the data from china's expansion and visions, it's not up to the people in taiwan to the side, about the one china policy, the israel aggressive doctrine, genocidal rhetoric, identify the intensity with genocide and intense light is really government with nothing. $30000.00 defense of thousands of thousands that would be hundreds of thousands of dollars has been left the house and the stucco. some of the toughest issues of our time had to hit coming soon on a jersey to the hello. i'm adrian said again, this is counting the cost on i'll just see where you'll be to look at the world of business and economics. this week, buckle up for a wild ride. taxis could take to the skies, and self driving costs will become more common. transport is changing rapidly,

so what does the future hold? health crises and geo political tensions of interrupted global trade. but the way we move goods is also changing. new technologies helped to solve supply chain disruptions and saving the planet and one aircraft at a time. the ation industry aims to become compet beautiful by 2050 kenneth, make the transition sustainability or is it all just a process? it is the glue that binds economy as transportation connects people and businesses world wide. but the choices we make about how to get from one place to another, going to have a large impact on the environment. transportation is responsible for around 37 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions. the world bank says the move to sustainable transport could save 70 trillion dollars in mobility costs by the 2050. now, as governments look to the future, the aiming to be compromised,

their economies a shift away from fossil fuel vehicles. but does the future of transportation looks month, katia lopez, her young reports is no longer science fiction. new technologies could revolutionize transportation as we know it from our roads to the skies. some projects may seem light years away, but others are already being tested. ads like these have become more common showcasing cars, the double us line vehicles. it's ultimately a race to tap into the market of the future and outperformed competitors. so as a car, save hole in the field of electric aviation europe in the us, the starting roughly on power with china. there's no reliance on traditional engines and we can take advantage of china's new energy supply chain. a new high tech transportation industry could re shape the way we live. traveling time for a long and short distance is would be less. and the use of electric vehicles would

be the norm with more self driving cars, including those that take to the sky. woman took our opinion typically, so to adjust it, k, a product can operate both autonomously and manually. it's very simple to operate even for a beginning. you'll, you only need about an hour of training you houses or yoda. but there's also concerns technology pioneered by companies like testifying the us could be the end of public transportation and its infrastructure. some however, have managed to combine both japan's for self driving bus, immersed about executive go with sensors and artificial intelligence behind the wheel. green technologies could also transform commercial aviation, making it faster and cleaner with plants of met, 0 emissions by 2050 vendors trade within the global economy. companies are looking at a i systems that will change the industry,

simplifying logistics, and deliveries by digital least synchronizing shipments. the transition may be exciting, but it's also expensive. projects need funding and lots of it, as well as backing from investors and ultimately government clearance. the path towards high tech transportation isn't fully clear just yet, but it appears there is no going back. capielo priscilla again to 0 for counting the cost. the changes in the transportation industry could transform how some countries do business, but changes in trade. well, that would impact the global economy. the world's commerce reached mold in such a trillion dollars last year alone. it includes everything from actual to home appliances and most online shopping. the cobit 19 pandemic was a big wakeup coal instead of relying on offshoring. this now great a push for near shoring that secure supply chains closer to home,

especially since more than 80 percent of goods. a tron supported by c wealthy nations, also looking to integrate artificial intelligence into the supply chains. but the move could wipe them the gap with developing nations that don't have that technology. the, on those short costs to sustainability and the process is costly. dekalb, it lies in shipping by 2050 would cost an estimate of $2.00 trillion dollars according to one report. most take a couple of land infrastructure and new renewable energy facilities. and when it comes to aviation, the industry is facing its own set of challenges, particularly in going green. most commercial aircraft use jet fuel, which is responsible for around 2 and a half percent of global c o. 2 emissions shifting to sustainable fuel could cause compet emissions by as much as 80 percent. but it's more expensive, at least at this point, which would mean higher prices to move people and goods the are paying commission

products the by the 2050 demand for flying could increase aviation is greenhouse gas emissions by more than 300 percent. if no drastic measures are taken to reduce them, all this data can be somewhat overwhelming. so let's break it down to an individual level. you and me. on average one person has an annual carbon footprint of around 6 tons. that's according to a you and report. not having a call can reduce that footprint by up to $3.00 tons, switching from a regular car to an electric fix else could also be a game changer if camilla drive is greenhouse gas emissions by around 2 tons per year. well, there's a lot to unpack here, so let's get to a guess. joining us from london, adrian moss: a technology consulting, specializing in future. ology from hampshire, the u. k. john sagan, he's the transport leader at the u. k. in the middle east and africa. our but also in london, alex much at us is ation atlas. gentleman,

a world welcome to you will adrian. let's start with you. you can already hi, have a drive us tab in some us cities. how long they were before were all flying around in apple and caps? i think probably longer than is being predicted to is the on. so i will pay for the were low battery is to it going absolutely main stream to get it really cheap. we need pilot less ones, and there's a lot of, i think public worry and concern about any pilot list play and i think we'll see relatively small scale things happen fairly quickly. um, so the saudi arabia that pushing it very, very hard and the regulatory environment is very sympathetic in other places by experimenting with the segregate to this space. so along very specific routes which makes things much easier to range. and the safety of these things should be way

best them helicopters, they don't have rotors that have to tilt. they have electric motors rather than i'm rather than, uh, a, you know, the hey, jason, few based stuff which are inherently more reliable in the most cool. right. it does so there's a lot of redundancy. so it's very, very promising. but it's not going to compete for quite a while with calls with gram transported spill in that per off maintenances expensive pilots are expensive. an hour and d is expensive. so i think it's coming, but um, you know, maybe for apple transpose the may be for the specific use cases very well. see people, but i don't think we'll be nipping to the center of ass. it is on a daily basis, isn't that taxi for, for some time? right, let's, let's come back to the near future. then john, feel people will own the cause out right in the future. comp, pooling,

right hailing short term rentals will be preferred. how will manufacturers have to restructure the business models in the near future our manufacturing. so i need to, to structure that the business model is the i think. and what we can see around the world is lots of manufacturers switching to, to manufacturing electric vehicles. um at caresoft, so uh, lots of change your design of the dom onto new and different components and with those new and different components. so scarcity of results says say i think will say a shift to people. um, no, i mean things outright so uh great. so christy sharing is of carlos and as, as people change their preferences and behavior as well. so i'm going to invest as much money in, in i don't even a car and that'd be more predisposed to, to sharing something. i'm so the industry a manufacturer is going to have to uh, to evolve and change how they sell cost would be for as well. alex,

let's talk about the business of a vision. then we'll, 1st of all the question we have. so the beginning of the program, will the aviation industry ever be coffin, useful and, and what is its future more people wanna fly? but obviously they don't want to damage the environment with all the lines that are operating in the world right now. survival, are we going to expect to see further consolidation in the industry? i think we're going to see consolidation, whether or not a vision is successful at the club and i think specially markets right here. but to go to the ultimate challenge that aviation bases. it is, as you have highlighted, the fact that i vision is projected to continue to grow to record numbers and also in markets that have not yet matured in, in the way that some of the markets have. and at the same time, we have the pressures of the climate crisis and how does a guy she actually de compromise?

how do we have measures that genuinely bring down the way in which a tribal loops and is able to ultimately to kind of clean a green a bunch of itself? is that possible? i think the quick concept to that in a nutshell is that on a smooth list, scout. and specifically, perhaps in regional aviation, i was speaking to a see a logan at a scottish carrier to really relied upon us upon a domestic flights. we didn't scotland, and across the i was, and they are like pay to be among the 1st, with all the rad likes to be able to make that request of a small discount. and that is because we have massive limitations in terms of the amounts of sustainable aviation deal that is available to us today. the fact that batteries remaining cars are pretty heavy and that for not super helpful for something that you're trying to get off of the ground and do so in terms of funding and scouts. so there are complications that had but we will see progress. but it's

definitely going to be a slow and steady start to work this johnny will eventually become. so let's talk about alternatives to flying. adrian, how important will high speed rail be in the future? it's still in possible to travel directly by rail between some european cities. that's not the case in china, which has invested heavily in high speed rail. is that the future? do you think rather than the navy action will be traveling more by train than flying between cities? i would like to fix a button, let's say the politicians provide. so the economic incentives to travel as a i don't think that's gonna happen. so high speed rail a to very, very expensive the evidence economic, but the economic benefits running the climate change benefits of a. so the, for instance, in china showed that initially, when you put high speed, riley, and particularly when you connecting up smaller cities, they cannot make benefit. so significant, the more you put in the less the benefits to date,

the grades of why as you expand the network, it states the may you to have major connections that really make a difference. so it's a, they take very, very, very expensive. um the u. k. 8 tests to high speed to links has been scaled back significantly. the costs have been involved. the big infrastructure projects often go over budget and, and in a sort of crowded small, relatively small country. you end up upsetting a lot of people when you deliver that land and demolish that happens isn't that businesses? so it's not always easy. it's definitely a part of the solution, but it's not as you grow and of course that sees to deal with as well. so you comp, replace ad travel and the problem with sustainable ad travel is that all of the solutions, nobody's really offering much of the 2000 miles. and that's with hydrogen ad bossa

working towards hydrogen base that cross, but they're not really predicting much more than 2000 a month for our 2000 mile range. so that's not going to, we're place a lot of battery by stuff is already been said by heavy that's even show to range or low. you know, that's exhilarating of the pace and batteries are rapidly becoming cheaper and better. but that wasn't compete with long grain jet travel in the foreseeable future. and bio fuel was that have been grown to make sort of, to replace 100 call them based feel was all controversial because they replace a food cropped. so there is no easy solution inherits. it's a combination of, of lots of different approaches. john food and manufacturer of goods that need to be delivered quickly and efficiently. how do you see that business changing in, in the near future? it's really important we think about spray and the uh,

the impact to a site on the april transport system and the international principle for him as a full cost is uh, between uh 2015 levels of freight. and the expectation is that the freight task would triple by, by 2050. so this. busy is challenged, that what was that house? i bought the soonest, each fence for the freight sector. so in this big driving challenge in freight. and then we will say, how old are the contractual drivers of a freight things are driving movement. they were witnessing a major transformation of their right. so consumption and how we can seems things and the retail models, how we find things that we received things, how we behave as consumers and trade is changing, but we get things from and to manufacturing as well. is changing with shifts and an economic price, and then don't lease the energy transition, which i mean the energy products represent such a sense of a freight movement. and then that's going through the fundamental transition as

well. so if we have this or not, we look at this kind of a task that's changing. most of the drive is changing. and also what we got in phrase a hoity fragmented sex driven by, by private companies. and there's always that kind of invisible network. so people don't always spend most the time thinking about what is a huge opportunity, i think, to step back and i'm think about how the, how to coordinate different ways of transport and how to make good investment decisions for the long time. but how do we do we cheap, reduce the carbon emissions as a freight transport april. that makes it goes freight movement is, is a big part of the, the, a variation industry coming back to, to, to what i drew was saying about, about high speed rail. how much of a threat do airlines a l i company is a believe high speed. well to be what's the future of the short whole and regional businesses? for example, this is definitely something that has the low cost deadlines idea lines to operate

domestic life, pay attention, the ones that are being sensible about this, on not proceeding or, or looking at these train upgrade, says as enemies, as you know, the compact says that are trying to steal out passages in the name of the climate, but raw the are establishing code share agreements with them deals with them. so for example, environment operates are based in paris and i know that you need to get this out the front. let me be sensible one full more relationship as an add on with the train up, right? so if i have the infrastructure that and the route companies ready to take my pass and just let them book on one ticket so that when they landed chargeable, i handed them over to the rail. great. so now it sounds great in reality, doesn't waste what i had to cancel my recently when the next available option was the following day and the outline was absent, but they would not look me onto a route. so they would have had me that that evening because they said they have no commercial relationship with them. and so they were waiting for me. i called them for rent to be a high, a spent the whole night there in a hotel. and so these costs in the end,

i won that back to but it's kind of that representative of what happens across the why the ideas you ecosystem, i think boston for months, we need to see the type of sac sustainable ideation you increase on these short whole flights because it's the shock of mine that are incredibly polluting. yes. if you were emissions, then i don't know like, but we're flying them so much more. you know, the frequency is great. it's way cheaper to buy from london to mention that then it is to get the train and yet we know the difference in emissions. so if we had to take a lot of stuff and we would change, wouldn't be able to dekalb and nice to show who likes. and it can only progress to the mitchel loan whole. the reason why we're not there, adrian is because nobody it wants to pay for it. and that's the number of it really isn't it? i'd read all of this is expensive. i wonder if a, the integration of a, i into transport systems will make this any cheaper a cost a i itself is not going to come cheap. is it?

oh, and actually i have only really a lot of pay all and data centers is using quite a lot of n g. it's mostly the energy intensive, but yeah, i mean, planning, load carbon roots. this does already save and g, i mean uh, you know, the last moment delivery is planned using um, a lot of technology to reduce the 5th of the month to beacon hoping motivation is that you don't have to regulate that. um, you know, companies want to use as little fuel as possible and do things as quickly as possible. it's cheaper that way. but some, i think the biggest effect to buy on is a driver of unemployment sadly, but also getting rid of people. so we'll expect to see ships with um with may be fleets of ships with just one bridge crew on one ship and um, and multiple ships this uh, autonomously controlled. um,

that'll still need people a boat look off the, the engineering and, and make sure things are tied down because that's something gregory has to be done and, and all the duties. but you can reduce number of people on board. likewise, as we've already starting to see, dr. bayless calls, and we don't know when that's going to happen. i'm dr. bliss trucks and ones who have dr. least trucks. so on the relatively large scale, you can adapt the infrastructure to suit them. so that means putting distribution centers next to the roads, but really suit them, which is most why use holloway's making the distribution centers drive this truck friendly and then you can have automated loading and unloading. but of course, all of its automation, which is ending, has been an increasing trend for many, many decades, leads to unemployment. and we need a cannot mix solution to that. probably

a guaranteed minimum income system that we have to pay says the have we ma'am money at the moment. um okay, but yeah, no carry on later. well, i was gonna say i is going to be absolutely crucial to the call familiarizing. but the effect of that re, very unknown, for instance, if you have lots of electric drive police calls on the road and then it may be that we are in the golden future where pete, we don't need to have an arrow and cause there's less cause on the road we have a point to point taxi whenever we need one. 0, we could be looking at a, a, a much worse state of affairs where everybody moves away from public transport. that's huge numbers of drive list calls on the road, clothing roads, where they could be on buses and trains. and um and where and it was state then we would be sol, john. hey, i is,

is already making inroads into the business of logistics and move, moving goods around. how do you, how do you view the future with a i will what i'm coming back to what alex was saying about us needing a much more integrated a system. how does not apply in terms of logistics, of, of moving goods around and, and things like customs and, and regulatory supervision could, could that be automated through our, i much more in the future. yeah, definitely. and the can, i mean, certainly the distribution centers, right. i mean, i just made some important points that are about the, at some of the developments that we expect with, with, with, with nation. so really distribution centers, customs, regulate free environment. it's absolutely going to shape or technological advancements in the, in, in the future as an opportunity to, to reduce costs and operational costs. i think as, as, as adrian said, that as a physical, as a consequence there in terms of a jobs in the,

in the economic impact ultimately as we step towards the future. and it will help with the, the cosign the equation also really important. the, the, the resilience of logistics, i'm afraid networks as well. and as, as we've already discussed, the scanner, the principal task is, is growing significantly. i think the opportunity is to step back and look at the role, but each move needs to play within, within the transport task, including freight so that we invest wisely in that, in each of the different nice because complementarity in terms of the, the task that best like, you know, and, and, and, and if we look at the extra cost, i agree, i think the real challenge is, is who's gonna, who's going to invest. and i'm pay upfront for some of the infrastructure that we need to get moving in the right direction. alex, what role? well, i play in the future of the nation to distribute it's already playing a role in, in, in aviation now, but, but how much more integrated will it become

a airlines seeing it as something of the future? are they willing to invest in it? yeah, absolutely, the investment is already underway and i always making its way a family into the heart of that line, oppressions. it has immense rose to play when it comes to scheduling. russ, during fleet maintenance, planning, it's able to for see what needs to be, where when it's able to, to figure out in half a 2nd how to get at this crew from that station. what does that cost is on the ground to here with as little impact on the fleet, and then passengers and costs as possible is that they was do, we'll need the equations that would typically take time and manpower very, very quickly. and that's something that is being used today along with i always wrote on everything that is kind of customer facing. and the, you know, shit, number of people at any one time calling to ask about a luggage allowance or to find a little bag. and that's the way i always really signing in these kind of areas. i

was recently with a group of that live ceos in humbug, where we were looking at different solutions that are based in terms of, you know, the promise of never losing your life. did you get knowing exactly why you're back? is it every single phase of the journey of being able to empower past and just that way to the colonize through purchasing. just anyway, the ocean view through systems that are fully integrated with ad hoc knowing exactly who to offer it to, to and lead to the privilege of the uh, platinum tier of the line. loyalty seems to agree to those that are more conscious about that footprint. pops yeah, probably. so it's definitely that. okay. i think almost all the time, but one last question to to you, to what extent of the future do you think that one, i'm not just talking about aviation here, but to what extent does the future belong to those? with the deepest pockets in terms of transportation. and i think we are seeing a trend united, the i, it shows that luckily the travel continues to remain affordable and will continue

to remain affordable as more market kind of come on line into the idea should sex that we've done here. we know how sophisticated it is across asia, southeast asia, the americans and so on. i for conduct the countries that make up the constant really need that she wants to grow. and that's why the sustainable options must be that for those that have already polluted enough to be carbonized, but to enable the growth needs to connectivity across concepts like africa. that really does that connectivity. because ultimately, i guess in this project keeps a growing record numbers on a constant with the was younger population for cost it over the next 10 to 15 years . gentlemen, that we must have that manufacturing date for being with us on today's edition of counting the cost. thank you. and that's our show for this week. if you'd like to comments on anything that you've seen, i'm at a finished good on x. try to remember to use the hash tag h a c t c, or you can drop us a line counting. the cost of elders here i don't met is i'll email address as

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