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as the government debates shortly as the government debates the bill, before mps debate to vote on it later this evening. the labour leader sir keir starmer criticised the government's bill ahead of a crucial vote that is happening today. we can talk no to the chair of the conservative party, thank you forjoining us on the programme. a lot of negotiations happening today. tell us a bit about what the party and the prime minister is trying to do to make sure this legislation passes today. do to make sure this legislation passes today-— do to make sure this legislation asses toda . ~ , , ., ., passes today. well, this legislation is absolutely _ passes today. well, this legislation is absolutely crucial _ passes today. well, this legislation is absolutely crucial for _ passes today. well, this legislation is absolutely crucial for us - passes today. well, this legislation is absolutely crucial for us to - passes today. well, this legislation is absolutely crucial for us to get i is absolutely crucial for us to get control of illegal migration into this country and get the rwanda bill moving and get those planes taking off. we have already seen big action from the government to tackle illegal migration over the last few years. we have intelligence sharing
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with turkey, returns agreement with places like albania and crossings on the channel down by a third. we have action taking hundreds of people arrested who have been part of a legal all involved in trafficking here in the uk as well. this is the next step on that, this will be the top is legislation that has ever been brought forward by a british government to tackle illegal immigration and that is what we are really focusing on today —— top as legislation. we heard from keir starmer early on, he doesn't back the plan. his only plan is to borrow £28 million a year more. which would go into higher taxes for everyone in the country. he wants open borders, he opposes our rwanda bill today because he is not interested in controlling illegal immigration and what we are really trying to assert colleagues at the moment is that this is a very important next step in exactly what we are trying to do, which is tackle illegal migration across the channel.— which is tackle illegal migration across the channel. you're talking about tackling _ across the channel. you're talking about tackling illegal _ across the channel. you're talking about tackling illegal migration, l about tackling illegal migration, but this really has turned into a
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vote into the status of the conservative party. and you mentioned sir keir starmer. he says the conservative party is making the country part of this internal psychodrama. do you understand his point, which is it is exposing the weaknesses of the conservative party when they should be governing the country? when they should be governing the count ? , , ., , . when they should be governing the count? , , . ., country? this is our third piece of im ortant country? this is our third piece of important legislation _ country? this is our third piece of important legislation ratcheting l country? this is our third piece of| important legislation ratcheting up those controls on illegal migration. this is exactly part of that plan. keir starmer doesn't have a plan to deal with illegal migration. back in the day, he said all immigration controls were racist, he has opposed every single measure we have brought forward to stop the boats and stop people dying in the channel. and in his speech today when he was talking he didn't really even talk about this stuff. he didn't even mention his own plans for an extra £28 billion of borrowing a year. he is the only person who will benefit tonight from any issues around is
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not supporting this legislation. we need to be united as a party and get behind the prime minister and deliver the toughest ever migration controls. but deliver the toughest ever migration controls. �* , ., ., , , controls. but “ust to answer my question. — controls. butjust to answer my question, please. _ controls. butjust to answer my question, please. you - controls. butjust to answer my question, please. you talk - controls. butjust to answer my question, please. you talk a i controls. butjust to answer myi question, please. you talk a lot about illegal immigration, but this really is shaping up to be a vote on the party's confidence in the prime minister, his authority over the party, just answer that point. this party, “ust answer that point. this is a party, just answer that point. this is a vote about _ party, just answer that point. ti 3 is a vote about illegal immigration and weather winner take the next step in really trying to control it. these are the toughest measures ever. listen to the former warlords who have been commenting on this —— and whether to take the next step. lord sumption and lord wolfson, highly respected legal experts who say this is the topless legislation that has ever been brought forward. i hope colleagues see that for what it is, a top plan to really crackdown on illegal migration. and also, that they see the alternative is put out by keir starmer today.
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extra borrowing which means more taxes for every family in the country and an open door approach to illegal and legal migration. that is the difference between the conservative party and labour party and i really hope my colleagues today really think about that before casting their votes this afternoon and evening. casting their votes this afternoon and evening-— casting their votes this afternoon and evenina. ., and evening. you say you hope your colleaaues and evening. you say you hope your colleagues will _ and evening. you say you hope your colleagues will think— and evening. you say you hope your colleagues will think about - and evening. you say you hope your colleagues will think about that - and evening. you say you hope your colleagues will think about that and | colleagues will think about that and we are seeing in the hours before this vote that right now, you are still negotiating with different mps. how hopeful are you they will back your legislation? this mps. how hopeful are you they will back your legislation?— back your legislation? this is a clear pound. — back your legislation? this is a clear pound, this _ back your legislation? this is a clear pound, this is _ back your legislation? this is a clear pound, this is part - back your legislation? this is a clear pound, this is part of - back your legislation? this is a clear pound, this is part of a i back your legislation? this is a - clear pound, this is part of a major strategy the government has taken we have already those returns agreements in place with countries like albania —— clear plan. we have intelligence sharing with countries like turkey, doing hundreds of arrests in the uk. small boat arrivals have dropped by a third. if you want to tackle it head amid this legislation is the best way to do it and i really hope colleagues report that because theyjust need to look at the other side and what that would mean. open borders with labour, soaring borrowing and higher
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taxes with labour, and they have no desire to control this. all colleagues on the conservative side really need to think about the long—term interests of the country. that is passing this legislation tonight. that is passing this legislation toniaht. , ., that is passing this legislation toni.ht_ , ., , that is passing this legislation toniaht. , ., , tonight. sorry to interrupt you, the debate has — tonight. sorry to interrupt you, the debate has begun _ tonight. sorry to interrupt you, the debate has begun and _ tonight. sorry to interrupt you, the debate has begun and we - tonight. sorry to interrupt you, the debate has begun and we can - tonight. sorry to interrupt you, the debate has begun and we can take| debate has begun and we can take viewers to the house of commons now. 1,000 albanians and arrivals from that country are down by 90%. nine, 0%. but in recent years, some of the government's efforts to tackle illegal migration and deport foreign national offenders have been frustrated by a seemingly endless cycle of legal challenges and rulings from domestic and foreign courts. just momentarily, of course, of course this government respects courtjudgments, even when we disagree with them. but parliament and the british people want an end
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to illegal immigration and they support the rwanda plan. i’m to illegal immigration and they support the rwanda plan. i'm very crateful to support the rwanda plan. i'm very grateful to the _ support the rwanda plan. i'm very grateful to the home _ support the rwanda plan. i'm very grateful to the home secretary - support the rwanda plan. i'm very grateful to the home secretary for giving way, but he has pointed to deterrence and he has often used the australian model of off shoring detention centres as a gold standard. what are his comments on the fact that australia has recently shut down the offshore centre because of the high financial and human costs? the because of the high financial and human costs?— because of the high financial and human costs? the honourable lady raises the case _ human costs? the honourable lady raises the case of _ human costs? the honourable lady raises the case of australia. - human costs? the honourable lady raises the case of australia. the i raises the case of australia. the legal migration by boats, 55,000 that they had, down to pretty much zero. deterrent works. my that they had, down to pretty much zero. deterrent works.— zero. deterrent works. my right honourable _ zero. deterrent works. my right honourable friend _ zero. deterrent works. my right honourable friend i'm _ zero. deterrent works. my right honourable friend i'm sure - zero. deterrent works. my right honourable friend i'm sure willl honourable friend i'm sure will agree that the british are world champions at queueing. we don't like queuejumpers, which is why illegal immigration rates with us. can he confirm that the government will take all steps to ensure that we
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remain within international law, just not now, but going forward? in which case, i will certainly be supporting the bill tonight. but can he also does he also agree with me that some colleagues in this place need to be careful what they wish for? 50 need to be careful what they wish for? ., _, need to be careful what they wish for? . _, ., for? so i am confident and indeed, the conversations _ for? so i am confident and indeed, the conversations that _ for? so i am confident and indeed, the conversations that i've - for? so i am confident and indeed, the conversations that i've had - for? so i am confident and indeed, | the conversations that i've had with the conversations that i've had with the government's legal advisers reinforce my belief that the actions that we are taking whilst novel, whilst very much pushing at the edge of the envelope, within the framework of international law, and thatis framework of international law, and that is important. that is important. because the uk is a country that demonstrates the whole world the importance of international law. we champion that on the world stage and it's important that we demonstrate it. i am going to make further progress. judges of course play an important role. but they are not policymakers,
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they should not be policymakers. so when the courts find a particular formulation of policy unlawful, it is the job of politicians to listen to their views, respect their views and find a solution. i will make further progress. thanks to the efforts on the part of the uk government and the government of rwanda, that is exactly what we have donein rwanda, that is exactly what we have done in response to the verdict from the supreme court. the new treaty that i signed last week with rwanda and the bill that accompanies it game changing. the principle of relocating people to a safe country to have their asylum claim processed their is entirely consistent with their is entirely consistent with the terms of the refugee convention. both the high court and the court of
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appeal unanimously, unanimously confirmed this point. i’m appeal unanimously, unanimously confirmed this point.— confirmed this point. i'm very crateful confirmed this point. i'm very grateful to — confirmed this point. i'm very grateful to my _ confirmed this point. i'm very grateful to my right - confirmed this point. i'm very i grateful to my right honourable friend. he was an excellent foreign secretary, so he will know the extraordinary tensions that exist between the democratic republic of the congo and rwanda. the democratic republic of the congo accuses rwanda of sponsoring a terrorist organisation which is violating congolese women and killing congolese women and killing congolese soldiers. the congolese president has named the rwandan president has named the rwandan president is a hitler —like figure this week. what is his response to the concerns of our congolese friends in this regard? in the concerns of our congolese friends in this regard?- the concerns of our congolese friends in this regard? in my formal role -- former— friends in this regard? in my formal role -- former role, _ friends in this regard? in my formal role -- former role, i— friends in this regard? in my formal role -- former role, i had _ friends in this regard? in my formalj role -- former role, i had extensive role —— former role, i had extensive conversations with the government of the democratic republic of congo and rwanda. we do not agree with that assessment of the government of
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rwanda. more importantly, other international organisations also rely heavily on rwanda. the unhcr, the european union, organisations which rely heavily on rwanda. they would not do that if they believed rwanda was an unsafe country. i do intend to make further progress. there will be plenty of opportunity in the second reading debate for colleagues to speak. can in the second reading debate for colleagues to speak.— in the second reading debate for colleagues to speak. can i thank the minister for — colleagues to speak. can i thank the minister for giving _ colleagues to speak. can i thank the minister for giving way? _ colleagues to speak. can i thank the minister for giving way? minister, i minister for giving way? minister, just yesterday, i receive correspondence which i think i would quote, eu council directive 2005 is caught by article two of the protocol which can be relied upon in northern ireland, but not in gb in relation to the rwanda bill going forward. article seven confirms the right to remain in the territory whilst a claim is being processed. this clearly creates additional rights in northern ireland which
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doesn't apply in gb and expressly frustrates the core intent of the rwanda bill in northern ireland, has the minister had the opportunity to look to that? the the minister had the opportunity to look to that?— look to that? the point he makes about differential— look to that? the point he makes about differential treatment - look to that? the point he makes about differential treatment in i about differential treatment in different parts of the uk is one we are conscious of. as the bill progresses, he and others will have the opportunity to raise concerns about specific details. and we will of course listen to his and the concerns of others. this bill attempts, and this bill when passed will address the practical implications. at the moment, the challenges and numbers of refugees in northern ireland is not one that is as significant as other parts of the uk, but we are always conscious to make sure all parts of the uk, and he has heard me say this before, that all parts of the uk are and feel that they are in the thinking of the government as we move
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forward. i'm going to make further progress. the principle of relocating people to a safe country to have their asylum claims processed is entirely consistent. as i say, the high court and the court of appeal unanimously confirmed this. and the supreme court in their findings three weeks ago did not dispute those findings. i will give way. dispute those findings. i will give wa . �* , dispute those findings. i will give wa. �* , ., ., dispute those findings. i will give wa . �* , ., ., , way. i'm extremely grateful to my rirht way. i'm extremely grateful to my right honourable _ way. i'm extremely grateful to my right honourable friend. - way. i'm extremely grateful to my right honourable friend. does - way. i'm extremely grateful to my right honourable friend. does he| right honourable friend. does he agree that it is clear in international law and also in relation to the question of the rule of law that where in this country, with our own —— with our own constitution, a clear and unambiguous use of words clearly establishing the intention of parliament in the enactment of a law doesin parliament in the enactment of a law does in fact take precedence over
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international law in accordance with the judgments of lord international law in accordance with thejudgments of lord hoffmann international law in accordance with the judgments of lord hoffmann and also otherjudgments and statements made by lord judge, lord denning and other very distinguished jurists, including in relation to this particularjudgment last month in particular judgment last month in paragraph 1114? particularjudgment last month in paragraph 1114? mr; particularjudgment last month in paragraph 144?— particularjudgment last month in paragraph 144? paragraph i“? my honourable and learned paragraph 144? my honourable and learned friend _ paragraph 144? my honourable and learned friend makes _ paragraph 144? my honourable and learned friend makes the _ paragraph 144? my honourable and | learned friend makes the important point and he is right. when the wording of a bill is clear and unambiguous, whether it is a deeming clause, that that is the express will of parliament and pop —— and parliament is sovereign and that thinking must be adhered to through the legal process. so he is right on that. i am going to make progress. i am going to make progress. a few weeks ago, the supreme court upheld thejudgment of the weeks ago, the supreme court upheld the judgment of the court of appeal. meaning that we cannot yet lawfully remove people to rwanda. this is
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because of concerns that they expressed that relocated individuals might be refouled deported to a third country. the government disagreed with that verdict, but we respect the verdict of their lordships. it's important to understand that the supreme court's judgment was based on the facts as they existed i8 judgment was based on the facts as they existed 18 months ago, and that they existed 18 months ago, and that the court said the problem could be remedied. and as i told the house last week, we have worked on and have found that very remedied. our asylum partnership with rwanda, i am going to make progress, our asylum partnership with rwanda sets out in a legally—binding international treaty the obligations both of the
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united kingdom and of rwanda within international law. it also sets out... i international law. it also sets out... ., , international law. it also sets out... . , ., international law. it also sets out... ., , ., ., , out... i am extremely gratefulto my rirht out... i am extremely gratefulto my right honourable _ out... i am extremely gratefulto my right honourable friend _ out... i am extremely gratefulto my right honourable friend for - out... i am extremely gratefulto my right honourable friend for giving i right honourable friend for giving way. as he says, international law and domestic law are both important, but they are different. this bill looks to give this house the power to deem rwanda a safe country. can he confirm for me that what it does not seek to do is to suggest that this country or this house has the power to deem itself in compliance with international law? and my worry stems from clause one five of this bill which of course reflects the gum's intention to deem rwanda a safe country and then goes on to describe a safe country to which persons may rue —— may be removed within compliance of the uk's
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obligations in compliance with international law. is it not the government's intention to suggest it bolster any country to deem itself in compliance with international law? he doesn't need me to explain what the consequences of that might be elsewhere in the world, that is not the gum's intention and he will look again at the language if it needs to be changed to clarify that. —— the government's intention. that -- the government's intention. that is absolutely — -- the government's intention. that is absolutely not _ -- the government's intention. that is absolutely not the _ —— the government's intention. trust is absolutely not the intention of the bill. the deeming clause is specifically about the safety of rwanda because of our response to their lordships position at the supreme court hearing. we are not seeking to redefine through domestic legislation international law. and then i will give way to the honourable leonard lady. i am irateful honourable leonard lady. i am grateful to _ honourable leonard lady. i am grateful to him _ honourable leonard lady. i am grateful to him for— honourable leonard lady. i am grateful to him for giving - honourable leonard lady. i am grateful to him for giving way. if he is right and the treaty with rwanda meets the concerns of the
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supreme court, why is this bill necessary if rwanda is now a safe country as a result of the treaty, why is this highly controversial bill clearly causing him great problems in his own parliamentary party, why is it necessary? because we are putting _ party, why is it necessary? because we are putting forward _ party, why is it necessary? because we are putting forward legislation i we are putting forward legislation which will be clear and unambiguous. so as to support the treaty. and the treaty addresses, the treaty addresses the concerns raised by their lordships. and with the indulgence of the house, mr speaker, i do intend to make some progress. i want to make sure others have the full chance to speak in this debate. as i say, the bill sets out to parliament and to the court why rwanda is safe for those relocated there. the treaty that i signed last week puts beyond legal dealt the safety of rwanda. it provides the
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basis to end the merry—go—round of legal challenges that have second—guessed the will of parliament and frustrated this policy, this house and the desire of the british people. rwanda will introduce an even stronger end to end asylum system. stronger still than the one which underpins their relationship with the unhcr. it will have a specialist asylum appeals tribunal. i have a specialist asylum appeals tribunal. ~' ., ., . ., , tribunal. i think the home secretary for aaivin tribunal. i think the home secretary for giving way- _ tribunal. i think the home secretary for giving way. since _ tribunal. i think the home secretary for giving way. since we _ tribunal. i think the home secretary for giving way. since we last - tribunal. i think the home secretary for giving way. since we last spoke i for giving way. since we last spoke in this house, it has now been confirmed that the government has given the rwandan government 240 million come up with a further 50 million come up with a further 50 million to come in april —— to come -- 240 million to come in april —— to come —— 240 million, with a further. can he know confirmed the government
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deal also means a further 50,000,020 25 and a further 50 million on top of that in 2026 —— can he now confirm? of that in 2026 -- can he now confirm?— of that in 2026 -- can he now confirm? ., ., ., , confirm? the right honourable lady has asked me _ confirm? the right honourable lady has asked me to _ confirm? the right honourable lady has asked me to confirm _ confirm? the right honourable lady has asked me to confirm figures i has asked me to confirm figures which we have put in the public domain. so unsurprisingly, i am totally comfortable confirming what i have already said, mr deputy speaker. it provides, macro will introduce an even stronger. she has a chance to make a speech in just a few moments. —— rwanda will introduce. it will have, the system of specialist asylum tribunal is will consider individual appeals against any reviews claim. within rwanda. it will have one rwandan and one other commonwealth co—president and will be made up ofjudges from a mix of nationalities, selected by
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the co—presidents. we have been working, and this comes to the point she's making about the money that has been spent by the british government, as is the case with many countries around the world, government spends money capacity building with our international partners. and we have been working extensively, i am going to make progress, we will be working, we have been working extensively with rwanda to build capacity, too. the treaty makes clear that anyone relocated to rwanda cannot, cannot be removed from rwanda to another country except back to the united kingdom. it is binding in international law. and it enhances the role of the independent monitoring committee, which will have the power to set its own priority areas for monitoring. the committee will have unfettered
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access to monitor the entire relocation process. from initial screening to relocation and settlements in rwanda. relocated individuals and legal representatives will be able to lodge confidential complaints directly with that committee. it is this treaty and the accompanying evidence pack that enables the government to conclude with confidence that rwanda is safe. we will need to be certain that domestic and foreign courts will also respect the treaty. and that's why, and that's why we have introduced the bill. i’m why, and that's why we have introduced the bill. i'm grateful to m rirht introduced the bill. i'm grateful to my right honourable _ introduced the bill. i'm grateful to my right honourable friend. - introduced the bill. i'm grateful to my right honourable friend. on l introduced the bill. i'm grateful to i my right honourable friend. on that point on foreign courts, 52 of the bill says it is for a minister of the crown to decide whether the united kingdom will comply with the interim measure. is the advice from the attorney general that it will be
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compatible with international law for a minister to refuse to comply such an indication? mr; for a minister to refuse to comply such an indication?— such an indication? my right honourable _ such an indication? my right honourable friend, - such an indication? my right honourable friend, who - such an indication? my right honourable friend, who is. such an indication? my right| honourable friend, who is an such an indication? my right - honourable friend, who is an expert procedure list in this house, will know advice to government is privileged and i am not going to be showing it at the dispatch box. but he will also know that the government's position is clear and unambiguous that this is in accordance with international law, so he can rest assured on that. and i will give way briefly. iugliii so he can rest assured on that. and i will give way briefly.— i will give way briefly. will he confirm that _ i will give way briefly. will he confirm that in _ i will give way briefly. will he confirm that in fact, - i will give way briefly. will he confirm that in fact, as - i will give way briefly. will he confirm that in fact, as a - i will give way briefly. will he i confirm that in fact, as a matter i will give way briefly. will he - confirm that in fact, as a matter of law, an interim measure under rule 35 is directed not to the courts of the united kingdom, but to the governments of the member states? so what the bill says restates what is the position anyway that it applies to the member states and not the courts. mn; to the member states and not the courts. g ., ., ., , ., courts. my honourable learned friend is absolutely — courts. my honourable learned friend is absolutely right. _ courts. my honourable learned friend is absolutely right. i _ courts. my honourable learned friend is absolutely right. i will _ courts. my honourable learned friend
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is absolutely right. i will give - courts. my honourable learned friend is absolutely right. i will give way - is absolutely right. i will give way one more time and then make more progress. i one more time and then make more rorress. ~' one more time and then make more rorress. ~ ., ,, . ., , progress. i think the home secretary for aaivin progress. i think the home secretary for giving way- _ progress. i think the home secretary for giving way- he — progress. i think the home secretary for giving way. he says _ progress. i think the home secretary for giving way. he says he _ progress. i think the home secretary for giving way. he says he won't - for giving way. he says he won't reveal the attorney general�*s advice to the house and that is fine. but on the issue of the money, his permanent secretary was in front of the public accounts committee yesterday and told us that as well as the payment due with 50 million next year, payments are planned for years four and five. is he willing to share with the house how much payment will be made to rwanda in years four and five of this? the honourable _ years four and five of this? the honourable lady _ years four and five of this? the: honourable lady will know that years four and five of this? tu9 honourable lady will know that we have committed to reporting, reporting schedule completely consistent with other government departments, completely consistent with the reporting schedule of the home office and other files and we absolutely intend to commit to doing that. so the reason we have introduced this bill, it builds on the illegal migration act and compliments all other measures that this government is employing to end illegal migration. the safety of rwanda (asylum and immigration) bill
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makes it unambiguous and clear that rwanda is safe will prevent the courts from second—guessing the will of the sovereign parliament. i have got to make progress. it gives effect to the judgment of parliament that rwanda is a safe country, notwithstanding uk law or an interpretation of international law. for the purposes of the bill, a safe country is one to which people may be removed from the united kingdom. in compliance with all of the uk's obligations under international law, and i hope that will reassure my right honourable and learned friend. and that are relevant to the treatment in that country people who are removed there. it means that someone removed to that country will not be removed or sent to another country in contravention of any
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international law. and anyone who seeks asylum or who has had an asylum determination will have their claim determined and be treated in accordance with that country's obligations under international law. i'm going to make progress. i have been generous, but i want others to have the chance to speak. anyone removed to rwanda under the provisions of this treaty will not be removed from rwanda, except to the united kingdom, in a very small number of minuted and exceptional circumstances. should the uk request the return of any relocated person, rwanda will return them. decision—makers, and that includes both myself or the holder of the post of home secretary and immigration officer or the courts, must treat rwanda as a safe country and they must do so notwithstanding
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uk law or any interpretation of international law by courts or tribunals. and that includes the european convention on human rights, the refugee convention, the international convention of civil and political rights, the un convention against torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. the european convention on actions against trafficking in human beings done at warsaw on the 16th of may 2005, customary international law and any other international law or convention or rule of international law whatsoever, including order judgment decision or measure of the european court of human. the prime minister has been crystal clear that he and the government that he leads will not let foreign courts destroy this rwanda plan and curtail our efforts to break the business model, to break the business model of those
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evil people smuggling gangs. i am very grateful _ evil people smuggling gangs. i am very grateful to — evil people smuggling gangs. i am very grateful to my _ evil people smuggling gangs. i am very grateful to my right honourable friend. he makes the point about foreign courts. what about domestic courts? is there not a danger that in pursuing quite stringent measures in pursuing quite stringent measures in this bill that we are really testing the principal of comity to breaking point? this house and this parliament is sovereign, but we also have the independence of the courts and the rule of law to bear in mind. and restraint on both sides by the judiciary and by this place is essential if we are to maintain the balance of our constitution. mr; balance of our constitution. my ri . ht balance of our constitution. ij�*i right honourable balance of our constitution. ij�*ii: right honourable friend, balance of our constitution. is’i’u' right honourable friend, who balance of our constitution. m1: right honourable friend, who knows balance of our constitution. t’i1 right honourable friend, who knows i have a huge amount of respect for him notjust as a friend and individual but also his experience at the bar at a very high level within the bar, he raises an important point and i want to give
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him complete reassurance that we have looked very, very carefully at the balance that he speaks about. we absolutely respect the importance of that. we genuinely believe that this does get the balance right, although because of the growing nature of this extreme and perverse trade in human misery, we have to take firm action. and we are therefore acting in a way that maintains that balance. ~ ., . �* �* in a way that maintains that balance. ~ . . . . , in a way that maintains that balance. ~ . . �* �* , ., balance. watching bbc news and live covera r e balance. watching bbc news and live coverae of balance. watching bbc news and live coverage of the _ balance. watching bbc news and live coverage of the debate _ balance. watching bbc news and live coverage of the debate the _ coverage of the debate the government's rwanda legislation, head of a vote this evening, and that was the home secretary james cleverly answering questions from mps. and we are going to step away from that debate ahead of the one o'clock news. but you can watch a live stream and followed the debate by clicking or following this qr code and you can follow the debate on bbc parliament, on the iplayer.
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as ever, we have a live page on the bbc website with all the updates and analysis and you can click play on the live page and follow the stream. you're watching bbc news. ben brown is next with the one o'clock news. today at 1pm: a crunch day for the prime minister, as he tries to fight off a commons rebellion on his rwanda policy. will this breakfast buy your vote? in downing street this morning, rishi sunak had breakfast with potential rebels who are asking whether his bill on sending migrants to rwanda goes far enough. this is the scene live in the commons, where the debate on that bill has just started. we'll have the latest from westminster. also on the programme this lunchtime... an asylum seeker dies on board the bibby stockholm barge in dorset — campaigners say the government
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must take responsbility. deal or no deal in dubai? delegates at the cop climate summit try to reach an agreement to limit global warming. turkish football in crisis as a club president walks on to the pitch and punches a referee in the face. and santa paws — why more and more people are buying christmas presents for their pets. and coming up on bbc news, huge night ahead for manchester united with their champions league at stake later at old trafford against bayern munich. good afternoon. the prime minister is trying to fight off a rebellion by his own conservative mps over his flagship rwanda policy.

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