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tv   HAR Dtalk  BBC News  December 12, 2023 4:30am-5:01am GMT

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to the fury of the rulers of the islamic republic, narges mohammadi's voice of resistance will not be silenced. shouting. back in 1979, the iranian revolution swept the shah out of power, and ushered in the rule of the shia clerics, led by ayatollah khomeini. narges mohammadi was just seven at the time. the revolution changed her life. she trained as a scientist, but having seen family members arrested and imprisoned, she was drawn to journalism and to protest. she married academic and political dissident, taghi rahmani. they became a power couple in iran's protest movement. he spent years in prison before fleeing into exile. soon, their two childrenjoined him. since the green movement protests of 2009,
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iran has been roiled by sporadic mass protests. narges has spent much of the last decade either in court or in prison, for campaigns against political repression, the death penalty and prison abuses. one of her fellow inmates in evin prison was the british—iranian woman, nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe. she is a very lively, very kind, very generous woman who would make sure that everyone who comes to the general ward feels comfortable. when 22—year—old mahsa amini died in police custody in september 2022, having been detained for violating the islamic dress code, a new protest movement led by women and girls confronted the regime. the slogan woman life freedom swept through iran and across the world.
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from her prison cell, narges mohammadi smuggled out messages of support and defiance. she speaks french. narges mohammadi hasn't seen her teenage daughter and son for eight years. she calls that a pain that reaches to the marrow of her bones. they will accept the nobel peace prize on her behalf, a moment that will bring home the price narges mohammadi has paid to continue her struggle. taghi rahmani, welcome to hardtalk. it's a great pleasure to meet you and to talk to you. and i must begin by wishing you many congratulations, of course, on behalf of your wife who has won this amazing award, the nobel peace prize. but i imagine you being here and her unable to be here, your emotions must
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feel very mixed today.
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i want to ask you a few personal questions, if i may. the first is a very basic one. she is in evin prison. are you and your two children able to communicate with her right now?
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but can you...? literally, can you talk to her at the moment on the telephone? is it possible? i just wonder whether you have a sense of how she is feeling right now, because i know she's aware that you and your children, ali and kiana, have come to 0slo to receive the prize on her behalf. but are you able to tell me how she is feeling right now?
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you and narges have made extraordinary sacrifices to continue your human rights campaigning work. i know you have been in prison, i think, for more than 14 years inside iran before you took the decision to leave the country. and, of course, you now live in france. you and narges have had very little opportunity to actually enjoy married life together because, of course, in recent years, you've been completely separated and she spent most of the recent years in prison. have you and she talked
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about the price you have had to pay to continue this work of yours? what does she say about it?
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it is very difficult for me to imagine what it has been like both for you and for narges as a family. because if one thinks about the amount of time she has spent in prison, the reality is that, for more than half of your two children's lives, ali and kiana, she has been completely separated from them. she has not been able to see them at all. it's a huge sacrifice. she has talked about it. she's talked about how the pain of separation "reaches "to the marrow of her bones".
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try and explain to me what it is, what is the strength, the determination inside your wife that makes her able to withstand that kind of pain.
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you talk about iran being a land in crisis and, of course, the crisis has intensified since the killing in detention of the young woman, mahsa amini, who was picked up by the morality police because they said she was violating the rules on proper dress in iran. since then, we've seen waves of protest across the country, particularly young people, particularly women, chanting, "woman, life, freedom."
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does narges, who, of course, is watching this from evin prison, does she believe that this protest movement can fundamentally change iran?
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0n the specific question of the compulsory hijab, which was obviously the spark for this protest movement and the slogan, "woman, life, freedom," narges has written from prison in words that were smuggled out, in which we have all seen. she has said, "the compulsory hijab "is an instrument of domination. "it is one way in which the regime," she says, "has legalised and systemised "the tyranny and repression of women."
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would it therefore be fair to say that narges believes that that there cannot be freedom, democracy, equality in iran under the current islamic theocratic regime? your wife knows better than anybody the determination
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of the islamic republic leadership to suppress the current protest movement and to repress the freedom movement that you and your wife are a part of. she wrote this extraordinary book, white torture, about the treatment of women prisoners, about the way in which solitary confinement and cruelty is systemised in evin prison. given that determination on the part of the regime, how can narges continue to believe, as she seems to, that victory will come for those who are campaigning for freedom and democracy?
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if i may interrupt, just for a moment, look at the reality. hundreds of people killed during the protests, the death penalty being used against some of those who were part of the protest movement. everything suggests the regime is actually cracking down harder and many of the protests have been reduced in size and scale. to the outsider, it looks as though the regime believes
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it can outlast the protest movement.
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i need to end, if i may, asking you another difficult and personal question. narges mohammadi has suffered terribly in prison. her health has been very poor at times. she almost died on one occasion in prison. she still faces years in prison. she still faces, in theory, more than 100 lashes as part of her punishment.
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do you believe that you and your children are going to be reunited with narges one day?
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do you think winning this prize might make a big difference to the causes that narges has devoted her life to?
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taghi rahmani, we must end there, but i must congratulate both you and your children for being here in oslo to receive the nobel peace prize on your wife's behalf and thank you also very much for being on hardtalk.
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hello. tuesday is going to bring a lot of cloud and the skies will look rather like the picture behind me. on top of that, shower clouds are expected as well. some of the showers could be heavy, the odd crack of thunder and additionally it will be quite windy around southwestern parts of the uk, but it's going to be relatively mild first thing. now, the satellite picture shows fairly clear weather as we're in between weather systems, or we were during monday. but now the clear skies are giving way to this area of low pressure, which will be moving across the uk during the course of tuesday and will continue to affect our weather at least for a time on wednesday. so the forecast then through the early hours, we will have had some rain across northern ireland, southwestern scotland, the north of england too, rain elsewhere, but also one or two clear spells and really quite mild in the south. 11 degrees in plymouth,
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about that in london. but for the most part, it's about 5 to 8 degrees. so certainly no frost first thing. and the forecast then for tuesday. so here's that area of low pressure as it slowly barrels across the uk. here's the weather front spiralling into the centre of the low where the winds are actually really light. so any showers that circle within this low right in the middle could last for quite some time. they'll be slow—moving, very little wind to push them around. but just to the south, around the southwestern approaches cornwall, devon, central southern england, the winds really could be quite gusty, 40—50mph winds around coasts. on top of that, an onshore wind here around eastern scotland and the northeast of england will make things really wet and it could last right until wednesday. now, on wednesday, finally, that low pressure pulls away out towards the west, high pressure builds. and that means there'll be some sunshine, for example, in glasgow, liverpool and in cardiff. but the east coasts could stay quite cloudy, gloomy and feel chilly in that breeze off the north sea.
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here's a look at thursday and into the weekend, really. eventually, all weather fronts clear, high pressure starts to build from the southwest. but there is a lot of cloud stuck in this area of high pressure. so not necessarily all that sunny. and in fact, the northwest of the uk may continue to be brushed by weather fronts coming off the atlantic. so, yes, for the majority of us, the weather settles down come friday and should stay dry and bright with a bit of luck into the weekend. but the north could be wet at times. bye— bye.
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live from london, this is bbc news. rishi sunak tries to head off a rebellion by conservtive mps, ahead of a key vote on his rwanda asylum policy. anger at the un climate summit, after a draft final agreement fails to call for the phase out of fossil fuels. more flares and explosions in gaza overnight — the un general assembly will vote again today on a resolution calling for a ceasefire. and ukraine's president zelensky is in washington, as efforts to secure a new package of us aid
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stall in congress. hello, i'm sally bundock. a very warm welcome to the programme. uk prime minister rishi sunak is hosting a breakfast meeting for mps at downing street this morning as he attempts to persuade them to back his plans to send asylum seekers to rwanda. every vote counts for the prime minister who is holding a vote on the controversial rwanda plan later today. a revolt byjust 29 conservative rebels would be enough to reject the bill. 0ur political correpsondent iain watson reports. is rishi sunak in danger of losing control of his policy to stop the boat? a vote in
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parliament today on his plan to

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