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hello welcome to the show. i'm sam is a that now a campaign, riley in western pennsylvania, turned into a scene of horror on the sides of the former us president donald trump narrowly escaped an assassination attempt. the gunman fired from the nearby rooftop, was taken down by secret service agents, the f. b. i is now classified as a potential acts of domestic terrorism. president joe biden condemned the shooting is expressing sympathy to his opponent in a rad break. from the animosity between the 2 eclipse this month, the beginning of a powerless period for political violence and america. oh, will the polarization intention received mid the wave of shock? we'll get into that in the moment with, i guess. what's the 1st this report from axels? i'm of age this was supposed to be a routine campaign. stop the once within minutes of donald

trump taking the stage. this happened take a look. what happened? as shots rang out, the former president hit the ground. secret service agents wants to protect him, while others engage the assailant. the gunman, leader, identified as 20 year old thomas to match you. crooks had managed to access a rooftop overlooking the rally and fired from the distance. the rifle used in the attack belonged to his father. the api, i says it's investigated the attempted to assess the nation as a potential act of domestic terrorism. we can president joe biden swiftly condemned the attack. i've called for calm and unity. violence has never been here where there's with members of congress and both party being targeted and shot or violent mob attacking the capitol on january 6th or brutal attack and the spouse or former

speaker of the house. nancy force or information intimidation and election officials are the cannot be plot against the city governor or the attempted assassination on donald trump. there is no place in america, this kind of violence for any violence ever. america has a long, grim history of political violence from abraham lincoln success, the nation in 8065 to the killing of john f. kennedy. nearly a century later, the specter of violence has long haunted american politics. this latest attack came just days before trump is set to accept the republican nomination for president. it also comes just 3 years of the trump supporter storm and attacked the us capital on january 6th of highlighting the increases polarization of american society. analysts see wider implications were on new grounds for i think, freebies. so i think the 1st is because the shooting happened during

a presidential campaign. secondly, because it's in the 21st century or of social media. and certainly, most importantly, because the target of political violence is a candidate who has made his political career on the politics of violence. that's the charter territory. that takes us not all way into the election in november, but it to, i think, very serious questions about the future. the american political system. all eyes are now and leaders across the political spectrum. their response could either sheila fractured nation or push it further towards the frank x assignment which alger 0 for. and so i story the let's bring on guess into the show. we have joining us from washington, dc. rachel kline failed to see me, a fellow comedies democracy conflict in governments program in minneapolis, minnesota amy called a republican political strategist, and in colchester,

in the united kingdom natasha lyn stead. a professor of us government at the university of essex. a will welcome to all me start with a me and ask this question, is the assassination attempts a natural consequence? if that's the right word, we can use to a hobbling political atmosphere and environment. so i think that we have been in a difficult period going back far before january 6th. our current majority leader, steve scully's, was hospitalized at a terrible shooting at a congressional baseball game. and so political violence is not new, unfortunately, to american politics. what i think is contributing, but it is the real oppose arise isn't today. it absolutely is. and i believe that i think that the american people need to look themselves. but americans,

leaders need to look at themselves because the rhetoric has been ramped up to a frenzy and then you have someone who is clearly on well that then steps forward, really, peers for their life fears for democracy, fears for whatever, whatever the leadership and i, i give this to both sides. um donald trump included, but they fear for their livelihood in their lives. and then they do something terrible like this. i'm not, i'm not saying they're responsible. the shooter is the most responsible. but certainly, the rhetoric needs to be cooled and that can only fall on those with microphones. we need them to step down and be true leaders. rachel, that have been cycles of political violence and us political history is amy was pointing out that is this part of the again, if we can use the word normal passing of evan flow, or always seeing something of

a different directory over the last few years. that's right, we've had major episodic, political violence in our country since the new nothing party tried to capitalize on political violence against immigrants and catholics in 18. 30 is sense. the rise of trump, we've seen of vast increase in threats and political violence used against all sorts of different groups of americans and political figures and election officials . and, well, some of that has been from the left like the steve school, these shooting. the vast majority of he looks to typically has been from the right . and what we're seeing now is the, at the g of that we're seeing probably, well, it looks like intra right violence, which happens in countries where there's been this kind of polarization. no one has ever procure enough and also disturbed individuals acts just as the former speaker was saying. and they asked when violence has been normalized in a political system,

which is what's been happening in america over the last few years. and i really hope it's a moment when all speakers can take a look at themselves and say, do i want to continue fermenting this? or can we take a step back? and particularly for the mazda faction of the republican party that has been really using violence to attack other republicans and attack a more moderate part of their party. can they be stopped from continuing the kind of rhetoric that's hollowing out the center of american politics? well, i'm showing me wants to, we'll have something to say about that, but before we go down that road, you mentioned an important board there, normalized violence being normalized natasha. if we look at the stats, do the stats suggest to us the surveys that something is different? this time that violence is being normalized mold and past episodes,

the balance of violence i was reading once of a 10 percent. think the use of force is justified to prevent trump from becoming president 7 percent saying the use of force is justified to restore trump up to the presidency. right, and that's an important study to cite that's by noted terrorism expert robert pain . and the other aspect to mention is that 10 percent that's a violence is justified to stop from a 3rd of those own guns and the 7 percent. that said, violence is justified to get trouble in the white house, half on guns, so this is a really toxic. next we have in the us, with over 400000000 guns in circulation in us, 43000 dest, by firearms. in 2023 in a complex were us politics is more polarized than ever our warm disability and

tolerance of change. we have a president. speaking of trump, who urged his supporters to seize using capital 5 people died. and more recently, the supreme court knew the highest quarter of the country has essentially given him the go ahead to do whatever he wants and has legitimize his actions in many ways. so this is a really critical point in us history, where i would agree with the speakers that have already mentioned the importance of our lead. it's talking about tolerance, talking about returning to norms, of civility. and wow, a lot of this polarization, pre dated trump. he made it where he stoved a lot of the fires, and he rejoiced in violence against others. he would often urge his supporters to attack protesters. he didn't do anything to,

to stop the siege on the capital. and basically put a bounty on his own vice president said, so he has a lot of work to i know, he said to the national convention, the republican national convention that he's going to unite the country and then he's completely rewritten his speech. but all we really looking to see how much he does change his tone. it has been mostly on the attack. and is he willing to, to go even a step more than that, which would be to actually accept and say, he's willing to accept the legitimacy of our election to accept the results. because that's critical here. this is why politics the economy jump, the how, how donald trump put a bounty on the head. can you just explain that pos of what you said, putting a bounty on the head of his vice president, wren speaking more metaphorically here, but there were people chanting king, my friends. oh my certainly that. what people tell me that just one is it for the

sake of accuracy to just to make sure we, we don't misunderstand what we're saying. let me take the discussion to amy. perhaps what natasha is getting out. one of the things i me is a loss of belief in the democratic system was we look at what's happening, people's complaints about votes counting to the supreme court. they sort of a loss of faith in democracy right now. so that there is not and on both sides again, by the way. and what i would just say is that that is never no matter what a justification for taking a shot at something. and so i would, i feel like is even in this discussion when we talk about it, and i will tell you right now the donald trump has made statements that i find a parent and, and, and dignified for a leader and dangerous,

as well as others on the other side, and i'm not, i'm not going to go into them. the point is that no matter whatever the political concern is to ramp the rhetoric up to the point where people feel it is us and them, you know, survive or, or, or kill or survive. that's the kind of rhetoric that we continue to hear. and it is dangerous, it is unhelpful, and it is, it is a tremendous undermining of the heart of our democratic system. and so even given this discussion here, i want to temper things and we say he put a bounty on the head of his vice president for that. there were people in that crowd that were saying terrible things. and donald's from said things in his speech . and again, i've never been, i've not been supportive of this, of the former president. however,

we have to lose. everyone has to look at their words and think about what they are saying and tempered their words and realize that there are disturbed people out there that will do terrible things based on really this awful fear that, that so many people are fomenting. he mentioned the word that disturbed people will do terrible things. i want to come back to that in the moment. but before we do, we just keep that in mind. if we can write chill, all we seeing a loss of belief in the neutrality of state institutions, whether it's the justice system, whether it's the electrical system, i can't speak to the motives of this individual. as other speakers, i've said, individuals who kind of let them know and also sometimes the house and, but looking in a broad sense, are you concerned about the loss of belief in the neutrality of states institutions in the why the population, not just this one shoot to a loss of belief is a passive term belief has been cause to be lost in our system. we've had political

leaders who have said that they will not accept the elections because those elections aren't fair, even when our elections are running, stored in narrowly, well, and that repair repetition of claims that elections might be fraudulent, is what is causing a reduction in belief. when we do want to take down political violence, you need 3 things. you need accountability for those who use it to deter future use . so things like promises to release the january 6th insurrection. it's very unhelpful. the supreme court to actions that increase immunity for up for our president, whomever the next president is. and that decrease the ability to sentence those january 6 protesters very unhelpful. the 2nd thing you need is societal results. and you need a society that really says, have, you know, shame, we're starting to get the majority of americans on both sides of the aisle. really,

really don't want political violence. and while there are lots of bad polls showing high numbers, the actual numbers are fairly low. and the vast majority of americans don't want it . but the 3rd thing you need is a political incentive structure that reduces the incentive ization of using the rhetoric and calls for violence and so on. and the primary structure in american politics, in which there are many, many safe political seats. and people run to the right on the republican side and to the left on the democratic side. and that is the real election because the general election is already known after the primary because so many states and districts are run by one party. what that's doing is really incentivizing extremism . and so when you have a portion of a political party that has been using violence as a way of harming the moderates in their own party, what you get is a continued incentive ization to speak towards violence. and so what we have right

now is seidel repulsion. but accountability is weakening and the political incentive structure is still wrong. and that's a really interesting group of ups of ations that we need to pick upon. but before we do that, i want to take this question to natasha. you know, a moment ago amy was talking about how disturbed individuals can take masses in their hands and do terrible things. but when we and i want to be clear, of course, we're not suggesting by any stretch of the imagination that the majority of americans condone political violence or one to political violence. it is no doubt a minority. but do the stats show more wiring trend in terms of why the sections of society actually becoming involved in political violence beyond simply the mentally dis, stubs, as you could make. the case was the case with the shooters and of president ronald

reagan general photo. andrew jackson, you know, people who are just mentally de stubs o, as in the case of the shooters with presidents, truman or roosevelt, people who are just on the very extreme fringes of american society, extreme nationalists, and so on. whereas when we look today, if we take the incidence of january, the 6 we've, it says something to be cited for finding why the segments of society, even members of o x members of the armed forces being part of this, the way it is to set the norms of what's acceptable, the norms of stability, intolerance have changed, norms of what's acceptable in terms of political violence can change. and i believe that in large part, this is due to the fact that as i was mentioning before, trump hasn't accepted the election results. and it has cast

a doubt under legitimacy, though we know they're free and fair a. and in doing so, if you look at other countries where, you know, they are struggling with democracy where there's casting out of their election, political violence often follows. and as we've seen with the decision on the capital, and everybody has seen it, and a lot of people may support in a lot of people may completely disagree with it. and so when you see that there's pull writing responses to it, but i would have thought that this type of event would have been type of event that the americans would have been unified in their discuss though. uh and you don't see that anymore. that some people think it's, it's justified, it was justifiable. what they did. i think it's really important that trump agrees to accept the election results and that we can return to a place where we, you know, accept when the party or candidates doesn't win that we can deal

with that. that's critical to any democracy. all right, and of course we, that is an important point. we haven't seen donald trump to adjust, so we say his position on the last round of election results being legitimate. right, julie, both you and a may have spoken about the importance of americans taking a 2nd look and calming the rhetoric down. we've seen the presidential candidates, both of them in the last well, 2448 hours, been urging unity. do you think this will calm down the political temperature in the country was he'll take, right. you know, i think there's a possibility of it. as i said, you see widespread social revision at what just happened to the commentary from both sides of the aisle is very, very negative toward what happened with the, with the exception of the political extremes that are still pointing fingers. and

if this turns out to be an individual from the right, i think that's a real wake up call. if it turns out that it's someone from the left, then we're, we're back to the tit for tat kind of, i think our pointing that we've been in for so many years. but it's a great to look at the candidates are going to recalibrate their entire messaging and branding so much of which has been blaming the v of a and costing the other as, as, as a threat to american democracy in the incentive structure of american politics is built around needing to polarize the population in order to get your to base out to vote for you. that's how people, when election, since the year 2000, you don't run for a general electric. that's why it's so important to change the incentive structure of american politics. but i do think that because the narrative for this particular shooting might be confusing. it's actually a chance to say we do,

we really want this? do we really want this against people that are giving up a lot of their lives to run for office and a democracy that the, those aren't easy jobs. you know, it's not just the presidential assassination. it's school board members. it's mayors. it's state legislators. it's governors. it's up and down the spectrum, the level of threats that people are getting and the height and threaten environment that they're in. and what that means is that people's children are getting threatened. so while the media finally noticed, when someone tried to take a shot at trump, it's really important to realize that this is affecting our politics to the very depths of our city level. and it's time for many people to take a look in the mirror. all right, amy, what does this mean for the elections will improve donald trump's re election chances? but certainly it gives him a strange momentum. right? joe biden, president biden is, you know, having to tell him,

don't always campaigning. put that on pause. of course the r and c would be a time for him to do that anyway, because this will be trump center stage. and so the timing for trump, it just, it helps drive as message on a campaign that was already leading. and what i would say to the former president that this is moment to step up and be a leader that and, and exhibit some leadership that i frankly have seen that has been lacking in 2020 is in the rear view mirror. leave it there, july and one and has been president for 4 years. january 6th was a terrible moment in american history. there were a lot of people responsible and those that are being held accountable should be held accountable. but looking forward, yes, since 22000. i agree. terrible like bashing of the other side has been which one you elections, but history and we are making a very level headed please. the boat. do not see that. once the, the conventions get into full swing, the climate,

the temperature is going to rise again. yeah. that, that is what i'm saying is it falls to donald j. trump, to take that temperature and be the leader that he wants to be. it will solve him to guide the entire convention and frankly, the rest of the campaign going forward. and if there isn't a moment like this that does that for him, i can't imagine there will be. this is his moment and i will be looking to see what he does have to convince natasha. what motivates gray to turn out amongst the votes is do you think i and i think under public inside, it's definitely going to motivate people to donate more to his campaign. we saw that happen after his conviction of the image of his bloody and trying to fight, you know, to get off the stage to promote an image of the sort of a tough one type of figure that needs like superman. i think they're going to play upside image and he's going to, you know,

continue to gain more financial support. and i don't know how much it's going to move the meter in terms of actual support. and his support based tends to go to the pull. they tend to be diehards whose pulling has been at 46 percent. it hasn't really changed much than or what he does. i would imagine he'd get a little bit of a bulk from this as well. and of course it affects the democrats effects their strategy. they were going to go after him really hard and it was already mentioned, they can't really do that at the same extent, they may have to change their tone. interesting right towards the bottom line, is this a even more of a lose lose out? look for biden, and the democrats, i think we really should be asking whether it's a win win or lose lose for the american people. i think the american people have a chance right now to change how they're treating one another and how they're electing political leaders and to look at is this political liter supporting

democracy in democratic institutions. or is this political leader a problem? i would say both sides of the aisle right now have problems with their political leaders and how we're electing them. and we really need to be thinking much more deeply about how to change the structures of our, of our elections so that people have faith and trust. and so people who can get more than 50 percent of the american people actually win elections. it's amy very briefly, one way of looking at this is maybe one set of things that both sides have in common. they have similar grievances. they just blaming tell the corruption of the system, right, undermining democracy. i mean, some of the, the grievances um, mirrored by both sides. that's, that's correct. um and, and you know, so while i can agree with my side that they need to, to, to, to moderate that sort of the sort of the less and it,

it seems that both sides not only point fingers at each other, but refused to acknowledge that they are doing the exact same thing, but they're just the other side of the same coin until both sides can just acknowledge that and, and do better. so we're going to continue on with this plan. i hope that this will be the wake up call that we need. all right, don, let's ended on that positive outlook and hope then that both sides will will see by the way forward. that's fine. cause i guess for joining us on the show, big things to rachel kline filed and amy called natasha. instead. i'm fine to to, for sure. you can see the show again any time by visiting our website. i'll just say with don't com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. you can also join the conversation on x o a handle. there is at a j inside story from me. so i may say that i'm the entire team here. so now

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the colleges here, when the hello, i'm down, jordan dough with a quick reminder for the top stories here on tuesday or a 112 days to go before the 2020 for us presidential election and donald trump's been officially nominated as the republican party's presidential candidate, comes to us 2 days after the country was shaken by an assassination attempt on him . during the campaign, raleigh, he's not been nominated on day one of the republican national convention of the united crumpling, now take on his democratic rival, joe biden. in november's election, his family members represented the delegation of from florida, and they announced the eclipse,

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