that has been invasion of ukraine. that has been pursued on a bipartisan basis. to that extent we should not necessarily assume that lord cameron's presence in the uk cabinet is one that will necessarily have that much impact at home. insofar as what are mr sunak�*s motivations, above all his motivation, which was essentially to remove suella braverman out of the home office and put james cleverly there, who shall we say is rather more careful with his words than his predecessor, he was struggling to deal with a minister who was willing to flout his authority, and a minister who, whatever her support on the backbenches, was pretty much being left high and dry by her ministerial colleagues. the last few days have been full of interviews with a minister after minister refusing either implicitly or explicitly to

give ms braverman their backing, at least as far as her rhetoric is concerned. that is a difficult thing to sustain in government. i think it is probably that that is the principal cause of why we are where we are at. whether or not lord cameron's arrival is that central to the government's battle i'm not sure. ., ., ., sure. you mentioned the departure of suella braverman. _ sure. you mentioned the departure of suella braverman. i— sure. you mentioned the departure of suella braverman. i was _ sure. you mentioned the departure of suella braverman. i was talking - sure. you mentioned the departure of suella braverman. i was talking to - sure. you mentioned the departure of suella braverman. i was talking to a l suella braverman. i was talking to a journalist from the mail on sunday who said there are many loyal conservative voters who do relate to some of the views and comments made by suella braverman. her departure could impact their votes at the next election. what do you make of that? there is some risk some of those

voters might decide they prefer to voters might decide they prefer to vote for reform uk. perhaps we should remember that a government thatis should remember that a government that is 19 points behind in polls the needs to be able to do more than to appeal to core conservative voters. on the issue of immigration the research evidence is that while plenty of people who voted conservative in 2019 are unhappy about the level of immigration, including illegal immigration, that doesn't seem to be something pushing away from the conservatives. the thing is pushing the voters away from the conservatives, including those who voted for brexit in 2016 are the state of the economy, so mr hunt has an absolutely crucialjob. the second is the state of the health service. it may well be we

will discover that the decision to appoint victoria atkins, a new cabinet minister to this crucial post, will be the most crucial aspect of this reshuffle, whether or not miss atkins can improve the health service, get waiting times down and restore confidence in the nhs will be central to the prospects the conservatives have at the next election. in truth that will matter much more together with the autumn statement in a couple of weeks. lord cameron is no doubt importance in his efforts on the diplomatic service but that tends to be not an aspect of politics that is central to the way people decide to vote. sirjohn curtice, bbc polling guru, also from the university of

strathclyde, thank you. people are turning their heads. i'm trying to work out if there is any movement but it looks like there isn't much going on. a police officer outside the door. it's been a day of big movements in downing street. the most significant was seeing former british prime minister david cameron walk up the street this morning. lots of people shocked and surprised to see his return to front line politics. he then left the door at number 10 and crossed to his new office just over the road to the foreign office. he has returned to front line politics and is now the uk foreign secretary. there have been other moves. those moves are on the bbc website. one is the

departure of steve barclay from the department of health, he is no longer health secretary. that role goes to victoria atkins. earlier we heard from steve barclay.- goes to victoria atkins. earlier we heard from steve barclay. happy with our new heard from steve barclay. happy with your new role? _ heard from steve barclay. happy with your new role? 0k. _ heard from steve barclay. happy with your new role? 0k. is _ heard from steve barclay. happy with your new role? 0k. is it _ heard from steve barclay. happy with your new role? 0k. is it a _ heard from steve barclay. happy with your new role? 0k. is it a promotion | your new role? 0k. is it a promotion or a sideways step? looking - your new role? 0k. is it a promotion or a sideways step? looking forward | or a sideways step? looking forward to it. any thoughts _ or a sideways step? looking forward to it. any thoughts on _ or a sideways step? looking forward to it. any thoughts on david - or a sideways step? looking forward | to it. any thoughts on david cameron returnin: ? to it. any thoughts on david cameron returning? very _ to it. any thoughts on david cameron returning? very exciting _ returning? very exciting appointment. _ returning? very exciting appointment. lots - returning? very exciting appointment. lots of. returning? very exciting i appointment. lots of shots returning? very exciting - appointment. lots of shots of returning? very exciting _ appointment. lots of shots of people walkin: appointment. lots of shots of people walking up-and-down _ appointment. lots of shots of people walking up-and-down westminster. walking up—and—down westminster today. that was steve barclay who is no longer in the health role but at the department of environment and rural affairs. to discuss this in more detail i am joined by guto harri, the former director of communications here. he served in 2022 under borisjohnson. always good to talk to you. what do you make of the moves, most notably the

return of david cameron? it’s make of the moves, most notably the return of david cameron?— return of david cameron? it's always nice as pm to _ return of david cameron? it's always nice as pm to pull _ return of david cameron? it's always nice as pm to pull something - return of david cameron? it's always nice as pm to pull something out - return of david cameron? it's always nice as pm to pull something out ofl nice as pm to pull something out of a hat and he has blindsided almost everyone. it is interesting appointment, there are many downsides, he is associated with the past, austerity, brexit, some people hate him for calling the referendum and losing the campaign. others for campaigning against the outcome they wanted and got. what is undeniable is this is now a cabinet of real heavyweights. when you think of the variations in cabinet we have had over the last few years you have in the top of state people who are recognised for their experience, for their ability, for there intellectual calibre. nobody can say this is a lightweight top end of the

cabinet. what i think it signals is not a rishi sunak, perhaps belatedly as some people would have found it in his own party, is getting a grip and saying we have to govern this united kingdom, we are not giving up on governing and neither on the next election. this is a signal they are prepared to fight for that, not just squabble and then fight for the spoils of leader of the opposition which is what it has looked like for quite a while. which is what it has looked like for quite a while-— quite a while. henri anier i described _ quite a while. henri anier i described it _ quite a while. henri anier i described it earlier- quite a while. henri anier i described it earlier as - quite a while. henri anier i described it earlier as a - quite a while. henri anier i l described it earlier as a retro cabinet and there are quite a lot of names who are close to david

cameron. what do you make of that? some would say the party has evolved since david cameron was in power and it's time to move forward. it since david cameron was in power and it's time to move forward.— it's time to move forward. it has. lookin: it's time to move forward. it has. looking at _ it's time to move forward. it has. looking at rishi _ it's time to move forward. it has. looking at rishi sunak, - it's time to move forward. it has. looking at rishi sunak, he - it's time to move forward. it has. looking at rishi sunak, he is - it's time to move forward. it has. looking at rishi sunak, he is a i looking at rishi sunak, he is a generational change, a man with roots abroad and an education on the west coast of america and a profound understanding of tech and global finance. in many ways it is odd when you have that quite interesting, progressive generational change at the top of the conservative party, to go back to the past, if you like. if you look across the cabinet with the recent appointment of claire coutinho in energy and then victoria atkins today, you have a balance of experience and very able young people in cabinet. if you were a head hunter coming up with a cabinet thatis head hunter coming up with a cabinet that is balanced with people who

cover each other�*s weaknesses, you now have rishi sunak�*s youth covered by david cameron's age. another interesting thought, michael heseltine pointed this out, there was a period when the conservative party was not moving on to the next generation, not progressing. but seemed to be in the hands of the slightly mad people who were at the extremes of politics and flirting with even further extremes of british politics. what you have now are people who are very mainstream. you may find in parts of the country they find him a bit tame, stuffy and a bit old school but they look like the sort of cabinet that we are used to. this looks like a grown—up politics again. to. this looks like a grown-up politics again.—

to. this looks like a grown-up politics again. there were many eo - le i politics again. there were many people i spoke _ politics again. there were many people i spoke to _ politics again. there were many people i spoke to here - politics again. there were many people i spoke to here in - politics again. there were many people i spoke to here in the i people i spoke to here in the morning in downing street and beyond who were surprised to see the return of david cameron. you are still connected in conservative circles. surprised? i connected in conservative circles. surrised? ., , connected in conservative circles. surprised?— connected in conservative circles. surrised? a , surprised? i was. as somebody the same are surprised? i was. as somebody the same age as _ surprised? i was. as somebody the same age as him, _ surprised? i was. as somebody the same age as him, it _ surprised? i was. as somebody the same age as him, it is _ surprised? i was. as somebody the same age as him, it is reassuring i surprised? i was. as somebody the | same age as him, it is reassuring to see we don't dismiss people because of age. in the case of david cameron he became prime minister having never held any great office of state because his party had been in opposition. it is interesting he is retrofitting the sort of career most normal people would have had before becoming prime minister. it is surprising it was kept tight. there was not a hint. that speaks to

something else that was lacking last year when i was in number 10, the sense that the party and those at the heart of it in number 10 had the discipline not to leak everything. we were blindsided today by the nature of the decision and what happened. that is a sign this team is tightening its grip, getting better and more professional. i hope what will be offered going forward will be more mainstream, less extreme, a reflection of capable people who do want to put the interests of the uk first over the next year. that would also help their party stand a better chance of

closing the gap with labour ahead of the next general election. figs the next general election. as somebody who worked for boris johnson and understands that sort of wing of the party, where do you think those tory mps who were very loyal to suella braverman will be left? i loyal to suella braverman will be left? ~' �* ., , loyal to suella braverman will be left? ~ ., left? i think boris johnson had su ort left? i think boris johnson had support from _ left? i think boris johnson had support from a _ left? i think boris johnson had support from a large - left? i think boris johnson had support from a large coalition | left? i think boris johnson had i support from a large coalition and one thing that will surprise him is when he delivered a huge majority at the last general election and 365 mps. the last general election and 365 mp5. it the last general election and 365 mps. it is slightly insulting that not one of those mps is worthy of being foreign secretary that you would turn to somebody who has left politics and put him in the house of lords to bring him back. i think the

traditional grown—ups in charge of the conservative party over many decades are reasserting control of that party and what we will see will be more tame, more mainstream, less crazy if you like, but still compared, as you brought up his name, a little less charismatic, less inspired and a little less in's exciting than what borisjohnson had initially promised when he delivered what was the biggest victory for the conservative party in nearly half a century. conservative party in nearly half a centu . ., , . ., conservative party in nearly half a centu . ., , ., century. former director of communications _ century. former director of communications at - century. former director of communications at 10 i century. former director of- communications at 10 downing century. former director of— communications at 10 downing street, guto harri, thank you forjoining us. i'mjoined by senior conservative mp tobias ellwood. good

to have you on bbc news. i don't know if you listened in to what guto harri had to say but let me ask you about the first point he raised, the fact there are many mps who have been overlooked and david cameron has been brought back in and been given a lordship in order to come back to front line politics. what do you make of that? this back to front line politics. what do you make of that?— you make of that? this probably isn't something _ you make of that? this probably isn't something the _ you make of that? this probably isn't something the electorate i you make of that? this probablyj isn't something the electorate is worried about at this point but i hope worried about at this point but i ho -e, , worried about at this point but i ho .e�* , , , worried about at this point but i ho -e, , , , ., worried about at this point but i ho .e�* , , , ., , ., worried about at this point but i hoe , , , ., hope just briefly, what you make some of the _ hope just briefly, what you make some of the other _ hope just briefly, what you make some of the other movements i hope just briefly, what you make some of the other movements in hope just briefly, what you make i some of the other movements in this i'm joined now by senior conservative mp tobias ellwood, very good to have you here on bbc news.

i don't know if you're listening in, but let me ask you about that first point he raised, the fact that there are many mps who have been overlooked, and that david cameron has been brought back in and been given a lordship in order to come back to front line politics. what you make of that? reshuffles are never easy. i do hope, this is something that the electorate is properly worried about at this point, but i do hope there are some pastoral care that is able to look after those people whose lives will be changed abruptly today because of this change in direction. i agree with your last interviewer, this is introducing heavyweights to the front line, and it is a bold and necessary move. it is a change in direction, the introduction of new personalities, an injection of energy and experience, and it helps draw a line under those challenges, difficult headlines from last week. it offers clarity as to where the party will position itself as a centre—right party, a one nation party, more mainstream than when we have won previous elections, appealing beyond our base, and in the area that i've spent a lot of time focusing on, it does introduce a senior heavyweight in the form of david cameron, a respected figure to lead our foreign security policy, at a time when greater global statecraft is required. i'm saying this at the point where the world has turned into a dark corner, threats

are growing, they are more complicated and diverse, and i think david cameron has an important role to play as we increase our statecraft on the international stage. david cameron was a prime minister who left ear after he lost that referendum that he campaigned for to remain. you were a remain as well. there was a lot of people who supported brexit, and part of those constituents in the conservative party are loyal to suella braverman, who may feel a bit cheated by the fact she was sacked today. what you make of that? i think we may need to move on from the referendum itself. it is actually ok to say that you support the result of the referendum, but don't agree where brexit is today, and we should refine that. i tried to have that argument, there is little appetite to discuss list. to go back to 2016, because david cameron is now back in the front line of politics, to try and regurgitate those old arguments when it is seven or eight years later, it is important to recognise where we are today, what is required for today, and i distressed that it is so important that our party changes tack somewhat. a party that governs from the centre right, as we have seen from the past, with disraeli, baldwin, thatcher, and cameron himself. don't forget, the reshuffle has not finished yet, so i'm sure that every aspect of our party will be represented.

our appeal goes way beyond our party base, and we gained more general support of the electorate, and that will help win. i was talking to a journalist from the mail on sunday, who said the views held by suella braverman are held by a large number of loyal conservative voters who now feel they don't have someone speaking up for them at the top table? i understand that, but when parties retreat to their base, whether it be conservatives moving to the right, or a labour moving to the left underjeremy corbyn, you lose general elections because you don't appeal to the centre ground. it is important that we appeal and include our party base, and actually appeal beyond it. the idea that we need to secure the right wing boaters because we are scared of the reform party... the middle of the route as i was been the sweet spot in british politics, and we should remember that as the next election approaches. let me ask you about the move from the foreign office to the home office forjames cleverly. he is seen as a reliable player fans. he has a big job on his hands, because there's been a lot of controversial issues that really meant suella braverman dominated the headlines, not least the small boat crossings, which is a pledge for rishi sunak as we head into the next election? home office is one of the toughestjobs. james cleverly, as you described

yourself, he will bring a measured approach to this very different from his predecessor... those demonstrations haven't gone away. they will be looking at the details of what happened in the last weekend in the future, and i thinkjames cleverly will do an excellentjob there. just briefly, what you make some of the other movements in this in this reshuffle? i think it is fantastic news. we have a lot of work to do. i think it is fantastic news. we have a lot of work to— have a lot of work to do, but i think it is _ have a lot of work to do, but i think it is fantastic _ have a lot of work to do, but i think it is fantastic news. i have a lot of work to do, but i think it is fantastic news. this have a lot of work to do, but i i think it is fantastic news. this is a good day to be a conservative, and i haven't said that for a long while. ,, ., , i haven't said that for a long while. ,, ._ , , i haven't said that for a long while. ,, , , , , while. stay with us very briefly, because they — while. stay with us very briefly, because they have _ while. stay with us very briefly, because they have just - while. stay with us very briefly, because they have just seen i while. stay with us very briefly, because they have just seen a l while. stay with us very briefly, i because they have just seen a tweet from greg hands, the outgoing conservative party chairman. he says he is disappointed to be leaving the job of chairman, and it is now going to richard holden. he said, i was able to choose to go back to trade, able to choose to go back to trade, a job i also love full stop he is clearly disappointed he is not going to be running the conservative's election campaign next year, but do you think you should have stayed on the job? you think you should have stayed on the “ob? . , you think you should have stayed on the “ob? ., , ., the job? that is for the prime minister to — the job? that is for the prime minister to decide _ the job? that is for the prime minister to decide as - the job? that is for the prime minister to decide as to i the job? that is for the prime | minister to decide as to where the job? that is for the prime i minister to decide as to where to put the assets, the personalities, the individual strengths and so forth. i've known greg hands for a very long time. he is well connected with europe and beyond as well. he understands that reef, and has a huge amount of experience. i wish the new chair all the best, but ultimately i think greg will do a brilliantjob in business, and i look forward to working with them, as do other colleagues, i'm sure, on strengthening our place and role on

the international stage, for which he will no doubt play a part. tobias ellwood, thank _ he will no doubt play a part. tobias ellwood, thank you _ he will no doubt play a part. tobias ellwood, thank you very _ he will no doubt play a part. tobias ellwood, thank you very much i he will no doubt play a part. tobias ellwood, thank you very much for. ellwood, thank you very much for sharing your thoughts on a very a busy day for your party. we are still here on downing street. it has been a long and busy day. it all began just before 9am in the morning, where news broke that suella braverman had been sacked as home secretary. then we saw a sight that very few could have predicted a few hours later, the arrival of david cameron, former british prime minister, who walked up the street and went through the back —— the black door, and a few hours later it was announced he was to be the foreign secretary. he was made a lord in that process, so we should now refer to him as lord cameron. in those moves, we also saw that james cleverly left the foreign office to replace suella braverman at the home office. there's been a number of moves. steve barclay has departed as health secretary, thatjob has now gone to victoria atkins. i'm sure i've forgotten some of the other moves of the day, but they are all on the bbc news website. there is a qr code that you can scan to get more information about all the movers and shakers in the top tier of government, and of course the people who have now left. let's get a recap on the day's events, with this report from my colleague, ian watson. these are not library pictures — this really is david cameron in downing street today. he's been given a seat in the lords and a seat at rishi sunak�*s cabinet table as the new foreign secretary. when he left office seven years

ago, he promised this. i will do everything i can in future to help this great country succeed. thank you very much. but remember why he resigned. he called an eu referendum, led the remain campaign and lost, so that was not a foreign policy success. and not so long ago, you wouldn't have bet on rishi sunak bringing back a former prime minister to government. remember at his party conference, he said this about recent leaders. we've had 30 years of a political system that incentivises the easy decision, not the right one. 30 years of rhetorical ambition which achieves little more than a short—term headline. in a statement, david, now lord cameron, said, "we are facing a daunting set of international challenges. though i may have disagreed with some individual decisions, it is clear to me that rishi sunak is a strong and capable prime minister who is showing exemplary leadership at a difficult time. "i want to help him to deliver the security and prosperity our country needs and be part of the strongest possible team that serves the united kingdom and that can be presented to the country when the general election is held." so, while those hatchets have apparently been buried, the home secretary has been axed. this follows her controversial article accusing police officers bias, which was not fully approved by number ten. but for once, suella braverman is not dominating the headlines, a fact that probably has not escaped the prime minister.

and the former foreign secretary becomes the new home secretary. asked if he wanted to distance himself from some of the language she had used, this is what james cleverly said: i intend to do thisjob in the way that i feel best protects the british people, and our interests. i have had a very good conversation with the prime minister, who has made it very clear that he wants us to deliver on our promises, to stop the boats, to protect the british people, make sure everybody feels secure in their lives. rishi sunak was warned that if he sacked suella braverman he would be picking a fight with the right in his own party. his response appears to be, "bring it on," because in david cameron, he's brought back someone best known as a moderniser. now, that may well be an attempt to try to broaden the appeal of his government, but the jaw—dropping appointment is not without risk. some polling suggests that fewer than half of 2019 conservative voters have a favourable opinion of david cameron, while labour says rishi sunak can no longer claim to represent change. the country needs change. i mean, this is not change, bringing back david cameron. it is more tory psychodrama and division. it is not going to fix the fundamental problems facing the country. the reshuffle is continuing, therese coffey has left the cabinet. but critics have labelled the david cameron appointment a dead cat, shorthand

for political distraction. this one is very much alive, and rishi sunak is hoping to breathe new life into his government. to discuss this busy day of developments in british politics, i am joined by developments in british politics, i amjoined by our developments in british politics, i am joined by our political correspondent. it has been quite a day. we have gone through some of the moves, notjust the return of david cameron, to front line politics, but people are talking about. that is probably the one major headline. what is the reaction from the conservative party about this entire reshuffle? i am talking about tory mps you've been speaking to throughout the course of the day. i think there's a lot of surprise, certain the appointment of david cameron. it has been welcomed by a number of figures in the conservative party, the former prime minister theresa may welcoming that announcement. many people see him as somebody both of lots of experience in government, knowing how the ins and outs of government works, but also with a lot of contacts overseas, head start, so to speak, enjoining thatjob as home secretary. there has been some fallout when it comes to another position. there is a lot of wind coming... position. there is a lot of wind coming- - -_ position. there is a lot of wind coming... position. there is a lot of wind cominu... ,., . ., coming... the winds of change in downin: coming... the winds of change in downing street _ coming... the winds of change in downing street expect _ coming... the winds of change in downing street expect it - coming... the winds of change in downing street expect it is i coming... the winds of change in downing street expect it is neverj coming... the winds of change in i downing street expect it is never a sunny street! _ downing street expect it is never a sunny street! there _ downing street expect it is never a sunny street! there has _ downing street expect it is never a sunny street! there has been i downing street expect it is never a | sunny street! there has been some reaction to the changes taking place from the right of the party towards suella braverman's sacking, andrea jenkyns calling it a coup that she has been sacked, and i think there may be more vocal defence, to

dissent in the days to come. the reaction to the sacking of rachel mclean, the housing minister, and housing is a really important brief at the moment. rishi sunak has been under pressure to build more houses by some in his party. labour have made house—building a big pledge of theirs ahead of the next election. she has been sacked and not yet replaced. yet, we have had many housing ministers and in the course of this government where there is a need to build more homes across the country, something both the opposition of acknowledge. what a significant as well as the reaction from cabinet colleagues. kemi badenoch has said she is disappointed to see rachel mclean leaving government. a social media post by michael gove, effectively rachel mclean's boss in the department of levelling up. i5 rachel mclean's boss in the department of levelling up. is she art of department of levelling up. is she part of that — department of levelling up. is she part of that group _ department of levelling up. is she part of that group of _ department of levelling up. is she part of that group of conservative l part of that group of conservative mps that are aligned to suella braverman? that wing of the party?

not so much, but she does have close allies in and around government. she was close to figures like kemi badenoch, michael gove, the person who ran kemi badenoch's leadership campaign went into number ten as well. there is clearly been some disappointment about her being sacked as housing minister, and no announcement yet of who will replace her in such a key role going forward into the next election. what her in such a key role going forward into the next election.— into the next election. what “obs a art into the next election. what “obs apart from i into the next election. what “obs apart from housing i into the next election. what “obs apart from housing have i into the next election. what “obs apart from housing have yeti into the next election. what jobs apart from housing have yet to i into the next election. what jobsl apart from housing have yet to be filled in this free fossil —— in this reshuffle? we filled in this free fossil -- in this reshuffle?— filled in this free fossil -- in this reshuffle? ~ ~ ., ., this reshuffle? we know that nick gibb will be _ this reshuffle? we know that nick gibb will be stepping _ this reshuffle? we know that nick gibb will be stepping down, i this reshuffle? we know that nick gibb will be stepping down, it i this reshuffle? we know that nick gibb will be stepping down, it is l gibb will be stepping down, it is the significant role, schools have been on the agenda a lot for this government where there have been policies around the covid recovery phase or whether it has been recently dealing with strikes and schools —— strikes in schools and

children's education. we do know there has been some otherjunior ministerial shuffling going on. greg hands going back to the department for business and trade as well, he has been replaced in cc ho, for business and trade as well, he has been replaced in cc hq, and has been replaced by richard holden. he has a lot of experience there. he will essentially be the man in charge of trying to turn round those opinion polls, trying to get the conservatives' electoral fortunes back again. conservatives' electoral fortunes back again-— back again. stay with us, our olitical back again. stay with us, our political correspondent. i back again. stay with us, our political correspondent. just | back again. stay with us, our| political correspondent. just a reminder, if you want to know who is in and out, i can't remember it all myself, you can scan the bar code next may, go to the bbc news website, and it is all there for you to take a look at. —— the bar code next to me. i spoke to a conservative commentator who used to work at conservative party headquarters to get her take on today's news.

it feels depressingly like a tactic to avoid talking about the departure of suella braverman, and a failure for the conservative party to live up for the conservative party to live up to the democratic mandate they promised in 2019. david cameron is a big hitter, a well—known politician who has contacts on the international stage, that i find this pretty depressing, and i think it will be very controversial within the conservative party. the only thing that seems to make sense to me about this move is that it suggests an electoral strategy which is pivoting very much from the red wall seats, essentially giving up on those people that the tory party has betrayed, and is pivoting back

towards what we might call the blue wall seats, those seats at the conservative party is in danger of losing to the liberal democrats in the south of the country. so, all in all, i am somewhat less than impressed by all this. we all, i am somewhat less than impressed by all this. we had a oster impressed by all this. we had a poster on _ impressed by all this. we had a poster on earlier _ impressed by all this. we had a poster on earlier who _ impressed by all this. we had a poster on earlier who didn't i impressed by all this. we had a i poster on earlier who didn't think the return of david cameron to the foreign office would make that much of a difference in terms of wooing back voters who may feel a bit disillusioned with the conservative party if the polls are to be believed? i party if the polls are to be believed?— party if the polls are to be believed? ., ., , believed? i agree with him. he was on a few moments _ believed? i agree with him. he was on a few moments ago, _ believed? i agree with him. he was on a few moments ago, and - believed? i agree with him. he was on a few moments ago, and i i believed? i agree with him. he was| on a few moments ago, and i agree that it probably won't make much of a difference, but i suspect this is part of the thinking behind this move, and as i say, it really can't make a difference, because there is a whole element of the populace that have turned to the conservative party at the last election with high hopes that it would be able to deliver on their fruit for brexit

and their promise of levelling up —— their vote for brexit. the conservative party is in any way interested in reaching their particular needs. the idea that somebody... it also seems to be away with the fairies. i suspect that is what lies behind the logic of it. what you make about the other changes today, in particular the departure of suella braverman from the home office? she does have support from a constituency in the conservative party, but also a long rank and file members? she speaks for many people _ rank and file members? she speaks for many people in _ rank and file members? she speaks for many people in the _ rank and file members? she speaks for many people in the country i rank and file members? she speaks for many people in the country who | for many people in the country who feel that nobody else speaks for them. some of those people that lent

them. some of those people that lent the conservative party there wrote backin the conservative party there wrote back in 2019, but there is also a wider population that feel, on immigration and law and order, very reasonable fears that aren't being articulated in mainstream narratives. that is not to say that suella braverman didn't put rishi sunak in a difficult position, because she does appear to have directly flouted his authority in terms of ignoring the pointers that number ten made in terms of her article, and it is very difficult for a prime minister to have somebody in the of state two appears not to not to listen to him, but it is a very technical reason for getting rid of her, and a very unimaginative one, because far greater political gain could have been hard for keeping suella in place and allowing her, if not in more temperate language, to appeal

to that really concerned popular element but don't feel they are being spoken for. i think suella has sometimes been her own worst enemy, because her language has not been as diplomatic as it might be, but if you look at the substance of what she has been saying, in many cases it is not particularly controversial. it is exactly the thing people down the pub will be discussing amongst themselves and at the school gate and on the football pitch, watching their children play football, whatever it might be, and theyjust football, whatever it might be, and they just feel that nobody football, whatever it might be, and theyjust feel that nobody is speaking for them. let they just feel that nobody is speaking for them.- they just feel that nobody is speaking for them. they just feel that nobody is s-ueakin for them. , ., speaking for them. let me “ust ask ou this speaking for them. let me “ust ask you this as — speaking for them. let me “ust ask you this as well, i speaking for them. let me “ust ask you this as well, briefly. i speaking for them. let me just ask you this as well, briefly. what i speaking for them. let me just ask you this as well, briefly. what do i you this as well, briefly. what do you this as well, briefly. what do you think suella braverman is going to be like on the backbenches? do you think she is going to continue to vocalise that particular viewpoint? $5 to vocalise that particular viewpoint?— to vocalise that particular viewpoint? to vocalise that particular view-oint? �* , �* , , , viewpoint? as we've been seeing, she has not been — viewpoint? as we've been seeing, she has not been afraid _ viewpoint? as we've been seeing, she has not been afraid in _ viewpoint? as we've been seeing, she has not been afraid in vocalising i viewpoint? as we've been seeing, she has not been afraid in vocalising it - has not been afraid in vocalising it under the pressure of collecting responsibility. now, to a large extent, shorn of that

responsibility, and it we can expect to hear a great deal more from