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not heart and fire, a fire that is not dimmed by death. for you had heart and fire, a fire that is not dimmed by death. foryou had nips that fire and it burns now all over the world. and so, shane, with words from dad and i, your little sister and your father, we are so proud from dad and i, your little sister and yourfather, we are so proud of you, so very proud of you, our darling. and i whisper farewell to you, but only for now, in your own words. and as the sunset came to meet the evening on the hill i told you i'd always love you. i always did and i always love you. i always did and i always will. applause
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thank you. i was absolutely beautiful. _ thank you. i was absolutely beautiful. thank _ thank you. i was absolutely beautiful. thank you. - thank you. i was absolutely beautiful. thank you. i - thank you. i was absolutely l beautiful. thank you. i wrote thank you. i was absolutely - beautiful. thank you. i wrote this at five o'clock this morning so don't even know how much of it i will read but i will read some of it. first of all i would like to thank obviously upfront but also morris macau because so much of shane is obviously you. you know what i mean, he is so like you and i really appreciate you, maurice and your contribution to having created him and obviously your beloved wife, shane's mother and all of your ancestors because shane was so proud of his ancestors. he spoke about them all of the time and he sometimes communicated with them.
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and i never really met anyone with so much love, respect, admiration and appreciation for his own family. so thank you to all. applause i guess everyone who knew mcelroy knew how much he hated funerals. it was very hard to get him to go to a funeral. there were very few that he did go to. i guess his mothers funeral but very few others. he did not like the idea of death. he did not like the idea of death. he did not want to talk about his own death, ever. he did not believe he was going to die, ever. when i met shane when we got together people started to tell me that he would be dead within six months because he was such a hard drinker and he
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always assured me that he would live to be at least 80. so we were both very very, it took us by surprise, took all of us by surprise because we really did believe that he would come home. so it was a huge shock. what can i say about that, but even though he did not like the idea of death he was what i call a cosmonaut. i'm in a skip ahead because i was thinking about this. i might go back to the spit. when i say a cosmonaut what i mean was he was the kind of person who was not really that interested in living a normal life. he did not want a 9-to-5 normal life. he did not want a 9—to—5job or a mortgage or any of that stuff. what he liked to explore all aspects of consciousness. he
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liked to explore where you could go within your mind. so he was not like one of those people climbed mountains are drug—free cigars or any like that but he did do the equivalent with his mind. and obviously he chose many, many mind altering substances to help him on the journey of exploration. and he really did live so close to the edge it seems like you would fall off many times. me and all of the family, we have lived in terrorfor a very long time. on the plus side, i think the exploration led to a kind of creativity which may not have been possible without the use of all of the substances so i used to watch him and his various states
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communicating with dragons, you know, there was a time i came home and the toilet had been blocked for and the toilet had been blocked for a few hours and big charlie who he lived with was trying to go to the loo and he said, look, shane has beenin loo and he said, look, shane has been in the toilet for the three hours can you try to get him out? as we were banging on the door and he said, i'm talking to james clarence can you go? so they had been talking to james clarence may know him a famous poet for three hours and by the end of the maybe five hours he had a song called london year lady which have been dictated to him by this poet. and another time i came home and he was in the attic and i climbed up the ladder and i said, shane, what are you doing in the attic and he said i'm talking to freddy krueger. freddy krueger is in the attic. freddy krueger is one of the attic. freddy krueger is one of
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thejohnny character. so he had the ability to completely trip out. everyone here probably knows the story about when the pogues were supposed to support bob dylan in america and frank murray ring me and said, i'm not allowed to say the word f, but where the f is shane? he is supposed to be at the airport so we banged on the door, we finally got the door open, she shane was coming down the stairs with blood dripping out of his mouth holding a beach boys record which he had been eating and he said to us, i have just been having a summit meeting with all of the world leaders and have been giving them caviar in marmite sandwiches and i'm trying to get world peace so i haven't got time to go to the airport. at even the beach boys record to demonstrate the beach boys record to demonstrate the cultural inferiority of the united states. —— he had eaten. but
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he really wanted to point out, it was not ted sounds. so in a way, when i first got together with him he used to carry an encyclopaedia of pharmacology. do you remember that? to remedy encyclopaedia of pharmacology? i can't member the name of it but it had every drug that had ever been made listed and what they do to you. so any time anyone had any kind of pill, even a pain he would say, ijust want to look that up in my book and he would decide if you want to take it or not. so he explored, he was an explorer like william burrs or hunter thompson but he explored the boundaries of what you can do while you are still in a physical body. and his physical body lasted a long time considering what he did to it. there was a time when he was taking
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100 tabs a acid today. i had no idea how a human being could survive that. and... yeah, what else was i going to say? he was creating music and lyrics all the time that he was doing this. i don't know if any of you have had the chance to look at the drawings that he did, but some of them, they are incredibly, it's like you can feel where he went. it's like he travelled in space and you could feel where he went by looking at the drawings. they are really evocative and i think it was a brilliant artist. in the visual sense notjust as a lyricist. and when he was writing, he was also drawing. and it all came tumbling out. i rememberwhen drawing. and it all came tumbling out. i remember when he wrote some
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rents die and we were in thailand and he had some tight white and i will not elaborate on that, but he had wrote that on a casio that he bought from a local shop in thailand but it sounded like he could hear it. i cannot hear it because it sounded like a crock a little casio to me but he could hear some are in that ten which is one of the most beautiful songs i had ever heard sue's mind was capable of going to these places that normal mines do not go to. i give thanks for that. i feel that he is created and church contributed something to our canon and he may have had to sacrifice a great deal to do that, but to my mind, it was worth it. i will move on to the religious aspect because i think that is important as well.
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shane, he did notjust like to go to the dark places and to the weird places come he also liked to go to the more blissful transcendent and spiritual places and he could go there with music and quite often he would go there by listening to music. so one of our favourite things to do was to listen to astor weeks and we could listen to it for eight hours at a time and we would sitting there listening to it all day and we would just both be in a state of pure bliss so i think we probably had that in common that music could take us places. if that were so heavenly that it was like god. i think music in a way is like god, to shane and john coltrane and other musicians. it was his way of communicating god. but he was
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intensely religious. we all know that about him. i've met a lot of priests in my time and i don't know about you guys, but i have yet to meet one who genuinely believes that he is imbued with christ when he takes the communion. but shane got a physical, visceral bugs out of the holy communion which was almost as good as a drug for him. hejust loved it. he absolutely loved it. one of the funny things that happened in the hospital was that we had the holy communion in a little receptacle on his hospital table, you know. and one of the priests came in and i said, oh, nice that you came in, shane is very religious and he will be delighted to see you. he takes the holy communion every day. and the priests was horrified
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and he said, what do you mean? how can you possibly take the holy communion every day, where does he get it? and i was like oh, hejust gets it, i will not tell you where he gets it from i will not reveal the source. the priest said, that's a legal! do not allowed to have the holy communion, that's secret, or whatever. —— a secret. so the priest had to confiscate his holy communion i thought he must be the only man in the world who had been busted for holy communion. applause shane prayed every single day. he was very grateful to be alive, grateful for the gift of life. every morning when he woke up he gave thanks and prayed to god for giving him another day. and he also prayed
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for people. all kinds of people, all the time. every day, all day. and i thought it was funny because he sometimes and actually quite often prayed for people on television and in films who were actors, who were not really dead it all, they were just acting dead. but he would still be praying and he would just be covering all bases just in case. it was just very beautiful his devotion was just very beautiful his devotion was very beautiful, but it was also very radical. i think in the sense that he reinvented irish music and made it into a very different thing, but he also reinvented religion and make that into very different thing. because he believes in a god who could also be called a law, he could be called the how he could be called by any of the names that we in the world used to describe god —— he
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could be called allah. he was into dye was in very much and read a lot of alan watts and read a lot of eastern philosophy in zen buddhism and he read the koran and he loves it and he loved and respected every religious text he could get his hand on. i think that is unique. i suppose he distilled the essence of that and love. hejust loves suppose he distilled the essence of that and love. he just loves to humanity and he believed god is love. and ultimately, god is compassion and god is forgiveness. so shane, although in the early days when i first met him he was a little bit slow to forgive the brits. he came around to it and he started to really, really, really forgive everybody, everything immediately. i
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hope you don't mind me saying this, but whenjohnny had a court case involving his ex—wife amber and shane had a long conversation with you, didn't he and urged you to forgive amber. yeah. hejust you, didn't he and urged you to forgive amber. yeah. he just thought it was the best thing to do because he just believed genuinely in forgiveness and i i'm sure you have by now, having you? of course you have. of course you have. but yeah, he would not hold a grudge against anyone. he would not see the bad in anyone. he would not see the bad in anyone. particularly towards the end, he became. when i first met him he was not really, he was very much a humanitarian and socialist and he loved people, but he didn't necessarily demonstrate that to his friends, always. he could be quite cantankerous and rude and sometimes hostile and i'm sure the pogues will attest to that. but towards the end
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he just told everyone how much he loved them. nurses in the hospital were almost shocked because he would say i love you and he had never even met them before. you just say i love you. he loves obviously pt who is here today, she shared a beautiful piece of information with me which is that shane was the first person to have told her that he loved her and ijust think, for so many people, he wasjust and ijust think, for so many people, he was just so full of love that and i am feeling so much love now from him that i don't think he can go away. i don't think love can go away, can it? i reallyjust don't. applause imean, i i mean, i guess you always know and he always had a bunch of scout players and sometimes he had so many religious metals and scalp letters
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that the heat turned into this kind of mess around his neck it was like this big blob of metals and scapular errors so, i think he was trying to convey to people that there is something in this stuff. there is something in this stuff. there is something in this stuff. there is something injesus that is worth thinking about. it's worth valuing, exploring, thatjesus is real. a realforce. exploring, thatjesus is real. a real force. jesus is a exploring, thatjesus is real. a realforce. jesus is a realforce and love is real. and it transcends all barriers of race, class, nationality, and of that stuff. it is just everything. nationality, and of that stuff. it isjust everything. love is everything. and for me, obviously my relationship with him was a romantic relationship. but even though obviously when you meet someone and you fall in love, there is obviously very much about a physical thing, but for me it was not, it was weird
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because i think i fell in love with his soul. straightaway. ijust saw this soul shining at me and i felt like we were absolutely destined to be together. we were destined to, yeah. it took a few years because i met him when i was 16 and we didn't get together until i was 20. but there was a magnet pulling me to him. and when he first told me that he loved me, i remember, you guys are going on tour, pogues were going on tour and, are going on tour, pogues were going on tourand, no, you are going on tour, pogues were going on tour and, no, you weren't. you're going to spain to make a film, a crabby film which we won't say any more about. but the night before he left he said, i love you and i said, i love you and he said, i know. and i love you and he said, i know. and i said, how do you know, it because he said in your sleep the other night. so it wasjust
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he said in your sleep the other night. so it was just to he said in your sleep the other night. so it wasjust to me, ifelt like i had won the lottery and i felt like there was nothing more that my life needed in order to be complete. then to be with him. and i'm very grateful and i think obviously, i loved his physical body and i loved his presence and i love to smile and i loved his voice and i love the fact that 50 times a day we would laugh at each other and smile at each other and say i love you to each other. we used to say, i'm so glad to see you, and we had said that even though we had been in the room together all day we would still say, i'm so glad to see you. and i have yet to meet a couple who have that gift. i have still not met a couple, no matter how successful or glamourous or whatever they are, good looking, ijust have not met
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anyone else who has that connection. so it would be greedy to want more than we got, we got so much. i know will come of course i will miss him and i have been devastated and i will be crying and crying and crying, but at the same time as crying, but at the same time as crying and feeling devastated, i think it is possible to also feel that my heart has got bigger and it has got so much bigger as a result of our relationship that it can never really go back. i can never go back to being the kind of person i was before i met him. and another beautiful thing about shane and i'm sure, i think you said this, is that he could never pass a homeless person without stopping and pulling out a wad of cash and giving them a cigarette or whatever it was that they wanted and and never in any way wejudge them or they wanted and and never in any way we judge them or patronise them or if they wanted a drink he would give
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them a drink. he totally respected their choice and freedom of choice. i think that is a very beautiful thing because we are very quick to judge in our society, people who are marginalised. people who live on the street and they go, somehow it must be their own fault, that addiction is somehow their own fault. so i think he also did something very powerfulfor addiction think he also did something very powerful for addiction and for people with addiction. and that he demonstrated that it is possible to be a multiple drug abuser, notjust an alcoholic but an absolute multiple every kind of drug known to man, there was a single drug he did not take and to still be a genius and a beautiful soul and make a massive contribution to the worlds and be loved. so next time you see someone who you are thinking, that guy isjust an someone who you are thinking, that guy is just an alcoholic or drug addict, stop. give thought to it and
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just let yourself just addict, stop. give thought to it and just let yourselfjust consider giving a bit of compassion and respect to that person. that would be my final message. applause thanks everyone. thanks. applause thank you, victoria for that intimate sharing of your love and the living you had together and that honest reflection on life and living. honest reflection on life and livina. �* ., ., ., ., living. before our final message now we have another— living. before our final message now we have another piece _ living. before our final message now we have another piece of— living. before our final message now we have another piece of music - living. before our final message now we have another piece of music so i |
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we have another piece of music so i call onjim, terry, spider, james from the parting glass. tuning
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just before we start this, i have a note from the drummer for those of you who do not know. he's very ill with copd and could not travel today but he asked me if i could read this so i will. just a note to shane and a very short poem. thank you shane. thank you for the friendship, thank you for the conversation, thank you for the insights, thank you for the laughter. at times side splitting hilarity. thank you for the craftsmanship, thank you for the poetry, thank you for the sole and thank you for the jazz. and thank you, shane, above all for the brilliant, timeless, shining souls. we also shared a a deep appreciation and love of nature, hence, a short
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goodbye. thejoyous peal of sweeting sweats, dark flats of airborne ecstasy and suddenly, they are gone. rest in peace, shane. with love, from and you. applause music
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#to # to memory now # to memory now # i can't recall # i can't recall # so feel to me the parting glass # so feel to me the parting glass # good night and joy be with you all. # 0h, all all. # oh, all the comrades that i ever i had # they are sorry for my going away # they are sorry for my going away # and all the sweethearts that ever i had # they'd wish me one more day to stay # but since it falls onto my lot # but since it falls onto my lot # that i should rise and you should not # all gently rise and softly call # all gently rise and softly call # good night and joy be with you
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all. # if i had money to spend # if i had money to spend # and leisure time to sit a while # and leisure time to sit a while # there is a fair made in the town # there is a fair made in the town # she sorely has my heart beguiled. # she sorely has my heart beguiled. # her rosy cheeks and ruby lips # her rosy cheeks and ruby lips # i own she has my heart and # i own she has my heart and # so filled to me the parting glass # so filled to me the parting glass # good night and joy be with you all. cheering
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applause pogues ending the funeral of the front man, shane macgowan. the irish president michael d higgins and hollywood actorjohnny depp were amongst those who took part in the funeral mass in tipperary. a recording of bono was played as he is performing currently with u2. there were a number of musical performances throughout the funeral, one of the most emotional was towards the end of the service when glenn had
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with the performance of fairy tales of new york. originally shane macgowan performed that in 1998. at that point family members were dancing in the aisles. his sister, siobhan rose to deliver the eulogy after that performance. smiling, she told mourners, wow, ithink shane would have enjoyed that. that, some said offer my brother, so thank you. you have been watching coverage of shane macgowan�*s funeral from tipperary. you are watching bbc news. tonight at six saudi arabia spends billions of pounds on international report we have a special report asking why. generating plenty of hype and potentially growth, too. from top flight football to the america's cup —
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