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but we drivers of mass migration. but we should also make it clear that those people coming to the uk should do so through safe and legal roots, —— routes, and that those who put themselves in the hands of people smuggling gangs will not be able to remain in the uk. your country has made a clear and unambiguous commitment to the safety of people who come here. that has been displayed, and we have seen that in practice. you have also made a strong commitment to work with the uk and international partners in order to make sure the robustness of yourjudicial system is clearly on display, and we are very proud to be a long—standing partner in that endeavour. moshiri this meeting today is of
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course marking _ moshiri this meeting today is of course marking a _ moshiri this meeting today is of course marking a particularly i course marking a particularly important part of our relationship, but i would also like to take this opportunity to expand upon the work that we are doing together in terms of your tourism, in terms of your agricultural sector, and in terms of your country pass wider economic development. rwanda has shown itself to be a strong and important partner to be a strong and important partner to the uk, i am very proud of this treaty today and that it amplifies that relationship, and i am very much looking forward to continuing working with you in my new role as home secretary. thank you. applause thank you very much. we will now take questions by the media. one question— take questions by the media. one question per person. mr
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take questions by the media. one question per person.— question per person. mr cleverly, ou are question per person. mr cleverly, you are far— question per person. mr cleverly, you are far from _ question per person. mr cleverly, you are far from the _ question per person. mr cleverly, you are far from the first - question per person. mr cleverly, you are far from the first home i you are far from the first home secretary— you are far from the first home secretary to _ you are far from the first home secretary to head _ you are far from the first home secretary to head here - you are far from the first home secretary to head here to - you are far from the first home secretary to head here to try. you are far from the first home i secretary to head here to try to you are far from the first home - secretary to head here to try to get this proiect— secretary to head here to try to get this proiect up— secretary to head here to try to get this project up and _ secretary to head here to try to get this project up and running. - secretary to head here to try to get this project up and running. what l this project up and running. what makes _ this project up and running. what makes you — this project up and running. what makes you think _ this project up and running. what makes you think this _ this project up and running. what makes you think this time - this project up and running. what makes you think this time it - this project up and running. what makes you think this time it can i this project up and running. what i makes you think this time it can be a success? — makes you think this time it can be a success? can _ makes you think this time it can be a success? can you _ makes you think this time it can be a success? can you guarantee - makes you think this time it can be a success? can you guarantee that| a success? can you guarantee that migrants _ a success? can you guarantee that migrants wilt — a success? can you guarantee that migrants will be _ a success? can you guarantee that migrants will be on _ a success? can you guarantee that migrants will be on their— a success? can you guarantee that migrants will be on their way- a success? can you guarantee that migrants will be on their way here | migrants will be on their way here as soon— migrants will be on their way here as soon as — migrants will be on their way here as soon as the _ migrants will be on their way here as soon as the spring, _ migrants will be on their way here as soon as the spring, or- migrants will be on their way here as soon as the spring, or are - migrants will be on their way here as soon as the spring, or are you i as soon as the spring, or are you crossing — as soon as the spring, or are you crossing your— as soon as the spring, or are you crossing your fingers— as soon as the spring, or are you crossing your fingers and - as soon as the spring, or are you crossing your fingers and hopingl as soon as the spring, or are you i crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? _ crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? and — crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? and a _ crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? and a question— crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? and a question to - crossing your fingers and hoping for the best? and a question to the - the best? and a question to the doctor: — the best? and a question to the doctor: how— the best? and a question to the doctor: how frustrated - the best? and a question to the doctor: how frustrated are - the best? and a question to the doctor: how frustrated are you i the best? and a question to the i doctor: how frustrated are you at the ongoing _ doctor: how frustrated are you at the ongoing delays— doctor: how frustrated are you at the ongoing delays to _ doctor: how frustrated are you at the ongoing delays to trying - doctor: how frustrated are you at the ongoing delays to trying to l the ongoing delays to trying to bring _ the ongoing delays to trying to bring about— the ongoing delays to trying to bring about this _ the ongoing delays to trying to bring about this policy? - the ongoing delays to trying to bring about this policy? were. the ongoing delays to trying to i bring about this policy? were you offended — bring about this policy? were you offehded by— bring about this policy? were you offended by the _ bring about this policy? were you offended by the judgments - bring about this policy? were you offended by the judgments of- bring about this policy? were you offended by the judgments of the j bring about this policy? were you i offended by the judgments of the uk supreme _ offended by the judgments of the uk supreme court? _ offended by the judgments of the uk supreme court? thank— offended by the judgments of the uk supreme court? thank you - offended by the judgments of the uk supreme court? thank you both. - offended by the judgments of the uk i supreme court? thank you both. thank ou for the supreme court? thank you both. thank you for the question. _ supreme court? thank you both. thank you for the question. the _ supreme court? thank you both. thank you for the question. the uk _ supreme court? thank you both. tiiijiiiif you for the question. the uk has been working with rwanda not only as a commonwealth partner on a range of issues which i alluded to in my opening remarks, but, specifically,
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on the migrant and economic development partnership, throughout the time we have worked with the rwandan government, they have shown an energy and professionalism and a desire to work in a collaborative partnership way with the uk. and, in my previous role as foreign secretary, i have seen that displayed across a number of bilateral issues. of course, we want to see this part of our wider migration plan up and running as quickly as possible. we feel very strongly that this treaty addresses all of the issues raised by their lordships in the supreme court, and we have worked very closely with our rwandan partners to ensure that it
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does so. i cannot see any credible reason why rwanda pass track record as a partner, including as a partner for the echr, a long—term partner for the echr, a long—term partner for the echr, bearing for the echr, a long—term partner forthe echr, bearing in mind for the echr, a long—term partner for the echr, bearing in mind the echri for the echr, bearing in mind the echr i think sent 165 refugees to rwanda the day following the supreme courtjudgment, they clearly regard rwanda as a credible long—term partner, just as we do. i really hope we can now move quickly. we have addressed the issues raised by their lordships in this treaty, that will be reflected in domestic legislation sooner. we are absolutely committed to breaking their business model of these people smuggling gangs, to creating a safe and welcoming environment with our friends and partners here in rwanda, but also, making sure that vast
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migration is well—managed the future. migration is well-managed the future. , ., , migration is well-managed the future. ,., , ., migration is well-managed the future. ., ., ., future. let me say that rwanda pass commitment — future. let me say that rwanda pass commitment is _ future. let me say that rwanda pass commitment is driven _ future. let me say that rwanda pass commitment is driven by _ future. let me say that rwanda pass commitment is driven by our- future. let me say that rwanda pass commitment is driven by our belief l commitment is driven by our belief in what _ commitment is driven by our belief in what is _ commitment is driven by our belief in what is right rather than seeking external— in what is right rather than seeking external validation of praise. rwanda _ external validation of praise. rwanda is proud to be part of the solution — rwanda is proud to be part of the solution to— rwanda is proud to be part of the solution to a crisis that is a migration— solution to a crisis that is a migration crisis. it is crucial to recognise _ migration crisis. it is crucial to recognise that the uk supreme court is rooted _ recognise that the uk supreme court is rooted in _ recognise that the uk supreme court is rooted in the echr commitments... inclusive _ is rooted in the echr commitments... inclusive refugee policies. so, it tregs— inclusive refugee policies. so, it begs the — inclusive refugee policies. so, it begs the following question: how did we go _ begs the following question: how did we go to— begs the following question: how did we go to model to dangerous country in four— we go to model to dangerous country in four years — we go to model to dangerous country in fouryears and we go to model to dangerous country in four years and how much of this
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is linked _ in four years and how much of this is linked to— in four years and how much of this is linked to internal uk politics? this ireing — is linked to internal uk politics? this being said, i would say that there _ this being said, i would say that there is— this being said, i would say that there is always room for improvement to any— there is always room for improvement to any system designed by human ireings, _ to any system designed by human beings, rwandan or british. this is the reason — beings, rwandan or british. this is the reason why we worked on this treaty— the reason why we worked on this treaty and — the reason why we worked on this treaty and except partnership to improve — treaty and except partnership to improve our asylum system in that we have a _ improve our asylum system in that we have a fair— improve our asylum system in that we have a fairand improve our asylum system in that we have a fair and transparent system in place _ have a fair and transparent system in place for— have a fair and transparent system in place for those to appear orjust to have _ in place for those to appear orjust to have judgment, which is fair and just _ to have 'udgment, which is fair and 'ust. ., ~' , ., , to have 'udgment, which is fair and 'ust. ., ~' ,, , . thompson from the press association. home _ thompson from the press association.
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home secretary. — thompson from the press association. home secretary, how— thompson from the press association. home secretary, how much— thompson from the press association. home secretary, how much additional| home secretary, how much additional money— home secretary, how much additional money has _ home secretary, how much additional money has the — home secretary, how much additional money has the uk _ home secretary, how much additional money has the uk government - home secretary, how much additional| money has the uk government agreed to pay— money has the uk government agreed to pay rwanda — money has the uk government agreed to pay rwanda in— money has the uk government agreed to pay rwanda in light _ money has the uk government agreed to pay rwanda in light of _ money has the uk government agreed to pay rwanda in light of this- to pay rwanda in light of this treaty? — to pay rwanda in light of this treaty? if— to pay rwanda in light of this treaty? if you _ to pay rwanda in light of this treaty? if you are _ to pay rwanda in light of this treaty? if you are unable - to pay rwanda in light of this treaty? if you are unable to i to pay rwanda in light of this. treaty? if you are unable to tell us, can— treaty? if you are unable to tell us, can you _ treaty? if you are unable to tell us, can you explain _ treaty? if you are unable to tell us, can you explain why? - treaty? if you are unable to tell us, can you explain why? and i treaty? if you are unable to tell. us, can you explain why? and the question— us, can you explain why? and the question for— us, can you explain why? and the question for the _ us, can you explain why? and the question for the other— us, can you explain why? and the question for the other speaker, . question for the other speaker, couid _ question for the other speaker, could you — question for the other speaker, could you tell— question for the other speaker, could you tell us _ question for the other speaker, could you tell us if— question for the other speaker, could you tell us if the - question for the other speaker, | could you tell us if the rwandan government— could you tell us if the rwandan government continues - could you tell us if the rwandan government continues to - could you tell us if the rwandanl government continues to remain committed — government continues to remain committed to _ government continues to remain committed to this _ government continues to remain committed to this partnership i government continues to remain . committed to this partnership even if it faces _ committed to this partnership even if it faces further _ committed to this partnership even if it faces further delays _ committed to this partnership even if it faces further delays and - if it faces further delays and setbacks, _ if it faces further delays and setbacks, or— if it faces further delays and setbacks, or set— if it faces further delays and setbacks, or set a _ if it faces further delays and setbacks, or set a deadlinel if it faces further delays and . setbacks, or set a deadline on if it faces further delays and - setbacks, or set a deadline on when you would _ setbacks, or set a deadline on when you would withdraw _ setbacks, or set a deadline on when you would withdraw your— setbacks, or set a deadline on when i you would withdraw your cooperation? firstly, _ you would withdraw your cooperation? firstly, tet _ you would withdraw your cooperation? firstly, let me — you would withdraw your cooperation? firstly, let me make _ you would withdraw your cooperation? firstly, let me make it— you would withdraw your cooperation? firstly, let me make it clear: - you would withdraw your cooperation? firstly, let me make it clear: the - firstly, let me make it clear: the rwandan government has not asked for and we have not provided any funding linked to the signing of this treaty. the financial arrangement which inevitably comes as part of an international agreement reflects the costs that may be imposed on rwanda through the changes that this
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partnership has created in their systems, in their legal systems, and in the institutions. this treaty —— as i say, no money was asked for, no money was provided for this treaty —— dealing with migration is important and it is not a cost free option. we regard it as the right thing to do both to protect our borders, to dissuade people from putting themselves in the hands of people smugglers and making these dangerous journeys often in unseaworthy vessels whether it be across the mediterranean or across the channel. rwanda is helping the uk in ourfight against illegal migration, and people smuggling. they are doing so professionally, thoughtfully, and as a part are genuinely willing to work with us on
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this. the foreign minister has said that this is increasingly global challenge. that this is increasingly global challenue. ., ., that this is increasingly global challenue. ., that this is increasingly global challenge-— that this is increasingly global challenue. . , . challenge. rwanda is very much committed _ challenge. rwanda is very much committed to _ challenge. rwanda is very much committed to this _ challenge. rwanda is very much committed to this migration... l challenge. rwanda is very much i committed to this migration... the reason _ committed to this migration... the reason why— committed to this migration... the reason why we worked with our colleagues from the uk on these areas _ colleagues from the uk on these areas of— colleagues from the uk on these areas of concern, the uk supreme court, _ areas of concern, the uk supreme court, why— areas of concern, the uk supreme court, why we fought on if they were unfounded _ court, why we fought on if they were unfounded or unfair... we don't havem — unfounded or unfair... we don't havem the _ unfounded or unfair... we don't have... the cooperation. we have a plan _ have... the cooperation. we have a plan to— have... the cooperation. we have a plan to implement this partnership and we _ plan to implement this partnership and we remain open to monitoring the implementation to be able to adjust one or— implementation to be able to adjust one or the _ implementation to be able to adjust one or the other element which would be needed _ one or the other element which would be needed to be adjusted. we are committed to the partnership. we
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want to— committed to the partnership. we want to have a plan for this collaboration.— want to have a plan for this collaboration. ., ,, , ., , collaboration. thank you. we will take one more _ collaboration. thank you. we will take one more question. - thank you very much, vincent here. if i thank you very much, vincent here. if i may: _ thank you very much, vincent here. if i may: as — thank you very much, vincent here. if i may: as has _ thank you very much, vincent here. if i may: as has been _ thank you very much, vincent here. if i may: as has been stated, - thank you very much, vincent here. if i may: as has been stated, this i if i may: as has been stated, this agreement, now— if i may: as has been stated, this agreement, now treaty, - if i may: as has been stated, this agreement, now treaty, comes . if i may: as has been stated, this| agreement, now treaty, comes in if i may: as has been stated, this - agreement, now treaty, comes in the context— agreement, now treaty, comes in the context of— agreement, now treaty, comes in the context of what — agreement, now treaty, comes in the context of what is _ agreement, now treaty, comes in the context of what is very _ agreement, now treaty, comes in the context of what is very much - context of what is very much understood _ context of what is very much understood to _ context of what is very much understood to be _ context of what is very much understood to be a _ context of what is very much understood to be a global. context of what is very much - understood to be a global challenge of human— understood to be a global challenge of human trafficking _ understood to be a global challenge of human trafficking and _ understood to be a global challenge| of human trafficking and smugglers. one that _ of human trafficking and smugglers. one that is — of human trafficking and smugglers. one that is stepping _ of human trafficking and smugglers. one that is stepping forward - of human trafficking and smugglers. one that is stepping forward to - of human trafficking and smugglers. one that is stepping forward to play| one that is stepping forward to play its part _ one that is stepping forward to play its part the — one that is stepping forward to play its part. the country— one that is stepping forward to play its part. the country now— one that is stepping forward to play its part. the country now hosts - one that is stepping forward to play its part. the country now hosts a i its part. the country now hosts a school _ its part. the country now hosts a school from _ its part. the country now hosts a school from afghanistan - its part. the country now hosts a school from afghanistan when i its part. the country now hosts a. school from afghanistan when the taliban _ school from afghanistan when the taliban took— school from afghanistan when the taliban took over _ school from afghanistan when the taliban took over the _ school from afghanistan when the taliban took over the country. - school from afghanistan when the i taliban took over the country. they have _ taliban took over the country. they have been— taliban took over the country. they have beenjoined _ taliban took over the country. they have beenjoined by— taliban took over the country. they have been joined by sudanese - taliban took over the country. they i have beenjoined by sudanese medical students, _ have beenjoined by sudanese medical students, there — have beenjoined by sudanese medical students, there shall— have beenjoined by sudanese medical students, there shall two— have beenjoined by sudanese medical students, there shall two school- have beenjoined by sudanese medical students, there shall two school is - students, there shall two school is also here — students, there shall two school is also here after— students, there shall two school is also here after the _ students, there shall two school is also here after the conflict - students, there shall two school is also here after the conflict in- also here after the conflict in their— also here after the conflict in their country. _ also here after the conflict in their country. you _ also here after the conflict in their country. you also - also here after the conflict in their country. you also havel also here after the conflict in. their country. you also have the emergency— their country. you also have the emergency mechanism - their country. you also have the emergency mechanism from -
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their country. you also have the . emergency mechanism from libya their country. you also have the - emergency mechanism from libya where it is scarcely _ emergency mechanism from libya where it is scarcely believable _ emergency mechanism from libya where it is scarcely believable that _ it is scarcely believable that people _ it is scarcely believable that people are _ it is scarcely believable that people are being _ it is scarcely believable that people are being sold - it is scarcely believable that people are being sold in - it is scarcely believable that l people are being sold in slave markets _ people are being sold in slave markets. they _ people are being sold in slave markets. they are _ people are being sold in slave markets. they are now - people are being sold in slave markets. they are now in - people are being sold in slave - markets. they are now in rwanda and thriving _ markets. they are now in rwanda and thriving anyone — markets. they are now in rwanda and thriving. anyone who _ markets. they are now in rwanda and thriving. anyone who has _ markets. they are now in rwanda and thriving. anyone who has been - markets. they are now in rwanda and thriving. anyone who has been to- markets. they are now in rwanda and thriving. anyone who has been to thel thriving. anyone who has been to the refugee _ thriving. anyone who has been to the refugee camp, — thriving. anyone who has been to the refugee camp, as _ thriving. anyone who has been to the refugee camp, as i _ thriving. anyone who has been to the refugee camp, as i have _ thriving. anyone who has been to the refugee camp, as i have and - thriving. anyone who has been to the refugee camp, as i have and seen- refugee camp, as i have and seen refugees— refugee camp, as i have and seen refugees who _ refugee camp, as i have and seen refugees who spend _ refugee camp, as i have and seen refugees who spend 20 _ refugee camp, as i have and seen refugees who spend 20 plus - refugee camp, as i have and seenj refugees who spend 20 plus years over there — refugees who spend 20 plus years over there know _ refugees who spend 20 plus years over there know that _ refugees who spend 20 plus years over there know that while - refugees who spend 20 plus years over there know that while it is i refugees who spend 20 plus yearsl over there know that while it is not home, _ over there know that while it is not home, it _ over there know that while it is not home, it is — over there know that while it is not home, it is a — over there know that while it is not home, it is a good _ over there know that while it is not home, it is a good place _ over there know that while it is not home, it is a good place for- over there know that while it is notj home, it is a good place for people to bring _ home, it is a good place for people to bring up— home, it is a good place for people to bring up their— home, it is a good place for people to bring up their children. - home, it is a good place for people to bring up their children. now, - home, it is a good place for people to bring up their children. now, for all of— to bring up their children. now, for all of that, — to bring up their children. now, for allofthat, in— to bring up their children. now, for all of that, in return _ to bring up their children. now, for all of that, in return for _ to bring up their children. now, for all of that, in return for all - to bring up their children. now, for all of that, in return for all of - all of that, in return for all of that, — all of that, in return for all of that, it — all of that, in return for all of that, it seems _ all of that, in return for all of that, it seems that _ all of that, in return for all of that, it seems that rwanda l all of that, in return for all of| that, it seems that rwanda is all of that, in return for all of - that, it seems that rwanda is being introduced — that, it seems that rwanda is being introduced worldwide _ that, it seems that rwanda is being introduced worldwide in _ that, it seems that rwanda is being introduced worldwide in the - that, it seems that rwanda is being. introduced worldwide in the supreme court, _ introduced worldwide in the supreme court, the _ introduced worldwide in the supreme court, the un— introduced worldwide in the supreme court, the un he— introduced worldwide in the supreme court, the un he hcr_ introduced worldwide in the supreme court, the un he hcr which - introduced worldwide in the supreme court, the un he hcr which has - court, the un he hcr which has described — court, the un he hcr which has described rwanda _ court, the un he hcr which has described rwanda pass - court, the un he hcr which has described rwanda pass policy. court, the un he hcr which has| described rwanda pass policy as exemplary. _ described rwanda pass policy as exemplary, their— described rwanda pass policy as exemplary, their word. - described rwanda pass policy asi exemplary, theirword. bizarrely, described rwanda pass policy as. exemplary, theirword. bizarrely, it goes— exemplary, theirword. bizarrely, it goes to— exemplary, theirword. bizarrely, it goes to the— exemplary, theirword. bizarrely, it goes to the supreme _ exemplary, theirword. bizarrely, it goes to the supreme court - exemplary, theirword. bizarrely, it goes to the supreme court and - exemplary, theirword. bizarrely, it| goes to the supreme court and says rwanda _ goes to the supreme court and says rwanda is _ goes to the supreme court and says rwanda is an— goes to the supreme court and says rwanda is an unsafe _ goes to the supreme court and says rwanda is an unsafe country - goes to the supreme court and says rwanda is an unsafe country to - goes to the supreme court and says rwanda is an unsafe country to be. i rwanda is an unsafe country to be. our rwanda is an unsafe country to be. 0ur rwandan— rwanda is an unsafe country to be. 0ur rwandan is— rwanda is an unsafe country to be. our rwandan is entitled _ rwanda is an unsafe country to be. our rwandan is entitled to- rwanda is an unsafe country to be. our rwandan is entitled to ask - rwanda is an unsafe country to be. our rwandan is entitled to ask why rwanda _ our rwandan is entitled to ask why rwanda is — our rwandan is entitled to ask why rwanda is continuing _ our rwandan is entitled to ask why rwanda is continuing with - our rwandan is entitled to ask why rwanda is continuing with this - rwanda is continuing with this agreement? _ rwanda is continuing with this agreement? why— rwanda is continuing with this agreement? why are - rwanda is continuing with this agreement? why are they - rwanda is continuing with this - agreement? why are they allowing themselves— agreement? why are they allowing themselves to _ agreement? why are they allowing themselves to be _ agreement? why are they allowing themselves to be abused? - agreement? why are they allowing themselves to be abused? why - agreement? why are they allowing | themselves to be abused? why not say, i— themselves to be abused? why not say, i have — themselves to be abused? why not say, i have done _ themselves to be abused? why not say, i have done my— themselves to be abused? why not say, i have done my best, - themselves to be abused? why not say, i have done my best, i- themselves to be abused? why not say, i have done my best, i am - themselves to be abused? why not . say, i have done my best, lam happy to step _ say, i have done my best, lam happy to step forward — say, i have done my best, lam happy
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to step forward and _ say, i have done my best, lam happy to step forward and participate - say, i have done my best, lam happy to step forward and participate in - say, i have done my best, lam happy to step forward and participate in a i to step forward and participate in a global— to step forward and participate in a global crisis. — to step forward and participate in a global crisis, but— to step forward and participate in a global crisis, but we _ to step forward and participate in a global crisis, but we don't - to step forward and participate in a global crisis, but we don't want - global crisis, but we don't want this thrown— global crisis, but we don't want this thrown in _ global crisis, but we don't want this thrown in our— global crisis, but we don't want this thrown in our faces - global crisis, but we don't want this thrown in our faces any - global crisis, but we don't want i this thrown in our faces any more. what _ this thrown in our faces any more. what explanation _ this thrown in our faces any more. what explanation would _ this thrown in our faces any more. what explanation would you - this thrown in our faces any more. what explanation would you give i this thrown in our faces any more. i what explanation would you give to them? _ what explanation would you give to them? why— what explanation would you give to them? why is— what explanation would you give to them? why is rwanda _ what explanation would you give to them? why is rwanda bending - what explanation would you give toj them? why is rwanda bending over backwards — them? why is rwanda bending over backwards over— them? why is rwanda bending over backwards over this? _ them? why is rwanda bending over backwards over this? we _ them? why is rwanda bending over backwards over this?— backwards over this? we continue with this partnership _ backwards over this? we continue with this partnership because - backwards over this? we continue with this partnership because we | with this partnership because we believe _ with this partnership because we believe that we are doing the right things— believe that we are doing the right things to _ believe that we are doing the right things to contribute to a solution to this _ things to contribute to a solution to this global migration crisis. you mentioned — to this global migration crisis. you mentioned the refugees in this country— mentioned the refugees in this country from all over the world, from _ country from all over the world, from sudan, afghanistan, from the region _ from sudan, afghanistan, from the region we — from sudan, afghanistan, from the region. we believe that we are doing the right— region. we believe that we are doing the right things, we are receiving these _ the right things, we are receiving these refugees. the fact is that there _ these refugees. the fact is that there are — these refugees. the fact is that there are situations around the world _ there are situations around the world which continue to produce refugees, — world which continue to produce refugees, and it is not helpful for all of— refugees, and it is not helpful for all of us — refugees, and it is not helpful for all of us to— refugees, and it is not helpful for all of us to criticise the country and wonder which is contributing to and wonder which is contributing to a solution _ and wonder which is contributing to a solution while they are not even
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sure: _ a solution while they are not even sure. i_ a solution while they are not even sure, i mean all of us, we are not addressing — sure, i mean all of us, we are not addressing the root causes causing the refugees. i said that we were unfairly— the refugees. i said that we were unfairly treated by international organisations, the media, courts, but we _ organisations, the media, courts, but we believe that we are doing the i’ili'it but we believe that we are doing the right things, and those who are criticising — right things, and those who are criticising us should bring up alternatives to the solution we are proposing — alternatives to the solution we are proposing. so, let'sjust move forward — proposing. so, let'sjust move forward to— proposing. so, let'sjust move forward to what we have agreed to do, forward to what we have agreed to do. and _ forward to what we have agreed to do, and wait for those who are criticising _ do, and wait for those who are criticising us to see what alternative systems they are going to propose to the problem. criticising is one thing, but providing a solution is another one. so, providing a solution is another one. so. we _ providing a solution is another one. so. we are — providing a solution is another one. so, we are working on providing a solution _ so, we are working on providing a solution and i think we will survive
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these _ solution and i think we will survive these criticisms from these various organisations and actors. | these criticisms from these various organisations and actors.— organisations and actors. i know that the question _ organisations and actors. i know that the question was _ organisations and actors. i know that the question was not - organisations and actors. i know. that the question was not directed at me, but with your indulgence i would like to make a few comments on this. i have a huge amount of admiration for the fortitude of the rwandan government, who, as you say, have been the recipients of criticism i think are completely out of keeping with the effort that the government has been making on behalf of the unhcr and other organisations and the refugees themselves. there is a desire, as you have heard, to keep improving those processes and work closely with international partners like ek and others in order to continue improve the processes,
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just as all governments should seek to do —— with international partners like the uk. the uk and raman are working on this because it is important —— the uk and rwanda are working on this because it is important, not because it is easy because it buys you quick and easy popularity. we do this in spite of the fact that it is difficult and sensitive. if we do not address these issues, the people who will ultimately be the winners are the people smugglers. they are the other slave traders. they are the criminal gangs. they are the extremist voices who always take advantage of human difficulties and hardship. rwanda is stepping forward to be a thoughtful and careful partner in solving these incredibly difficult international issues. i think they deserve support in doing that. i have been uncomfortable with the tone and the
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