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right, and it saying i believe was right, and it doesn't sound as if downing street were rejecting that article, they were rejecting that article, they were requiring some rephrasing in places, which means they much have approved the rest of the article, so i don't have a problem with that, i think it is time to challenge the police, really time to challenge them. there arejob police, really time to challenge them. there are job as not to police causes, therejob is to keep us all safe. and what do you make about the return of david cameron, did you ever expect to see him back in a big governmentjob? m0. ever expect to see him back in a big government job?— government “ob? no, and as i said, it is all government “ob? no, and as i said, it is an very — government job? no, and as i said, it is all very fine _ government job? no, and as i said, it is all very fine he _ government job? no, and as i said, it is all very fine he has _ government job? no, and as i said, it is all very fine he has now- it is all very fine he has now managed to take votes away from suella and that was a clever move, but i don't actually think he is the best choice as foreign secretary and if you look at the statement he has issued if you can bear to read it all because it goes on and on and
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on, it is all about himself and how wonderful he is, and he made a total mess of the eu referendum, including the negotiations with europe that preceded it, and yet this is the man thatis preceded it, and yet this is the man that is now in charge of the foreign office. i've got very serious doubts. all i can say and i have said it before is that i am very glad that i found the courage to leave the conservative party when i did, because i certainly would be leaving now. did, because i certainly would be leaving "ow-— did, because i certainly would be leaving nova— leaving now. and you are course observed in _ leaving now. and you are course observed in the _ leaving now. and you are course observed in the foreign - leaving now. and you are course observed in the foreign office, i leaving now. and you are course | observed in the foreign office, in the home office, i should say, pardon me, before. what advice would you be giving to james cleverly right now? i you be giving to james cleverly right now?— you be giving to james cleverly riaht now? ., �* ~ , right now? i don't think he needs much advise. _ right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i— right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think _ right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think he - right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think he is - right now? i don't think he needs much advise, i think he is a - right now? i don't think he needs| much advise, i think he is a sharp individual. he handled his previous brief very well under extremely difficult circumstances. so i don't think he needs advice. but the crucial thing i would say is that the nation is waiting for delivery. don'tjust the nation is waiting for delivery. don't just tell as you the nation is waiting for delivery. don'tjust tell as you are going to stop the boats, suella has been telling us that for years, just do
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it. telling us that for years, 'ust do it. , ., , ~ ., telling us that for years, 'ust do it. focus on delivery. and what do ou think it. focus on delivery. and what do you think in _ it. focus on delivery. and what do you think in terms _ it. focus on delivery. and what do you think in terms of _ it. focus on delivery. and what do you think in terms of these - you think in terms of these appointments as we go into what is effectively the starting gun for next year's general election? well, i mean, next year's general election? well, i mean. that _ next year's general election? well, i mean. that is— next year's general election? well, i mean, that is what _ next year's general election? well, i mean, that is what this _ next year's general election? -ii i mean, that is what this reshuffle is about, is about the team that is going to take us into the general election. but what we are going to have now is the fallout over the next few days, the fallout of sacking suella, the fallout of appointing david cameron because there will be quite a big fallout in one section of the party, and rishi is going to have to deal with that. and that is going to be the real test, the test is not the appointments he is making this morning, the test will be how he deals with the fallout, and i think there will be quite a big one. former conservative minister ann widdecombe. talking about what she saysis widdecombe. talking about what she says is the fallout from these appointments. to discuss that
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further, i am joined appointments. to discuss that further, iamjoined by appointments. to discuss that further, i am joined by kitty donaldson, the uk political editor for bloomberg news. i'm sure you are listening to what ann widdecombe had to say. what do you think will be the fallout from these new appointments?— the fallout from these new a- ointments? ~ , , ., ,. ., appointments? absolutely fascinating what ann widdecombe _ appointments? absolutely fascinating what ann widdecombe was _ appointments? absolutely fascinating what ann widdecombe was saying. i appointments? absolutely fascinating i what ann widdecombe was saying. and absolutely, i think she speaks for quite a few of the right of the party who are furious at what rishi sunak has done to suella braverman this morning, i understand people are gathering in groups in westminster thinking about what they can do and react. some of the reaction has been quite muted on twitter and on the news channels, but behind the scenes, i think things are not restful for the but behind the scenes, i think things are not restfulfor the prime minister, let's put it that way. and minister, let's put it that way. and what do you _ minister, let's put it that way. and what do you think was the motivation behind the bringing back of david cameron? i think almost everyone i
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have spoken to this morning on bbc news who covers westminster was pretty surprised by it. what do you think the motivation was, how will this change the game for him? i think you've got to remember that all these people in rishi sunak�*s office and himself, he is 43, he came of political age when david cameron was in charge and i think it harks back to a kind of golden era where george osborne and cameron were kings of all they surveyed and they are trying to grasp onto that it was a bit and hope it will change the fortunes with the electorate next year. i'm not sure that is a gamble that will pay off, actually. david cameron is a divisive figure, he carries a lot of baggage with him. noticeably a brexit of course. he was the guy that took us out of the eu, he campaigned not to. and he is also carrying baggage about the company he lobbied for on behalf of them are lobby the government on
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behalf of. and it's interesting in the party also from a party management perspective. lots of tory mps going round this morning saying, what is wrong with me? why can't i be appointed or surely you must have some talent that we don't need to make someone appear to bring them back and why is the prime minister not using the talent in the house of commons already? so that is another fallout, if you will. it is very much a statement of intent on behalf of the prime minister. he is saying in the clearest possible terms, i am stamping my authority on the party, this is the first reshuffle he has been able to do in his own image, and trying to make a break with what happened last week with suella braverman's attacks on the police and attacks on the marchers. and also, by bringing back david cameron, heat that sort of modernist, cameron centrist view and thatis modernist, cameron centrist view and that is what ann widdecombe said, it
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will upset a lot of people in the right of the party. but will upset a lot of people in the right of the party.— will upset a lot of people in the right of the party. but to many who are sunporters _ right of the party. but to many who are sunporters of — right of the party. but to many who are supporters of mr— right of the party. but to many who are supporters of mr cameron, - right of the party. but to many who are supporters of mr cameron, thisj are supporters of mr cameron, this is a very smart move by the prime minister, not least because david cameron has international recognition. he has experience in foreign affairs, he has travelled to many of the countries that the uk needs to strengthen its alliances with and will continue to keep good alliances with, so many would say this is actually a very smart move. yes, you can absolutely argue it that way. he clearly has international experience, he is a recognisable figure, he is one of these elder statesman types. yes, absolutely, you could argue it that way and probably when he goes round—the—world, he will probably be able to get the meetings. but his sort of foreign policy stance has already raised eyebrows in the tory party, people like iain duncan smith... china hook say his view on relation to china is out of date. if you remember back to when he was
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drinking a pint in the pub in oxfordshire with the chinese premier and heralding the golden age of uk and heralding the golden age of uk and chinese relations. things have changed quite a lot since those days and the tory party have become more sceptic and he might face a battle is within his own party even as he says he builds bridges abroad. kiting says he builds bridges abroad. kitty donaldson, from _ says he builds bridges abroad. kitty donaldson, from bloomberg, thank you forjoining us. and kitty's sentiment really will bring true across westminster today. some people will be happy with the changes that rishi sunak has made at the top of his government. but there are of course many others who will see this as a big disappointment. we are starting to get reaction from some conservative mps who share both of those different viewpoints. suella braverman was sacked this morning, that triggered the changes at the top of government and some of these great offices of state. and we
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did hear a very brief statement from suella braverman this morning. she said she is expected to release a statement or will speak further later in due course, she said. so we are waiting to hear what comes next when it comes to suella braverman. she is a politician who is no longer in front line government. but she remains an mp and she has a huge wing of support in the conservative party and amongst the rank and file. and there are many who say she has big political ambitions and one day, perhaps could lead a conservative party. let's take a look at her rise in politics. my colleague helen catt. she's the daughter of migrants who put taking a tough line on immigration at the centre of her agenda as home secretary. suella braverman inherited the government's flagship policy of sending illegal arrivals
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to rwanda, but it's one she wholeheartedly embraced. she was also a leading voice pushing for curbs on all migration and was prepared to say bluntly what she believed. where individuals are being persecuted, it is right that we offer sanctuary. but we will not be able to sustain an asylum system if, in effect, simply being gay or a woman or fearful of discrimination in your country of origin is sufficient to qualify for protection. originally given the job of home secretary by liz truss, six weeks later, ms braverman was out of the picture. she'd broken the ministerial code by e—mailing a document to someone who shouldn't have seen it and she resigned. when the new prime minister rishi sunak reappointed herjust a week later, it was controversial. was his home secretary right to resign last week for a breach of security? the home secretary made an error ofjudgment, - but she recognised that, she raised the matter- and she accepted her mistake. ms braverman stayed, popular with the right of the party, but there were increasing concerns about her choice of language.
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the wind of change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust, compared to the hurricane that is coming. she clashed with the metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, over pro—palestine protests in london and caused a backlash when she said sleeping rough in tents was sometimes a "lifestyle choice". suella fernandes. it was in 2015 that ms braverman, then suella fernandes, first entered the commons. a brexiteer, she quit as brexit minister over concerns about theresa may's version of the withdrawal agreement. but laterjoined the cabinet as borisjohnson's attorney general. and in 2021, she became the first cabinet minister to take maternity leave, after a change in the law was rushed through to allow it. she never hid her ambition, though, for the topjob. asked if she would run for leader
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here before her boss had actually resigned. i'll be straight with you, robert, yes, iwill. in the resulting contest, she came sixth, but suspicions swirled that her punchy style was, in part, about setting the ground for another run. it's the guardian—reading, tofu—eating, wokerati, dare i say, the anti—growth coalition that we have to thank for the disruption that we are seeing on our roads today. for now, suella braverman will return to the backbenches. it seems unlikely, though, that she'll do it quietly. helen catt, bbc news, westminster. of course, it was the sacking of suella braverman by my name occurred this morning that triggered a very interesting and surprising day here interesting and surprising day here in downing street. we saw former prime minister david cameron walk up the street here to a much surprise amongst many here in westminster. and he is now back in front line
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politics. he is the british foreign secretary. i don't think many people saw that coming. he is replacing james cleverly, who was foreign secretary. he has now moved to the home office to replace suella braverman. there have been other moves as well in politics. some ministers who have also said they won't be staying in their roles after the next general election. to discuss this in a bit more detail, i'm stilljoined by my colleague ione wells in downing street. the sun has come out a bit, it has been a cold morning. what reaction has there been know that this news has sunkin there been know that this news has sunk in across westminster, are we hearing from more mps about their view with this reshuffle? taste hearing from more mps about their view with this reshuffle?— view with this reshuffle? we are, indeed. certainly _ view with this reshuffle? we are, indeed. certainly the _ view with this reshuffle? we are, indeed. certainly the main - view with this reshuffle? we are, i indeed. certainly the main reaction so far has been to the appointment of david cameron as foreign secretary. among lots of conservative mps, this has been quite welcome to. we have heard from big high—profile mps like the former prime minister theresa may
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congratulating him on his appointment. also the former cabinet minister andrea leadsom hasjust tweeted saying, it is a vital moment for our country and the world and david cameron's knowledge and experience as well his contacts will be greatly valued. a nod to how well—known he will be across the world in his new brief, given he was prime minister and had to engage in lots of diplomatic relations in that role previously. it hasn't gone down with everybody. another andrea on the conservative side, andrea jenkyns, who was a loyal boris johnson supporter, has criticised the move. criticised the sacking of suella braverman in particular, saying that rishi sunak is in her words giving into the left. i think she is clearly one of the figures on the right—wing of the conservative party who may well be unhappy with this decision to sack suella braverman. the big question now will be, whether she go next and how to her supporters coalesce around her? ione wells, thank you forjoining us this morning. we are going to say
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goodbye to viewers watching us on bbc two, but there is full coverage for you on the bbc news website. if you are staying with us here in bbc news, we are of course reporting live from downing street on what has been a very busy morning in british politics. it began with the sacking of home secretary suella braverman. a sacking which was widely anticipated, but this morning, rishi sunak did the deed. that led to a vacancy at the home office and james cleverly, who was until this morning foreign secretary, has moved into that post. and the new foreign secretary is quite the surprise, former british prime minister david cameron, who makes a remarkable return to front line politics. let's have a listen to what james cleverly had to say when he was in his new office or home office earlier this morning. it
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office or home office earlier this morninu. ., , office or home office earlier this morninu. .,, , office or home office earlier this morninu. ., , ., morning. it has been a huge privilege _ morning. it has been a huge privilege to _ morning. it has been a huge privilege to serve _ morning. it has been a huge privilege to serve as - morning. it has been a huge privilege to serve as foreign secretary and in that time, i worked very closely with my colleagues in the home office, cracking down on illegal migration, reducing the number of small boats arrivals. and now is a home secretary, i'm absolutely committed to stopping the boats as we promised. also making sure that everybody in the uk feel safe and secure going around, going about their daily business, knowing that the government is here to protect them. so it is a fantastic job and it is a real privilege to serve, thank you very much. and job and it is a real privilege to serve, thank you very much. and you want to distance _ serve, thank you very much. and you want to distance yourself _ serve, thank you very much. and you want to distance yourself from - serve, thank you very much. and you want to distance yourself from the i want to distance yourself from the rhetoric of the previous home secretary?— rhetoric of the previous home secreta ? ~ ., ., , secretary? well, i intend to do this 'ob secretary? well, i intend to do this “0b in the secretary? well, i intend to do this job in the way _ secretary? well, i intend to do this job in the way that _ secretary? well, i intend to do this job in the way that i _ secretary? well, i intend to do this job in the way that i feel— secretary? well, i intend to do this job in the way that i feel best - job in the way that i feel best protects the british people and our interests. i have had a very good conversation with the prime minister, who has made it very clear that he wants us to deliver on our promises, to stop the boats, to
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protect the british people, make sure everybody feels secure in their lives. 50 sure everybody feels secure in their lives. ,, ., sure everybody feels secure in their lives. , ., ., lives. so there you have it, the first remarks _ lives. so there you have it, the first remarks from _ lives. so there you have it, the first remarks from britain's - lives. so there you have it, the | first remarks from britain's new home secretary. and he certainly does have a very challenging intro going forward as he touched on. to discuss that further earlier, i spoke to our home editor mark easton. ~ g ., , , easton. well, james cleverly, famously _ easton. well, james cleverly, famously loved _ easton. well, james cleverly, famously loved being - easton. well, james cleverly, famously loved being foreign| famously loved being foreign secretary. he was suggested as someone who might be a defence secretary, he has a military background and apparently let it be known, you will see marks on the parquet floor in my office if you tried to move me. i don't quite know what his attitude would be to taking on the huge and very complicated brief at the home office. it is complicated right now, he is immediately coming into the arguments about the relationship between the home secretary and the police, the metropolitan police, the
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manner in which they have been policing protests in london. the government has made it clear that they would be interested in trying to give the police more powers to arrest people more quickly who are involved in hate crimes on marches. so that is something that is going to see —— come pretty fast at him, as is of course the rwanda judgment at the supreme court on wednesday morning. that is of course a judgment on a centrepiece of rishi sunak�*s government. and indeed, it has been for the conservative government for some time. and we don't know which way it is going to go. butjames cleverly don't know which way it is going to go. but james cleverly is don't know which way it is going to go. butjames cleverly is going to have to really get up to speed on all the implications of that win or lose. he also has to deal of course with the asylum system, which is in a terrible state, with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people
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stuck in the system, many, as your viewers will no, in huge —— in hotels at huge cost. in fact, one of the plans to try and relieve pressure on the asylum system was to use a former raf base at wethersfield near braintree in essex to how i think about 1700 single men. now, that happens to be in james cleverly�*s constituency and he has been quite critical of the plans to do that. he is now going to be in charge of that policy. so that is going to be interesting to have to deal with. and as we have been discussing earlier today, crime and punishment are a central part of rishi sunak�*s salter priorities as seenin rishi sunak�*s salter priorities as seen in the king's speech as we head for an election probably next year. —— rishi sunak�*s priorities. the home office will be front and centre
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of everything the government is doing over the next 12 months. and it is going to be a really difficult brief forjames cleverly. it is something he hasn't got an enormous amount of experience in this area. he has generally been either working for the party in the foreign office, he was secretary of state for education for a few months at the end of the borisjohnson premiership. but he has never really shown a huge amount of interest in the home affairs brief. so it will be interesting to see what kind of home secretary we get.— be interesting to see what kind of home secretary we get. indeed, it will. and home secretary we get. indeed, it will- and of _ home secretary we get. indeed, it will. and of course, _ home secretary we get. indeed, it will. and of course, as _ home secretary we get. indeed, it will. and of course, as you - will. and of course, as you mentioned, a likely general election a year away and some of those policies that you mentioned will be front and centre of any election campaign, including the small boat crossings. campaign, including the small boat crossinus. , , ., crossings. yes, the small boat crisis is something _ crossings. yes, the small boat crisis is something that - crossings. yes, the small boat crisis is something that rishi l crossings. yes, the small boat - crisis is something that rishi sunak has said is one of his key pledges. he is determined to stop the boats. originally, i think it was intended
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to stop the boats this year. well, thatis to stop the boats this year. well, that is not going to happen,, i don't think we have seen tens of thousands coming over on small boats despite all the government's efforts. the government argues it is the rwanda policy that is central to the rwanda policy that is central to the approach that they have been taking to undermine the business case of those people bringing migrants across the channel. and where that to be given the green light by the supreme court, that will see a very significant change, they believe, in the number of boats coming over —— and where that. david cameron as foreign secretary will be in part responsible for dealing with theissues in part responsible for dealing with the issues around the brexit arrangements with the eu. and he famously was the man who fought to remain. so that is quite an interesting point in terms of the reshuffle. but in terms of the home
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office, i think absolutely, james cleverly is going to be a fascinating appointment. i think he has only been mentioned in the last few days. it is not an appointment he has clearly been seeking, he was very happy at the foreign office, but he has been gazumped by david cameron. ~ .,, ., ., but he has been gazumped by david cameron. ~ ., ., ., ., cameron. mark easton our home editor with his take — cameron. mark easton our home editor with his take on — cameron. mark easton our home editor with his take on the _ cameron. mark easton our home editor with his take on the challenges - with his take on the challenges facing britain's new home secretary, james cleverly. james cleverly was in the foreign office until this morning and now the new foreign secretary is, as we have been reporting all morning, david cameron, the former british prime minister. there has been some reaction to his appointment. let's listen to transport secretary mark harper. i listen to transport secretary mark harer. ., , listen to transport secretary mark harer. ., ., �*, harper. i was in david cameron's government. _ harper. i was in david cameron's government. i— harper. i was in david cameron's government, i was _ harper. i was in david cameron's government, i was his _ harper. i was in david cameron's government, i was his chief - harper. i was in david cameron's. government, i was his chief whip. harper. i was in david cameron's - government, i was his chief whip. he is a fantastic team player, the prime minister has brought him into to strengthen the team at a time when foreign affairs are incredibly important with what is going on in ukraine, with the conflict in the middle east, i think having a really experienced player at the top table
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is a good move and i look forward to working with him in the months to come. pm working with him in the months to come. �* ,, . working with him in the months to come. ~ ,, ., �* ., ., working with him in the months to come. ,, ., �* ., ., working with him in the months to come. ~ ,, ., �* ., ., come. an suella braverman sacked as home secretary _ come. an suella braverman sacked as home secretary this _ come. an suella braverman sacked as home secretary this morning, - come. an suella braverman sacked as home secretary this morning, as - come. an suella braverman sacked as home secretary this morning, as was| home secretary this morning, as was possibly expected. again, what is your reaction to that? lots of people on the right of the conservative party are not very happy now. rishi sunak will have a problem on his hands keeping a right of the party on side? the problem on his hands keeping a right of the party on side?— of the party on side? the prime minister today _ of the party on side? the prime minister today is _ of the party on side? the prime minister today is strengthening | of the party on side? the prime i minister today is strengthening his team and i think the important thing is to focus on which all work as a team and government delivering the prime minister's agendas and priorities, those other countries —— country's priorities and it's important we all work together. those are the changes he's making today, i welcome the appointments he has announced, we will see more of them later on today, but it is about strengthening the team and delivering the prime minister's priorities, that is what is important and priorities, that is what is importantand i'm priorities, that is what is important and i'm sure the conservative parliamentary party will rally behind and make those arguments in the months to come and make those arguments for the
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country. make those arguments for the count . �* , , , ., make those arguments for the count. , ., ., country. let's bring you up-to-date with the movements _ country. let's bring you up-to-date with the movements of _ country. let's bring you up-to-date with the movements of the - country. let's bring you up-to-date with the movements of the prime l with the movements of the prime minister this morning. because he has returned to downing street in the last half an hour or so. earlier, he had left number 10 and headed to parliament. and we believe headed to parliament. and we believe he was in the parliamentary offices to tell ministers that they were moving on. so effectively, to sack them. and of course, we will keep you up—to—date on all the announcements as they happen. but of course, the main one that triggered everything is the change at the home office, the sacking this morning by mr sunak of suella braverman after a weekend of speculation that it was inevitable after the article that she wrote in the times newspaper criticising the met police. but of course, suella braverman has been at the centre of a number of controversies and she has weathered those storms. but this morning, she did not. and she has now been replaced byjames did not. and she has now been replaced by james cleverly, did not. and she has now been replaced byjames cleverly, the former foreign secretary, who has
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moved to the home office. earlier, i spoke to claire pierce, a former special adviser at the home office, to get her reaction to this morning's news.- to get her reaction to this morning's news. to get her reaction to this morninu's news. ~ , ., , ., morning's news. well, this has not been the start _ morning's news. well, this has not been the start to _ morning's news. well, this has not been the start to a _ morning's news. well, this has not been the start to a monday - morning's news. well, this has notl been the start to a monday morning morning's news. well, this has not i been the start to a monday morning i think any of us expected. we thought the reshuffle was going to come today, i don't think many of us saw it coming before 9am. but it is a significant start, with suella braverman being the top casualty of the day. and also, that reintroduction of david cameron back into the government, i think that this is signs of a pretty major reshuffle, whereas before, we have only seen something that tinkers around the edges. so this is a really big shake—up of the top team around the prime minister heading towards another general election. and what you think the mood is likely to be in the home office right now?— right now? well, it is always difficult when _ right now? well, it is always difficult when you _ right now? well, it is always difficult when you lose - right now? well, it is always difficult when you lose a - right now? well, it is always - difficult when you lose a minister or a home secretary, the department
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has to get used to the new person coming in. buti has to get used to the new person coming in. but i think thatjames cleverly is a very good person to have in the home office. he is a conciliatory person with the members of the party on the backbenches. so i think this is very, very sensible. it will be quite interesting to see if other positions will be reshuffled or he keeps the team that is currently there. so i think throughout the day, we will see whetherjunior positions are going to, on offer and what shape the team will be in by the end of the day. but i do think it is a very sensible person to have heading up the home office. just person to have heading up the home office. , , person to have heading up the home office, , ., , ., office. just remind me, who did you advise when — office. just remind me, who did you advise when you _ office. just remind me, who did you advise when you are _ office. just remind me, who did you advise when you are at _ office. just remind me, who did you advise when you are at the - office. just remind me, who did you advise when you are at the home i advise when you are at the home office? i advise when you are at the home office? ., , advise when you are at the home office? . , ., , ., office? i was the adviser to caroline — office? i was the adviser to caroline noakes, _ office? i was the adviser to caroline noakes, the i office? i was the adviser to i caroline noakes, the minister for caroline noakes, the ministerfor immigration under amber rudd. taste immigration under amber rudd. we believe that three of those who have died were children. and there is at least one other person, an adult,
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who remains unaccounted for. this is truly a terrible incident, the loss of so many lives will cause unimaginable distress to the family and friends and the communities of all those involved. i and friends and the communities of all those involved.— all those involved. i want to ex - ress all those involved. i want to exoress my _ all those involved. i want to express my sincere - all those involved. i want to i express my sincere condolences all those involved. i want to - express my sincere condolences on behalf of myself and the wider metropolitan police service. i know that people across the country will be shocked and saddened by this terrible event last night. everyone will want to know why this tragedy occurred and we will be working tirelessly with our colleagues in the london fire brigade to find those answers. at this time, we have an open mind as to the cause of the fire. and i would ask people not to add to that uncertainty by
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speculating. we are receiving advice from specialist officers, who are experienced with major investigations, and this is to ensure that every strand of evidence is gathered and reviewed. the forensic examination will be meticulous and i ask people to be patient whilst we conduct these inquiries. anyone with information should call police on 101 or contact crimestoppers, who are completely anonymous. there will be extra officers patrolling to provide support at a time when our communities will be overwhelmed with the sadness and they will no doubt have concerns at such a tragic loss. thank you very much.
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asi as i mentioned earlier, we are keeping an open mind and we have specialist officers who are investigating to establish exactly what the cause of the fire is. can ou rule what the cause of the fire is. can you rule out _ what the cause of the fire is. can you rule out that _ what the cause of the fire is. can you rule out that fireworks had nothing — you rule out that fireworks had nothing to do with the cause of this? _ nothing to do with the cause of this? so— nothing to do with the cause of this? ., , , ., , , this? so at this stage, this is bein: this? so at this stage, this is being investigated _ this? so at this stage, this is being investigated both i this? so at this stage, this is being investigated both by i this? so at this stage, this is - being investigated both by ourselves and specialist fire officers, i am not ruling anything out, i don't think we are in a position to do that. if we keep an open mind, it is such an early stage and there is an awful lot of work to do. it such an early stage and there is an awful lot of work to do.— awful lot of work to do. it was diwali this _ awful lot of work to do. it was diwali this weekend _ awful lot of work to do. it was diwali this weekend and i awful lot of work to do. it was diwali this weekend and is i awful lot of work to do. it was | diwali this weekend and is part awful lot of work to do. it was i diwali this weekend and is part of the celebrations, _ diwali this weekend and is part of the celebrations, people - diwali this weekend and is part of the celebrations, people do - diwali this weekend and is part of the celebrations, people do havel the celebrations, people do have candles — the celebrations, people do have candles that _ the celebrations, people do have candles that they _ the celebrations, people do have candles that they light _ the celebrations, people do have candles that they light inside i the celebrations, people do have. candles that they light inside their homes _ candles that they light inside their homes could _ candles that they light inside their homes. could you _ candles that they light inside their homes. could you say— candles that they light inside their homes. could you say anything, i candles that they light inside their i homes. could you say anything, are you still— homes. could you say anything, are you still keeping _ homes. could you say anything, are you still keeping an _ homes. could you say anything, are you still keeping an open _ homes. could you say anything, are you still keeping an open mind i homes. could you say anything, arel you still keeping an open mind about that? _ you still keeping an open mind about that? irrat— you still keeping an open mind about that? , ., ., ., ., , you still keeping an open mind about that? ., ., ,, that? just to add to that, this is sub'ect that? just to add to that, this is subject to _ that? just to add to that, this is subject to significant _ that2 just to add to that, this is | subject to significant investigation with the _ subject to significant investigation with the london fire brigade and metropolitan police. we are keeping a very— metropolitan police. we are keeping a very open mind as to the cause of the fire _ a very open mind as to the cause of the fire and — a very open mind as to the cause of the fire and we are making sure we io the fire and we are making sure we go through— the fire and we are making sure we go through very forensically any
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evidence — go through very forensically any evidence currently at the scene. but at the _ evidence currently at the scene. but at the moment, as sean has already articulated, — at the moment, as sean has already articulated, we are unable to confirm — articulated, we are unable to confirm one way or another about what _ confirm one way or another about what the — confirm one way or another about what the cause of the fire was. could — what the cause of the fire was. could you _ what the cause of the fire was. could you give the ages of the children? _ could you give the ages of the children? at— could you give the ages of the children? �* , ., ., children? at this time, i am not able to give _ children? at this time, i am not able to give the _ children? at this time, i am not able to give the ages, - children? at this time, i am not able to give the ages, but i children? at this time, i am not able to give the ages, but when children? at this time, i am not. able to give the ages, but when i children? at this time, i am not i able to give the ages, but when i am in a position to give the ages, i am happy to do so. we in a position to give the ages, i am happy to do so-_ in a position to give the ages, i am happy to do so. we heard about one erson happy to do so. we heard about one person being _ happy to do so. we heard about one person being unaccounted _ happy to do so. we heard about one person being unaccounted for, i happy to do so. we heard about one person being unaccounted for, what| person being unaccounted for, what can you _ person being unaccounted for, what can you tell— person being unaccounted for, what can you tell us — person being unaccounted for, what can you tell us about _ person being unaccounted for, what can you tell us about that? - person being unaccounted for, what can you tell us about that? one i can you tell us about that? one erson is can you tell us about that? one person is an — can you tell us about that? one person is an adult _ can you tell us about that? one person is an adult and - can you tell us about that? person is an adult and we're can you tell us about that?“ person is an adult and we're still trying to account for that person. what about the situation for the firefighters _ what about the situation for the firefighters facing _ what about the situation for the firefighters facing this _ what about the situation for the firefighters facing this blaze? i what about the situation for the i firefighters facing this blaze? the firefighters facing this blaze? firefighters facing this blaze? firefighters who arrived on firefighters facing this blaze?- firefighters who arrived on scene faced _ firefighters who arrived on scene faced a _ firefighters who arrived on scene faced a significant place on the ground — faced a significant place on the ground floor and the first floor. we deployed _ ground floor and the first floor. we deployed ten fire engines and over 70 firefighters to the scene of operations. we deployed breathing apparatus cruised into the building to fight— apparatus cruised into the building to fight the fire and it brought under— to fight the fire and it brought under control by 1:20am. the first fire appliance was on scene within five minutes of mobilisation. tragically, as sean has already articulated, when the breathing apparatus cruise entered the
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property, they discovered five persons — property, they discovered five persons who have sadly been pronounced dead at the scene. just to add _ pronounced dead at the scene. just to add the — pronounced dead at the scene. just to add the thoughts of the london fire commissioner, everyone within the london — fire commissioner, everyone within the london fire brigade to the friends, — the london fire brigade to the friends, family and local community, we are _ friends, family and local community, we are going to have fire crews on scene _ we are going to have fire crews on scene throughout the rest of the day and throughout the week to provide reassurance and answer any questions that the _ reassurance and answer any questions that the local community have absolutely got about this tragic incident — absolutely got about this tragic incident. as i say, we are now working — incident. as i say, we are now working very closely with the metropolitan police to try to ascertain the cause of this fire but at the _ ascertain the cause of this fire but at the moment, that remains unknown. the property itself remains a challenge. the external structural integrity _ challenge. the external structural integrity of the row of terraced houses — integrity of the row of terraced houses assigned, but the internal situation — houses assigned, but the internal situation within the seat of the fire house itself is dangerous and we have — fire house itself is dangerous and we have seen internal collapse within — we have seen internal collapse within the building, that is why we have specialist teams on—site at the moment— have specialist teams on—site at the moment to — have specialist teams on—site at the moment to shore up the internal
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structures— moment to shore up the internal structures of the building

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