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as an existential one for his country. since october is where the forces have code, at least 40000 people, most of them civilians, hospitals, schools, and shelters have been bombed repeatedly with a huge loss of life. once a being for the international criminal court, for the rest of nothing, you know, who has defense minister on challenges of crimes against humanity and blue crimes and gaza. critics of the wall such as un special revel to francesca albanese and the international court of justice itself have been accused by israel of anti submitting bias throughout the war. as in the pos, as well, steadfast west and allies notion because they us say they support for means i'm clad and continue to supply of money and intelligence to balance. as well as a narrative of self defense helped to sustain a cycle of violence seemingly without and. and while incidents of anti semitism in the west are indeed reported to be on the rise, just a frequent labeling of as well as political opponents as anti semitic play

a role and how is role justifies its military action. we'll be discussing these issues with, i guess shortly, but 1st this report from the image and come to the war on goals. a skilled nearly $40000.00 civilians in 10 months and flattened large areas of the strip. israel's government says it self defense. israel's commitment to international law is on wavering a equally unwavering is our sacred commitment to continue to defend our country and defend our people. like every country. israel has an inherent right to defend itself and to split and us and you know, he's government being accused of war crimes and collective punishment. it's possible allies agree are committed to his real security is iron clad. so we will continue to defend israel against attacks from terrace groups with their sponsors would be a problem one on file. we have made this clear from the outset that we are bound by international law. this implies the right of every state for self defense. this

means that israel has the right to defend itself against the terrorist attacks you just like any other country in the world. yet these countries also say on the international israel should ensure the safety of civilians is ro, consistently describes those who would talk the country, and those who criticize it submitted to reactions as being anti semitic. well, forty's and civil groups around the world say that has been a rise in anti semitic attacks during the war on garza, we have seen a scene south type of 7 last year. i see maybe a rise in anti semitism in australia. and that is why the government has made the decision to appoint a special envoy on anti semitism. in europe, accusations of anti semitism have a powerful impact because of some states long history of anti semitism, including the holy ghost. but some say allegations of being used as

a political weapon. we have to respect work of the national health came in the pool, which includes under core has been a stronger intimidated. send a fuse and when you submit these and as always that the, the, everyone does some of the same doesn't anything. yeah. hold on us and like the international criminal court has applied for a rest. florence is ready. prime minister benjamin netanyahu and defense minister you'll have to go out for legit real crimes and goals of that include the bombing of civilians collective punishment. according to the brit stove ation and in the international court of justice, israel has been accused of genocide and is widely acknowledged to been breaking international law for decades during it. so keep patient public spelling. critics say is what justifies it submitted to reactions, self defense, or with the support of it's less than allies as part of a cycle. this continued for decades as the suffering to people this attacks image and came out to 0. the inside story

that spring and i guess the new york is rabbi useful davis was an activist and spokesman of metro and i casa, that's a religious sect of heavy jews. and most of them the u. k. david miller, former professor of political. so she all the g at were still university who's dismissal after unfounded, and the symmetric allegations was rude and full. and in toronto, mohammed i ya, she's a professor at mount royal university and a policy analyst for the palestinian policy network. very well and welcome to all of you. well, how did, i'll start with you in toronto? how has as well so successfully distorted the meaning, the idea of anti semitism and use that distortion to further its policies. yeah, absolutely. yeah. you know, israel is that more with reality, the reality of what these really speeds it project is doing to the palestinian

people is a brutal reality. one of genocide, expulsion displacement and and we override denial of the palestinian people to their right to live on their lands as, as a free and sovereign people uh and to conceal that reality. these really state has used a couple of tropes. one of them is this notion of the quote unquote new anti semitism. the more or less it weights all serious critiques of israel and zinah zone with the anti semitism. now let's be very clear. and so i some of the serious problem is it's really european anti semitism is foundational to the rise of the european state. but, but this with an i zation of anti semitism, has been done strategically to conceal the crimes of these really spade and allow it to continue with genocide of the palestinian people. this is why it is critical to maine, the what the nice ation of anti semitism by that by that labeled to call it

a weaponized nation to oppose it because the palestinian people are the 1st people to pay the price for this weaponized ation that bank side semitism, but it will also hurt jewish communities in the u. k. in canada, in the us in france, in the long run already is doing it right now. yeah, i know i'm on the webinar. yeah, i'm a honda, i know you've spoken a lot to you. i know you've spoken to a lot about how it hurts, not just about how throwing the 10 anti semitism around her. it's not just the palestinian people, but also jewish people in the long run. i want to bring in rabbi weiss in new york rep. i see that you're wearing a batch that says, and you know, zion is for people who might not know. can you explain to us the very real difference between zionism and the religion days of yeah. so would that be a mighty, i agree that it should start by me is chooses wisdom, that i may be worthy of conveyance messages. so psyched the buyers name and bring

peace to the world of main judaism. it is a religion of 3000 years that the children of abraham, isaac, and jacob, and we made a comment was bought on mount sinai. both brought us the total. we ought to be subservient to bottom, uphold the laws of the total that is exam or judaism is. uh, the now up the street, 1000 years later, a moment spotted romero hundreds of years. a go of the design isn't. that is a purely nationalist, political movement that is simply a mass directly in the religion they want to have a blessed grab. they want to have their sovereign a d, as they ignore totally what the essence what judaism is. first of all, that is to be serving dog and. busy and, and, and that's the maximum is the better. and the 2nd way they're in the ignore and hopefully that will some of the x out 2000 years ago. because when we take it into

the holy land, when most of the total we were required to go into it was on the stipulation by the money that we have to be on a very high level of spirituality of matter. we will be expelled from the land as a nation, as individuals who lived there under the awful seas under the rule of the different domains like out of an empire solvable. but as a nation, we are to cease to exist as a national, as, as a country, as a sovereignty of the people, as this will go back 2000 years ago to spread out amongst the nations of the world . as we are of the old by god, that we should not re establish any jewish software to be in any part of the world, even in the habit of the land. and certainly not like killing the ceiling and is a special, but we're not mist submitted to return and mass as a large number to the holy land. so design isn't when these people will not be who just basically they was so many of them were reputed. god, and many of them uh,

just of the one that we would just be the work. so by weitzman of the been during the picture when they made their, uh, the best selection of independence and who were really good independent. and so i think what i like most of them to see are basically all, i'm sure we are not our covering the heads up. could you show the corner to choose space as far as the date. ringback so basically that they make in the state that is supposed to be a jewish, that god gives a school there. i'm too old, a rabbi said what you're doing united. i think julia met about the still and certainly not to people that were still kind close. but i'm grateful. what we suffered so much that by 7 to some throughout the hundreds of years in europe. how do you live these people at the clear that they are there against your occupation because they're out by submitted. so in every facet, the record i do believe that that judaism is that has them to pick

a piece of land is, is in the, isn't at this. okay, so you're actually saying that what the days of is the uh what, what you're saying is that what the states have as well what the government of as well as doing right now is actually the antithesis to today is. and mr. miller, let me bring you and you were sacked from your job at the university of bristol. falsely accused of being anti symmetric because you spoke against design as i'm the, but still the employment tribunal will that that was completely on, on law full. and that there was a place to criticize zionism in the united kingdom as well, would not be able to carry out these policies and promote sinus without support. has moving tool king. as we mention from the u. k, the u. s. and other western allies, can you tell us about how it has been so successful, how western allies have promoted zionism so successfully? so in my case, what happened was the court decided that i had not being sacked for raising the

criticisms of, of the attorney caught me by certain zone in the states. but i had the site can fit fact because i had on designs views and the on designs use should be protected under law as worthy of respect to a democratic society. they were not racist. and automatically the protect it onto the quality at the 2010. but of course is entirely different to the view which is given by these really government desires movement, which is that there is no difference between semitism design as money. i've been trying to foster this idea for more than 50 years, in particular, where we weren't able to get to it, qualified into the international holocaust. remembers the lines working definition in 2016 and i just mean the weapons they have used ever since against all the movements for a free power. same kind of problem, of course is that seems to be low and short of genocide in october or last year.

everybody can see that what's happening is it get a site, everyone who's any access to media information or alternative information knows there's genocide and it means that whatever the is really trying to say full, but you're just being honest so much like the charge has less force and more, more before nursing. no, this is not anti semitism. this is a criticism, criticism of the racism, a genocidal nature. i'm sorry. there's somebody who i deal with, you know, just of the. yeah. take you a, it's really simple and so much it it can do is state in in itself. mohammed david says that that charge of anti says an anti semitism has let's for less force. but at the same time, you know, he mentioned the international hollow costs, remembrance alliances, definition of anti semitism which has been adopted by not just the u. k. in 2016 of the u. k. government. but we have seen the us house of representatives try to close the 5 that definition. so does the charge of anti semitism have less force when

governments in the west co defying that definition, which very much equates being critical of as well as being an to symmetric? absolutely so, so this is part of these really space a strategy. this is not just um, you know, grass roots effort of scholars in activism, community members coming together and coming up with this definition that focuses almost exclusively on criticism of is realizing the definition of anti semitism. this is driven by these really state funded by these various states supported by the history of the state, which has thought since at least the 1970s to spread this idea of the quote unquote, like i said, new and types of the western countries like, sorry to interrupt right, but we just want to know why western countries, you know, like the us like the u. k. like gym the why this so quick to go with that on it. and for that answer, you have to go back

a little bit in history and i'll be as brief as possible zionism is an, is a political ideology. and what does that does not actually oppose european colonialism in racism, or even european anti semitism because it says the solution to the jewish question in europe is to leave europe and build the european like state in the land of the backward orient. you know, the error of the palestinians and of course for that to work, they have to expel the palestinians from the land. the land was already inhabited. the following is a lived on it for thousands of years. so they have to expel the palestinians from the land. now, the european empires saw this is an opportunity, especially the british empire, earth and now the american empire, they saw this is an opportunity to deal with 2 problems. the because of the right. if i send it to them, they didn't want eastern and central european jews, leading programs and violence in eastern and central europe coming into us or in europe. and they wanted imperial interest a to be addressed in the region. so they thought actually moving european jews at the bill, the european style, the

a they will be dependent on their existence on us, which means that they'll be loyal to us in our interest. so when, when israel uses this weaponized nation of anti semitism, it still plays those 2 rules for the european states and the united states. it helps them at home in the quote unquote or the guilt of the holocaust and, and european anti semitism. and it secures is really subtler colonialism and therefore the secure is the serial interest in the region. now i just want to emphasize, yes. yeah, yeah, yeah, i want to bring a rabbi, why some the on on the points that you're making because you're saying that, you know, it secures the this, the session and project is one of the things that it does, but by wise doesn't secure the jews all over the will, you know, jewish voice, the piece was very critical of the us house of representatives adopting these resolutions. they said that falsely spacing anti zion, as i'm as anti semitism can slates old jews with the as rarely state and endangers

our communities. does jewish voice for peace have a point to, to do the efforts to tie jewish people to the stakes of as well, so intrinsically actually make them a target because of the crimes that the state is committing? yes uh so with the mighty, it does the so much is the toughest. uh, 1st of all, i would like to mention that my grandparents were killed in all my father skates and the mattress and the little sharpie and had family. both my father and both decided left members were killed by the nazis in poland and hungary and um and, and so you know the stuff, the whole cost but, but this 2 issues, the charges i send it to them when you use it falsely is, is um you taking uh a chart of people blatantly committing a chair to slide a cardboard or in the portrait and then its free modified summit. this is what you

just thought of. not only my river to the absence of my grandparents and you're going to burn them again. you're taking the charge of that, but still it is when you make it work because because using the people say, oh, that's what i said that there's a meet with somebody else a crime and they get so it makes it. and secondly, it exacerbates outlets. the 1000 for the people, many people, most of people amongst the certainly we have, we know our history. we were raised to the mobile cartridge one was suffering at the sound of the be the at the end of your many people, the suffering of jews. they sent the bar say what the produce and all of a sudden they start question because they don't understand to differentiate between the jews who are support the of the state of israel. and so why it isn't, and that was want to do the religion who we owe him in total opposition of the cry. you feel the suffering, the people that we demonstrate with the state of the streets of jerusalem. you don't want uh,

we don't have much to do that ever. 76 you think it's. ready the b 5 is really pleased to get arrested. they get the get assassinated out around like children. oh yeah, no. so i'm going to think that you can see a so let me just explain that the base so they use as was mentioned, they use the whole cost deal, the world. and they, they have one that they use metal around memory is that you have the shame all these things of the whole costs in order as a gone, as a tool has a more weapon to, to, to have people side to silence the people who have to speak up what they look as criminal, but ironically there's very jewish people around the world very, the more the religious they are that and we'll see, invariably whether it is in new york, we have a 2nd largest jewish community, a right across from and where's the spring with, with stanford mills in london in june may a shower. we have hundreds of thousands of jews. they are true to the door and they

refuse to, to accept this false judy of the poor, base, selfish floor. last me just let me mention here, the name of the chief, robert pelp and, and by the 47, what was the head of the 2 instruments that was living prior to bizarre and his, uh, coming from europe. and he said he pleaded with united nations, you said before the wish to express, oh, the position to a jewish state in any part of california by somebody you will the head of this lot of jewish communities, that's living them. yeah, i get this my that vibe i was there was so many people in the jewish community who are right now being accused of being anti semitic because the ad design is the i'm glad you told us about, you know, how many family members you lost and the all the costs because you yourself are accused of being a whole the costs deny it because you don't support design this project day. but if i can bring you in now 11 of the, you know,

many points that rabbi wise was making. and you know, he mentioned the nazi holocaust hope. problem. magic is germany's position because it is one of the places in the west where b c and design is i'm being conflicted. so strenuously was anti semitism. how problem magic is that position for you for germany to take that position because of its, you know, responsibility for the nazi holocaust to say that we're going to stand by a stage that is carrying out the genocide against the people. what you have done designed here is that this inflation of on to semitism design is a real consequences in terms of reporting of the extensive semitism in society. so i see on your screen we have repeatedly, they claim that to understand which is the most recent uh, marketplace since october. the 2nd. well it's clayton, but that's the case in the u. k. the official government figures suggest the shipment system rose 1400 percent after october the 7th. but this is entirely

a fabrication because of course what's being done is that they're using the i, charlie to define a protocol as a new speech as being a teacher's aide crime. so people have been arrested for charging palestine or from the church of the c. 2 people were arrested for hate crimes for cutting effigies of bloody babies or march it. so this is entirely fictitious rise. you know, to save it as a, as a rise in racism in the society. i guess move lives against, i guess palestine is no against use. this is entirely fictitious. but of course, what we see with germany is it is germany supported with genocide, just like the u. k. and just like the us. right. but it's not just to do with all across guilty seduce me. raw. that i think was the question of the penetration of scientists assumptions into the very fabric of product society in germany. yes. in france to in the u. k. so for example, you mentioned the government just adopted the i show a all the political parties in the pay have adopted. c h r a 2 or in parliament.

the police forces from adult to the eyes are a all these institutions are effectively in the grid of his eyes, movement by scientists penetration. that's why we should receive the, the ability of the viruses sizes which should fall off by the 2 ends to international law. to questions of objection to ethnic cleansing, coming down on the side on design, this understanding of these things, which is there anybody who says palestine push the push, the liberation of palestine is by definition, and i just saw it. this is a fixed a tradition by december to someone so therefore we, we don't see any advice really. all right, any, any of the, oh, so i have a rise enough semitism in the, in the last 6 to 10 months. what we do see is the rise of people being arrested and charged for, for crimes which are not price, which are profile as to the adjust. well, how to do you agree with that? and when david talks about, you know, all of these governments and institutions within the government's being and in, in the grip of this essentially propaganda by as well around zionism,

how can we actually find a solution to what's happening in israel and palestine beyond a ceasefire? when this is the pervasive narrative that criticizing is role in any way that advocating for palestinian self determination is anti symmetric. absolutely. so i, i really need, we need to be again opposing this equipment. i vision of anti semitism, the so called new anti semitism. so one thing that we need to do is, you know, oppose institutions within our society. with this, canada of u. s. u k. germany, france, what would the citizens that have adopted the i to all right, i tell them that they are violating academic freedom. freedom of speech a n n a that they're also participating in the genocide of the palestinian people. i think what we're seeing right now is that just the cushions are still responding

to this. what the nice ation of anti semitism and accepting it. people on the ground are, are increasingly not people on the ground. see the, these are in the government calling the international court of justice that i submitted. and then they looked at the hearing and they're like, well, that was a perfectly reasonable and valid criticisms and presentation of facts and evidence . this is not anti semitism. and so, so the more that these really stayed and western states and the institutions within western states continue to participate in the zation of insight semitism. they are actually participating in their own d, legitimize ation in the eyes of people. um so, so i think that, you know, well this is a serving is really interested in the short term. in the long term. we're going to see more distrust of institutions that follow this path. now we're so many i just such a high, a lot of that, i'm sorry to interrupt you, but we only have a couple of minutes left in the program. and by why so i do want to come to you, we only have a couple of minutes left. what i would like to ask you

a question. i know you haven't been to as well in decades because you don't want to give any legitimacy to the state. do you hope that in your lifetime, you will go back to as well because of a change in how it treats the palestinians i would say in arabic, and shall i hope to return to a rebuttal, speed not to israel, and the tall rewards us that if you will rebuilding against god against the almighty will not be successful. we are sure our rabbits of trees. there's some of them are not going to do is we'll uh, with the cheap traveler palestine himself way run my title down for york and hold the court from new york the many years. and he kept on urging people to leave. we let me say that we believe it's the it's, it's an, it's so common sense to come of a logic to, to constantly ignore the re, max. the difference between a saw the difference between judaism is i ism, with

a coupon for 76, you know, murdering people and the jewish people amongst them by water. okay? because you're saying, you know, murder and people, how do these narrative promoters, the continuation, the perpetuation of the violence against palestinians. oh, because they can give them a given a free right. even through the media and then there's no, there is no uh to somebody to help with the shoulder they, they saw that the able to commit one crime 76 years of ready. what mora? mora, mora, mora, the 76. you have more stuff and it's a more common sense of every human being. see, judy is a, is to serve god by an appeal and still is not serving bought and it's not to do some it's, it's contradictory to judaism. there was no right for what the purpose and see that if they speak up against this, the committee political suicide and this is the way they get the ball. so with the reading, with the political leaders of you have to answer to god when they ask your grandchildren,

how could you be silent when it's gonna, you're going to wake up one day just like a park park. people realize eventually that it's, it's, it's, it's simply criminal of, i was just saying that it's an additional step immediately. this is a crime against god and it's not, judy, isn't it? it's just the opposite of duties. and we are trying to re the size and the give us back, i will give you some peace and a be a lot. semitism is the state of busy on the side of the case about the they are fully better and suffering the palestinians of joining them and calling that to be god forbid, death to the jewish people. god forbid because of what would be a few facing people. the criminal, besides everything else that the closing of life. thank you so much. that is rabbi . yes, roll david wise in new york and david miller and bristol, and well on the i ash in toronto. i'm thank you to for watching. you can see the

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