tv The Context BBC News November 22, 2023 9:30pm-10:01pm GMT
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sam altman was back as the ceo of openai — a dizzying, whirlwind few days in tech, which surely cements altman's position as one of the foremost figures in artificial intelligence — if he wasn't already. the turning point was an open letter signed by almost all the employees, some 700 of them, demanding his return. hard to imagine how the existing board would prevail if the entire workforce — including some of al's brightest coders — were proposing to walk out the door. the company — which created the popular app chatgpt — says it is also shaking up the board. greg brockman, the co—founder and president, is back. out go two of the board members who called for altman's ouster, and in comes a new chair, the former sales force ceo bret taylor, and someone bryan will know well, the former treasury secretary, larry summers. joining me now is melissa heikkila, who is a senior reporter for al at mit techonolgy review. thank you for coming on the
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back to openai, they are one of the biggest investors in the group. do they have more control now over what they have more control now over what the company does, microsoft? absolutely. i think what this case shows is how much power microsoft has. ultimately, maybe openai's initial mission was to be an debacle or a humanity saving ai lab. but at the end of the day, money always wins and microsoft tends to win. microsoft will likely get seats at the shots, microsoft funds the extremely expensive computing power that openai needs to do its ai research. without microsoft, there is no openai and that is abundantly clear. . , ,, , ~ ., clear. larry summers? does he know an hinu clear. larry summers? does he know anything about _ clear. larry summers? does he know anything about openai? _ that's a good thing to ask. what do ou think, that's a good thing to ask. what do you think, brian? _ that's a good thing to ask. what do you think, brian? i— that's a good thing to ask. what do you think, brian? i think he - that's a good thing to ask. what do you think, brian? i think he knowsl you think, brian? i think he knows management. _
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you think, brian? i think he knows management, that's _ you think, brian? i think he knows management, that's pretty - you think, brian? i think he knows management, that's pretty well, | you think, brian? i think he knows. management, that's pretty well, he knows _ management, that's pretty well, he knows ceos, — management, that's pretty well, he knows ceos, board _ management, that's pretty well, he knows ceos, board members, - knows ceos, board members, structures, _ knows ceos, board members, structures, leaders, _ knows ceos, board members, i structures, leaders, leadership, knows ceos, board members, - structures, leaders, leadership, and ithink_ structures, leaders, leadership, and i think those — structures, leaders, leadership, and i think those are _ structures, leaders, leadership, and i think those are the _ structures, leaders, leadership, and i think those are the things - structures, leaders, leadership, and i think those are the things that - i think those are the things that they“— i think those are the things that they'll be — i think those are the things that they'll be looking _ i think those are the things that they'll be looking for— i think those are the things that they'll be looking for going - they'll be looking for going forward, _ they'll be looking for going forward, you'll— they'll be looking for going forward, you'll have - they'll be looking for going forward, you'll have larry. they'll be looking for going - forward, you'll have larry summers coming _ forward, you'll have larry summers coming in _ forward, you'll have larry summers coming in to— forward, you'll have larry summers coming in to add— forward, you'll have larry summers coming in to add some _ forward, you'll have larry summers coming in to add some structure i forward, you'll have larry summers coming in to add some structure to| coming in to add some structure to this and _ coming in to add some structure to this and hopefully _ coming in to add some structure to this and hopefully some _ coming in to add some structure to. this and hopefully some redundancies where _ this and hopefully some redundancies where you _ this and hopefully some redundancies where you avoid — this and hopefully some redundancies where you avoid this _ this and hopefully some redundancies where you avoid this kind _ this and hopefully some redundancies where you avoid this kind of— this and hopefully some redundancies where you avoid this kind of trauma . where you avoid this kind of trauma in the _ where you avoid this kind of trauma in the future, — where you avoid this kind of trauma in the future, there's _ where you avoid this kind of trauma in the future, there's too _ where you avoid this kind of trauma in the future, there's too much - in the future, there's too much money— in the future, there's too much money at — in the future, there's too much money at stake. _ in the future, there's too much money at stake.— in the future, there's too much mone at stake. �* i. money at stake. beyond the boardroom drama, money at stake. beyond the boardroom drama. there's — money at stake. beyond the boardroom drama, there's this _ money at stake. beyond the boardroom drama, there's this broader _ money at stake. beyond the boardroom drama, there's this broader debate - drama, there's this broader debate about whether openai and the rest of the industry are moving too quickly to properly deploy and commercialise its tools. you work with a lot of these companies on what they do, is there an argument for that? is it moving quicker than the market is ready for? moving quicker than the market is read for? ., , , , , ready for? probably, but remember when the internet _ ready for? probably, but remember when the internet first _ ready for? probably, but remember when the internet first started - ready for? probably, but remember when the internet first started in i when the internet first started in all these — when the internet first started in all these tech _ when the internet first started in all these tech companies - when the internet first started in all these tech companies for i when the internet first started in i all these tech companies for started in the _ all these tech companies for started in the early— all these tech companies for started in the early to— all these tech companies for started in the early to thousands, _ all these tech companies for started in the early to thousands, we - all these tech companies for startedi in the early to thousands, we talked about the _ in the early to thousands, we talked about the good _ in the early to thousands, we talked about the good they _ in the early to thousands, we talked about the good they were _ about the good they were doing, using _ about the good they were doing, using technology _ about the good they were doing, using technology for— about the good they were doing, using technology for all - about the good they were doing, i using technology for all these good things. _ using technology for all these good things. then — using technology for all these good things, then after— using technology for all these good things, then after a _ using technology for all these good
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things, then after a 20 _ using technology for all these good things, then after a 20 year- using technology for all these good things, then after a 20 year bench, we realised — things, then after a 20 year bench, we realised they _ things, then after a 20 year bench, we realised they were _ things, then after a 20 year bench, we realised they were about - things, then after a 20 year bench, we realised they were about the i we realised they were about the bottom — we realised they were about the bottom line _ we realised they were about the bottom line. and _ we realised they were about the bottom line. and i— we realised they were about the bottom line. and i think- we realised they were about the bottom line. and i think the i bottom line. and i think the industry— bottom line. and i think the industry has _ bottom line. and i think the industry has figured - bottom line. and i think the industry has figured out i bottom line. and i think thei industry has figured out they bottom line. and i think the i industry has figured out they are now about — industry has figured out they are now about the _ industry has figured out they are now about the bottom _ industry has figured out they are now about the bottom line - industry has figured out they are now about the bottom line and l industry has figured out they are . now about the bottom line and not good, _ now about the bottom line and not good, so _ now about the bottom line and not good, so they— now about the bottom line and not good, so they are _ now about the bottom line and not good, so they are trying _ now about the bottom line and not good, so they are trying to - good, so they are trying to transition _ good, so they are trying to transition to— good, so they are trying to transition to ai _ good, so they are trying to transition to ai saying i good, so they are trying to transition to ai saying this| good, so they are trying to i transition to ai saying this is good, so they are trying to - transition to ai saying this is the real good, — transition to ai saying this is the real good, "stay— transition to ai saying this is the real good, "stay out _ transition to ai saying this is the real good, "stay out of- transition to ai saying this is the real good, "stay out of our- transition to ai saying this is the real good, "stay out of our way, | real good, "stay out of our way, don't _ real good, "stay out of our way, don't get — real good, "stay out of our way, don't get involved _ real good, "stay out of our way, don't get involved in— real good, "stay out of our way, don't get involved in what we i don't get involved in what we do." but it will— don't get involved in what we do." but it will ultimately be _ don't get involved in what we do." but it will ultimately be about the | but it will ultimately be about the bottom line _ but it will ultimately be about the bottom line. so it's _ but it will ultimately be about the i bottom line. so it's probably moving as fast— bottom line. so it's probably moving as fast as it— bottom line. so it's probably moving as fast as it needs to _ bottom line. so it's probably moving as fast as it needs to for its - as fast as it needs to for its growth and _ as fast as it needs to for its growth and innovation to i as fast as it needs to for its - growth and innovation to take place. but this— growth and innovation to take place. but this is not— growth and innovation to take place. but this is not about doing _ growth and innovation to take place. but this is not about doing good forl but this is not about doing good for society, we — but this is not about doing good for society, we heard that _ but this is not about doing good for society, we heard that argument i society, we heard that argument and the 20005 finding _ society, we heard that argument and the 20005 finding out they— the 20005 finding out they the biggest — the 20005 finding out they the biggest robber baron5. - the 2000s finding out they the biggest robber barons.— the 2000s finding out they the biggest robber barons. "don't get involved in _ biggest robber barons. "don't get involved in what _ biggest robber barons. "don't get involved in what we _ biggest robber barons. "don't get involved in what we do," - biggest robber barons. "don't get involved in what we do," that's i biggest robber barons. "don't get i involved in what we do," that's what the crypto group have said. the binance chief executive, changpeng zhao, has resigned after pleading guilty to money laundering violations. thejustice department said it was requiring binance, the largest crypto—exchange in the world, to pay $4.3 billion in penalties and forfeitures. it said binance had helped users bypass sanctions across the world, nearly $900 million in transactions
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between us and iranian users, it had facilitated millions of dollars in transactions between us users and users in syria, and in the russian occupied ukrainian regions of crimea, donetsk, and luhansk. here's the us treasure secretary janet yellen. binance was allowing illicit actors to transact freely, supporting activities from child sexual abuse to illegal narcotics, to terrorism across more than 100,000 transactions. that includes transactions associated with terrorist groups like hamas's al-qassam brigades, palestinian islamichhad, al-anda, and isis. melissa, this is what people said, this is what they do. it's been proven right! what's amazing about this is that they've let binance continue, they think it's so big, it's become such a behemoth in the
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crypto market that actually shutting it down for everything it's done would be to destructive.- would be to destructive. yeah. laughter _ laughter go on. ., ., �*, laughter goon. ., ., laughter goon. ., . .�* go on. no, i mean, it's crazy. we've 'ust seen go on. no, i mean, it's crazy. we've just seen what — go on. no, i mean, it's crazy. we've just seen what happened _ go on. no, i mean, it's crazy. we've just seen what happened at - go on. no, i mean, it's crazy. we've| just seen what happened at ftx, and ultimately i think it shows that silicon valley has a high threshold for wrongdoing, and that's i think what is suspicious about this openai thing — we don't actually know what's happened, and until we know for sure... so what's happened, and untilwe know for sure... ., i. , what's happened, and untilwe know for sure... ., ,, , ., ., for sure... so for you, they are two sides of the — for sure... so for you, they are two sides of the same _ for sure... so for you, they are two sides of the same coin, _ for sure... so for you, they are two sides of the same coin, but - for sure... so for you, they are two sides of the same coin, but ai i for sure... so for you, they are two sides of the same coin, but ai in i sides of the same coin, but ai in the way crypto has gone, the problem is similar to both industries? definitely, and i think a lot of people from crypto are now moving to ai. so i think everything — there's a lot of snake oil in both industries, especially ai. so anything people in al tend to say, you have to take with a pitcher of
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salt. ., , you have to take with a pitcher of salt. . , ., ., ., , salt. changpeng zhao was the most owerful salt. changpeng zhao was the most powerful person — salt. changpeng zhao was the most powerful person in _ salt. changpeng zhao was the most powerful person in crypto, - salt. changpeng zhao was the most powerful person in crypto, and i salt. changpeng zhao was the most powerful person in crypto, and sam altman was the most powerful in al. so presumably this is the case in london and washington for the tighter regulation of crypto, doesn't it? it tighter regulation of crypto, doesn't it?— tighter regulation of crypto, doesn't it? , ~ doesn't it? it feels like it might well become _ doesn't it? it feels like it might well become that, _ doesn't it? it feels like it might well become that, in _ doesn't it? it feels like it might well become that, in the i doesn't it? it feels like it might i well become that, in the question is, how— well become that, in the question is, how do— well become that, in the question is, how do you do it effectively? and behind that is almost an industry— and behind that is almost an industry that needs to prioritise ethics _ industry that needs to prioritise ethic5 more, and work out how to build _ ethic5 more, and work out how to build that— ethic5 more, and work out how to build that into the talent that'5 taught— build that into the talent that'5 taught of it. and i think it's quite interesting, we just heard that intere5ting, we just heard that money— interesting, we just heard that money win5 interesting, we just heard that money wins for openai, but so does talent _ money wins for openai, but so does talent so— money wins for openai, but so does talent. so it's the people at the heart _ talent. so it's the people at the heart of— talent. so it's the people at the heart of these businesses, the5e tech indu5trie5 heart of these businesses, the5e tech industries that we really need to engage with in relation to their own moral5 to engage with in relation to their own morals and standards, and i think— own morals and standards, and i think within the industry itself, there _ think within the industry itself, there is— think within the industry itself, there is a — think within the industry itself, there is a big debate about how to do that— there is a big debate about how to do that effectively. we there is a big debate about how to do that effectively.— there is a big debate about how to do that effectively. we believe that the are, do that effectively. we believe that they are, melissa, _ do that effectively. we believe that they are, melissa, thanks - do that effectively. we believe that they are, melissa, thanks very i do that effectively. we believe that. they are, melissa, thanks very much for coming on the programme. we will take a short break, stay with us.
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more than 150 rogue iguanas captured in thailand, after officials say they were rampaging through the countryside, raiding farms, and damaging the local environment. the reptiles originate from central and south america, but are becoming increasingly popular as pets in thailand. environmental concerns have been raised over their activities. it's thought many have either escaped or been deliberately released into the wild. the cold—blooded captives, which can grow to more than 1.5 metres long, will be kept at wildlife centres, including one in the north—east of bangkok. translation: overall, - we captured around 200 iguanas. for those who are concerned of what happened after they were captured, we want to show you this place. we are preparing more cages and care by the veterinary team. the department of national parks, wildlife and plant conservation said about 260 people across the provinces have told officials that they own iguanas. that's more than 3,600
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lizards in total. emily brown, bbc news. you're live with bbc news. we are 5a days from the starting line of the 2024 us election — the iowa caucuses — and there has been a development. the evangelical leader vander plaats, has followed iowa governor kim reynolds, and endorsed ron desantis for president. there are two things interesting about that. clearly the republican leadership in iowa doesn't want donald trump — which would ordinarily worry the former president, except the endorsement of the evangelical community in iowa has been something of a poisoned pill. in 2008, they chose mike huckerbee, in 2012, rick santorum, and in 2016, ted cruz — all of them won in iowa consolidating support from evangelicals, but once painted that way they had a hard time broadening their appeal.
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—— mike huckabee. all three of them blew up. the florida governor looks like he is on the same road, he is currently in single digits in new hampshire and south carolina — in fact, nikki haley looks set to eclipse him whatever happens in iowa. and, with abortion a key issue in this election, endorsements like this don't necessarily help win over independents. so why don't the iowa leadership like donald trump? i wonder if it's something to do with this? ia very big hello to a place wherel we've done very well, sioux falls. thank you very much, sioux falls. so, sioux city, let me ask you... one of my favourite clips, had to get that in. what is it about iowa, why are they not going for donald trump?
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why are they not going for donald trum - ? ., . , why are they not going for donald trum? ., ., , , why are they not going for donald trum? ., . , , . ., trump? iowa is very much a nostalgia state. trump? iowa is very much a nostalgia state- they — trump? iowa is very much a nostalgia state. they tend _ trump? iowa is very much a nostalgia state. they tend to _ trump? iowa is very much a nostalgia state. they tend to pick _ trump? iowa is very much a nostalgia state. they tend to pick the _ trump? iowa is very much a nostalgia state. they tend to pick the winners l state. they tend to pick the winners in november, in the general election. _ in november, in the general election, at least for the use to do with bush — election, at least for the use to do with bush. in a lot of the foundation of parts of the republican party, evangelicals playing — republican party, evangelicals playing a huge role in that. and i think— playing a huge role in that. and i think the — playing a huge role in that. and i think the establishment ha5 playing a huge role in that. and i think the establishment has ever been _ think the establishment has ever been supportive of donald trump. certainly— been supportive of donald trump. certainly governor reynolds would never _ certainly governor reynolds would never have been a governor that stepped — never have been a governor that stepped out of the square peg she's in and _ stepped out of the square peg she's in and endorsed someone like donald trump _ in and endorsed someone like donald trump in _ in and endorsed someone like donald trump in 2016. vander plaats would never _ trump in 2016. vander plaats would never have — trump in 2016. vander plaats would never have endorsed someone like trump _ never have endorsed someone like trump in _ never have endorsed someone like trump in 2016, and he didn't. that doesn't _ trump in 2016, and he didn't. that doesn't necessarily guarantee victory, — doesn't necessarily guarantee victory, we've seen a path of failure — victory, we've seen a path of failure for— victory, we've seen a path of failure for those candidates, but iowa _ failure for those candidates, but iowa is — failure for those candidates, but iowa is very much an establishment state, _ iowa is very much an establishment state, especially that evangelical faction — state, especially that evangelical faction. �* , , state, especially that evangelical faction. �*, , ., ., ., faction. it's my favourite place on the campaign. — faction. it's my favourite place on the campaign, iowa, _ faction. it's my favourite place on the campaign, iowa, it's- faction. it's my favourite place on the campaign, iowa, it's freezing| the campaign, iowa, it's freezing cold and you trip someone's front
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room, doilies out with a cup of tea, and potentially a future president walks in to talk to for people. it's great, but i wonder whether it really makes any odds any more to wear the white house goes? it really weans out some _ wear the white house goes? it really weans out some of— wear the white house goes? it really weans out some of the _ wear the white house goes? it really weans out some of the candidates. i weans out some of the candidates. remember, we used to have iowa caucuses, — remember, we used to have iowa caucuses, the iowa straw poll, now that's— caucuses, the iowa straw poll, now that's been— caucuses, the iowa straw poll, now that's been eliminated because it's been viewed as a resource drain. but ithink— been viewed as a resource drain. but i think iowa, — been viewed as a resource drain. but i think iowa, at least with the republican primary, has a terminus amount— republican primary, has a terminus amount of— republican primary, has a terminus amount of influence. the problem you have is— amount of influence. the problem you have is that _ amount of influence. the problem you have is that some of the social and figures _ have is that some of the social and figures and — have is that some of the social and figures and i will look at donald trump — figures and i will look at donald trump in — figures and i will look at donald trump in november2024 figures and i will look at donald trump in november 2024 and say he can'twin, _ trump in november 2024 and say he can't win, and the bass looks up trump _ can't win, and the bass looks up trump in— can't win, and the bass looks up trump in 2024 and says that the polls _ trump in 2024 and says that the polls show — trump in 2024 and says that the polls show he's winning. and that becomes— polls show he's winning. and that becomes the challenge. establishment folks don't want to take another chance — folks don't want to take another chance of— folks don't want to take another chance of losing again, and the base want to— chance of losing again, and the base want to risk— chance of losing again, and the base want to risk it because he's so close, _ want to risk it because he's so close. he's_ want to risk it because he's so close, he's there, and iowa seems to be the _
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close, he's there, and iowa seems to be the first— close, he's there, and iowa seems to be the first place that somebody can try and _ be the first place that somebody can try and stop trump. i don't think try and stop trump. idon't think they— try and stop trump. i don't think they will, — try and stop trump. i don't think they will, i— try and stop trump. i don't think they will, i would say donald trump still has _ they will, i would say donald trump still has a _ they will, i would say donald trump still has a 50 point lead in iowa, but there — still has a 50 point lead in iowa, but there are people who will try to stop him _ but there are people who will try to sto him. , , , but there are people who will try to sto him. , , ., stop him. justine, the rest of the country is — stop him. justine, the rest of the country is not — stop him. justine, the rest of the country is not where _ stop him. justine, the rest of the country is not where this - stop him. justine, the rest of the country is not where this portion | stop him. justine, the rest of the l country is not where this portion of the republican party is, or where speaker mikejohnson is when it comes to abortion. there is a new clip that's appeared today from a radio interview he did last year on abortion after a really heated committee hearing on roe v wade. have a listen. it is truly an american holocaust, and burgess did such a greatjob, he articulated that so well. and their response is to try to ignore it. i i mean, the reality is that _ planned parenthood and all these big abortion — they set up these clinics in inner cities. - you know, they regard these people as easy prey. - look, he's pro—life, buti look, he's pro—life, but i think what is concerning the left—wing media in america is that he's been indicating for some time now that he
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wants to revisit other supreme court decisions, he's notjust satisfied with dog, they should look at contraception and same—sex marriages. that's really scary stuff, and yes, it's on the fringe, but this is leading to the criminalisation of women and doctors across the country at the moment. yes, and i think it's a huge step backwards obviously for gender equality, but also broader rights, lgbt rights as well, if people like this get their way. i think the problem for the republicans is this is an identity politics approach to politics, but the reality is, there is a new generation of americans, do they buy into it? if the answer to thatis they buy into it? if the answer to that is no, and we've seen that whatever the challenges biden faces in terms of his own popularity, we've seen states where people seem to have voted against this kind of
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anti—gender, anti—abortion politics, and it feels to me like it might be what some in the republican party want, but for all the votes it might win inside the party, it loses far more outside. and i think that'll be one of the big questions we face in the presidential election next year. real quick on this? it’s the presidential election next year. real quick on this?— real quick on this? it's a tough issue, i would _ real quick on this? it's a tough issue, i would say _ real quick on this? it's a tough issue, i would say this. - real quick on this? it's a tough | issue, i would say this. speaker johnson — issue, i would say this. speaker johnson comes from louisiana, a very conservative — johnson comes from louisiana, a very conservative part of the country. they— conservative part of the country. they don't — conservative part of the country. they don't ask you what neighbourhood you're from, but what church _ neighbourhood you're from, but what church you _ neighbourhood you're from, but what church you go to. and that's very much _ church you go to. and that's very much his— church you go to. and that's very much his congressional district, so his positions are very much in line with his _ his positions are very much in line with his congressional district, hell— with his congressional district, he'll never admit anything different than that, — he'll never admit anything different than that, just like left—wingers members — than that, just like left—wingers members of congress, their issues tend to _ members of congress, their issues tend to be — members of congress, their issues tend to be a — members of congress, their issues tend to be a lot of those districts. but we _ tend to be a lot of those districts. but we have a diverse amount of issues _ but we have a diverse amount of issues in — but we have a diverse amount of issues in america where we tend to disagree _ issues in america where we tend to disagree on — issues in america where we tend to disagree on. the politics of this gets— disagree on. the politics of this gets difficult and challenging because they're poking party needs to figure _ because they're poking party needs
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to figure out where they stand — i5 to figure out where they stand — is it a six-week— to figure out where they stand — is it a six—week band, 20 week band, is there _ it a six—week band, 20 week band, is there a _ it a six—week band, 20 week band, is there a band? — it a six—week band, 20 week band, is there a band? for30 it a six—week band, 20 week band, is there a band? for 30 years, the party— there a band? for 30 years, the party has — there a band? for 30 years, the party has said this is a states right— party has said this is a states right issue, now it's being kicked back— right issue, now it's being kicked back to _ right issue, now it's being kicked back to the — right issue, now it's being kicked back to the states and these federal politicians _ back to the states and these federal politicians come in and say, "here's our federal— politicians come in and say, "here's our federal ban," they need to figure — our federal ban," they need to figure out— our federal ban," they need to figure out their message. but as for the speaker, we are not at all surprised _ the speaker, we are not at all surprised he's conservative, shreveport, louisiana is a very conservative place.— shreveport, louisiana is a very conservative place. thank you for that. the israeli _ conservative place. thank you for that. the israeli prime _ conservative place. thank you for that. the israeli prime minister's| that. the israeli prime minister's office has set in the last few minutes that the release of hostages will not be before friday. we will get some reaction later to that, so do stay with us for that. now it's time for the panel. we have to make this quick tonight, we have a couple minutes each. a boeing 787 has landed in act
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arctica, really?— boeing 787 has landed in act arctica, really? yes, i think we need to get — arctica, really? yes, i think we need to get ready _ arctica, really? yes, i think we need to get ready for - arctica, really? yes, i think we need to get ready for the i need to get ready for the commercialisation of antarctica. a787— commercialisation of antarctica. a787 early— commercialisation of antarctica. a787 early to land there with about 40 passengers. how a787 early to land there with about 40 passengers— 40 passengers. how did they land, did they prepare — 40 passengers. how did they land, did they prepare a _ 40 passengers. how did they land, did they prepare a runway? - 40 passengers. how did they land, did they prepare a runway? they i 40 passengers. how did they land, i did they prepare a runway? they had to --reare did they prepare a runway? they had to prepare ahead _ did they prepare a runway? they had to prepare ahead of _ did they prepare a runway? they had to prepare ahead of time, _ did they prepare a runway? they had to prepare ahead of time, it - did they prepare a runway? they had to prepare ahead of time, it wasn't l to prepare ahead of time, it wasn't something — to prepare ahead of time, it wasn't something that was easy to set up, there's a _ something that was easy to set up, there's a lot — something that was easy to set up, there's a lot of blue ice involved in there — there's a lot of blue ice involved in there and they have to make some patch _ in there and they have to make some patch works — in there and they have to make some patch works. we've been travelling to antarctica for 100 years and we now have — to antarctica for 100 years and we now have the biggest plane available that can _ now have the biggest plane available that can land there, i think you'll see more — that can land there, i think you'll see more tourism there and i'm excited — see more tourism there and i'm excited about it. i visited 160 countries _ excited about it. i visited 160 countries already and i wanted to go to antarctica next, so it's becoming easier~ _ to antarctica next, so it's becoming easier. �* , ., to antarctica next, so it's becoming easier. �*, ., , , ,, to antarctica next, so it's becoming easier. �*, , ,, ., easier. there's no business for you in antarctica. _ easier. there's no business for you in antarctica, brian! _ easier. there's no business for you in antarctica, brian! you _ easier. there's no business for you in antarctica, brian! you can't i easier. there's no business for you in antarctica, brian! you can't fool| in antarctica, brian! you can't fool me. �* , ., in antarctica, brian! you can't fool me. �*, . ., in antarctica, brian! you can't fool me. �* , . ., ., in antarctica, brian! you can't fool me. e ., ., ., ., ., me. there's a lot of rare earth mineral mining, _ me. there's a lot of rare earth mineral mining, i'm _ me. there's a lot of rare earth mineral mining, i'm sure i me. there's a lot of rare earth l mineral mining, i'm sure there's plenty— mineral mining, i'm sure there's plentyof— mineral mining, i'm sure there's plenty of opportunities.- mineral mining, i'm sure there's
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plenty of opportunities. justine, is it true your _ plenty of opportunities. justine, is it true your headline _ plenty of opportunities. justine, is it true your headline that - plenty of opportunities. justine, is it true your headline that you i plenty of opportunities. justine, is it true your headline that you sent| it true your headline that you sent to me, cats and dogs can stop the ageing process in our brains, really? as i because we talk to them? �* , ., really? as i because we talk to them? �*, ., , ., , ., them? it's a proven fact, christian, them? it's a proven fact, christian, they tested — them? it's a proven fact, christian, they tested out _ them? it's a proven fact, christian, they tested out in _ them? it's a proven fact, christian, they tested out in america - them? it's a proven fact, christian, they tested out in america on i them? it's a proven fact, christian, i they tested out in america on people aged — the quoted late in life, they said it was between 50—100 and i had a big objection to that, to someone whojust over 50. but a big objection to that, to someone who just over 50. but they said if you own a cat, you had a slower rate of cognitive decline over time, and that's because you were more relaxed, you had less stress, and actually your pets were giving you other things to think of than yourself. if you are a dog owner, the fact that you got to give them a walk every day and the extra exercise lead to even slower rates in so go decline. out and get a pet. it stands to region to make a reason, exercise, tick, but also lots of talking. i talked to my dog
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all the time, it's smarter than me, maybe the cognitive decline is set in. lovely to have your company, as always, this evening. if you are justjoining us, that breaking line in the last few minutes, the israeli prime minister's office saying hostages will not be released before friday. that has now been confirmed. stay with us here on bbc news, plenty more to come. thanks for watching, good night. hello from the bbc sport centre. i'm hugh ferris. barnsley have been kicked out of the fa cup for fielding an ineligble player in their replay win over horsham, sending the non—league team through to the second round for only the second time in their history. barnsley won the first round replay 3—0, but have apologised to the club's fans for what they've described as a "regrettable error". although barnsley have
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not named the player, fa rules state only those who are eligible for the initial tie can feature in a replay. and forward aiden marsh was on loan at york city when the first game took place before then starting at horsham last week. the seventh—tier side now go on to play sutton united in round two. we really wanted to get to the second round, but we wanted to do so by having bases. it hasn't worked out that way. sometimes mistakes are made, and this is an unfortunate one. and i really do feel for the club today. but at the end of the day, we are where we are, and as a result of the fa's decision, we've been reinstated. stephen kenny's time as republic of ireland boss is over, after the football association of ireland confirmed it will not be renewing his contract. kenny's deal ended after tuesday night's friendly draw with new zealand. he had been expected to depart after failing to qualify for euro 2024 —
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the fourth major tournament in a row the republic will miss out on. lionel messi says argentina's historic win over brazil at the maracana on tuesday will be "marked by the repression of argentinians" after the game was delayed because of crowd trouble. both sets of players tried to intervene and restore calm after clashes broke out between fans and brazilian police in rio de janeiro. once argentina had inflicted on their rivals a first—ever home qualifying defeat, messi talked of a "great victory" possibly ending in "tragedy" and said the treatment of his team's fans by police "can't be tolerated'. it's "insane and needs to end now." meanwhile, another argentina player rodrigo de paul says the team are shocked that amidst the aftermath of the game. lionel scaloni suggested he might quit as argentina coach. scaloni had his contract extended to the 2026 world cup after they won the trophy in qatar last year. but after five years in the job, he's considering resigning. translation: now something difficult i need to say. - i need to stop the ball and start thinking. i have a lot of things to think
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about during this time. these players have given a lot to the coaching staff, and i need to think a lot about what i'm going to do. it's not goodbye or anything, but i need to think because the bar is very high, and it's complicated to keep going, and it's hard to keep winning. these guys are making it difficult, so i need to think about it for a while. argentina needs a coach who has all the energy possible. holders barcelona came from behind to win their second match in a row in the women's champions league. opponents eintracht frankfurt took the lead late in the first half in germany through laura freigang, butearly in the second barcelona equalised. salma parauelo got that, and the third in a 3—1win. lyon also made it back—to—back victories with a routine win against austrian side st polten. it took just four minutes for danielle van de donk to get last
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season's runners up on their way. an own goal two minutes into the second half made it 2—0 — the record eight—time winners of the champions league are now unbeaten in 19 games across all competitions. great britain start their campaign tomorrow at the davis cup finals in malaga. the team has been hit by injuries and face novak djokovic�*s serbia in their quarterfinal. cameron norrie is the the highest ranked british player, and will likely be tasked with trying to beat the world number one. i thrust think i need to go out, play my cell. obviously he's had an incredible year, he's in huge year, he looks hugely fresh compared to a lot of other players in the tour finals, and the way he was serving was unbelievable, especially in the final. and yeah, no greater challenge in tennis at the moment. to go out and play him. it's always the greatest honour and privilege _ it's always the greatest honour and privilege to be part of the serbian
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cup team, — privilege to be part of the serbian cup team, the davis cup win, it's the most — cup team, the davis cup win, it's the most valuable competition in team _ the most valuable competition in team tennis. we want it back in 2010, _ team tennis. we want it back in 2010, it — team tennis. we want it back in 2010, it was a turning point for all our individual careers. i personally had the _ our individual careers. i personally had the best season of my career in 2011, _ had the best season of my career in 2011, winning 40 plus matches. so it was all— 2011, winning 40 plus matches. so it was all created credit to the davis cup win — was all created credit to the davis cup win, and the feeling and way we were writing after winning. and that's all the sport for now. hello there. there were a number of you that would have woken up to a stunning sunrise in england first thing this morning. we had a sheet of cloud overhead with just a few gaps at the right time to allow those sun rays through to illuminate that cloud sheet. and it really was spectacular. today has been dominated, though, by this warm front,
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bringing milder air, cloudy weather conditions, bit of drizzle here and there. some more persistent rain for the western side of scotland. but of course, that warm front�*s also been bringing much milder air with it. and you can see that in the kind of temperatures that we had across parts of northern england and scotland yesterday, compared with today. well, temperatures have been about seven degrees up. now heading through this evening and overnight, it is going to stay predominantly cloudy for northern ireland, england and wales. we'll continue to see an odd spit of drizzle here and there. no great amounts, but some heavy rain slides southwards across the hebrides and the highlands of scotland in particular. for most, though, it's a mild frost—free night, temperatures staying well up into double figures. but we are going to see a big change through thursday and friday as this cold front pushes its way southwards, introducing some much colder air. it's going to feel like winter has arrived. and that change takes place behind this cold front. this is what's bringing the rain to scotland. that moves southwards, reaching northern ireland and northern england
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through the afternoon. ahead of that you might see 1—2 cloud breaks, so you might see a slightly better chance of seeing some sunshine. but the best of the sunshine will be in the colder air that will be arriving in scotland through the course of the afternoon, where temperatures will continue to drop through the afternoon. it will feel a good deal colder, cold enough for some wintry showers across the northern isles and with some strong winds developing here on friday, we're talking about gusts reaching around 60—70 mph. that's going to make it feel really cold. wintry showers here. 1—2 showers pushing down the north sea coast to affect easternmost areas of england. probably one or two showers coming into parts of norfolk. but for most, it's a much colder day. 6—8 celsius — might be colder, but there will be lots more sunshine to go around. and it's a similar story, really, on saturday. still quite windy, but the winds losing some of their strength. so probably not gales any more for orkney and shetland. we'll still have a few wintry showers here running down into some of the north sea coastal areas. otherwise plenty of sunshine but staying cold. temperatures around 6—8 celsius on saturday.
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tonight at ten — the chancellor delivers a tax—cutting autumn statement — so why is the overall tax burden so high? jeremy hunt cut national insurance and increased pensions and benefits — but we're paying more tax than since the war. still — he defended his record... rather than a recession the economy has grown... rather than falling as predicted, real incomes have risen. our plan for the british economy is working.
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the chancellor claims that the economy has turned a corner. yet the truth is that under the conservatives, growth has hit a dead end. we've been talking to people here in hull and asking them — do they feel better off? also tonight — israel now says the first israeli hostages won't be released until friday at the earliest. negotiations are continuing to free 50 of those being held — mainly women and children — in return for 150 palestinian prisoners — during a four day temporary ceasefire. and a surprise return — sam altman is back as the head of openai — less than a week after he was and on newsnight at 10:30pm, we'll go deeper behind the headlines and speak live to key players on today's big stories. plus, we take a first look at what's on tomorrow's front pages. of the scheme to expand the club?
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