in your mind its area really foundation the . ready hello, my name is aaron jordan del, have of the top stories here on out 0, and it's really s try go on that apartment building and the giovanni, a refugee camp in gauze that has killed at least for palestinians. rescue workers that find to dig out those buried under the rubble. some families are refusing to leave other parts of northern garza despite new evacuation noticed by these randy ami. they say there's no point because there's no safe place for them to go. north of hollywood reports not from shift to diet. these way this will crest and all the golf high, is it a published? and it was actually was an oldest to be handling machine. they've done some box.

all that in an attempt to have a full minute to control all the northern bots of the nose of gauze and a bad. yeah. but i'm talking to you from a ship. the sylvan people here refuse to evacuated or move because the higher of evacuating over and over. and they are telling that these really closest is lying. and there is no any safety police. and they took a lesson from a type of an anti mamma school in the guise of city. that's why they are referring to stay here. rather than moving can follow these. what do you all, just as you can see in the picture civilians, here's tim of and dense tours and so taking shows that in schools here on the ship they and a other boss of with handling and did that. yeah, i'm just trying to stay here because of that following these lady forces and get and take the risk to be killed laws. it's got to adjust

the to northern does a strip palestine. meanwhile, in central gaza and he's really as probably gone as the way to town the idea out by the killed 15 members of the same family. the strikes spot defy which company the rescue efforts more than 40000 palestinians have been killed in guns. that since last october pulled off for 2 days of cease fire, tulips and council, as well as delegation, expressed cautious optimism that closer to a cease fire deal is growing pressure on israel is 5 minutes to have to bring these really captive home. thousands of anti government protest as to the streets of tennessee, as well as other towns and cities on saturday evening demanding netanyahu except the day of the vast majority of the it's really public support. this deal. most of our minister and m case supported this deal. the american who have israel security interest in mind support this deal. there is only

a slim minority of listed on the extreme is in our government will come out against this deal. and this one now is the lying and self with them for his own political survival. it has blocked as long as at least 50 rockets from southern 11 on towards northern israel. the attack killed 10 people, an injured at least 5 others has been lost as the strikes were in retaliation, as well as the attack on about to you. on friday, the cleaning and ministry says it's destroyed to bridges and rushes. caustic region keeps as its forces. i'm moving further into western russia. russia is foreign ministry says ukrainian troops use western rockets the kremlin, accuse of the us of having to plan the ukraine and incursion. something that washington denies. that put stuff in practice to and of increase disinfecting measures to prevent further impulse infections. officials at least 2 people have

confronted the infectious disease and the mountain isolation and push all of the world health organization has declined a global public health emergency and is waiting in the position lead that money according to my charter, has come out of hiding to attend the run a to denounced the re election of president nicholas mal do it. he told supporters and cut off costs to stay on the streets to demonstrate against last month's widely disputed presidential pope earlier machado had called for global demonstrations. the supreme court ratified mcgruder was when early this week allowing him to serve a 3rd 60 a tough, strong winds on the low humidity making it more difficult for crews to contain wildfires in the west kentucky, a helicopters and water bottles had been struggling to fly through 6 smoke to extinguish the blaze. while those were the headlines, the news continue, and se announces the error of the head to head station. the

from ukraine to gauze us the world seems more divided on upsets and that it's being fee is global powers at the west of the line. so they've been put to the test. and the mid the turmoil china is rising to challenge the world war to try and as president, she didn't think now, when is the time in office has foundations shall go to job. well, i'm going to attend to the parent 5 dollar shop in place for the hot territorial disputes of spock's fears of illogic complex that could have regional and global implications. you have an approved wizard, including in the contested was, is the south china sea or in the taiwan

with a front of a chinese military page of the logic. we want a home attack, some basic freedoms in human rights to severe like and should turn with china, continues to commit serious human rights abuses. some say a jetta side against the we give us. so how far will china is autocratic? vision reach and will long simmering to mention with the west point. i'm mary hudson, and i've come here to london legendary conway whole to go head to head with the vic to get these vice president the send of a china in globalization in beijing form an interpreter for the late chinese, the, the thing, champagne and a proud defender of the people's republic, i'll ask him about china is global ambitions, and it's a relative prac, down on human rights and civil tonight, i'll also be joined by 3 experts. steven china,

professor at the university of london school of oriental and african studies. re hot outside the human rights lawyer of we get heritage a molten. jake's all sort of the best seller when china rules the world and the political commentator on china the to go. thank you so much for joining me on a headset this evening here in london. thank you for having me. china has up to the military spending. it's expanding it's nuclear arsenal. it now has the biggest navy in the world chinese present. she didn't bring a said that the country's military should be capable of quote, fighting and winning was. i'm told the military to focus on your energy on fighting, improve your paper, bill it to, to win. victor, who do you want to fund?

and who do you want to win against the? first of all, the time these military spending is the 2nd largest in the world, but it is only a fraction of that of the united states. and china has a very difficult deal political situation in town as 14 land the neighboring countries altogether. and 6 maritime nations for china. therefore, china's defense defensive in nature is not 4 or 5 to anyone except those who want to evade try the all to launch a war against trying channels mandatory spending as well. peace, rather than war and war will be false. the palm try 9, try 90 to my back. you say it's for peace, but your neighbors don't agree. your neighbors are pretty worried about you. you go through the list. japan sounded the alarm single military build up is very serious concern to them. india is worried about china on it's boulder and the philippines president as one that china is becoming a more pronounced. and to worry some threats. he says,

those are the elected governments of countries representing of a 1600000000 people in asia. this is not the united states, this is not the west to 0 asian neighbors saying, well, worried about china. in the you mentioned the 3 of the neighboring countries of china. let's talk about one of the one each of them very quickly. japan unconditionally surrender. not only to the united states, but also to china in 1945. and if you read very carefully the unconditional surrender document that japan signed, then you will know how to pen need to conduct its foreign affairs, as well as it's something that's a troops with china and with all those countries that japan unconditionally surrendered for india is a great nation, and there is a territorial dispute between china and india, but that dispute was not created by china. my, the was it created by india. it was created or left behind by the bridge is indian

a government? that's great history, less than right now. china, in 2024. the defense spending is going up by 7 percent the most for 5 years. you had 20000000 consecutive years of military expenditure growth the most of any country in the world since 2022. china has increased military drills around taiwan . it's escalated since the new ty, when he's president, was a no great inmate. china is not a sign of him. since then, it's been almost daily activity involving china as warships, drones, cyber attacks against probably one china is getting ready to invade taiwan is that there was only one china. taiwan is part of china and the government of the people's republic of china is the sole digital bit government for the totality of china. the exact status between the 2 sides of the taiwan strait is the only finished the civil war back in 1949. so ever since the beginning of the 90 these kinda 1000, i want to use

a war to solve this dude if occasion problem. you don't want to use of war, but you surrounding it with ships drones, cyber attacks and making lots of threats each time when the separatists in taiwan to push the edge of the envelope. they will come across more and more of demonstration of the commitment of the chinese nation to eventually achieve peaceful reunification or otherwise. that's the lead. most tests your defense minister said anyone to test to pursue independence with taiwan will be crushed into pieces and face destruction. sounds like a truly peaceful got and that's a real statement because i know it is a separatist if they're separate. it is really wants to push the edge of the envelope with the aid of some big country, for example, which wants to use taiwan as a proxy in its own geo political rivalry against china. then wait until you'll see what will happen. you really, if occasion will be a chief in china, is the only a permanent member of the united nations to go to the council,

which has not yet achieved a complete unification. well, i'm why i'm always amazed with this phrase reunification because of it's one china . the clearly is not one china. clearly you're accepting by definition. if you need to re unify, they all doing their own thing. and why this obsession with taiwan, you are country of 3700000 square miles of population, 60 times out of taiwan economy. 22 times the size of taiwan. why you obsessed with taiwan? why don't just leave them be in terms of defending trying to sovereignty. and the territorial integrity, any inch of land is not one teach too much. any one single person is not one person too many. so we need to achieve reunification as though they don't want to be part of your country. 12 percent of the people of taiwan say they want to reunify what china 12 percent, that they can't get more unpopular than that. and maybe it's not up to the people in taiwan to decide about the one china policy. you're very blunt and you disregard

people's views. freedoms, dignity, you say that you don't care about what they think. you're also sending it into the french newspaper, them on. once we get the island back, we'll have to ask everyone's origins. those who have japanese ancestry. so you basically, so you can come to view 10 percent of the population will have to pledge royalty to re unification in writing. otherwise we'll have to help them leave. you're basically calling for the ethnic cleansing of 2300000 people in time. well, now you remember back in 1945, when japan unconditionally surrendered a lot of people. li, taiwan, who originally came from japan. they were the rulers of a type one at the time they stayed behind because of the mac. and then me to of the chinese nation now or several decades later, they account for about 10 percent of the population in taiwan. now, if you really do your homework, you will realize that those die hard to tie. one of these separatists include the

many of these japanese, the base of the problem is that okay, we will get rid of them. you would go to 2300000 people know after the unification . everyone in taiwan need to make a pledge. without the knowledge, there is only one. china and taiwan is part of china. and if they don't mind that pledge all around those who pledge, well for the one child the policy, the local, you didn't by the way, you didn't say everyone. he said of japanese descent. that is literally, i think like you're picking people by the ethnic heritage, make them do a loyalty test. otherwise they have to get out of the country. that is another long as you just kill. for example, in brittany, if you're a pretty citizen, you just pull the monkey, you cannot say i, oh, i'm just coming in britain. i don't suppose i want to see. i don't like think charles know you're kind of yes. i know. i just said it. maybe i literally just said you cannot take any action to oppose the amount of jesus. i don't have to sign a pledge saying i support control. so each country is different. yeah, we all talking about children in the china is very in china has one policy, which is part of the constitution calls everyone and people in taiwan who don't

want to be part of your country. let's bring it on panel who are waiting to come and enjoy to see what they think i'm doing by stephen chan. professor the university of london, school of oriental and african studies. if you're in taiwan today, how worried are you about looming invasion? i'm not in tie. well today i'm going to be visiting next year. i'll be in the 5 times and all of the great cities of taiwan. and what i've noticed most conspicuously is that nobody have talked who wants to rejoin, will be unified with china because of that sense of freedom and a sense of self determination. so i think that if you go to say how sovereignty matters more than your design for your own self determination and freedom that you're doing something that will not make you popular in taiwan. and you weren't been the argument for chinese cell frontier over the island mountain. the mountain texas here was also the best selling. but when china rules the world mounts and you said in the past, the china cannot, should not be seen through a solely west and lamps. so i, i agree with you and this is issues this, but i began to show by asking victor about japan and india and the philippines

separate sty wants to issues in the region. do you think china is responsible for some of those issues? all of those issues, none of those issues or ton, is obviously involved in inevitably in order to ins, issues. and i think the to the actually, if you look at the rise of china over the last 3040 years, spectacular, biggest change we ever see in history. and inevitably, that is changing everything in the region have in the world. that doesn't a bit. the remarkable thing i'd say magic, the batch chinese royce is how you've purchased the ministry things and so on. but china is not full. danny was since 1979. if you compare that with america, europe, japan, the same stage of development, they were, they were extremely aggressive. um, let's talk human rights act. you've cooled, regus in china is ginger and province,

your brothers and sisters. how do you feel about the fact that at least half a 1000000, some say more of your brothers and sisters being detained, encompassed by the chinese government. as 5 percent of the adult, we got population one of the highest imprisonment detention rates in the world. maybe the wiggles, a proud ethnic group, one of the $56.00 ethnic nationalities in china. the wiggles as far as i'm concerned on my true brothers and sisters. i know many of the i traveled issue in general regularly, and i talked to many of the wheels. now, if anyone is serious about accusing china of practicing mass injustice to the wiggles, gives me the evidence. i think it's human rights watch say half a 1000000 people detained over the as me send you a cheap quote, a few men rights watch. and i tell you, do you know what they've gotten, has done this for me. i do kind of tell you, i know i thought you were the expert now. you'd be interested in joining has spoken to me cuz you never had these numbers. i do not know where the,

the get the saw. so that's all so you shouldn't shanghai people's procure rhetoric which cause published defense that distinctions on official buddy which says it's convicted $540826.00 people prosecuted. and the reason says 2017, the united nations office for human rights looked of satellite footage. they say 10 to 20 percent of the population. i'm just the estimates a 1000000 people in comes off or millions of conservative number. maybe if you quote that to organization, please be assured that the organization has been completely discredited for the false information to the airport. so use this, i love this game to play. you give me your thoughts. i give you a sol discredited face that faucets, maybe how can one's let me ask you a question. how many people are in detention engine? how do you give me a number? isn't if you let me know, you can just give me a number. if you look at, i do not have the number one. 0 yeah, hold on. you can say it's not half a 1000000 and then so you don't have a number. i have a number of sources. like how many people do you think it did? let me give you my reason. no, no, no, i go to machine job a lot. i travel all. thank you for long distance. yeah. you go there a lot,

but the account tell me how many people are in defense of. they said they are happy, they enjoy their life. they enjoy that most of them practices and traditions live. how many people are in detention? victor, maybe let me be philosophical know, don't be from the top of the new america. oh, how many people are in detention? you said not to know documented how about less than a quarter of a 1000000. let me let me, let me finish my point. nope. if you don't have a question you don't filibuster, victor on this, you know a meanwhile monroe mobil. do you john independence. they will be dealt with in got it. how many of them are increasing? how many defensive a very small minority, so you don't have a number. you say they're all happy, but you weren't let in independent investigators. you weren't that in german. this why? why not? i love to go, yeah, i will be happy to escort you to jean junk. really. i can make that properly. i will speak to the germans. government is the problem of it certainly is that it wasn't at school. i don't mind is i want to go freely, will you allow that? and i do not make that decision. oh, i'm going to go, you are going to make all sorts of drugs. finally, i said,

let me go freely and speak to week is freely can i do that with no mind is i'll be how tiny is government school. i will be happy to make your case. oh, just now you said you'd organize it. now if i make a case make are in the right hand side is a senior fellow at the atlantic council international human rights. lord, you are we go uh who? victor says, brothers and sisters. your little brother has been helped him in 10 men come pension gang since 2016. i believe ran. tell us what happened to your brother and what is your response to victoria what you've heard. and what is the latest on your brother if you don't mind sharing with us? yeah, my brother bar as that as a problem, the tech on support, in fact, your own media outlet quote from bright star in the tech world right before his detention he was in light is on the stage gala dinner and then he disappeared. how could explain now many, again in china we have about 20 muslim ethnic groups. you need to ask one question, why the extremism existed,

mostly among the legal communities. because there are extreme is among the legal community who want to separate shame. don't away from your brother, being convicted of him, cottage by c, i a at of the west. the nice. okay. right. yeah, that's the real to hold on. hold on to the hallmarks, they don't support it as your brother been convicted of a crime according to you and there's no trial has taken place. he just forcibly disappeared, oxycodone lost in force disappearance, but of course he was trying to call him and he committed a crime of inciting ethnic discrimination. while he's the systematically a prize. and when i tell him that decision, because under the chinese law, if you're committed with the alleged crime that you, you have 3 is sentence, but he got 15. how do you? and just by that, then they switch the client. so how do you even explain this as a rule of law system? you mention that if people are not pulling dependent, then they're fine. and shouldn't john? my brother by no means is poor, independent, in fact,

nor media out that says the media in whites hunt, exchange information the he split the country or when he visited, basically the day with the treatment of her brother by the, in front of this very old ghost about the let me make several very brief points, the real crime involved by some of the legal people agitating for change of independence. they violate the one china policy. now, set separate 12 that, you know, different communities may find their own different problems which need to be solved, involved in the costs of law, and i hold on for all the time for ease. well, i mean, i know the judge. i hope i can help you to really look at the case of the accusation against him. yeah, i love your brother is not guilty of being citing for separatism of she conjunction reduces, that is the case then let the lol take its causal go. your maybe i'll call him a model citizen who is the promoter of nick unity sion, john,

if he's been able to speak to a brother so no, not at all like, you know, for ages he's for, so they've disappeared up until like last month for the 1st time i pens saw him what kind of just the system is that you're making a mockery, you know, to the that to the being tortured numerous testimony. do you and it's collected. are you ok with that many way to talk about port you think about what tumble be put on my wife's father, then aging junk. she jones is a place of great peace and stability the account uh, hold on. i think for the accounts of detainees include being beaten with buttons, electric buttons will strap them a so called probably get you a $150.00 it being subjected to interrogation with what to put on the faces, prolong solitary confinement. forced to sit motionless on space for long periods like this, you are okay with this. this is a proud made of property. you are reading the case in iraq committee by the americans are really un ripple in august 2022 from detainees who came out of town

and should enjoy your brothers and sisters. but these promises, you don't seem to give a damn about. how do you know any torch i happen to know rock out of interest, and i know how i know for sure how i talked to the roxy ambassador named aging. okay. he wept in front of me and i'm showing greyhounds parents of wept, and you don't seem to care. and i hope you will tell your brother b, a staunch supporter of one child in a policy. be abroad. i cannot tell him, we'll probably tell him, tell him to she come speak to him because you do not. how does that make sense? because she call him speak to me. are you gonna arrange? you're gonna arrange a visit though. i'd be happy to help you. oh, no problem at all, because a lot of promises to be made here guys that you all the, all with the witnesses. indeed, let me bring in mountain checks and most of when you hear people say, basically there's no torture. everyone's making it up. there's nobody in detention come on. that's ridiculous, is not mountain well, i mean, i don't know all the details of the situation and you shouldn't try. but clearly there's been a big problem for a long time in change,

in terms of the relationship between the week and a half. and that came to a head in 2009. when there was a demonstration on 200 people were killed by the week by the week, and then they're trying chinese inflicted the same type of damage on that. so this is not, this is, this is a deep problem in my view. and it's not easy post office, know the problem in china of this kind. yeah. but it was the big problem. that's a pretty big problem. very big problem, but yeah, i big do. the other thing that i'd say is that the point that's being made about separatism is true that i think that what the 30000000 muslims in china away is the biggest single majority they have. they all compete integrated. but the problem, the problem issue, john is clearly the issue of separate cuz stevens. let me ask you this question. victor is making a lot of promises tonight about me. going to sion,

janet and rand good intentions. i have everyone's, that'd be fine. and how, how safe, how okay, you with visiting china, how, how free do you think you are when you go to china? when i go to china and i haven't been for some time, i'm watched what was 247. there's always someone i can spot is trailing me so i know with my hotel room is upgraded suddenly to a spacious piece. now replace which is booked. so someone who the mild critic of the scholarly critic like me doesn't feel safe in china. i. by contrast, i feel safer and taiwan. think to when you hit stephen, say he doesn't feel safe. going to try to profess going to taiwan when we talk about freedom of speech. for example, in china, i live in the united states of america, where i can say that donald trump is a, i don't know, i pathetically, an orange face and offices. i also live here and you can british. here you have

where she threw that feet from the prime minister was called a point sized loser by label politician or no one in china has that kind of right freedom. just talked about the government to talk about president changing things in that way. you can't say anything about it, you wouldn't dare say anything like that because you know what will happen to you when you go, when you know what will happen to a family, that's what china are as many if you do any c, right? any c, e mail or chat to your friends about taking any action against? that's a problem. it is though, printing from the united states and inside will be dropped with the link to your a must be home by the time what i said, i said we should see and it was called a pint sized loser. would you go? she didn't pick a pint sized least. maybe each country has different sensitivities. in your opinion, you called criticized the titles. got them all. no, no. you can criticize the government. if you a positive the you can criticize your gun, but if you'll positive yes. is that the new floss to know if you can come up with the all you're gonna come up with nice insults?

no, well the constructive advice because he's really excited about the volume. for example, our loving dealing with the aging population. what should be the government do? what's your this coming? i should do, but your call should say the president slide. he's a lawyer. not me will be dealt with very swiftly in china. you cannot say that that is the most honest thing. you're such a nice victim out. we're going to take a break. that's part one of her head without guest, vic, to go in part 2 will be talking about president she didn't ping will be talking about the issue of dictatorship and we'll hear from a very patient audience here in london's caldwell the zeros here to report on the people often ignored, but who must be hurt. how many other channels can you say will take the time and put extensive followed into reporting from under reported areas? of course, we cover major global events that are passion lies in making sure that you're hearing the stories from people in places like how this finds,

the young man has regions and so many others. we go to them, we make the effort. we care strict a unique perspective, the transfer and the displacements are being vision as population has been discussed as part of design. his project went back for well over a 100 years on heard voices. all the times, people have to pay to buy the bottle. there's bombing, connect with our community and talking to conversations you won't find elsewhere. young people are not looking for a hand, but they're not backed up by a system that supports the streams on out just the are a nation ingles in a bit or civil war. the resistance picking more and more territory, the winning, they found one and the city has to resort to the power button to chaos and use threats has emerged under the sea. then what became pump spread to the region. cyber crime was taking place in new i. you certainly indicates that it represents

one of the largest prime hubs in the world. the full reports, the thoughtful for the gateway to me, and more on that was just the euro. the hello, i'm down joining the mind of the top stories here on i'll just say right. and it's really a strike on apartment building and the jabante. a refugee accompanied garza was killed at least full understanding and rescue workers are trying to dig out those buried down to the rubble. some families are refusing to leave other parts of northern gauze despite new evacuation known as by the israeli army. they say there's no point of business, no safe place to go. and central garza and his ran the strike on owls the way to town. the idea of bile killed 15 members of the same family. the strikes spawn to

find out which compet rescue efforts more than 40000 palestinians have been killed in gaza since last october, as well after 2 days of cease laptops and casa, as well as the delegation expressed cautious optimism that the closer to a cease 5 deal is growing pressure on israel is 5 minutes, said to bring these randy captives have thousands of anti government testers to the streets of tel aviv, as well as other towns and cities on south of the evening, demanding the benjamin netanyahu except the day of the vast majority of the is really public support this deal. most of our minister and m case supported this deal, the american who have israel security interest in mind support this deal. there is only a slim minority of listen, i'm here. extreme is in our government who come out against this deal and this, and you know,

is align himself with them for his own political survival. as well as long as at least 50 rockets from southern lebanon towards northern israel as ballasa as the strikes. so in return the ation of israel and the attack on the back to you on friday, your credit and ministry says it's destroyed to bridges in russia's cost. region came, says it's forces. i'm moving further into russia. specialist fund ministry says ukrainian troops use western rockets, the criminal in the tubes as the us of helping to plan the a crane and incursion. something washington denies. strong winds and low humidity making it more difficult for cruise to contain well fires in the west and took here . helicopters and water bombs have been struggling to fly through fixed mode to extinguish the blaze. 94000 residents have been forced to evacuate the homes. all right, so those were the headlines. the news continues here on out as the rest of the head to head that you the

welcome back to head to head on how to do everything with my guest this week is vic to a gal for my interpreter to the late chinese, the to den shopping vice president, the sense of the china and globalization in beijing and alden promoter of the people's republic were also joined by an expert panel here in london, conway hole, and the live audience who were going to hear from shortly victor before we get to the audience. in 2019 on this very show, i asked the question is changing, being gearing up to be president for life dictates in chief. i mean, he's the most powerful leader of china since now. he's abolished presidential term limits. he's now in his 3rd 5 year term as president sol off again tonight. is he now president for life a true dictate? for the recall? first of all, chinese president, she's young. people will never be present for life. there will be a timely meet when it will be will be handled according to the chinese legal system and constitution. secondly, there is no dictator in china. why?

because dictatorship simply doesn't work. democracy means modernization. and how can you explain per find or transform ation of tried over the past 45 years in china. if you have dictatorship, author retired and rule, no, every leader in china will be put into a t and t look will be much more important that shouldn't be then wrong. individualistic to maybe previous to probably president's and maybe james, a man or who gender. everyone knows sheets and paying a centralized power. consolidated power got rid of time limits. you said as a way to get room, but there isn't actually legal way to get rid of him. he's a powerful life and he likes being a dictator. why? we pretended many allow me to remind you of the communist party of china, which is a routing body of china, has a membership of up to 100000000 people. now it's well structured. every probably has ever stayed on enterprise, etc. we'll have a lot of sale. there is no division or debate within the chinese communist bought

to listen to me. no single puzzle in china can dictate to a really relation of 1400000000 people and 100000000 membership of the communist party of jobs. okay, let's start emission. let impulse, let's press that proposition. the president, one of the last year, one of the, i'll put that in quotes. do you know the tale of last year's presidential vote in favor of she didn't bring by the national people's congress part of that structure . you just advertise to us. what was the vote? can you tell our audience here? i think it's up, up to about 100 percent. that does it in $2950.00 to $20.00. yes, that's exactly what i said. could you don't find a few people just to make you look a little, even one or 2? many as far as surprising. it's about supply 952 to 0. is one my, all my french on the system ever was the pulse of the japanese president. 5 years just told of 10 seconds ago that this huge system, a big party one,

gotten any of our own of everyone's a boat to 0 votes against the one person out of 3000 couldn't say change in being not mike. one want to if he is the guy for all the communist party of china, the oh, well around, if that's the case, then your entire 1st officer was redundant because it doesn't matter. if there's a 100000000 people don't, they will have to follow the lead. know, he does come on few to respect about the chinese people as well as you say, it was like, i say for you. do you know how many names were on the ballot papers that were given in 2015? how many names were on the by the people in they went to choose the present key. tell our audience. i think there was only one candidate. yeah, no, no, no, no, of the names. that's a real, that's a real secure leader. a guy who knows he has the confidence of his people. you get to vote, but only for me and none of you can actually vote against me. maybe we do not want to end up in the situation with 6 prime ministers in the 18. yeah. yeah. so you prefer a dictatorship?

no, we prefer a system that works for the benefits of the chinese people have not said a word about what works on you got great economic growth. look at the picture of a dictatorship. there is no dictatorship, many. you just want me to a, there's no name on the ballot paper, no votes against him, and they all just follow him. that's a dictatorship. maybe when you have to find a multiple time after that, it's a big issue. how many candidates out there on the pallet paper? how many? well, typically, when the team succeeds the cri, yes. how many candidates out there on the bottom to pay? how many? how many does that make britain and not a democracy? well, you're asking the wrong guy on the republican, so i think we should be a full democracy and get rid of the bonus. and i can say that he, if you can say that in shot, you cannot take any action against yes, i cannot. you then got in the street, i can hold up a plaque out and say, let's get rid of king charles. i can create a whole protest outside buckingham palace. you can't do that in china. you can't even put one other person's name on a pallet paper. that's how insecure you'll lead or any. i'm a lawyer. in my capacity as a lawyer, i can give you

a long list of things that you cannot do regarding the amount of key here. and i'm not debating that i'm saying that we have an elective government. we get to choose, we get to swap 6 prime ministers. god help us. but we get to pick everyone in this room who's a citizen gets to pick this up. you end up with your media budget with the corrupt, the one that's upon installed. so victor, victor, i admire that because that's all this nonsense. your answer is it's a dictatorship. the works at least tell you that no, no, no you call, you can dungeon you want me to use the duct tape. then i show you what it is you say, but it's working. we've got growth. many hic one. maybe if that is your part, i will seriously urge you to do more homework about how the chatting says the work . okay, let's talk about the new system because i did a little bit of homework a little bit at home. it's, it's, it's, did you know that she's in pain? put his name in the constitution, and that's weird. well, the leader of the country put his own name in the constitution while he's president . no one's done that since mouth. none of the other chinese presidents not

twitching tile. not your old boss. thing shopping, none of them did it. did they? what am i wrong? it's wrong. uh, who did the chinese constitution as the most frequent they amended compared with any other country. am i wrong about what i just said with my name was put into the conversation. when i said those name was put into nothing while he was president and jones, i mean, nobody was supposed to into the kind of while they were sitting presidents and you know, that tele crowd. you know, while they were president, they didn't do themselves. according to my recollection, each although you'll recognize when i put the into the cars, not while they was the, the, those west still a life. okay, so i'm right model while they were president, though i love the little sled, even donald trump, one of the great narcissists about time has not proposed yet putting his name into the us constitution. if you are the president of china, you were elected without any opponents, no names on the ballot pay, but 0 votes against. do you put your name in the constitution? 6 year old, a talked about she didn't bring full in primary school. that is don't just the dictatorship. that is a cult of personality. i don't think china believes in personal. why

a 6 year old signing about she didn't bring full, i'm pretty sure with no 6 year olds learned about lives. trust is many bunch of big . the chinese system is such that why does your orient the country in one direction? everyone follows the see. what do they follow or they folder to follow and it's a lot of choice. now it's like a vehicle with 4 wheels. here you'll have full wheels, a line in different directions and opposing directions. in china, not the full wheels of a car, all lined up in one direction. i don't go, you could let me give you an example for, for the chinese well to inform a foreign minister in gun was removed from his post and was not being seen in public since june 2023, a few months later trying his defense minister generally shining through disappeared from public view for months without being expelled from the party, accused of corruption, that's at least to ministers that disappeared just in the last year. with apologies to oscar wilde to lose one minister might be unfortunate to lose to his careless.

is it not? do you know the point i want to make? this means china is really most of the same dealing with corruption of old cards even i'm, although i are administered indefensible. imagine and to me blinking and lloyd us to just disappear tomorrow. we don't know whether we never seen them again, that's not normal victor, this a corruption is run, put into how do we know that corrupt they just disappeared? withdrawal. and that's the problem. the initial, my point, corruption of all kinds young china need to be dealt with. so we have the trial mostly listen to the we have the trial. the trial of the form of them is that we don't even know where he is. maybe those things you don't know doesn't mean doesn't happen. where's the trial for this man? you're just accusing of corruption. jingle was my good friend for more than 20 years even. and he is involved in corruption. where is he? and he is dealt with various stuff. where is it? regardless of your good friend? oh no, no worries. regardless where is you'll be our with our administrative try just this is not a hard question. we're not asking. we're right hands, brother in the middle of shouldn't joining is it you conduct?

where's a former foreign minister of china who disappeared? and by the way, he wasn't accused of corruption. the spokesman came up to the us health reasons. then corruption came later by the way, where did he go? you'll find that means there is a process of the process, the process don't always one lie that he's health and then the next life he's corrupt. he may be, you never know. i mean, it's probably a little after he's been in a chinese pretty meal now and yeah, never know exactly, but at least where he's gone last is drunk to where is it of is corruption. last question better. the point, literacy is somewhere in china. you will never see him. he is, i'm on the one point i a 1000000000 people know it's still just him. as many other people have disappeared. the previous defense minister disappeared. the ministry of industry and technology disappeared. the full, the in to pull president is in china, you just disappear if they don't like you. that's the rule of law and china. i'm so proud to be the does appear because if they keep doing that job, they will bring great to these things to be careful what you wish for, because everyone's watching the show. and if you've got something wrong tonight, maybe you disappear. if i it is a be, i hope you will bear with me out of to find you 1st in china. it's apparently

a big country. and i wanna bring in a, steven champ, professor at the university of london school of oriental african studies steven sheets and things, policies his crack down on dissidence. i mean, china was never a democracy of the president's role. so victor tauriel, but can we agree to exchange and things on the different level when it comes to refreshing at home, the consolidation of power? so you may disagree with victor description of him as part of a. don't a full we'll carl driving in the same direction unhappily. you certainly consolidated as paul. he is a very, very strong president. and i think that the real test of what of this is how tried it, has treated hong kong lucy increasing, clamped down on descent on free expression of opinion when they were meant to have the degree of freedom and a one country to system way of approaching life, we can't see any evidence of vibrant debate in china. and i know that part of the great disappointments of i live with with our read chinese academic works. everyone, toes a party line,

know 1000 dependent research to publish and supply. do you think critical, for instance, not just jason thing, anything critical about chinese foreign policy? well, they might disappear, they might not get promoted in any case. re, honda thought as a senior fellow, the atlanta counselor international human rights. lo ran in paul when we talked in depth about the repression against the week isn't your own personal situation. in 2014, she's been paying privately cold for an oil out trundle quote against terrorism, and to show absolutely no mercy after visitations. and how much do you believe she's in things driving what's happening in sion? janet how much do you think he's responsible for the repression in china? well, the model of the fact is that all of those happen undercurrent demonstration, right? so many scholars are attributing to him, it happened on the history, and he's the one who said, absolutely no mercy and something on through some branches of the week was breaking up the connection and the saw the policy is implemented under his leadership. so it's very hard to

a separate shooting thing from the con pulsation jones molten jake's author of the best selling. but when china rules the world you, you heard victor talk about what we call the dictatorship because we're doing so well. the economy is doing amazing. we don't have list trusts many budgets, etc. but then you get into the debate about 10 dictatorship with the growth co exist. do you need to have democracy to go alongside that? i think about dependent most in and i think about china is reaction to depend on me is that where the dictatorship, the lack of transparency, the disappearances caught up with china. because of course there was a black hole in china in terms of china, censorship methods. it's draconian policies, the 0 cobit policy, the crackdown which led some people say to over a 1000000 to 1000000 desk. we still protests in buildings. people screaming was the moment with china actually collided with reality. and so the system big a concept, live long term where i beg to differ, okay. on the question of depend demik, because actually for 2 years, uh, uh, 2020,

and 2021. actually trying to do under the circumstances extremely well. and well, a for the west of the reasons for a quite complicated uh you've got to take a very different kind of system. now, one of the problems with the discussion, i think a sofa on this question is that the country, it sounds, if the country doesn't, what if you say, dictate dest spot, all these kind of, i didn't sign up, i know. but if and the, and you say you personally, but then one says there's no discussion. this is i think this is absolutely true. so what we're presenting here is no, i'm accurate. picture. we've got sort of actually just about the balance, right? yeah, i don't deny what you're saying, but your british, you would think it was a political a quake. if the foreign secretary in the defense sector disappeared in the space of 6 months, no, arrested, disappear fairly. yeah. yeah. and there is something got to change going with a friend of mine as well. and i don't know what's happened to me and i think it is

on it's certainly true. i say it's re weighed that this can happen. but, but i think the thing is that we've got to try and get the young cardboard cutouts when we're talking about trying to understand how it really works. let's bring in our audience who, being waiting here in london is coming my whole. i'm going to go to the yes, the lady the on the full throw. yes you my question is as it just isn't from hong kong, knowing that i kind of express freely in hong kong or in the u. k with are risking other people in trouble. i also know that you just now make claims about there's free speech in china, and it's possible to criticize the chinese government just now again. can you please demonstrate that free speech and tell us what are shooting things to worst mistakes in the past 5. yes, great question. if you can demonstrate to us that is ok to criticize using being the chinese government on china or even just say she's even kind of resembles when it appeared would be good enough for me. thank you. if you want to take that

question, well, thank you. i would say a china need to make more prompt, take more prompt actions in dealing with the dramatic aging population in china and the dramatic demographic decline. you didn't. she didn't things to blame for not being fast enough on agent. no, i think the whole chinese government, including the central committee state council, local government, need to take action as quickly to reverse that dramatic aging population problem. a demographic, we're not going to get to consume. i'd be let's go back to the audience. let's go to the gentleman here in the tie. yes. yep. yep, alex, i'm sorry, alex, find some check from house. mike, my question is that. so there's been very bad rights, for example, has been in then using kenya. some of that that, that's causing the problem is to china. so the question is, how is china are going to handle the increasing pressures for debt

cancellation? lation uh, at least 17 african countries are in particular dest distress this year. thank. as i understand the chinese debt thing, these large scale connectivity projects is only a small portion of the overall national debt. because they own debt to the united states, to britain, to the international financing institutions, etc. the not just on that to china, but to many other countries. that's the reality. secondly, there is accusation about the test track which is completely wrong and false. because if you want to do connectivity projects, major project finance, things, you'll need to have equity as well as that. that is a inc, dispensable part of the packaging. okay, let's go back to the audience, i. so take this trend for the time and go to the back. then we'll go to that gentleman that you next of to this one. my name is ronald pricey. i would like to

ask you a question on to bit. i was born into bed before it's chinese invasion of dement. unfortunately 1.2000002 bedrooms have died since and we have been made refugees. my question, these 2 bed after 74 years of chinese rule is still under locked down. no agenda and there's no individual taurus, not even tibetans. i'm not allowed to see the penalties. what is china afraid off to keep? keep to bed in such a tight control and dependency such in human existence, you know, on country. so have a sequence that you had and dynasty if not even earlier to bed has to be part of trying through different dynasties, different historical periods. i can assure you, during your lifetime, and mine,

to bet will always be part of china while he's there 1st and therefore rolling places a don't want to be ruled by trying not to bet there's been too bad, not taiwan. then i'll happy and she and jane to bet being part of china thousands depends on whether you would like to know about. it's a mega trend of time, a mega trend, or you need to accept that before you will feel free to go back to china. so you don't use it to bit you sound like a frightening. i'm not, i'm not. you said you have to accept that before you can go back, you lose from that place you live in peace, even put, that's good. he's a refuge. what if you want to go back to, to bed of knowledge to bed as part of china period. and what if he doesn't he calling about just how you kind of go back? because the child that doesn't want to see anyone advocating for the independence of to be like, oh, no way they're willing to, that's will never to why comp, china rest on its own merits. why the bullying and the threats. we're going to

break you to pieces taiwan. you can't go back until you sign this document of that template. why the in security, 2nd biggest economy in the world, major power you sounds so insecure channels, like who are the rest of the principle that there is only one. china and taiwan is part of china to bed as part of china. and she and young is part of china, piece of it. and even if the people that don't want to be part of it, you don't give it up. the majority of the people live happily as chatter. we know that you do a vote. i will go with, you know, we're going to bad going to go to tibetan and we're going to go home and it's about impossible. i couldn't go to the bat, but the guys from the account go to the you sound ludicrous when you cited stuff, i'm sorry to say that is going to do it incidentally with the back and then this gentleman here. my name's as you saw as june. i on the british or we will except 3 han and my question from many in that we will die us for we have not been allowed complex with our families at times. isn't that we,

we're also, i'm susan since 2017 van chinese government stopped the detaining more than $2000000.00 plus where you goes into their hi. thank start with those us infection camps. my question to you, sir. what's the chinese government trying to hide from us? second. okay. but why cons be, why come it would be most talk freely if it's all families okay. or another yet another we got so many week is the same story. the same questions, i'm always very happy to see wherever i go. a wiggle puzzle. because i do can see the wiggles as my brothers and sisters on one condition. the hobby is not the real story. if your actual brothers and sisters are about one on one on one conditions, all wiggles need to acknowledge that she and joan is part of china. that's a big precondition. if you do not accept the precondition to hold on,

you are not my brother also seldom. so he come, that's fine. you don't have to be brothers and sisters but kind of don't talk to his family. it depends on where your family is. there are indeed a way goals separatists, who are wanting to promote separatism of wiggle part of the people who are not separate. yeah. disappear and seeing jennifer into used to mind this time. this will never happen. listen to this, call your friends, just stick to the one china policy. it just wants to talk on the phone to a family member. oh, my mother, my mother. my mother. yes. one china policy. so for bridges being part of china, victor here is do you have no harm to see this amount of calls between 82 year old mother? now here's the deal. i wish your mother is here in this hall talking to you and then why don't you let her go? so then she maybe she could bump them on one condition in china. 0 tolerance of any

separate has to be a 2 year old hole in the threat to china. what is that? sorry about china? i hope she's not a separatist, but if use a separate is she will be dealt with by law. peer, it a big job before we finish. i have one question for you. we're in the okay. when conway, old historic free speech society, could we do a show like this? could i interview you like this? great 100 company on a panel like this in beijing and say the beijing international conventions that we do show like this audience members freely asked questions, your take questions from everyone. no one's vetted. no one's threatened. can we do this? and basically, maybe if you ask me to line up all the support, you will do that. really, i can assure you, i'm not sure what every audience member gets to speak freely. no one comes up with a house often with so many european countries. you do not need a visa to go to china, pick up your luggage. no, no, i have tickets. i'm not asking for the other thing because i'm not asking for it is to come. i'm saying could have chinese audience turn up and also whatever they want,

criticized cj in being criticized the government, ask you questions, talk about we goes, could you do invasion? many in china don't criticize our president. we couldn't do this all the less. you're glad you're on the positive constructive proposal to bake from the horses from the valve. don't criticize and this is not the only goal cuz it would cause the reason being purpose is a goal. it'll be a better free speech. free speech is a goal. we cherish on the show, i'm glad to of offered you a platform for speech free speech. i wish you could offer me one back big to go. thank you for your time. thank you to the audience in conway whole. and thanks to everyone at home for watching this episode of head to the smitty, his son goes head to head with his really historians that he morris. the jews were

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