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the, we're running out of time, a mazda, thanks very much for that. ma, y'all. yeah. director of the carnegie middle east center on the ground in garza is really forces have withdrawn from east and called eunice 9 days off to the renewed assault on the southern city. what they left behind looks more like a wasteland and a neighborhood. so we'll defense teams say they've recovered 300 bodies since the offensive began. dozens of people, i'm missing an estimated 190000 people were displaced by the military action. even though there's nothing left to their homes, palestinians are returning to the area because they say there's no what else to go? you want me to stay outside of the day of the invasion. i swear to god. we couldn't even take a t shirt with us. these are the clothes that i left with, and i'm still wearing them now. i would tend to funds destruction no tent, no house, nothing left in the attempt that we had. we have no money to replace that to him.
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as you can see, there was no team on this was my last shelter. some of the things we were able to take from the house of now being lost. now i, my wife, my son, and my brother's a homeless. the situation is bad. we have collapse physically, and psychologically, it's a decision to go to war or peace was an a hands. you would choose peace, but ever. i cannot describe the greek split that is inside us. and now the news, the city's armies agreed to participate, and us led to police folks in geneva aimed at the ending the conflict that devastated the country. since april of last year. the on forces still insist as rival, the power of military rapids support forces was 1st implemented measures a great and a deal signed, and saudi arabia lost ya. as in venezuela, thousands of people have taken to the streets of colorado, so choosing nickel, i'm a doodle. all stealing sundays presidential election demonstrate to say they were skeptical of my daughter's declared victory. the opposition is called on protest is to be peaceful. it says it has proof. its presidential candidates,
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edmondo gonzales, one the election was moving 70 percent of the vote. at least 6 people have died, an anti government protest and an opposition need has reportedly been arrested. venezuela's defense ministers, expressed absolute loyalty to my daughter a moment. the black. this is a moment for us to show our loyalty to venezuela and its institutions. i call on all political factions, especially the opposition, which has done so much damage to venezuela, who i call on it to accept our democratic and constitutional policies. so we can honor the vin as well, and people who are asking for understanding the cooperation and dialog. the bottom line is up next. maybe his son goes head to head with his really historians that he morris. the jews
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were on the 5th of annihilation by the arabs, and that's my view legitimize justified cleansing arabs from palestine. the hutus that exactly the same thing about maybe food in 1990 israel has committed a numerous war crimes since the hospital fans on october. the 2nd, i'm fairly sure that'd be the rough time. the toward itself is not a well time head to head on out to 0. hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question with americans more divided than ever and facing an election where they choose between the least bad option. or we watching the end of the american era. let's get to the bottom line. the after he was elected 4 years ago, us president joe biden flew around the world. declaring america is back. but is it in this election year? americans are debating the gap between the haves and have nots. they're debating, immigration book, benz guns, abortion. freedom of speech, gaza ukraine,
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you name it and it's becoming less of an open minded debate. and more of a u. f. c. cage fight where each side considers the other side. the enemy. couple all that with the far right populism that's on the march on both sides of the atlantic ocean. and it makes the world wonder where america is going. today we're taking a deeper look at america with one of the continents leading thinkers, wayne davis, professor of anthropology at the university of british columbia, and canada, and author of dozens of books, most recently beneath the surface of things, weight. thank you so much for joining us. um i would say i, i really enjoyed. um are very, very depressing. discussion years ago i it was during the era of cove it and you wrote a powerful rolling stone article called the unraveling of america. i love to kind of pick which stock with you on whether you think america is still unraveling or whether we put an equilibrium or what you think the big equities of this moment are
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. you know, i hear you. it's a really excellent question, steve. you know, that essay that i wrote as you said, the very low point of the lock down. i was about an indictment of america. if anything was an intervention, you know, when people that you love, you need to be encouraged to see themselves in the mirror to see how far they fall and if you will. and that's an active love, you know, i mean corey booker themes and said, you know, if, if america hasn't broken your heart, you don't love her enough. and i think that i say, got some things right. and some things wrong written in the heat of the moment. i mean, for example, who could have guessed that science would come up with a new class of vaccines in a matter of months when previously the fastest vaccine in 4 years as if almost to a firm. they kind of those a spirit of american exceptionalism, that the se, fundamentally calls into question. but, but that is a really try to do is just remind americans of, in a sense what it become,
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of their country, you know, from the, the nation that literally let our way back to civilization from the dark as possible. era of world war 2 with amazing, extraordinary, almost unbelievable industrial might, and diversity to a country that, you know, suddenly, headphones to the point where, where, you know, it is caught it rank low in terms of press freedom. it had enormous economic in equity that there was a kind of a fundamental challenge, the very idea of american it. and at the time of the um, pandemic, it was, as it was, it was performing very, very badly and with the prospect of a trump presidency on the horizon. things did not look very good now. in an incredible way. we stumbled forward, but we find ourselves nevertheless,
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on the edge of yet another kind of of this, if you will, i don't mean to be pessimistic, but you know, it's interesting. think backs the bianco. um to the 1990 is when, you know, the berlin wall fell in the soviet block, finally shattered. and then we seemed to be on the, the edge of a new kind of a era of, of peace and tranquility and stability. and it's hard to imagine how the events in the week of 911, i stumbled one upon the other to find us where we are today with, you know, a talk or see on the rise. and i kind of unholy alliance of, of, uh, uh, to, to north korea. and she really threatening the very idea of, of democracy and the same time within the united states. this is kind of crazy election between 2 men who really auto of stepped off the stage
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a long time ago and it, it, it doesn't really bode well. and one of the pieces that i, i, one of the comments i made in the site was that you know, and tires are born to fall and they never anticipate their own demise. uh, you know, the 15th century belonging to the portuguese, the 16th, the spanish, the 17th, to the dash, the 18th to the french to 19th to the british and the british empire reached its greatest extent, geographically. as late as 1935. yet, of course, we know that was even before the great war, but certainly in the wake of world war one, it was black and white and bankrupt. so clearly the 20th century belonged to america. and the question is, who's going to rule in the next? who's going to rank where in the next century and, and the signs of decay or decadence, can be found all over the, under the american social and political landscape. and this,
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this is the discouraging thing. when you talk about these 2 older guys, donald trump, and joseph biden, you know, when, when most of the united states has to be cleared, did not want the race of either of these 2 people again. but you've none, the less have them have. we become a kind of and we become sylvia task in this moment. well, certainly in terms of the geometry, geriatric nature of our leaders. i mean, um, uh, you know, what is life but a story we lose the power of comprehending is we get old and one of the acts of grace in getting older. and i hate to say, but i guess i am speaking from experience at this point. just turn 70 know is a get off the stage, right. you know, and let the new generation of work things out. you know, i, i, i find that really unfortunate that in the great country like the united states,
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it says something i think about the calcified nature of the, of both political parties and the illogical extreme is that both parties embrace, you know, we, we talk often about the, originally, the ology of the american right. but of course, the american left is, is equally adherent to the extremes. use it. i don't think most americans hold and so, you know, there is no place in the middle. is there something paper that needs to happen to basically get americans to trust this system? right now? it's a 0 sum game and they talk about each other in the most awful terms. this is not a side where one will respect the rights of the other. if the other wins in, in my sense, no, i, i think you're absolutely right. and i think this is what is ultimately most corrosive the but the moment that we're in and, you know, my, my father in law was
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a homeless us presidents. he was a senator from illinois for many, many years, a highly respected uh republican who worked across the aisle all the time. senator charles percy and if he was able to be alive today and see the state of the us congress. i just don't think you'd be able to believe his, his eyes and it certainly would break his heart. but, you know, did he ology is a very dangerous thing. what it, he always you'd be at from the right. the last or the religious extremes. after all, what is 80 ology idiology? it's words it gets bantered around a bunch, but it basically means that you buy into a set of ideas. you know, you, you, you become almost religiously, politically attached to a body of thinking and, and that body of thinking becomes kind of calcified in your head. and, and anyone who does not agree with you, not only becomes your antagonists,
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but they also by their very existence, written your identity because they challenge the fundamental set of ideas. be those political or religious by which you find comfort or you find a consistency you find solidity in your life. and once you identify those who are in opposition to your set of ideas, you're going to do something about them. and so 1st of all, you demonize and then 1st that and secondly, you go after the sources of their ideas, it may be different from yours. and if they're found in books, you burn the books as we discovered in the 1930s. once you begin to burn books, it's a short step to burn in people. and so what we're really seen in the united states is a clash of violent, extreme idiology is that are, are kind of being masked as if they're not as extreme as they in fact are. and,
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and it's because of that, that the polarization runs so deep in defiance of all that is in the american spirit and tradition. i mean, i remember steve as a young lad going to united states for uh, for college, you know, and our family was so simple. my parents couldn't fly down to boston with me. and so i flew down and, and got to logan airport. and i didn't even know where a harvard was and i asked around and no one seemed to know either. and i finally dragged my trunk through the subway system. got up in harvard square and realized my mother made a mistake and shoot me down to the states 10 days early. the dorms were in open. i had to drag my truck the age of 16 to the streets of cambridge until i found a church. i knocked in door, an american pastor took me in and put me up for 10 days. i mean, that's america, that's the america. i know, you know. and, um i, i think it's then america's been betrayed by the vitriol and the hatred of india.
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logs of both left and right. i just mean interested in whether we have a fundamental problem where democracies failure to deliver for a substantial portion of, of a public's is now the rock that is part of this political economy globally that we have to deal with. well, it certainly in, in terms of the united states, you know, that the generation of my, my father in law, you know, they have the common experience of, of fighting a global war together. and they came out, is that a, a kind of a united force? i'm was not just politically and economically, but even almost spiritually. and in the wake of that war, of course, was much the world in ashes of the american economy was virtually dominated the entire globe. i mean, half the world economy was based united states, even though the states have had less than 5 percent of the global population. and that wealth within the united states allowed for
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a kind of a contract between labor and capital. they gave us the middle class. it gave us a weekend and gave us a, a society where a working man could support a family by a car, by a house and his kids to good public schools. and, and, and, and the gap between those who hadn't those who have not was nothing like it is today. i mean, the, the, the, when my father in law, for example, was a ceo, dell and how his salary would have been perhaps 20 times. that of one of one of his, subordinates in white color offices of bell and how it looked today. the gap between a ceo and such an individual would be more like $400.00 times, you know, to the 3 rich just americans control more. well then, the 160000000 forest americans and so what you've seen is that social contract that came out of the era. and there that gave us confidence in our institutions
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and the conflicts been broken. and at the same time, we've had generations of politicians, particularly the republican party united states and running against washington. i mean, i always found it serious at 1st nixon and then classically ronald reagan chose to kind of demonize washington because i lived in washington for 20 years. and i would walk through those memorial gardens and those great monuments with the words of lincoln and jefferson inscribed in limestone. and i would feel a chill at the promise of the american dream. and you know, dream of democracy that was invented made up by individuals. you know, the famous words of, of jefferson. i swear upon the altar of all mighty god decided against all forms of tyranny over the minds of man. and that kind of dream is america was my mind. dream
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is america. so i could never get how these politicians could get away with demonizing washington incense, but for their own political gain. it seemed to me almost kind of like an act of treason if you will. and you know, we've been doing that for year, year in year out. and so, so the government in general has its reputation and in our faith and the ability of government to, to improve our lives. remember ronald reagan's fame is crypt. uh, you know, the most dangerous worlds words in english language are the government's coming to help you? well, that's not really. that's not really true. i mean, the governments have done a lot good. um, so what's going on, at least in the states, it seems that the fundamental institutions are being called into question minutes, that you can only call the u. s. congress at this point a laughingstock. i mean, you can go up and down the republican leadership and the higher people are in the
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leadership. and the less legislation they've ever proposed or managed to get past. i mean it's, it's become a, a soapbox for, for, for, for personal aggrandizement as opposed to a place where you went to do the hard work of government in and get laws passed to help the american people. how can a divided deeply toxic american political system continue to support and america it's engaged in the world? i mean, it doesn't that sort of basic things or bell out there, no matter who wins america is going to receive as well. i think, i think you're right and, and i think what's really going on here, let's, let's remember on the eve of world war 2, america was a demilitarized society of bulgaria. and portugal had bigger armies in the united states and 1940 in the wake of the war. we never stood down. and to this day
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we have troops in a 150 countries. um and, and we, we've, we've, we've become the policeman of the world. you know, in the since 1975 america has never been at piece, china has never been a war every year. china was pouring more. smith and america didn't the 20th century as they built their infrastructure well, whereas we squandered resources on wars that not only proved to be enormously murderous and bloody for the people who suffered but also incredibly de debilitating. for the, the american people, the american government. and we had had a president in the wake of 911 who had stood on those ruins and said, look, we're going to find these people. we're going to avenge the losses. we're going to come for our dead. but we're not gonna let these people pro solve our game. then history would have been very, very different. but the, the, the,
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in the same way that the israelis in a sense had no choice but to take a mouse as bait in the terrible tragedy in garza, similar to the latin must have calculated or at least anticipated that america would do just what it did. and in doing so, it, it, it, it betrayed so much the lies about iraq, the invasion of afghanistan against all the evidence of history that it would be a debacle. and as a result of those who were asked to bear the brunt of those pointless wars, wars which were revealed to be pointless even faster than vietnam was revealed in a sense to be pointless in, in comparison, i mean, vietnam at least we can look back and understand that within the context of the cold war, where there really was a, a global, a conflict that could have exploded into a nuclear war,
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but iraq and afghanistan. and um, i think i can imagined as anyone who would agree with the possible exception of dick cheney or something like that. these were useful and helpful either to united states of america, its allies or to the poor victims of the conflict in iraq and afghanistan. so, so, you know, you can see how those who are sent to fight those wars who's come back to the consequences of that and gauge meant for working people all over america. so you can see why they've turned their back both on washington, but also on a new adventure such as ukraine, right? you know, what, i'm, what are the things we do forget about ukraine and this is not true in any way. i'm a condone. what put is done, but remember that the, the deal that was struck with the garbage of, um, uh, by the,
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by bush was that nature would not expand east in exchange for the, the, essentially the, this, the surrender if you will, of the soviet block in the way in the, in the cold work and, you know, it would have been one thing of the economic union as because as a financial force of trade force, had moved east into the baltic states and, and the carcasses and so on. but nato was a military organization, you know, assembled specifically to combat the soviet union, which effectively meant batting, where it is now russia. and so the prospect of the, the ukraine, which was already a sore point for the russians because in their own kind of imperial visions that continue, well through the soviet era, the ukraine was always seemed to be a part of russia. right? whether should have been or not. and so we can forget that the, the,
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the movement of nato east was in violation of that agreement and, and clearly a finger in the eye of the, of the kremlin. it's been your new book weighed beneath the surface of things you spend time in jerusalem and you dedicate a chapter to talking about jerusalem and palestine and, and the situation. but as you think about, you know, beneath the surface of things and, and the equities that you saw it play in jerusalem and, and, and with palestine in that very complicated part of the world. i'd love to love to hear your thoughts. well that is a which i, i called the promise land and that was written well before october 7th and, you know, i was going to jerusalem for the, with a group of, of, of, of americans. and i, i knew that the whole topic of obviously the, the conflict would be on everybody's mind all the time. so i wrote that really as
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a kind of way to try to make sense of it myself. that as a just simply attempts to, to tell what we know is the historic truth, which is that the, the, the diaspora, these rarely of, of the jewish people into is real, you know, beginning before the great war, but certainly reaching a peak in the 19 thirty's and of 19 forties absolutely displaced the power steering people to, to the point where in, in this kind of cruel irony of history, the palestinians have become what design is once we're a broken people, a without a homeland. um, you know, with deep memories and recent memories of the displacement and perfectly willing to wait as the jewish people did 1900 years for justice to be done. and so in a way what the say tries to do is just expose some of the,
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the miss that be as absorbed in, in, um, american particular the kind of the, the, you know, the, the kind of the exit exit is infused idea that the, the people who settled the jewish people settled, did so in a sort of an empty homeland or homeland has been laid waste by negligence, by the, you know, previous inhabitants simply not the case of course. um, but again, you know, it anticipated the, the, the fact that this conflict is, is not going to end on. and there's a lovely quote or moving quote from an airbus scholar who says that, you know, we're always as to why we continue to be so belligerent and is real exist and, and these early people have nowhere else to go. and he said that may be true,
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but to just roll over is to say that it was ok for people to come in and, and displace our parents from our land and the, to raise any issues or even to point out that that is the historic fact that nobody can deny is somehow to be labeled either belligerent for even as a terrorist you know. and so it the, the, the, the say late in a way that laid the basis for what we see is going on in the terrible situation and gaza will have to leave it there. i really appreciate your time, social anthropologist wade davis. thank you so much for being with us today. it's always pleasure to be be with you, steve. thanks. so what's the bottom line? during the cold war, the intense competition between the soviet block and the american block kind of ironically, kept the u. s. on it shows sure it came out on top. but today, just 30 years later, america is struggling to stay there. the post cold war era is definitely over. if
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we were to name the error that we're entering now, i'd call it the great mess america, receiving china sort of rising lots of power voids lots of conflicts between nations and within nations. my guest is right, the world is rearranging itself as we speak. that's how to look at america as it braces for the people's decision here in november. and that's the bottom line. the desperate for rule out of stadiums. q, that vista diesel, a nation to on a freight they even if you buy cold water from outside, it would cost you $5.00 or 6 chuckles. i don't have enough money. even the water we drink here is not properly filtered before the war. this punch provides, it's 20000000 liters of a fresh water a free day, around 250000 people. now,
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the facility can produce just 15 percent of the original outputs of to the use, but only destroyed power links to the prompt. it has been forced to run a backup generators using fuel, which is radically running out how to study in west coast and cool with the nation, with these very forces on now attempting to connect an external power line to the electricity supply is restored. the problem for once again, be able to run a full capacity for these palestinians. it will provide at least some really this is the 1st when they saw that we see the real time. it's the victims themselves. there's a disconnect between what we are witnessing on social media versus what we're seeing on mainstream. it is always an attempt to frame a true side of them, but there is no 2 sides to this. the western media does have a western bias who understand what they are looking to see out and raise. the
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listening post covers how the news is covered, the safe, the mean comment as an international inside corruption, excellence award, denominator hero. now, as china ramps up to full patients of north korean, defective human rights group, say they faced imprisonment, torture,
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and even death in the country. in desperation, some involve dangerous journey. 101 east reveals the north korea's claim to factors on al jazeera. the israel launch is a striking liber most capital they root. israel says it's targeted his will, a come on the following a deadly attack on the occupied golden heights. 7 on the foreign minister says he'll lodge a complaint with the united nations. a mouse has condemned the attack. the white house is it's working for a diplomatic solution. the .

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