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hello and welcome to the program. i'm telling you. navigate with the pomp and ceremony of royalty, opening the u. k. parliament at westminster. the new labor government has now set out its legislative plans with economic growth as its priority wrecks it and high fuel costs and part due to the ukraine war have helped drive a cost of living crisis with many struggling to make ends meet. the new prime minister to your summer takes over after a landslide victory earlier this month. that ended 14 years of conservative governments. so the electorate wants to change. but what can we expect from the new government? and with the u. k. involved in the wars in gaza and ukraine. what changes if any, can we expect on foreign policy? we'll get to where it gets to in a moment. first, this report from image and kimber to my loads and members of the house of commons. the king speech mocking the official opening of the newly elected u. k. parliament,

by government will govern and service to the country. my governments legislative program will be mission lead and based upon the principles of security fan is an opportunity for all stability will be the cornerstone of my government's economic policy. every decision will be consistent with this fiscal rules. minister castaneda just says the plans laid out in the speech which is written by the government and spend will take the breaks of britain. or the following may sincerely truly tire in his labor government and has been elected with a will ping majority of 174. that i've seen the conservative party, which has been in power for 14 years. it is to welcome you. there are more than $35.00 new proposals, and at the top of the agenda is economic growth. one of those bills is building more houses,

like some question the plans. there are proposals to re nationalize the railways, which were privatized on the conservatives. 3 decades ago bought, i've seen services decline, but in foreign policy, domestic changes and not expected storm of waited for months until february, before quoting for an immediate cease fire and garza. so he's punched his policy, supposes formerly to jeremy colbin, who is a strong supporter of palestinian political. the human rights phones will search for peace. not bull. off of the new government has taken funding from pro is right, and nobody groups and some a members of the labor of friends of israel, grand, such as the new foreign minister. days off to his appointment. he travelled israel and the occupied westbank. i'm using old diplomatic efforts indeed last week with the g 7 nations, and particularly with attorney blinking, pressing full that hostage steel. and i hope to that we

see a see saw support for ukraine and it's fight against russia will be quite on wavering . but one area of defense, maybe the e u. d p. m has said he cannot robot rex it. but he can push the close to toys with your, the, whatever plans obeyed. the difficult part will be to implement the image and kimber out to 0. the inside story. ok, let's i'm bringing are guys joining us all from the u. k. we have in london, lucy fisher, who's a whitehall editor at the financial times and a host of the political fix podcasts as an officer and eastburn. we have 10 bell who's a professor of politics at queen mary university in london, and also in london as peter gig. and who was a political commentator on sunday times best selling author of the book, democracy for sale. thank you so much for your time with us on inside story peter.

i'll start with you 1st. when you look at the scale and the challenges that the u. k. faces that the speech meet the needs of the british people. and that's kind of the big question people going to be asking on the back of the she did totes on the big themes of the general election. and the beginning seems to be dealt with wholesalers, things like house things, live transports, particularly housing. and it's a king's be, so what you've got is very much an outline of these sorts of 5 bills. it's not saving so many areas. what exactly we're going to be looking at, what we can see and what's very clearly signal is a much more an intervention space than what you've seen in the past. we've, we've had 14 years and some sort of government, which ended in a rec, for defeats the conservative party. and in some respects, labor, 2nd sample here, starting the settings of open, say, i want to be much more interventionist. the big issue and the biggest is like in your packages and the some of the shows that x here farmers, where is the money going to come from? we know that the bush economy isn't, isn't a weed place on the public finances and about position was not clear. i think

coming out of this thing. speech is exactly how beyond supply side changes this going to going to address stuff. okay. gotta important points you raised there. loosely, let me ask you, what do you think the aim was of the speech on? was it achieved? i think it was to fault the see to show the scale a piece of fission to get started on some of the most difficult emissions. it is government including the one of the, the central redo that mission for a driving economic growth in order to pay for many of the things he wants to speak to. pointed out, you know, people already asking why the money is going to come from. and the big measure today, big bill announced was on counting reforms to get house building and construction and building going. i think we'll see what you see is it's need to know that will allow him to take off some easy when she knows the last government and the pony share, which i think just felt that that was a huge level of incompetence they want moving on to that touches so keep wanting to

get going on on taking on some of these manifesto valves and that's why i'm not surprised you also carry day the number of bills from the la storia administration, which is the next smoking firm and various other brands that's with me for particular to that won't allow him to um, to choke up those easy wins and show that he's complaining of the national interest . i'm not taking a courses on or tribal approach to good policy. okay, let's drill down into some of these sort of key takeaways p, tim. when it comes to planning reforms to get the country to build a more house as an infrastructure, how key was that? do you think of likely impulse? and so, i mean, one of the huge problems we have in this country is a housing market that really does notes of the population and particularly young people. it's absolutely vital that we build more homes. i'm not so sure as perhaps the government is that building but will necessarily say a big full in prices. but nevertheless,

we have to do something to make devolved by increasing supply. so that is hugely important. and of course there is a multiplier effect. once we stop building more, presumably then we will get more people into employment, although that's going to be difficult given that we already have quite high employment rates and presumably will also have enough on effect on wages as well. so that will mean there was more spending done by people in the economy, so it could establish of us to a circle. that's what we got in the hopes anyway. and peter, when it comes to the issue of enshrining into law, the ability of the fiscal watch talk to assess every big fiscal event. i mean, how significant is that? well, this is really a signal to the kind of sense which the later part here. so going to be kind of painting and go from and to slot. yeah, so you and i believe the said this is really in many ways above lives. charles, the conservative leader, before we're actually seeing that fairly short lived uh, quite disastrous concert or leader who was

a huge theme of labors massive election winning campaign that lives across it, across the economy. this trust, i trust the class a lot with the over your i mean kind of what they're kind of doing with this. i don't, i think this is more symbolic than anything else really. but it's quite a powerful symbolism all the same. let me ask a 10 then, or pardon me, i'll go to lucy 1st, at least, to the other announced what we heard was nationalizing the railway and but that is a pledge that labor made on the campaign trail saying that they will fully nationalize between network within 5 years or coming to power, and i suppose now comes the difficult bed actually trying to deliver this. how difficult is it going to be? do you think actually it sounds like it's a huge um, disruption to the way that the rail services are currently running. the heat k, but i think that the most part neighbor is trying to smoke the, you know, shift services on the states books as when contracts come to an end to avoid a huge, really upset. also avoid the kind of costs that come with nationalizing all the

utilities, which they say would just be, you know, bad bodies, the money, the tax pay. but of course, you're in the politics of this. it is a salt to the next to the party when they need to have moved away from some of the other issues that a very tricky to deliver that would demanded by the next. i think one area with is a big question. mark next is on what the final package or what, cuz rights looks like. they bought a house today and out sits introducing a bill on that front. a lot of that is going to go down to consultation, but they are all members of the country trade union movement and some of them the left length of the party or a little suspicious that some emissions at all with this stage where opposed by this big business may yet be jettisoned by the new government and was there anything not included that you wanted to see whether we're able to see it well known as possibly irrelevant. but i think certainly some funds of democracy in this country did want to say they initially put through a bill to reduce the voting age to 16. for example,

i think they wanted to see what i'm asking if i've seen registration. i think they would have liked to say labor go for the on house of lords or for mercedes. one of labor's intending to do is to get rid of the remaining hereditary pay is in the house of law. so people who have asked simply because they are born in the our stock or say, i do so we introduce a monday tray retirement age for some pays in order to get the numbers in the house of lords down. of course, many people would argue that in the 21st century, that democracy like britain, we really shouldn't be in a situation where one house of parliament is a point, a draw them elected. there are many people on the labor side to believe that, but the labor government has said that any progress on that is for the future. i think they probably will introduce folks at 60, not something that's been a policy for some time and they will introduce automatic bunch of registration. but they say that there's plenty of time to do that. and to be honest,

i think labor probably has called at least 4 or 5 years. there's no danger of this government collapsing any time soon. right. but peter, i mean that the speech might have to convince you that the campaign promises are actually being turned into reality, or at least the process is beginning because government plans and then government achieving something or are completely different. well deliver parking washington electives on a high level of the promises. there wasn't a lot of promises in the neighbor manifesto as well as it was by the same document . you know, there's a lot of talk of change, but there wasn't a lot of nice on the goals. so what we've seen today, there's not a huge amount that's mostly surprising by stuff was like beforehand. and the challenge i think for labor is less about specific policies that they, from the election campaign and more how to actually change the standards of living . they come in the united kingdom, you know, real time, real wages haven't really in place at all over the last 15 years. they long tailor . most diversity is still south and in the united kingdom. and those are,

she does quite a lot of kind of this dissatisfaction of politics as it is and the scale of labors victory. really, those also reflect the 1st past the post system we have in the united kingdom, where it's kind of winner takes also labor did very well, but a lot of that goal was very much nancy. conservative both punishing to conserve as for what was widely seen, especially towards the end of their administration of those incompetence. but the challenge for labor is actually going to be delivering something that people will feed as a time to build their funds on. and that way they will also type labor forward at the end of it, which isn't easy. 10, there's some comparison being made between in uh this, this uh, this policy that was put for these laws that are going to be inactive. and what tony blair said back in 1997, where he actually introduced the national minimum wage, a windfall tax on privatize utilities referendums on devolution and scotland wales and also independents where the bank of england does, you know, so was what is it more restrained this time around in a storm are pursuing

a more cautious approach. is that a strategy? you know, i mean, i think if you laid out those a 1997 um policies, uh all the pots of totally bad they, they the quoted price they put, i think if you looked into and summarize these 40 proposals by the labor government in 2024, probably you could pick out some which was just as impressive. actually the labor government in 1997 was very cautious for the 1st few years. and indeed some of the politicians said that they wished they taking more involved to just the huge majority that they had. but, but i mean, i think what peter says is incredibly important. and the labor government has to be seen to deliver on some of the things that people felt were very, very important. and then the selection and which are really to do with legislation they all to do, quite frankly, with results is that needs to be diverted into all crumbling public services. now that's something that a king speech is really going to talk very much about,

but it's actually in the end probably what is going to help labor when a 2nd time in particular, obviously money for the national health service. a guy, as you've already alluded to in some ways, these parts of the challenge, the labor faces because of the moment the people are asking where the money is going to come from. and it's very difficult to believe that unless, if they keep to that fiscal, we'll say find all the false forms of tax revenue and they're going to be able to do that. that isn't really something that's dealt with a miss king speech. it wouldn't really be dealt with in any, and i just, it's a program, but it's something the government is going to have to do pretty soon. i think, literacy way in on this. i mean, my peter and sam rightly points out that this is according to research and polls coming out of the u. k. that after the election, people felt that delivery was lacking by the last government. so how much pressure a storm are under a to deliver right now and is says agenda dominated by a more for a gradual approach to change. i think she is under huge pressure to delete the does

waste this balance between people cool. bought use voltage balance due to this, but in fact, as you say, the polling showed at the notes dimension. even people who are aligned to themselves and knowledgeable with conservative values, felt that the in the administrative should be in the 14 years, the policy was not delivering the full was no, you know, competence. and that's one of the she really is that they have received such a crushing verdict from the public and a huge defeat, the german and action. so in that sense, pressure is i want to get stronger. in addition, you know, i think he need, he knows that he will be on paper. his majority looks huge. a lot of the things he draw up, he's won all by points in margins. so you know, come the next election in just 5 years time. he needs to prove he's deliberate, and the race is all to get some of the most difficult subjects on, on the way. now,

at the spend some of his political capital want it tight, but it is a very difficult school situation. where do you see the political campaign begin by this government to sort of bring all this kind of things out of the closet and try and in some of the worst situations like the prisons capacity crisis on the last tory administration, we have some kids, thomas say you know, the prisoners issue as well as, and he realized at one in a position and i think we'll be hearing a lot more about that in coming weeks. we teresa is going to bring forward this review all the parties spending inheritance that will do a lot of that to make lack of trying to hold the lowest government responsible. and that could potentially a way for tax rises later this weekend. and even though the government now pledged, you know, increased taxes and working people that suggested that it had no plans, a tax rises outside of the very narrow rough dimensions it outlined. and it's not at best. i think we could yet see them say,

now we've seen under the bonus and just how bad the situation is. we all going to have to raise revenue from someone a before we go on to the issues of foreign policy, peter, i just got to ask you about breakfast because it seems that labor part of the labor party is adopted sort of the same policy as the conservatives, which is that they won't have another referendum despite the poll, suggesting that the brits wouldn't vote to, to go back into the you. i mean, how, how much of an issue this breaks it remained well during the extra kind of in breaks. it was the kind of the dog that didn't buy a notification of heartache even to live dan's as liberal democrats, who are, whose policies to wants to return to your opinions really talk about brag, set it all. but it's a huge aspect of the common situation in britain is and one of the reasons we've had such sluggish goals the last few years is the is the trade barriers. it's already gonna be the one lee, but it does exist that could be polled to quickly increase g d p as that goes for volume. and with your convenience, that also comes with lots difficulties. there's already been in the back, the d, like cetera. i think what's going to be interesting to watch at the moment labor

doesn't really want to talk about it. it wouldn't be interesting. it was delivered, democrats were to become more vocally, a t rex that i think there's definitely a large amount of there's a large percentage of labor holes in the big labor members who are very agitated by wrecks that still. so i think to think it's disappeared as an issue just because it doesn't mean the apparently king's page is to slide image read was the, the reality you had that is still a massive fisher versus politics and these kind of on, on result in many respects. okay. time what, what did appear, though in the king speech is that the u. k. one's better relations with the you. but is it clear how far labor is willing to go when it's pretty clear that they don't want to rejoined a single ball? take all the customs union, which is piece of sac, would be the easiest way of getting groves in this country because economists fail . but that's probably cost us around 5 percent of the g d p. case tom and his labor colleagues are obviously still very worried about losing people who voted leave in 2016 from this coalition that they've built in 2024. so this,

i think very different charles, that will see that happening, at least in the 1st time of the labor government. what labor will trying to do is to use the read negotiation of the trade corporation agreement that comes out for renegotiation in 2025 to try and as it was incorrect, the edges and improve some possible trading relationship with the european union, i think will probably say agreements on uh, victory issues and that will help i think with the export and import food animals prompts, etc. that will help. we may see some moves towards what we call dynamic alignment. so that will be as the you changes as regulated tre rules in various areas. we will automatically change jobs to home and noise with them, and that will make it easier for people next bolting to the european union. that will make a difference for quite frankly, we all, if we don't rejoin the single market and we don't, we joined the custom julian going to be treated by the european union as

a country with all the disadvantages. and the friction that involves. okay, and on ukraine, lucy, i mean, do you see any difference or between the conservatives and the labor party when it comes to ukraine? we heard in the king speech that's, you know, ukraine is hugely important and we understand from this government, but backing and arming. ukraine will continue. i think that's the one kind of area of policy. what keeps telling me is we g distress continued t with his breed excessive wishes to knock, and he says that in pretty on the skies times that the u. k. remains foursquare mind keep. they've committed to the same uplifting spending old on military h t crane 3000000000 yet till 20 set to you, that the conservatives had certainly stalled in the space before the election. an officer to possibly reassure told him is lensky, including the night to summit in washington. last week, so i think mount scenario where we weren't see any deviation. one question mark

still remains as the how long it will take the flight to supplement to increase defense expenditure at 2.5 percent, the gdp. they've said they'll get that on the pub. this week announced a major strategic defense review. we'll see the top the road map how they get back from the current level of defense spending, which is 2.3 percent g, d, p. and of course, the other war is guys, peter, what does this government mean for, for is really support on the war on gods? i mean, we did see that during the election. they lost seats, and there has been approved or palestinian supporters from the labor party is you know, we heard in our report that a number of ministers have actually received is really donations of this, this report claiming more than 40 percent of care storm. his cabinet has been funded by a pro is really group. so do you expect continue it see there as well when it comes to support for israel just like the conservative? well anything speech the person talks about wanting to sort of

a piece in the middle east on the have a saw for an independent palestinian stage. i think care storm or i'm a senior ministers are, are very wary especially publicity and by what happened in the election, they were very slow to support the cease fire. i think many of them that were breaks, how slow they were to support the ceasefire and gaza. the language from the labor party has changed as your package shows. uh they allow me the phone secretary was and is what i'm using benjamin netanyahu recently as well. i think they're trying now to try and kind of kind of a little bit to try and stop some of the tax on them from their less like around guys. what we heard of that game space is nothing really new. i mean that's a, that's, that's been a longstanding u. k policy, right support for the to stay solution and pursuing peace when it comes to is realism, housing. and so there was nothing new. i know that is no longer making speech. i know which is not that surprising because of things which doesn't tend to deal with foreign policy issues. and so i think in that respect is not surprising. well, the neighbor hardly will do that's new or is, i think, is still unclear. will it look to recognize that an independent policy and st. now

we're out of now for 2 sites, leasing such a task, possibly one place where a pressure will be applied. okay. and to him when it comes to transatlantic relations, um relations with the u. s. i mean, does not depend not so much on actually who occupies 10 diamond street, but who occupies the white house spot? so yes, i mean, uh, whatever labor for example wants to do in terms of helping ukraine is going to depend in the end on where the donald trump wins in the united states in november and decide whether or not to actually continue the us support for ukraine without us support, british supports in european support. what really mean a great deal. so the election in november in the united states of america is going to be incredibly important for you k foreign policy. clearly you'd have to say that case, dom i'm told trump uh, choke and chase. uh, i think they, they, i think i'd speak very, very differently. but obviously

a labor government as has happened before, is just going to have to deal with whoever they have to deal with in, in the white house, whether they will still talk about the so called special relationship was don't trump to win? well, we've yet to say, yeah, we will see that. um, just final thoughts from the 3 of you on the, on the same question. lucy, i'll start with you. where do you think this new government sees the new case place in the world? well certainly you know, just on the has said that new k is back, he wants to play a big role on the world stage. and i think we will see the piece of travels and the prime minister, an orange secretary, desktop, reflect that in coming on. and tim, i think we will see labor play more of a european role rather than replacing the operations of the conception government have to some sort of in the pacific tale. so i think many people in the life of policy seeing that is to, i'm vicious. so i think they will play a big part,

but it will be a regional role if anything, peters and you agree with that or do you have any other thoughts? why would that go that i think and we, we will be of more of your funeral. it depends what happens in the why size as well in november's election, and then also to some degree with also depend once the direction property you are paying politics takes, as european politics move furniture right into the poppy destroys. it's quite striking next year starting with a call to buy, which has green spaces, an antidote populism. i think there could be changing in the future between, you know, what could be populous and by right, governments in europe and the british government. and how do you think that he'll be able to handle that? i think it's going to be tricky. i think, you know, we've got senior labor figures who have been actually very vocal against the populace royce. now we can see move with our it's donald from having to kind of backtrack quite a last i certainly i think it was easy to story in the i see do today looking through the various comments that people like david allow me to find 2nd notice of made about donald trump. don't know if it's a race laughing and is the middle of walking back on the us. and i think similarly

when it comes to your up, i think it's going to put some challenge for the state for government that wants to be seen as principals wants to be seen. i think in some respect, as it's not leading a social democratic charge at least occupying in and the popular space when it's going to be book building up against the populace governments. okay, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much for joining us at lucy. fisher, it's in bell and peter again, we appreciate your time. thank you. and thanks for watching, you can see the program again, any time by visiting our website out to 0. talk. com for further discussion and go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. turn the conversation on x or handle is adrian side. story for myself and the whole team here in delphi. thanks for watching and bye for now. the the latest news as it breaks the functioning hospitals across the street are in the

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