and because have any hope that there is any mechanism right now for accountability when it comes to israel and the way they are carrying out this or do you have any hope that the case at the i c j for example, could change the way things go yes, a ceasefire is a crucial to stop the ongoing blood should and allow for the human is there enough to reach those in dire need? it is the 1st step toward restoring the sun security in the region of the world. i

say that now the month to come to, but it's a simple to cease fire and provide humanitarian at the people of palestine to be beloved goza. especially those that need those in need. they need your help more than ever. we must work together to end the cycle of violence and insurance a just and lasting ease. ibrahim could, i also just ask you, we just have a couple of minutes left, but um, thank you. first of all for speaking. so personally about what you and your family and your loved ones have been dealing with. but could you tell our viewers about what you were doing before the war broke out? how does this all impacted your life? well before more i was a palestinian journalist, an active as the human rights activist, a wife and a who. it was working with

a lot of institutions. i was working with the 16th of october. i was working with a thought i you always working with a lot of a institutions that have been supporting the palestinian or supporting or raised by the city of flag and to let the world remove their boxes and to say for them, we need someone to support us, i have been working with a lot of people. i have been working with the, violate a children in golf actually for almost a one year actually before war. everything had been demolished, everything, every single dream that i was hoping to had or hoping to seek either everything has been demolished. yeah, i mean, before i am a english literature student this and kind of hers that have goes on. and there is no if someone can reverse that, have gauze that there is no one loves that a university. there is no university stuff going on. so there was no hospitals and

goals, so there was nothing gonzalez' grandma itself, i'm sorry to interrupt you. um, but we just have time for one last question to honey. i want to ask you because you heard about him, they're talking about the need for a cease fire from what you are are are seeing as far as what's going on. do you think right now that, that things can be on track for a potential other ceasefire, or is this going to be a loose that seems very unlikely. and how about themselves so excited that this is another attempt by israel is trying to rail seized by talks we've seen numerous other attempts in the past when, whenever you've had seized by talks, you've always had some kind of major incident of the background about that has ended up derailing things and it seems very, very unlikely at this point in time. you've got to 2 warring parties here. we've mentioned exclusive denies from us. want to see the complete and total association of hostilities. this hasn't been enough to develop their involvement agencies by tools, but you still have israel, that is an ottoman on, on refusing to,

to see to any sort of spy as long as it was on this house remains. and as long as it has not, you just made a tree objective, it will continue to try to do so, which is to destroy it, how mouse and it's turned out to you. it's mandatory political and social wing. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guess brian, me ivy to honeywell stuff or andrea as tina might any other. hello and thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website obviously, or dot com. and for further discussion, go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a inside story. you can also drive the conversation on fix handle is at a inside story for me and how much i'm jerome and the entire team here. bye for now . the off we can stories from african perspective is that the main line

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