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for reparations and justice stories from all the angles. life is actually music of the way people talk, the way we walk programs that open your eyes to an alternative view of the world today. on now to sierra the hello, i'm adrian said again, this is coming from the coastal obviously right. you'll be to look at the world of business and economics. this week, buckle up for a wild ride. taxis could take to the skies and self driving cars will become more common. transport is changing rapidly. so what does the future hold? health crises and geo political tensions of interrupted global trade. but the way we move goods is also changing to new technologies,
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helped to solve supply chain disruptions and saving the planet and one aircraft. at a time, the ation industry aims to become comp and mutual by 2050 kind of make the transition sustained the policy. or is it old just because it is the glue that binds economy as transportation connects people and businesses world wide, but the choices we make about how to get from one place to another can have a large impact on the environment. transportation is responsible for around 37 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions. the world bank says the move to sustainable transport could save 70 trillion dollars in mobility costs by the 2050. now is governments look to the future, the aiming to be compromised, their economies a shift away from fossil fueled vehicles. but does the future of transportation looks mot? capielo pasquale on reports is no longer science fiction. new technologies
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could revolutionize transportation, as we know it from our roads to the skies. some projects may seem light years away, but others are already being tested. ads like these have become more common showcasing cars, the double us line vehicles. it's ultimately a race to tap into the market of the future and outperform competitors source of ha, save how in the field of electric aviation europe, in the us, the starting roughly on power with the china. there's no reliance on traditional engines and we can take advantage of chinese new energy supply chain. a new high tech transportation industry could re shape the way we live. traveling time for a long and short distance is would be less and the use of electric vehicles would be the norm with more self driving cars, including those that take to the sky. woman took our opinion typically. so the one
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josh, it could be a product can operate both autonomously and manually. it's very simple to operate even for a beginning. you'll, you only need about an hour of training you houses or yoda. but there's also concerns technology pioneered by companies like testifying the us could be the end of public transportation and its infrastructure. some however, have managed to combine both japan's for self driving bus, immersed about a techie to go with sensors and artificial intelligence behind the wheel. green technologies could also transform commercial aviation, making it faster and cleaner with plants of met, 0 emissions by 2050. the vendors trade within the global economy. companies are looking at a i systems that would change the industry, simplifying logistics, and deliveries by digital least synchronizing shipments. the transition may be exciting, but it's also expensive. projects need funding and lots of it,
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as well as backing from investors and ultimately government clearance the path towards high tech transportation isn't fully clear just yet, but it appears there's no going back. katia, little priscilla again to 0 for counting the cost. the changes in the transportation industry could transform how some countries do business, but changes in trade. well, that would impact the global economy. the world's commerce reached mold in such a trillion dollars last year alone. it includes everything from actual to home appliances, a most online shopping. the curve at 19 pandemic was a big wake up coal instead of relying on offshoring. this now great a push for near shoring that secure supply chains closer to home, especially since more than 80 percent of goods. a tron supported by c wealthy nations are also looking to integrate artificial intelligence into the supply
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chains. but the move could wipe them the gap with developing nations. the don't have that technology, the on those short cuts to sustainability and the process is costly. dekalb, it lies in shipping by 2050 would cost an estimate of $2.00 trillion dollars according to one report. most takes a couple of land infrastructure and new renewable energy facilities. and when it comes to aviation, the industry is facing its own set of challenges, particularly in going green. most commercial aircraft use jet fuel, which is responsible for around 2 and a half percent of global c o. 2 emissions shifting to sustainable few could cut carbon emissions by as much as 80 percent, but it's more expensive, at least at this point, which would mean higher prices to move people and goods the are paying commission products. the by the 2050 demand for flying could increase aviation is greenhouse gas emissions by more than 300 percent. if no drastic measures are taken to reduce
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them, who will this data can be somewhat overwhelming? so let's break it down to an individual level. you and me, on average one person has an annual carbon footprint of around 6 tons. that's according to a you and report. not having a call can reduce that footprint by up to 3.6 tons. switching from a regular car to an electric fixed of could also be a game changer if camilla drive has greenhouse gas emissions by around 2 tons per year. well, there's a lot to impact here. so let's get to a guess. joining us from london, adrian models, a technology consulting, specializing in future ology from hampshire, the u. k. john sagan, he's the transport leader at the u. k. in the middle east of africa, our up and also in london. alex much at us is ation alice. gentleman, a world welcome to you will adrian. let's start with you. you can already. hi hale, a drive us tab in some us cities. how long the before we're all flying around in
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apple and caps? i think probably longer than is being predicted to is the on so i will pay for the were low battery is to it going absolutely main stream to get it really cheap. we need pilot this ones, and there's a lot of, i think public worry and concerned about any pilot list play and i think we'll see relatively small scale things happen fairly quickly. um, so the saudi arabia that pushing it very, very hard and the regulatory environment is very sympathetic in other places by experimenting with the segregate to this space. so along very specific routes which makes things much easier to range. and the safety of these things should be way best them helicopters, they don't have rotors that have to tilt. they have electric motors rather than i'm rather than, uh, a, you know, the hey, jason,
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few based stuff which all inherently more reliable. and the most cool, right? to so there's a lot of redundancy. so it's very, very promising. but it's not going to compete for quite a while with calls with gram transported spill in that proff maintenances expensive pilots are expensive. an hour and d is expensive. so i think it's coming. but um, you know, it may be far, airport transposed the may be for the specific use cases, very well fi people, but i don't think, but we nipping to the center of ass. it is on a daily basis, isn't that taxi for, for some time? cry. let's, let's come back to the near future then john, few people will own the cause out, rights in the future. comp, pooling right hailing short term rentals will be preferred. how will manufacturers have to restructure the business models in the near future?
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our manufacturers, i need to to structure that the business model is the i think. and what we can see around the world is lots of manufacturers switching to to manufacturing electric vehicles. um at caresoft. so uh, lots of change your design, also to mom's new and different components and with those new and different components. so scarcity of results is say, i think we'll say a shift to people. um, no, i mean things outright say great. so it goes to sharing as of carlos, and as, as people change their preferences and behavior as well. so i'm going to invest as much money in, in when you get a car, and that'd be more pre disposed to sharing something. i'm so the industry and manufacturer is going to have to uh, to evolve and change how they sell comes to people as well. alex, let's talk about the business of, of the issue. and then we'll, 1st of all the question we have. so the beginning of the program, will the aviation industry ever be common, useful and,
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and what is its future more people want to fly, but obviously they don't want to damage the environment with all the lines that are operating in the world right now. survival, are we going to expect to see further consolidation in the industry? i think we're going to see consolidation, whether or not a vision is successful at the club and i think specially markets like your but to go to the ultimate challenge that aviation faces. it is, as you have highlighted the fact that a vision is projected to continue to grow, to record numbers and also in markets that have not yet matured in, in the way that some of the markets have. and at the same time, we have the pressures of the climate crisis and how does a guy she actually de compromise? how do we have measures that genuinely bring down the way in which a tribal pollutes and is able to ultimately be kind of putting a green,
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a version of itself? is that possible? i think the quick concepts of that in a nutshell is that on a smaller scale and specifically perhaps in regional aviation, i was speaking to a see a logan at a scottish terry up to really relied upon the domestic fights we didn't scotland and across the i was, and they are like pay to be among the 1st with all the red lines to be able to make that request of a small discount. and that is because we have massive limitations in terms of the amounts of sustainable aviation feel that is available to us today. the fact that batteries remaining cars are pretty heavy and that for not super helpful for something that you're trying to get off of the ground and do so in terms of funding and scouts. so there are complications ahead, but we will see progress. but it's definitely going to be a slow and steady start to work this johnny will eventually become. so let's talk about alternatives to flying. adrian, how important will high speed rail be in the future?
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it's still in possible to travel directly by rail between some european cities. that's not the case in china, which has invested heavily at high speed rail. it is not the future, do you think rather than the navy action will be traveling more by train than flying between cities? i would like to fix a button, let's say the politicians provide. so the economic incentives to travel as a, i don't think that's going to happen and high speed rail a to very, very expensive the evidence economic, but the economic benefits running the climate change benefits of a study, for instance in china showed that initially when you put high speed, riley, and particularly when you connecting up smaller cities, you cannot make benefit. so significant, the more you put in the less the benefits to date, the grades a why as you expand the network, it states the may, each of major connections really make a difference. so it's a, they take very,
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very, very expensive. um the u. k. a chest too high speed to link has been scaled back significantly. the costs have been involved. the big infrastructure projects often go over budget and, and in a sort of crowded um small, relatively small country. you end up upsetting a lot of people when you deliver that land and demolish that happens isn't that businesses? so it's not always easy. it's definitely a part of the solution, but it's not how you grow and of course, that sees to deal with as well. so you comp, replace ad travel and the problem with sustainable ad travel is that all of the solutions nobody is really offering much of the 2000 miles. and that's with hydrogen ad bossa working towards hydrogen by stack or off. but they're not really predicting much more than 2000 a month for our 2000 mile range. so that's not going to we're slice
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a lot of battery by stuff is a wooden set that heavy that's even show to range or low. you know, that's accelerating of the pace and batteries are rapidly becoming cheaper and better. but that wasn't compete with long grain jet travel in the foreseeable future. and bio fumes that have been grown to make coffee. so they have to replace 100 call them based feel was all controversial because they replace food trucks. so there is no easy solution here it's, it's a combination of, of lots of different approaches. john food and manufacturer of goods that need to be delivered quickly and efficiently. how do you see that business changing in, in the near future swimming pool and then we think about spray and the uh, the impact to a site on the april transport system and the international principle for him as a full cost is uh, between uh 2015 levels of freight and the expectation is that the freight task
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would triple by point 2057 is it. busy is challenge that, what was that house? i bought, facilities, fence for the freight sector. so in this big driving challenge in freight. and then we will say, how old are the contractual drivers of a freight things are driving movement. they were witnessing a major transformation of their right. so you consumption and how we can seeing things. and the retail models, how we find things that we received things, how we behave as consumers. and the trade is changing, but we get things from and to manufacturing as well, is changing with shifts and an economic price. and then don't lease the energy transition, which i mean, the energy products represent such a sense of a freight movement. and then that's going through a fundamental transition as well. so if we have this or not, we look at this kind of a task that's changing. most of the drive is changing, and those are what we got in phrase behind the fragmented sector, driven by a,
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by private companies. and there's always a kind of invisible network that people don't always spend most the time thinking about. there's a huge opportunity, i think, to step back and i'm thinking about how the, how to coordinate different ways of transport on how to make an investment decisions for the long time. but how do we do a cheap, reduce the carbon emissions as a freight transport april? i think so close freight movement is, is a big part of the, the, a variation industry coming back to, to, to what adrian was saying about, about the high speed rail. how much of a threat do airlines an airline company is a believe high speed? well to be, what's the future of the short whole and regional businesses? for example, this is definitely something that has the low cost deadlines idea lines to operate domestic flights. pay attention, the other ones that are being sensible about this, on not proceeding or, or looking at these train upgrade just as enemies as you know,
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the compact says that a time does the lot passages in the name of the climate, but raw the are establishing code share agreements with them deals with them. so for example, environment operates and based in paris and i know that you need to get this out the front. let me be sensible one full more relationship as an along with a trained operator. if i have the infrastructure that and the route companies ready to take my pass and just let them book on one ticket so that when they landed chargeable, i handed them over to the ralph rates. and now it sounds great in reality, doesn't waste, but i had to cancel my recently when the next available option was the following day. and the i'm, i'm was i took the word know, book me onto a route service that would have had me that that evening because they said they had no commercial relationship with them. and so they were waiting for my call them footprint to be far higher. spent the whole night there in the hotel, and so these costs in the end, i won that back to but it's kind of that representative of what happens across the why the ideas you ecosystem, i think boston for months, we need to see the type of sac sustainable aviation fuel increase on these shore
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coal flights because it's the shock of mine that are incredibly polluting. yes. if you were emissions and i don't know like, but we're flying them so much more. you know, the frequency is great. it's way cheaper to buy from london dimensions that then it is to get the train. and yet we know the difference in emissions. so if we had to take up a sigh and we would change, wouldn't be able to dekalb, an ice show who likes then it can only progress to the mitchel loan whole. the reason why we're not there, adrian is because nobody it wants to pay for it. and that's the number of it really, isn't it? i'd read all of this is expensive. i wonder if a the discretion of a i into transport systems will make this any cheaper a cost a i itself is not going to come cheap. is it? oh, and actually i have only a lot of pay online data centers is using quite a lot of n g. it's most of the energy intensive. um, but yeah, i mean planning
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a low carbon root. uh, this does already save and g, i mean, uh, you know, the last moment delivery is planned using a lot of technology to reduce the fuel pumps. and the most of the economic motivation is that you don't have to regulate that. um, you know, companies want to use as little fuel as possible and do things as quickly as possible. it's cheaper that way. but some, i think the biggest effect to buy on is a driver of unemployment sadly, but also getting rid of people. so we'll expect to see ships with um with may be fleets of ships with just one bridge crew on one ship and um, and multiple ships this uh, autonomously controlled. um, that'll still need people a boat look off to the engineering and,
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and make sure things are tied down because that something regular has to be done and, and all the duties. but you can reduce number of people on board. likewise, as we've already starting to see, dr. bayless calls, and we don't know when that's going to happen. i'm dr. bliss trucks, and once you have drive list trucks, so on the relatively large scale, you can adapt the infrastructure to suit them. so that means putting distribution centers next to the roads that really suit them, which is most why is highways making the distribution centers drive this truck friendly and then you can have automated loading and unloading. but of course, all of its automation, which is ending, has been increasing trend for many, many decades, leads to unemployment. and we need a cannot make solution to that, probably a guaranteed minimum income system. but to that we have to pay says the and we are that money at the moment. um. okay. but yeah, no carry on later. well,
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i was gonna say, um ally is going to be absolutely crucial to be called familiarizing. um, but the effect on is that re very unknown, for instance, if you have lots of electric drive list calls on the road and then it may be we're ready to go to the future where we don't need to own that route and calls that's less calls on the road, we have a point to point taxi whenever we need one o, we could be looking at a, a, a much worse state of affairs where everybody moves away from public transport. that's huge numbers of drive list calls on the road, clothing roads, where they could be on buses and trains. and um, and where, and it was state then we would before john ai is, is already making inroads into the business of logistics and move, moving goods around. how do you, how do you view the future with a i will what i'm coming back to. what alex was saying about us needing
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a much more integrated a system. how does not apply in terms of logistics, of, of moving goods around and, and things like customs and a regulatory supervision could, could that be automated through our i much more in the future. yeah. definitely, and the can, i mean, certainly the distribution centers, right. i mean, i just made some important points that are about and at some of the developments that we expect with, with, with information. so many distribution centers, customers regulate for environment. it's absolutely going to shape or technological advancements in the, in, in the future as the opportunity to, to reduce costs. i'm operational costs, i think as, as, as adrian said, that as a physical, as a consequence there, in terms of i, i jumped in the, in the economic impact ultimately as we step towards the future. and it will help with the, the co sign of the equation also really important the, the,
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the resilience of logistics. i'm afraid networks as well as, as we've already discussed, the scanner, the principal, the task is, is growing significantly. i think the opportunity is to step back and look at the role, but each move needs to play within, within the transport task, including freight so that we invest wisely in that, in each of the different nice because complementarity in terms of the, the task that best aging on and, and, and if we look at the extra cost i really, i think the real challenge is, is system who's going to invest and, and pay upfront for some of the infrastructure that we need to get moving in the right direction. alex, what role? well, i play in the future of the nation to distribute it's already playing a role in, in, in aviation now, but, but how much more integrated will it become a airlines seeing it as something of the future? are they willing to invest in it? yeah, absolutely. the investments are already underway and i is making its way
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a family to the heart of babylon, oppressions. it has immense rose to play when it comes to scheduling. russ, during fleet maintenance, planning, it's able to for see what needs to be, where when it's able to, to figure out in half a 2nd how to get this crew from that station. what does that cost is on the ground to here with us little impact on the fleet, and then passages and costs as possible is that they was do, we'll need equations that would typically take time and manpower very, very quickly. and that's something that is being used today along with i always roll on everything that is kind of customer facing. and the, you know, shit, number of people at any one time calling to ask about a luggage allowance or to find a little bag. and that's what i always really shining in these kind of areas. i was recently with a group of that like ceos in humbug level, we're looking at different solutions that are based in terms of you know, the promise of never losing your life that you get knowing exactly why you're buy
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visit every single phase of the journey of being able to empower past and just that way to the colonize through purchasing, just any way. the action view through systems that are fully integrated with ad hoc knowing exactly who to offer it to, to and lead to the privilege of the uh, platinum tier of the line. loyalty seems to agree to those that i'm more conscious about that footprint perhaps. yeah, probably so it's definitely that. okay, alex almost all the time. but one last question to to you to what extent of the future do you think the one i'm not just talking about aviation here, but to what extent as the future of the long. so those are the deepest pockets in terms of transportation. and i think we are seeing a trend united, the shows that luckily the travel continues to remain affordable and will continue to remain affordable as more market kind of come on line into the aviation effects that we've done here. we know how sophisticated it is across asia, southeast asia,
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the americans and so on. i, for kind of the countries that make up the constant really need that she wants to grow. and that's why the sustainable options must be that for those that have already polluted enough to be carbonized, but to enable the growth needs connectivity across concepts like africa. that really does that connectivity. because ultimately, i guess this project keeps the ground in record numbers on a constant with the a was young us population for cost it over the next 10 to 15 years. gentleman's that we must have that manufacturing day for being with us on today's edition of counting the cost. thank you. that's all show for this week. if you'd like to comments on anything that you've seen, i'm at a fairly good on x. try to remember to use the hash tag h a c t c, or you could drop us a line counting the cost of l just 0. don't met is i'll email address as always, best plan table for you online at elder 0 adult. com slash ctc, that takes you straight to a page that you'll find individual reports,
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