there is a listen because i think there is some music going on at the cortege, let's take a listen to what the band is playing. cheering and applause lots of applause there as the funeral procession makes its way through the centre of dublin. mark, you were talking about his music and also the way that he did have that troubled life and brought that to his music. do you think he's going to be one of these musicians, and

maybe sinead o'connor is in that same area, where they will be part of now they've left us than they were with us?— of now they've left us than they were with us? ., , ,, were with us? certainly i think with the exception _ were with us? certainly i think with the exception of _ were with us? certainly i think with the exception of fairytale - were with us? certainly i think with the exception of fairytale of- were with us? certainly i think with the exception of fairytale of new l the exception of fairytale of new york you don't hear a lot of songs by the pugs on the radio. i hope —— democracy. there are a lot of beautifully evocative songs. one of their songs was used quite a lot in the wire. it is just an example of what a painter with words shane mcgowan was. i was saying earlier he did talk about the drinking culture of ireland and a lot of his songs but he also used at as a way to explain what people were going through. even in streams of whisky,,

it's about getting drunk in the pub but it's about getting drunk with brand and be hidden and having a massive philosophical discussion with him and i think that's what he was, i drinker philosopher. i think people revisit those songs now as well as the other ones that are staples in the radio.— well as the other ones that are staples in the radio. dave, mark was mentionin: staples in the radio. dave, mark was mentioning that _ staples in the radio. dave, mark was mentioning that his _ staples in the radio. dave, mark was mentioning that his songs, - staples in the radio. dave, mark was mentioning that his songs, he - staples in the radio. dave, mark was mentioning that his songs, he really| mentioning that his songs, he really did look back to the irish ballads and a lot of irish history in his music that he bought into it and added that modern, more punk element to it. , ., added that modern, more punk element to it. , . ., ,., added that modern, more punk element to it. , . ., i. to it. oh, yeah. that song you were talkin: to it. oh, yeah. that song you were talking about. _ to it. oh, yeah. that song you were talking about, he _ to it. oh, yeah. that song you were talking about, he doesn't _ to it. oh, yeah. that song you were talking about, he doesn't dream - talking about, he doesn't dream about_ talking about, he doesn't dream about meeting brendan behan. to be honest. _ about meeting brendan behan. to be honest, there is a certain aspect of the whole — honest, there is a certain aspect of the whole thing, i remember the thing _ the whole thing, i remember the thing about brendan, the more points

he drank_ thing about brendan, the more points he drank it_ thing about brendan, the more points he drank it seemed, the more of a genius _ he drank it seemed, the more of a genius he — he drank it seemed, the more of a genius he was, i didn't buy into genius he was, ididn't buy into that— genius he was, ididn't buy into that at— genius he was, i didn't buy into that at alt _ genius he was, i didn't buy into that at all. shane had so much in his head. — that at all. shane had so much in his head. he _ that at all. shane had so much in his head, he had read so much, so much _ his head, he had read so much, so much about— his head, he had read so much, so much about our history etc. he was kind of— much about our history etc. he was kind of done — much about our history etc. he was kind of done by the late 80s and so many— kind of done by the late 80s and so many ways — kind of done by the late 80s and so many ways. he had accidents, he was in a wheelchair etc, and it was lengthy— in a wheelchair etc, and it was lengthy creativity unfortunately was gone _ lengthy creativity unfortunately was gone but _ lengthy creativity unfortunately was gone. but he had all this history and one — gone. but he had all this history and one thing he loved was watching the news _ and one thing he loved was watching the news. he was always very interested in the news. it's not that— interested in the news. it's not that i_ interested in the news. it's not that i hung _ interested in the news. it's not that i hung around with him all the time but _ that i hung around with him all the time but i — that i hung around with him all the time but i met a marathoner who was really— time but i met a marathoner who was really interested in everything that was going on and he loved big conversations in pubs, even if he didnt— conversations in pubs, even if he didn't necessarily play a big part in those, _ didn't necessarily play a big part in those, i_ didn't necessarily play a big part in those, i he liked to listen more than _ in those, i he liked to listen more than say— in those, i he liked to listen more than say things, but he was really strident— than say things, but he was really strident is— than say things, but he was really strident is —— in his opinions, i can— strident is —— in his opinions, i can tell— strident is —— in his opinions, i can tell you _ strident is —— in his opinions, i can tell you that. really truculent and hard — can tell you that. really truculent and hard living and he really was

-lad and hard living and he really was glad when — and hard living and he really was glad when he got into writing stuff come _ glad when he got into writing stuff come in _ glad when he got into writing stuff come in a — glad when he got into writing stuff come in a small period of time, about— come in a small period of time, about four— come in a small period of time, about four or five years in the middle — about four or five years in the middle of— about four or five years in the middle of the 1980s and that is what we'll he _ middle of the 1980s and that is what we'll he will be really remembered for. we'll he will be really remembered for~ i_ we'll he will be really remembered for. i wonder if he wasn't given so much _ for. i wonder if he wasn't given so much success, perhaps we might have around _ much success, perhaps we might have around 40 _ much success, perhaps we might have around 40 songs.— around 40 songs. interested, what influence has _ around 40 songs. interested, what influence has he _ around 40 songs. interested, what influence has he had _ around 40 songs. interested, what influence has he had on _ around 40 songs. interested, what influence has he had on younger. influence has he had on younger musicians in ireland, say, today? does he that influence? mast does he that influence? most definitely he _ does he that influence? most definitely he has _ does he that influence? most definitely he has that - does he that influence? most definitely he has that influence. you gotta understand, bance taking a loving _ you gotta understand, bance taking a loving traditional music —— band is taking _ loving traditional music —— band is taking a _ loving traditional music —— band is taking a loving traditional music. the horse — taking a loving traditional music. the horse lips were bringing it into rock music — the horse lips were bringing it into rock music. and the pogues, they did the same _ rock music. and the pogues, they did the same thing in the 1980s. the inference — the same thing in the 1980s. the inference wasjust huge. i don't 'ust inference wasjust huge. i don't just mearr— inference wasjust huge. i don't just mean that there are loads of

pogues— just mean that there are loads of pogues type bands around, there are, don'tjust_ pogues type bands around, there are, don'tjust mean that pogues type bands around, there are, don't just mean that triad has become — don't just mean that triad has become kind of head, butjust the influence — become kind of head, butjust the influence is there, you should never be afraid _ influence is there, you should never he afraid of— influence is there, you should never be afraid of mixing up genres of music — be afraid of mixing up genres of music. there is room for everyone. definitely— music. there is room for everyone. definitely room for all sorts. remember, run dmc and aerosmith, that broke _ remember, run dmc and aerosmith, that broke down walls. it's a really good _ that broke down walls. it's a really good thing. and yes, his inference is going _ good thing. and yes, his inference is going to — good thing. and yes, his inference is going to be huge because of what the pogues did. otherweb is going to be huge because of what the pogues did. other web best known as a live _ the pogues did. other web best known as a live band, and i do mean shamhotic, _ as a live band, and i do mean shambolic, nothing wrong with that if you're _ shambolic, nothing wrong with that if you're going to do punk tried rock _ if you're going to do punk tried rock. ~., , ., ., , rock. mart, did you ever get to see the pogues — rock. mart, did you ever get to see the pogues live _ rock. mart, did you ever get to see the pogues live chris _ rock. mart, did you ever get to see the pogues live chris hill _ rock. mart, did you ever get to see the pogues live chris hill i - rock. mart, did you ever get to see the pogues live chris hill i never i the pogues live chris hill i never did, unfortunately. i have videos of their legendary st patrick's day concerts. . . , , ~ concerts. the audience is 'ust like a scrum. there * concerts. the audience is 'ust like

a scrum. there were _ concerts. the audience isjust like a scrum. there were brilliant - concerts. the audience isjust like a scrum. there were brilliant as i concerts. the audience isjust like a scrum. there were brilliant as a | a scrum. there were brilliant as a live band. motor was completed together, but they were so energetic, there was so much power on that stage. and shane was, at the beginning perhaps more together than he was when they got rid of him in the late 80s, but there was just something so charismatic about his performances, the way he draped himself on the microphone stand and the delivery he gave those lyrics. we talk about without these songs will live long, thick as the originals that will live on, nobody could have sung that there was way that shane mcgowan did.— that shane mcgowan did. that's interesting _ that shane mcgowan did. that's interesting you _ that shane mcgowan did. that's interesting you say _ that shane mcgowan did. that's interesting you say that. - that shane mcgowan did. that's interesting you say that. i've . that shane mcgowan did. that's i interesting you say that. i've heard a couple of covers recently of fairytale of new york, and itjust isn't the same. dave is shaking his head there. people can't easily cover pogues songs, can they? just don't do it! — cover pogues songs, can they? just don't do it! don't change the words.

that particular word that was banned in some _ that particular word that was banned in some places, rememberthe that particular word that was banned in some places, remember the word was used _ in some places, remember the word was used to— in some places, remember the word was used to mean a layabout. it is a call and _ was used to mean a layabout. it is a call and response thing, it's like an operatic— call and response thing, it's like an operatic double act kind of thing — an operatic double act kind of thing. but the woman tells the truth and the _ thing. but the woman tells the truth and the man tells the live. he's saying. — and the man tells the live. he's saying. i— and the man tells the live. he's saying, i could have done this, i could _ saying, i could have done this, i could have — saying, i could have done this, i could have done that. he lost all his money— could have done that. he lost all his money on horses and drinking, the streets — his money on horses and drinking, the streets were not paved with gold, _ the streets were not paved with gold. he's— the streets were not paved with gold, he's down and out and he's still trying — gold, he's down and out and he's still trying to sell this piece of nonsense to the wife or the girlfriend or whatever it is and she is having _ girlfriend or whatever it is and she is having none of it. so to use that word _ is having none of it. so to use that word then — is having none of it. so to use that word then is — is having none of it. so to use that word then is for a layabout and how dare people change history, it's nonsense _ dare people change history, it's nonsense. and the strings come in and i_ nonsense. and the strings come in and hust— nonsense. and the strings come in and ijust left it all up. the point

is, is _ and ijust left it all up. the point is, is the — and ijust left it all up. the point is, is the most perfect christmas song _ is, is the most perfect christmas song of— is, is the most perfect christmas song of all— is, is the most perfect christmas song of all time and to me, it's up there _ song of all time and to me, it's up there with — song of all time and to me, it's up there with white christmas. it's 'ust there with white christmas. it's just fantastic.— there with white christmas. it's 'ust fantastic. �* , , ., just fantastic. let's listen to some ofthe just fantastic. let's listen to some of the musicians. _ of the musicians. # for a pair of of the musicians. # fora pair of brown of the musicians. # for a pair of brown eyes. cheering and applause mark, we were talking about fairytale of new york. it was never number one in the uk, even though it is the song that we always hear every christmas? {rut is the song that we always hear every christmas?— is the song that we always hear every christmas? cut as high as number two _ every christmas? cut as high as number two more _ every christmas? cut as high as number two more recently, - every christmas? cut as high as number two more recently, not| every christmas? cut as high as - number two more recently, not when it first came out, on downloads and streaming figures, that helped it, but it never did get to number one. lovely hearing dave talk about it, he captures the songs are well and it was a christmas song, i always think of it as a love song, these

two people at christmas on the skids, their relationship is in tatters but it ends with almost like two minutes of a waltz, select the arguments have ended and they have done stuff into the moonlight, you can take out a romantic view of it as well, and it does, there is a campaign to get into christmas number one this year. i'm not sure it's quite the moment, looking at the figures for today's chart which comes out on a couple of hours. but there is still time. if comes out on a couple of hours. but there is still time.— there is still time. if you need a taste of what _ there is still time. if you need a taste of what that _ there is still time. if you need a taste of what that song - there is still time. if you need a taste of what that song is, - there is still time. if you need a taste of what that song is, let l there is still time. if you need a i taste of what that song is, let me do it for you. #an # an old man said to me # an old man said to me # board to see another one

# board to see another one # and then he sang a song at # and then he sang a song at # the rare old mountain tune # the rare old mountain tune # i turned my face away # i turned my face away # and dream about you # and dream about you # got on a lucky one # got on a lucky one # k main 18 to one —— came in. # k main 18 to one —— came in. # i've gota # k main 18 to one —— came in. # i've got a feeling # i've got a feeling # this year's for me and you # this year's for me and you # so happy christmas # so happy christmas # i love you, baby # i love you, baby # i love you, baby # i can see a better time # i can see a better time # when all our dreams come true.

like mcgregor they could cause biggest bars, thicker rivers of gold # but the window slightly year is no place for the # when you first take my hand on a cold christmas eve he promised me broadway was waiting for me # when the band finished playing they held out for more # sinatra was swinging, come all the drugs they were singing # we kissed on the corner that danced through the night # the boys of the nypd choir were singing galway pay # and the bells were ringing out for christmas day. we are going to not go back to the live scene in dublin whether there are musicians performing on the streets, let's have a listen.

# dirty old town, dirty old town. # dirty old time, dirty old town.

# dirty old town, dirty old town. # i #imet # i met my love by the gasworks wall # i met my love by the gasworks wall # dream the dream by the old canal # dream the dream by the old canal # i kissed my girl # i kissed my girl # by the factory wall # by the factory wall # dirty old town, dirty old town. # i met my love by the gasworks wall

# dreamed a dream by the old canal # i kissed my girl by the factory wall # dirty old town, dirty old town # i met my love by the gasworks wall # dreamed a dream by the old canal # i kissed my girl by the factory wall # dirty old town, dirty old town. cheering and applause

really lovely from the streets of dublin. dave, ilived really lovely from the streets of dublin. dave, i lived in ireland for a while and spent a few saturday nights in dublin. they are going to see shane off in a fairfew pubs and bars this afternoon, aren't they? i would possibly think you might be right! _ would possibly think you might be right! yes, ithink would possibly think you might be right! yes, i think so. would possibly think you might be right! yes, ithink so. the would possibly think you might be right! yes, i think so. the thing about— right! yes, i think so. the thing about fairytale of new york, it is very song. — about fairytale of new york, it is very song, but yes, today is going to be~~ _ very song, but yes, today is going to be~~ in— very song, but yes, today is going to be... in terms of his music, if i could _ to be... in terms of his music, if i could write — to be... in terms of his music, if i could write one quarter of one eighth— could write one quarter of one eighth of— could write one quarter of one eighth of 1,000,000,000th of a song he's written, i'd be a happy man. a lot of he's written, i'd be a happy man. lot of people don't know that kirsty

mccoll recorded the track separately from shane mcgowan, didn't she? she did. steve lillywhite was married to kirsty~ _ did. steve lillywhite was married to kirsty. steve was the producer of the album — kirsty. steve was the producer of the album and the strange thing about— the album and the strange thing about the song is that frank murray was the _ about the song is that frank murray was the manager, at the time they were _ was the manager, at the time they were not— was the manager, at the time they were not many rock and roll documentaries. they did make those things— documentaries. they did make those things then. frank came in with this demo— things then. frank came in with this demo tape — things then. frank came in with this demo tape and he said, we have finally— demo tape and he said, we have finally got — demo tape and he said, we have finally got this. it was only a demo — finally got this. it was only a demo. we put it in the cassette machine — demo. we put it in the cassette machine and we listened to it. then we went— machine and we listened to it. then we went back to what we were doing, not saying. _ we went back to what we were doing, not saying, this is the most amazing christmas _ not saying, this is the most amazing christmas song ever released... they are sinuain christmas song ever released... they are singing it — christmas song ever released... they are singing it on _ christmas song ever released... they are singing it on the _ christmas song ever released... tue: are singing it on the streets of dublin so let's have a listen.

# the boys of the nypd choir were singing galway bay # and the bells were ringing out for christmas day. so, there we go, they are singing it not only in galway bay but on the streets of dublin. dave, i'm going to put you on the spotjust because i can. favourite pogues song? raina:r i can. favourite pogues song? rainy niuht i can. favourite pogues song? rainy niht in i can. favourite pogues song? rainy night in soho- _ i can. favourite pogues song? rainy night in soho. just _ i can. favourite pogues song? rainy night in soho. just remember, you remit _ night in soho. just remember, you remit -- _ night in soho. just remember, you remit -- you — night in soho. just remember, you remit —— you mentioned the vocals on

fairytale _ remit —— you mentioned the vocals on fairytale of— remit —— you mentioned the vocals on fairytale of new york, yes, kirsty mccoil— fairytale of new york, yes, kirsty mccoll had to be tough in the song until the _ mccoll had to be tough in the song until the guy, mccoll had to be tough in the song untilthe guy, i'm mccoll had to be tough in the song until the guy, i'm sure you're a good _ until the guy, i'm sure you're a good guy— until the guy, i'm sure you're a good guy but i'm sick and tired of your lies, — good guy but i'm sick and tired of your lies, sick and tired of your drinking — your lies, sick and tired of your drinking and betting on horses and that's— drinking and betting on horses and that's what she needed because the person— that's what she needed because the person who did it originally was great _ person who did it originally was great but — person who did it originally was great but it's a bit softer, it was the bassist— great but it's a bit softer, it was the bassist from the pogues, cait o'riordan — o'riordan. # - o'riordan. # and the bells were ringing o-rrordan. — # and the bells were ringing out for christmas day.

i think that's probably how a lot of people sing that song, coing la la la when they do know the words. meiji la when they do know the words. well at this point — la when they do know the words. -tt at this point there is not really anything to sing, you just have to sing the instrument. i made a mistake, it was number two when it originally came out and was held at the top spot by pet shop boys. the amazing thing about kirsty mccoll�*s vocal was that it was just a demo vocal, there were recording with steve lillywhite and he asked purchasing the female part so somebody else could come in and tape over it later when they found the vocals they wanted and when the band went into the studio and heard what she had done, they were like, now,

she's the one. later on she toured with them for years, up until she sadly passed away as well. bind with them for years, up until she sadly passed away as well. and we all know fairytale _ sadly passed away as well. and we all know fairytale of _ sadly passed away as well. and we all know fairytale of new- sadly passed away as well. and we all know fairytale of new york, - sadly passed away as well. and we | all know fairytale of new york, but as we've been talking about over the last while, there were that huge body of work. very well known in the united kingdom and in ireland, but also the pogues were huge in america as well. qt also the pogues were huge in america as well. . ., , also the pogues were huge in america as well. .., , g , also the pogues were huge in america aswell. , g , , as well. of course. just as they did over here in _ as well. of course. just as they did over here in the _ as well. of course. just as they did over here in the uk, _ as well. of course. just as they did over here in the uk, they - as well. of course. just as they did over here in the uk, they were - over here in the uk, they were speaking to that irish immigrant experience, to that feeling of being an outsider in your adopted home country and that's pretty much the experience shane mcgowan had. he was born in the uk, his parents were irish but he never really felt at home in either place and that's something i wanted to ask dave. in my memory, when the pogues first came out in the early 80s, the traditional irish folk music scene,

people there were very sceptical of them, how they got bottled off stage once in belfast, is that right? bull there were _ once in belfast, is that right? bull there were a _ once in belfast, is that right? bull there were a lot _ once in belfast, is that right? bull there were a lot more than sceptical, there were angry! the ve first sceptical, there were angry! the very first album, _ sceptical, there were angry! the very first album, i _ sceptical, there were angry! the very first album, i thought possibly that was— very first album, i thought possibly that was good to be a one off. i thought. — that was good to be a one off. i thought, that's different, never had that before. but then the boat out to more _ that before. but then the boat out to more fantastic album so they were here to _ to more fantastic album so they were here to stay— to more fantastic album so they were here to stay and the reason was the shambolic— here to stay and the reason was the shambolic live performances, which by the _ shambolic live performances, which by the way — shambolic live performances, which by the way is price, that's what i wanted — by the way is price, that's what i wanted from them, and also brilliant songwriting. but people, certain people _ songwriting. but people, certain people were not very happy with the fact that _ people were not very happy with the fact that they did punk tried music. but it— fact that they did punk tried music. but it worked. —— trad missoup. and his poetry was also published as a perk? his poetry was also published as a erk? . �* , his poetry was also published as a erk? ., �*, �* , his poetry was also published as a erk? . �*, a ., perk? that's right. as you can hear in the lyrics — perk? that's right. as you can hear in the lyrics to _ perk? that's right. as you can hear in the lyrics to the _ perk? that's right. as you can hear in the lyrics to the songs, -

perk? that's right. as you can hear in the lyrics to the songs, just - perk? that's right. as you can hear in the lyrics to the songs, just an i in the lyrics to the songs, just an amazing cinematic storyteller. fairytale of new york could be a novel, could be a film. i think that's the same for other songs like the one about the ancient irish warrior hero and all the expenses he had, some of them fighting the good fight, othertimes had, some of them fighting the good fight, other times he's in a brothel catching syphilis. he painted such a vivid picture of the real life and he did that in his poetry and in his songs. as dave has said a couple times, if he had not succumbed to the drink and drugs, who knows what he might have achieved? liege. the drink and drugs, who knows what he might have achieved? dave, we're cominu he might have achieved? dave, we're comin: to he might have achieved? dave, we're coming to the — he might have achieved? dave, we're coming to the end _ he might have achieved? dave, we're coming to the end of _ he might have achieved? dave, we're coming to the end of this _ he might have achieved? dave, we're coming to the end of this section - he might have achieved? dave, we're coming to the end of this section of l coming to the end of this section of the day in terms of the funeral, there will will be the service in county tipperary a little later, we are expecting his whole life to be celebrated, but i wanted to ask you personally, because you've met him and spoken to him, you know the irish music scene, how will you personally remember him? to be

honest, i should _ personally remember him? to be honest, i should remember- personally remember him? to be honest, i should remember him i personally remember him? to be. honest, i should remember him as personally remember him? to be honest, i should remember him as a person. _ honest, i should remember him as a person. in_ honest, i should remember him as a person, in terms of interviewing him and meeting him and to be honest i wasn't _ and meeting him and to be honest i wasn't always necessarily does mikey had a _ wasn't always necessarily does mikey had a habit— wasn't always necessarily does mikey had a habit of not being very together— had a habit of not being very together a lot of the time, therefore a lot of his answers were a start— therefore a lot of his answers were a start and — therefore a lot of his answers were a start and i— therefore a lot of his answers were a start and i was asking the next question — a start and i was asking the next question. there was a bit of a disconnect— question. there was a bit of a disconnect sentence. i interviewed him several times in most of the times— him several times in most of the times i_ him several times in most of the times i asked to record it rather than _ times i asked to record it rather than do — times i asked to record it rather than do it— times i asked to record it rather than do it live. one night he came to the _ than do it live. one night he came to the radio — than do it live. one night he came to the radio with some of the pogues and they— to the radio with some of the pogues and they had been out summer and how they let _ and they had been out summer and how they let it— and they had been out summer and how they let it go _ and they had been out summer and how they let it go past five minutes i will never — they let it go past five minutes i will never know. people are talking about _ will never know. people are talking about it _ will never know. people are talking about it still takes great radio. it was a _ about it still takes great radio. it was a bit — about it still takes great radio. it was a bit sort of now, i remember him for— was a bit sort of now, i remember him for the — was a bit sort of now, i remember him for the songs. the dark streets of london. — him for the songs. the dark streets of london, rainy night in soho,

sally— of london, rainy night in soho, sally mclennan, all songs. i remember him. and when the thing about— remember him. and when the thing about the _ remember him. and when the thing about the poetry, which is interesting in some ways, i for a short— interesting in some ways, i for a short while — interesting in some ways, i for a short while and i used to come on a friday. _ short while and i used to come on a friday. tried — short while and i used to come on a friday, tried to teach bob dylan's lyrics. _ friday, tried to teach bob dylan's lyrics. and — friday, tried to teach bob dylan's lyrics, and it didn't work. i don't want _ lyrics, and it didn't work. i don't want to— lyrics, and it didn't work. i don't want to really see sheyna's lyrics on a _ want to really see sheyna's lyrics on a piece — want to really see sheyna's lyrics on a piece of paper, just want to hear— on a piece of paper, just want to hear it— on a piece of paper, just want to hear it with _ on a piece of paper, just want to hear it with the music. it's the two together— hear it with the music. it's the two together that do it for me. i'm not crazy— together that do it for me. i'm not crazy about — together that do it for me. i'm not crazy about rock musicians and poetry — crazy about rock musicians and poetry. phil limit once gave me a book— poetry. phil limit once gave me a book of— poetry. phil limit once gave me a book of his — poetry. phil limit once gave me a book of his poetry. we mentioned earlier bruce _ book of his poetry. we mentioned earlier bruce springsteen - book of his poetry. we mentioned earlier bruce springsteen saying l book of his poetry. we mentioned i earlier bruce springsteen saying his songs will be played on 100 years' time. in 100 years' time, if the radio station is still going, will they be playing those songs? that's 'ust -la in: they be playing those songs? that's just playing stuff. — they be playing those songs? that's just playing stuff, even _ they be playing those songs? that's

just playing stuff, even taylor - just playing stuff, even taylor swift — just playing stuff, even taylor swift is — just playing stuff, even taylor swift is to days akimenko springsteen is right, there is one other— springsteen is right, there is one other quote, i think it is bruce springsteen, saying he was the greatest — springsteen, saying he was the greatest songwriter ever. shane wrote _ greatest songwriter ever. shane wrote a — greatest songwriter ever. shane wrote a bunch of songs, mickjagger and keith— wrote a bunch of songs, mickjagger and keith richards wrote hundreds. nick cave _ and keith richards wrote hundreds. nick cave to me is the last —— but the last— nick cave to me is the last —— but the last guitarist of the last 30 years — the last guitarist of the last 30 years. but shane wouldn't be my number— years. but shane wouldn't be my number one of the world.- years. but shane wouldn't be my number one of the world. dave, stay with us from — number one of the world. dave, stay with us from the _ number one of the world. dave, stay with us from the moment. _ number one of the world. dave, stay with us from the moment. you're - with us from the moment. you're watching bbc news, you can get continuing coverage of the funeral on bbc iplayer. so, we are seeing the scene in dublin. someone holding a classic photo of shane mcgullion stop the funeral cortege has come to an end but people are still milling on the streets. i think we'll be talking to one of the journalists.

we see in the coffin go through the centre of dublin and it will be making its way to county tipperary. mark, yourfavourite pogues song? that's not a fair question mark, your favourite pogues song? that's not a fair question at all ajao dirty old town. that's a great song. originally written byjohn mccoll but covered by the pogues. all the ballads stop the moments were g hated the tenderness in his voice. �* were g hated the tenderness in his voice. . ., were g hated the tenderness in his voice. �* ., ., were g hated the tenderness in his voice. . ., ., i. were g hated the tenderness in his voice. . ., ., ,. ~' voice. and how do you think he will be looked back _ voice. and how do you think he will be looked back on _ voice. and how do you think he will be looked back on in, _ voice. and how do you think he will be looked back on in, say, - voice. and how do you think he will be looked back on in, say, 50 - voice. and how do you think he will| be looked back on in, say, 50 years' time? do you have those same feelings as dave has taught his legacy will be? i feelings as dave has taught his legacy will be?— feelings as dave has taught his legacy will be? i think he will be remembered — legacy will be? i think he will be remembered as _ legacy will be? i think he will be remembered as one _ legacy will be? i think he will be remembered as one of - legacy will be? i think he will be remembered as one of the - legacy will be? i think he will be | remembered as one of the great

voices of the irish people. he spoke about experiences in such an evocative way that people had, particularly irish immigrants in england and america and the experiences they had of being down and out or being on the skids, having to scrape a living and doing so with a sense ofjoy but also by drowning your sorrows in drink. there is such humanity and all of his music. i think that is sometimes overshadowed by the lifestyle he led the people talked about his teeth and about the gigs that he missed, but in this kind of first three albums that he did with the pogues when he was on it and wasn't completely succumbing to his demons, there isjust real completely succumbing to his demons, there is just real warmth and compassion and humanity and i think that will be remembered. baht! compassion and humanity and i think that will be remembered.— that will be remembered. and very briefl as that will be remembered. and very briefly as we _ that will be remembered. and very briefly as we come _ that will be remembered. and very briefly as we come to _ that will be remembered. and very briefly as we come to the - that will be remembered. and very briefly as we come to the end, - that will be remembered. and very briefly as we come to the end, will| briefly as we come to the end, will there ever be anyone like him again? you know something, well, the

crystal— you know something, well, the crystal palace tell me now, i don't think— crystal palace tell me now, i don't think so _ crystal palace tell me now, i don't think so i— crystal palace tell me now, i don't think so. i would doubt it. nobody like that — think so. i would doubt it. nobody like that i— think so. i would doubt it. nobody like that. i don't think there will be somebody like shane mcgowan again _ be somebody like shane mcgowan again. then again, interview me in 100 years' — again. then again, interview me in 100 years' time!— again. then again, interview me in 100 years' time! dave, thank you for 'oinin: us. 100 years' time! dave, thank you for joining us- dave _ 100 years' time! dave, thank you for joining us. dave fanning, _ 100 years' time! dave, thank you for joining us. dave fanning, is - 100 years' time! dave, thank you for joining us. dave fanning, is a - joining us. dave fanning, is a journalist in ireland. and also to bbc music correspondent mark savage who we will have coverage from later today of the church service in county tipperary where shane mcgowan's family are. you're watching bbc news.

live from london, this is bbc news. the us secretary of state, antony blinken, issues his strongest critcism of israel yet and says it needs to do more to minimise civilian casualties in gaza. there does remain a gap between exactly what i said when i was there, the intent to protect civilians and the actual results that we're

seeing on the ground. iam anna i am anna foster live injerusalem. the un security council will hold another non—binding vote calling for another non—binding vote calling for a full ceasefire in gaza. president biden's son, hunter, is indicted on nine new tax—related charges — for allegedly failing to pay $1.4 million in taxes. as the un climate summit enters its final days, nations are urged to step up and get thejob done. and crowds of mourners line the streets of dublin to bid a final farewell to pogues frontman shane macgowan. it is ongoing and we will be live there shortly. hello, i'm lucy hockings. welcome to bbc news now, three hours of fast—moving news, interviews and reaction. washington has stepped up its criticism of the way israel is carrying out its military offensive in gaza. the us secretary of state, antony blinken, said there is a gap

between the government's declared intention to protect civilians