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but by dangling the possibility of resumes he's fired talks and gaza has to be us, neutralize the possibility of an iranian response. and we'll have mos iran, and it runs allies in the middle east. decide that it's better to keep their enemies guessing about their next move, while d linking retaliation against israel, from the latest american effort on gaza. today we're talking with treat a policy executive vice president at the quincy institute for responsible state crap and author of treacherous alliance. the secret dealings of israel iran and the united states. treat a thank you so much for joining us on as long as they how tense time is this right now when we've had assassinations of a, the former prime minister of palestine inside iran, the killing of a significant has block commander. how fragile is this moment in the middle east? as you know, we've had a lot of fragile moments in just the last couple of years and plenty of very,
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very risky situations. but this, i think, is the most fragile, the most difficult. one that i can think of for at least the last 15 or so years when these ran these shoes to assassinate the political leader ramos, into ron only hours after they assassinated that as well, i'll come down there and there was waiting to see what the as well, as response was but, and even before his point, i managed to respond. these really struck again except a clear message in my view, which is that these relays were quite willing to risk escalation and perhaps even desire it. and the question now of course is what the response will be from yvonne hezbollah and other actors in the region where you said that i know you've written in time magazine, but you just said it again that maybe the is really, is do not want a more stable situation, perhaps this was by done by design. this was done right after the inauguration of
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your wants, new president. what do you do? what does the united states do if it has a partner in israel, who is very, very focused on there being a wider, more, a well defined assertion itself is that time in unscripted moments as admitted that they do understand that nothing the allies of political interests of prolonging and expounding the war, because as i'm sure it's been covered on your show several times, etc far the, it will likely collapse. that's an yahoo! who's coalition governments? once he is out of government, no longer prime minister is immunity, is gone, and he will be charged for corruption and he will likely end up in jail. so he has a clear personal interest in expounding and continuing the war. the question then is, of course, as you put a, what does the united states do with bite? it shouldn't do what he has been to. what he has been doing is essentially show maximum deference to its m. yahoo! even though he understands, and that's in you all's interest is quite clearly different from that of the united
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states. us interest very clearly is not in favor of a further escalation in the region. certainly not a war in the region that could drag united states into it. the question is, of course, then at what point went by then show the backbone to actually use the leverage that the united states does have. but he has chosen not to use us far to actually press these really to back off, which is of course arms shipments to is or without. those are ship arms shipments. these readings would not be able to continue to work according to one is randy general. they would have to have more within 5 days of united states stop providing the ammunition and additional lessons. i'm interested in this political equation of so called leverage that we see in the united states unwilling to use. why do you think that is? i think bided made a very strategically solid calculation from the outset when he'd be or how that's in yahoo locked himself to netanyahu's strategy,
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presuming that nothing to our would show a degree of reasonable mass. and presuming that by showing this degree of support of israel, he would actually gain support within is really society which would then make it more difficult and costly for nothing. yahoo to oppose biden, or to act against biden's wishes, which is a completely flawed calculation. instead, it has led to a situation which by the end it's cuz tenuously reacting to nothing, you know, and that's, and you always in the lead all the time. let me also mention why i think it's strategy that bite and shows has actually fueled escalation in the region in and of itself. if you're sitting into raleigh right now, your key objective is to prevent these ratings from doing this. again, you want to establish some sort of good terms. they're not looking at for, for a full scale war. if they were, they have plenty of opportunities to start as they have refrain from doing so. even
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the strikes in april were very clearly designed, not to lead to a large reward. now, how do you then stop these riley's from being able to do this again? well, either you have the united states, restrain israel, and prevented from doing so again, given to leverage the us has already, ronnie is going to have to rely on the terrorist which in and of itself is extremely risky and can cause a broader more with bite and having shown off for 10 months that he is unwilling to restrain israel. this leaves the volumes down, but only one option left, which is figure out how they can restore deterrence. how they can strike back without causing award. if there had been clear evidence that bite and actually is willing to restrain as well, i think the calculation on the vanya side would be quite different. now, there are some efforts going on right now for a last ditch effort. for a ceasefire. there is a certain likelihood that the wrong, as will refrain from retaliating if there is
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a ceasefire. but all of this could have been much, much easier, not easy, but much easier if it was a factor in this equation. which wise? yes, the united states actually is a responsible actor and can restrain as well when is work clearly is acting in ways that r s good. that's why some people are beginning to say, maybe your want, as you've just said, doesn't wonderful on work, but does it run the risk of looking like a paper tiger to its allies that it's not delivering to it's proxies in allies by appearing week when compared to israel, i think this is an absolutely crucial factor in turnarounds, calculations when you take a look at the conduct of some of its partners in the actions of resistance, as they call themselves. i know it's been clear for the last 10 months. there's a lot of complaints many of them public key by them, particularly of who it is, but also iraq yesterday and malicious. who believe that the ron has been a showing too much restrained itself. they did not believe in this strategy or
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a strategic patients. and at the same time, have been complaining publicly about a round restraining them and putting pressure on them, not to for instance, strike of us spaces. we had one moment in which a spokesperson for the who t's laughed at the question that the, which is where a proxy yvonne and said, i can guarantee you if you wrong, if, if, if you're on was calling the shots, if you're wrong, wasn't calling the shots on these different things, if we just want to do exactly what they wanted to, uh, they would not be inside of the situation. numbers, difficulties would not be firing at israel, who these are firing at agile and it's against everyone's wishes. now that strategy, nevertheless, have had, had some benefits for the audience and they haven't rated what they really don't seem to want, which is a direct confrontation with the us. but if it leads to a situation in which they are now questioning whether and yvonne actually is
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a reliable partner for them, i mean the assassination is, have on sends a signal that any of these individuals can be assassinated anywhere, including in 10 gone. and that's around cannot protect them if that stands that will significantly weak any bonds position. so the one is a very concerned about that scenario, of course. but on the other hand, it direct confrontation with the united states. that is a suicide omission for the ron is i'm we've seen for the last 2030 years that they walked a very tight rope there and i have avoided the direct consultation with us. but the fact that they have to be able to show something, i think, also points to the fact that any effort by dividing registration, by just simply moving troops, they are sending signals to the vanya is that they will pay a heavy military price if they actually strike back, it is really in a very significant way, is not sufficient. if you want the ronnie as to not retaliate for this, there has to be more than additional threats. there also has to be some sort of an
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exits for the wrong in some sort of a way. if different, for instance, is a c, sorry, and gauze that combined with a ceasefire on the lebanese is really border and perhaps something of something they can point to as this is a strategic when and as a result, iran is not going over time yet. but if there is no such thing on the table, and it's just more additional fetched from the united states, then i fear that the balance of the debate into that wrong will be that the wrong is actually better off, never the less retaliating. because otherwise, it will be so weak in the region and in front of its partners that it will lose even more leverage. do you think there is a risk venue, ron could lose control over the actions of some of its proxies in syria and lebanon in yemen? that there disaffection with iran, if it doesn't take these steps, could lead to an increase in this conflict because they just decide that they are going to take action if it wrong doesn't as well. take a look at the assassination of select money. what's the name? bonnie: not only because of the position that you are on have,
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but also because of his persona has far greater discipline. amongst many of these different militias, some of that or a significant amount of that was actually lost to that assassination. if you now have a situation in which the vanya then not responding, these really is continue to slaughter, causes us occasionally, does target these militias. eventually you have a scenario in which, in that case they may start acting more independently and disregard the wrongs advice. you also have another scenario in which you're actually is a major confrontation between yvonne has pointed out. some of these militias in israel, the united states steps into that more. and then any efforts for de escalation will end up becoming much more complicated because it's not just about a yvonne or hezbollah. it's about all of these other groups. also a binding binders and very you may end up in a scenario on which some of them will choose to continue because they have their own interest. many of these evolve payment issues are doing this because of their
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sense of revenge against united states, where the us has invasion of iraq, which is quite different, of course, from yvonne's motivations. so they caught the equation is getting more complicated because of the fact that you have more actors in the equation. but also because this narrative, that tends to view all of them as just proxies of iran, which is a narrative that is very strong and washington is not entirely true in the 1st place, but it will become even less true if this situation escalates. i'm interested in this moment to, from a, how much profile? why would it just immediately tip into what joe biden wants, which is a deal? what, what are her mazda is incentives and disincentives in this moment, on her mazda one of the deal? very early on. and it's, it's by then have that it has become, uh, you know, arrived at that position. somewhat late. remember, in the united states by them wouldn't even use the word cx, 5 for the 1st 2 or 3 months. the mazda offered a ceasefire or a couple of days after october 7. i understand that lee at that time these readings
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were not interested in it, but then there of course been plenty of other opportunities in which that then you always deliberately sabotaged those thoughts. but the broader just of your question is absolutely right after having killed the actual negotiator. i mean, if there ever was any question as to whether that somehow was interested in a deal having killed the negotiator of the other side should settled that debate. and we should move on it when he comes to uh, uh, debates about that time. yeah. i was intentions. tell us what you know about my suited possession and the new president of your ron and what he wants. maybe not just what he wants. what can he get? he's publicly said you wrote about this, that he believes that better relations or more relax tensions with united states or vital to a ron's economy. has that all just been blown up as well. i've seen it, and y'all was hoping to close the window that had been created surprisingly with possess, sky on election as you know, and it's, i'm yahoo in israel as a whole and have opposed us the wrong diplomacy since the mid 19 ninety's. and
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that's the only way of self has made it costs the left for him is personified. the idea of staffing us the wrong diplomatic engagement that leads to a nuclear deal. and he's taking credit for having the nuclear deal by convincing trump to withdraw from it. so seeing that suddenly, quite unexpectedly, there was now in an window for renewed yvonne, us diplomacy because of his etzky honest election. victor, i think for something that the time you all so as express and realize that if he did something like this very, very intent, ron itself, on the day of is an alteration that it would make it all the more difficult for position the on to be able to get to that level of sustain diplomacy that is needed to actually resolve not only the nuclear issue, but some other points of the tensions between the vaughn and the united states. and in that, at least in the short term, he has succeeded. whether he will succeed in the medium in the long term of course,
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depends on what happens next in my position and made it very clear in his election campaign. that's the economic issue. economic role was of the wrong is a foreign policy issue. that sanctions that the us as imposing yvonne are necessary for yvonne's economy to be able to function the strategy that the volumes have been pursuing for the last couple of years after they concluded that the united states is incapable and unwilling to offer, sustains sanctions. relief is that they stop looking for sanctions relief and instead shift it towards sanctions. neutralization meaning that the intensified trade with neighboring states in non us dollars. and as a result sought to have a trade that was protected from us sanctions. while that is important from their standpoint and position is not abandoning that approach, he wants to see it complimented, with some sanctions relief that allows yvonne to be a recipient of international investments which it is in dire need of. but that
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cannot happen unless there is a, please, some sort of an agreement between the united states in the wrong and his entire presidency may crash over this issue. treat it. i don't know whether you have good inroads into what the average iranian citizen is feeling at this moment. are they comfortable with being members of the access of resistance and leading that? are they comfortable and do they want to see a strike back? it is real. do they have other objectives that might be closer to what possess key on one? it didn't set out at the beginning how. how do you feel like the average you're running is feeling in this moment? it, well, the issue is that there is no such thing as an average you wrong, and this is a society that is quite divided on along these lines. you definitely have a segment of society that leaves that what is happening between israel and palestine in general. perhaps the reviews have changed a little bit mindful of the genocide going not. but in general, they tend to be sympathetic to the palestinians quite overwhelmingly. but don't
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believe that that is yvonne's bites to engage in and are quite critical of their perception of how much money you bond is spending on some of these different groups . and i, and don't see this access of something to be proud of. but you have another segment of society as well that feel quite strongly about these issues, whether it's because of religious issues, where i get logical reasons, but also a very clear segment of society that perhaps transcends each part of that. also understand that you're on a, as in a neighborhood famously, that is quite tough. they see in america that is very hostile. yes, the ron is hostile to the united states as well. but there's a very important data points here. e, ron bid signs a jp away, yvonne agreed and lives up to the von new studio. the united states was the party that we drew from it. and i think that's ok, huge hole in the idea that all of this enmity is just simply because of the
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radicalism of the united states, of the stomach for public. that certainly is a factor. but you also have another factor which is that still a need towards yvonne tends to be politically attracted for politicians in the united states. obama proved themselves to be a major exception. and on top of that, you also saw things such as when ices emerge in which he runs investment and some of these groups prove fruitful in the feeding ices and after ice a short such a strong anti. she sent to mentioned it and killed such a large number of she has a lot of people inside of your own. also recognized that they would be coming again steve on at some point, had it not been free of on developing these relations with these different travel groups and being able to stop ices before you can reach the barnes and borders. there's a complicated picture in the sense that it is not as simplistic as the narrative in washington is english. these are just radical groups and it's completely unnecessary for you all have any involvement of support for them. now we've got
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a democratic national convention coming up in chicago, shortly after the resumption of cease fire talks. and i'm interested in the timing . how important an equity is it to carmella harris, vice president. i'd say it's running for president press the united states to demonstrate a, a progress in defusing, this war and conflict, and also beginning to focus on the plight of god since we've been dislodged and so many killed in this conflict. and i think it's absolutely crucial. now of course, she is not in charge of policy at this point. there's only one president at a time, but this is, of course, a very unusual situation by them did not resign voluntarily. it's quite clear that you have to be trust immensely before he eventually yielded. so i am so sure that there's quite a lot of disarray intentions in the white house right now. exactly where to balance on the policy should be from harris's standpoint, it is crucial to be able to show some degree of progress. because if she is faced
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with the same situation as by the name terms of just continuing to bite them policy, but just sprinkling nicer words and tone and rhetoric around that that may work for a week or 2. but it's, there's clear signs already that it's not working long enough. people want to see a policy change and the on committed movement that have proven crucial in certain states. particularly michigan are not going to become a re committed just because of a tone and rhetorical change. they will require policy shifts. and while it's difficult for her as perhaps to make too strong promises on that ground, if she can point to progress that is happening right now. and perhaps even takes like credit for it, that i think can go a very long way of injecting, that type of confidence that isn't needed for a lot of those voters to come back to her. and i think would be a huge mistake from her and to calculate that she has just generated so much energy
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in the campaign right. time she has that is sufficient and she doesn't need some of these communities. she definitely does need, in particular, in certain states and beyond that, it's actually also good for herself because she does not want to enter the white house in case she went with this crisis still in an escalate story stage. do you think they're in a box tree to with, with prime minister netanyahu of israel, in the sense that at if there was a shift away from him at some point to a different government, whether it's headed by benny gas or others, has their alliance and their steadfast support of israel's actions as far locked them in internet and yahoo has crafted side, created an inability to shift. yeah, absolutely. i think essentially biden deliberately willingly locked himself connecting y'all in an extremely unwise manner given that's on the i was track
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record and he saw what nothing you all would did to biden's former boss obama. so to extend that degree of trust and that's a now just because you have seems to see what is well after october 7th, is just strategically in comprehensible and now he's paying the price for it and america's paying the price for that. now of course, the policy is paying the price for it, and so perhaps the rest of the region will as well if that's and you all continues to get his way. paris needs to unlock herself from that time. yeah. but also unlock herself from this broader approach towards israel, which is that there is this knee jerk dead friends and then same king and decision making afterwards. that is not gonna work because as well as right now, the country be partner of the united states. that as a most likely to drag the united states into another war in the middle east. and what everyone thinks about the politics of israel in washington, and whether it's changed marshal whether it hasn't changed. what has changed on
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both the republican in the democratic side is that if you are a president that allows the united states to get dragged in to another war in the middle east, then you will lose your next election. right? well, we'll have to leave it there. thank you so much. treat a policy executive vice president the quincy institute for responsible state craft . thank you so much for being with us. a good. so what's the bottom line? decades ago, iran might have accepted a deal with the us that allows it to conduct nuclear energy research and development with severely constrain centrifuge construction and a lot of the land weapons inspections. but now things have changed. relations between the us are on a hot summer. the us and it's europe, and now i've had put it runs nuclear program in a box, and then donald trump ripped open that box. today, iran is more powerful and it is scaled up. it's due for the renovations. nobody can turn back the clock. all of the conflicts in the region, all of them are growing. there's no way the arc of instability that's been rising
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