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turkey suspends all domestic football — after a referee is punched at a game by the president of a super—lig club. hello, i'm rajini vaidyanathan, welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories, and checking out the truth behind them. there are just hours to go until britain's prime minister faces a knife edge vote in parliament, on his flagship bill which is designed to send some migrants who arrive to the uk in small boats, to rwanda. the policy has proved controversial — and has divided opinion in mr sunak�*s conservative party. some of his mps feel the bill doesn't go far enough — others argue it could violate international law. this morning the prime minister has been working hard to shore up support for the bill — britain's climate minister has even left the cop summit in dubai early to come back to vote.
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for more on this here's our political correspondent alex forsyth — a warning her report contains flash photography. it was still dark when conservative mps arrived at downing street earlier this morning. over breakfast, the prime minister was trying to persuade them to back his latest attempt to send asylum seekers to rwanda. are you going to vote against the bill? are you satisfied? they were tight—lipped on the way out about whether they'd been convinced. some have been clear about their doubts. we are all of one mind on this. we all want the government to succeed in stopping the boats. we all want this legislation to be the right tool to deliver that. and i am genuinely grateful to the government for what they have done to make sure that this is the toughest ever piece of legislation. it is still partial and incomplete. successive home secretaries have been to rwanda, but so far no asylum seekers.
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some conservative mps say the government's latest attempt still falls short, and the plan could remain tangled in legal challenges in the courts. others have warned the government against going too far and ignoring international law. ministers are trying to navigate a tricky path, and convince tory mps it will work. what i haven't heard enough of, and what i hope to take to the debate this evening, is that moral case. we must stop the boats. it is a fundamental, and this act, this bill, is part of that piece and the prime minister is determined, and i am determined, to support him in every way. this will come to a head here later today, when there is a vote on the government's plan. the question is whether the prime minister's own mps back him or deliver a blow to his authority. the attempts to persuade conservative mps will carry on this afternoon, with meetings and phone calls as the potential rebels work out which course they will take. but even if rishi sunak wins enough support today, this is a problem postponed rather
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than resolved, because the tensions and the divisions will only return in the new year. the labour leader giving a speech in milton keynes this morning was scathing. we're all stuck in their psychodrama. all being dragged down to their level. and that's what they just don't understand. while they're swanning around, self importantly, with their factions and their star chambers, fighting like rats in a sack, there's a country out here that isn't being governed. as mps debate the government's latest plan to send people to rwanda, what happens next remains up in the air. unlike the planes. alex forsyth, bbc news, westminster. live now to our deputy political editor, vicki young.
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things are starting to get pretty busy here i had of that vote. three votes there would probably be be at seven p:m., but a number of meetings that have been going on, notjust between the chief wit, for example, the person in charge for party discipline, trying to persuade mps who said they don't feel they can back the bill to stop we know the prime minister try to do the same this morning. cabinet ministers stalking around the corridors trying to find mbs —— mps that need persuasion, and some mps themselves will be gathering in the rooms i will be gathering in the rooms i will be gathering in the rooms i will be here deciding how they will vote. will find that out nearer to seven p:m.. it's extraordinary to think we are talking about even the possibility of a defeat here for rishi sunak, just four years ago today the conservative one the majority of 80, tonight they are worried about whether they can get one of their flagship bills worried about whether they can get one of theirflagship bills passed its first stage. this was the home
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secretary james cleverly saying they should pass this bill. the treaty that i signed last week puts beyond the legal doubt the safety of rwanda. it provides the basis to end the merry—go—round of legal challenges that have second—guessed the will of parliament and frustrated this policy, this house and the desire of the british people. so i am confident and indeed the conversations that i've had with the government's legal advisors reinforce my belief that the actions that we are taking, whilst novel, was very much pushing at the edge of the envelope, are within the framework of international law, and that is important. labour see the whole oneness scheme is a waste of money and it won't work and the money would be better spent elsewhere. the government says that labour lacks a plan to reduce the number of illegal migrants come
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to the country to stop it will take them ten years to send everyone who's arrived in the last fortnight alone and in the meantime, while they focus on this gimmick, they're failing to get a grip and they're failing to bring down the backlog and instead we've got people in asylum hotels, at taxpayers' expense, at the astronomical cost of £80 million a day. of £8 million a day. there are potentially dozens of conservative rebels, one of them the former prompts minister robert jenrick, he resigned last week, saint having seen it up close he couldn't see it going through commons because he doesn't think it is going to work. this is not a bad bill. yes, it is. but it is not the best bill. i want this bill to work.
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the test of this policy is not, "is it the strongest bill we have done? " it is not, "is it a good compromise?" it is, "will it work?" that is all the public care about. they don't care about rwanda as a scheme. they care about stopping the boats. and we are sent here to do that for them. i will never elevate contested motions of international law over the interests of my constituents. here, here. over vital national interests like national security, like border security. this bill could be so much better. let's make it better. let's make it work. here, here. that bill can be only changed or amended if it passes the state through the house of commons and the house of lords and it would be of huge consequence if it was defeated. something similar hasn't happened since 1986 under margaret thatcher
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to up it would really undermine the authority of the prime minister, and i think he is looking at this being rather concerned about a lack of discipline among his party and how unheard —— earth he can get them all back on site. unheard -- earth he can get them all back on site-— back on site. thank you, vickie youn: , back on site. thank you, vickie young. we _ back on site. thank you, vickie young, we would _ back on site. thank you, vickie young, we would back- back on site. thank you, vickie young, we would back with - back on site. thank you, vickie young, we would back with her shortly i'm sure, thanks for the moment. life now to mould was seen, good to have you with us. first of all what do you make of everything happening in the party in the last 2a hours what you mark it feels very dangerous and these words were used a lot in uk politics.— a lot in uk politics. when you have such opposing _ a lot in uk politics. when you have such opposing views _ a lot in uk politics. when you have such opposing views on _ a lot in uk politics. when you have such opposing views on what - a lot in uk politics. when you have such opposing views on what is - a lot in uk politics. when you have. such opposing views on what is your flagship policy and it seems there is no way of meeting in the middle, it puts the prime minister in a very
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difficult and challenging position. it becomes a numbers game. he is an apolitical straitjacket —— because of the most to strengthen bill and harden it, we know that was annoyed that moderate wing which numbers around 100 mps on that one nation side, yet if he doesn't make any more changes we know it's what the right of the party, the different groupings on the right, are calling for. i think he snickered in terms of where he is and where he goes next, and even if it goes through it seems like a bit of an empty victory for him because all you're doing is delaying the fallout. people come back and think they perhaps avoided it through to avoid a complete breakdown of the government. they want to see changes, and in a few weeks they realise the changes they want the can have and then you're back to the composition. you want the can have and then you're back to the composition.— back to the composition. you talk about the prime _ back to the composition. you talk about the prime minister- back to the composition. you talk about the prime minister being i about the prime minister being snookered, you did talk about there being possible fallout, what would
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that mean for his authority in the party? i that mean for his authority in the -a ? ., that mean for his authority in the .a ? ~' , that mean for his authority in the .a ? ~ , ., ., , party? i think his authority right now is pretty — party? i think his authority right now is pretty low, _ party? i think his authority right now is pretty low, far _ party? i think his authority right now is pretty low, far of mps i party? i think his authority right now is pretty low, far of mps is| party? i think his authority right. now is pretty low, far of mps is not just about rwanda policy, it's about ten the prime minister when their seats back in the next election? lots of other competitions are happening and the prime minister doesn't have political capital any more. he did outreach of the recently, and we are trying to get mps to vote in certain ways you promise them things like jobs in a government or more investment in their areas, government or more investment in theirareas, it government or more investment in their areas, it doesn't feel like those cards are there to play at the moment, so it might become more threats in terms of, we have to call an election or you might bring the government down, and again that only holds sway if you have confidence in the wider government operation and the wider government operation and the government is pulling well. if those threats are to go through than the —— do you think the outcome of the —— do you think the outcome of the vote tonight we see which way it goes right or could impact when a
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general election is called next year? i think it will, if the vote does not go through we are very much in uncharted territory and there could be letters of no confidence. it is up to the prime minister, the one trump card next is iffy because a vote, i think would be odd to call an election when you're pulling so behind, but if there is more discussion around this, if it goes through, the other scenario, it doesn't mean at the end of the game. it still continues and we talk about it more, and it usurps a lots of political bandwidth and energy for the government, they can't focus on things that really matter to people. the cost of living, i would argue that affects our people in the uk and matters more to them, they can focus on those things and then you're back to square one where you're back to square one where you're discussing that potential in the next stage of the bill and how different sides of the party wanted to change the subject so, if you
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can't resolve these fundamental issues, they will come back to bite you. whether it's today or in a few weeks' time. you. whether it's today or in a few weeks" time-— weeks' time. let's talk about the oli weeks' time. let's talk about the policy itself. _ weeks' time. let's talk about the policy itself. you _ weeks' time. let's talk about the policy itself, you will— weeks' time. let's talk about the policy itself, you will work - weeks' time. let's talk about the policy itself, you will work in - weeks' time. let's talk about the policy itself, you will work in the| policy itself, you will work in the home office and lots of the wrangling is around the extent of legal challenges it could face, although any policy is likely to face some sort of legal challenge, isn't it? , . , isn't it? pretty much every government _ isn't it? pretty much every government policy - isn't it? pretty much every government policy with . isn't it? pretty much every i government policy with fears isn't it? pretty much every - government policy with fears and elements ofjudicial review or legal review. i can understand the concern because it it happens quite a lot it stops you from making you the promises that you made to constituents, but that is part and parcel of governing, so you have to come up with policies that address the wider issue, and it and it feels the wider issue, and it and it feels the framing of this policy, the objects, can we get some flights up before the election? how do you look at this issue and try to resolve it
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for the long term which i think does involve working much more internationally, much more downstream, to look at the wider issue of illegal migration, dissent advising people from making the journey in the play is the first place by taking more people from countries, the people can afford to pay smugglers, the people making treacherous journeys, vulgar people in countries that were, they are the people i think we should be helping more directly. so, i think he needs a much broader approach rather than the narrow framework of trying to get lights out before the election. thank you, before we let you go, do you think the government will win the vote tonight and get it over the line? i the vote tonight and get it over the line? ., the vote tonight and get it over the line? ~' ., , the vote tonight and get it over the line? ~ ., , ., , , the vote tonight and get it over the line? ~ ., , ,, , line? i think would be a yes but is very narrow _ line? i think would be a yes but is very narrow victory _ line? i think would be a yes but is very narrow victory and _ line? i think would be a yes but is very narrow victory and we - very narrow victory and we would back to this in a few weeks' time. thank you mo hussein will stop any developments on that story, we are hearing from our logo and legal
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correspondent that the head of the duke a's public spending watchdog has worn he sees no evidence to date that the rwanda scheme is good value for money. gareth davis, the chief of the national audit office told his team that his team will investigate how much the home office is ending now and in future years. more on that server on the bbc news website, but for now we will move on. let's get some of the day's other news now police in wales have named the three teenagers who died following a collision between a bus and a car in coe—dely on monday evening. jesse owen and morgan smith were both aged 18 — callum griffiths was 19. two other young men remain in hospital with life threatening injuries. it's understood that group was travelling home from an funeral. ofsted says schools in england can ask to defer their inspections
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until the new year, following the outcome of an inquest into the death of the head teacher ruth perry. she took her own life injanuary after osted downgraded her school due to safeguarding concerns. teaching unions are calling for a "fundamental review" of the inspection service. stonehenge faces the risk of being de—listed" as a unesco world heritage site if plans for a nearby road project featuring a tunnel go ahead, the high court has been told. campaigners are making a final bid in court to stop plans which would involve improving the a303 road which runs past the site. the government says the tunnel would reduce congestion. you're live with bbc news ukraine's president volodymyr zelensky is in washington, making his case for the us to offer more aid to support his country's fight against the russian invasion. the deal has been deadlocked in congress, over a row about more funding for american border security. mr zelensky has met leaders in the senate and house of representatives and will later
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travel to the white house for talks with president biden. leading republicans told the bbc that meeting with president zelensky did not change their mind. we are joined now by our north america correspondent, nomia iqbal. what is the latest question mark president zelensky is making mass appeal in such contrast to last year, how things have changed. imilieu year, how things have changed. when he addressed — year, how things have changed. when he addressed congress, _ year, how things have changed. when he addressed congress, it _ year, how things have changed. “mien he addressed congress, it was his first address following the korean war when he arrived in washington and was treated like a rock star, people applauded lawmakers pledged their support and allegiance, and they were optimistic about the spring offensive. one day is a long date in american politics but a year later, president zelensky is trying to make the appeal because all it republicans are not convinced this money should be sent to ukraine.
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it's more than $16 billion worth tied up in a national security issue, so even though it's a foreign policy issue, is tied to it national security package that president biden has added funding for ukraine and is wrote to try to get it through, but republicans aren“t convinced that the money should be sent to ukraine. they want to know this strategy, and is also tied up with an issue that has confounded lawmakers for decades, border security, with an influx of migrants from the mexican border into the us, republicans want hardline policies for the democrats to agree to. president zelensky is trying to make a case that it's all about the contentious issues paying out mystically, and he met with all 100 senators today. have a listen to the senate majority leader chuck schumer on his view on how that went. it was a very powerful meeting. president zelensky made it so clear how he needs help,
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but if he gets the help, he can win this war. and he outlined in some great detail, a, the kind of help he needs and how it will help him win. even many of our republican colleagues talked about we are winning this war, and if we get the help, that if he gets the help he needs, he will win. on the other hand, he made it clear, and we all made it clear, that if we lose, putin wins and this will be very, very dangerous for the united states. that is the argument president zelensky is making that republicans are making one back which is equally powerful, which is weak care about our border security and what is happening in america, that is our priority. it“s happening in america, that is our priority. it's a powerful message to say, especially as we head into an election year. i want to quote you what the republican senator lindsey graham said after we asking after
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the meeting. he said he admired president zelensky and the fact that he's here making his case, but he said it didn't change his mind all about what he needed to do next. he said quote or nothing changed and i know what needs to happen to get a deal". as you mentioned that, he will meetjoe biden later today at the white house, but she's also me at some point, may be right now, the most powerful republican in the house, speaker mikejohnson. most powerful republican in the house, speaker mike johnson. nomia irbal “ust house, speaker mike johnson. nomia iqbaljust live — house, speaker mike johnson. nomia iqbaljust live from _ house, speaker mike johnson. nomia iqbaljust live from congress - house, speaker mike johnson. nomia iqbaljust live from congress in - iqbaljust live from congress in washington, dc, thank you. to idea soldiers were killed in operations and cover their bodies.
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the news comes as israel continues its military action in gaza, there is been frightening khan younis in the south and referent border crossing, the world health organization says they are nowjust 11 of 36 hospitals in gaza which remain partially able to function. head of the un agency for palestinian refugees has described the situation in gaza as hell on earth. in a separate development that has just come into us in the last few moments, the israel by mr benjamin netanyahu has acknowledged his government disagrees with the biden administration over the fate of gods after the war. he restated his position that gaza should not be handed to the western backed palestinian authority. for more on this that speak to her middle east correspondent hugo bachega. as i was reading that, i also so we were getting comments that were reported in the reuters news agency that
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president biden is seen that israel is starting to lose that support due to indiscriminate bombing and another line saying that israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu has to change his government. so, what we are hearing is a bit of a back and forth from the us and israel about what happens next. yes. israel about what happens next. yes, and i think these _ israel about what happens next. yes, and i think these are _ israel about what happens next. 1a: and i think these are very strong words from president biden, the americans have been supporting israel the last week they vetoed a resolution in the security council calling for a cease—fire in gaza, but i think what we're seeing right now is growing pressure on israel because of the height number of casualties, civilian casualties in gaza, as a result of these israeli operations will stop and we are seeing hospitals overwhelmed, unable to treat casualties, lots of children being killed as well. and the worsening humanitarian crisis,
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and today the head of the un agency for palestinian refugees said the situation was catastrophic, lights widespread loss of supplies and limited eight getting into gaza. a strong words from president biden and over the last few days, there has been a shift, perhaps, in its own of statements being made by american officials. days ago we heard secretary of state antony blinken say there was a gap between what the israeli authorities were saying and the reality on the ground in terms of the provinces that have been made by the israeli authorities to do more to protect the civilian population in gaza. i think very strong comments a week ago by the defence secretary who said that because of this high number of civilian casualties that the israeli could turn this tactical victory in
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gaza into a strategic defeat, and could be driving, pushing the palestinian population, into the harms —— arms of hamas. so strong words from the americans and growing pressure on israel to do more to protect the civilian population as cause for a cease—fire are getting louder. cause for a cease-fire are getting louder. ., �* .,. ., ., , louder. hugo bachega with the latest from jerusalem. — louder. hugo bachega with the latest from jerusalem, for _ louder. hugo bachega with the latest from jerusalem, for the _ louder. hugo bachega with the latest from jerusalem, for the moment - louder. hugo bachega with the latest i from jerusalem, for the moment thank you very much. we can go in life that self gaza, with a spokesperson for the red cross, we appreciate you talking to us at a busy time and we hope you're in a safe location. tell us what it is like where you are at the moment. figs us what it is like where you are at the moment-— us what it is like where you are at the moment. ~ , , ., ., ., , ., the moment. as you heard from your correspondent _ the moment. as you heard from your correspondent in _ the moment. as you heard from your correspondent in previous _ the moment. as you heard from your correspondent in previous speakers, | correspondent in previous speakers, this situation for people here in gaza, particularly civilians, is a living nightmare. this situation is inhumane, tens of thousands of
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people continue to be displaced over and overagain, people continue to be displaced over and over again, fleeing from places like khan younis, and try to find safety in places like rafa, my our team from the international community that have been told there“s community that have been told there's no way they feel safe. there“s enough humanitarian aid coming, even if more it comes in, this crisis will continue to grow as long as fighting continues and people continue to be displaced. tell us about the work you are able to do, are you able to get out and about and deliver any and you are receiving? aha, about and deliver any and you are receivin: ? �* , ., receiving? a big part of the focus for the international _ receiving? a big part of the focus for the international currency - receiving? a big part of the focus for the international currency and the red cross is to ensure the hospitalist you heard earlier are able to receive medical supplies. we have received some to gaza in recent days and weeks and have been able to dinner to some hospitals but it's extremely challenging because while fighting continues it is difficult
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for our team to deliver this aid. these medical items are desperately needed because as fighting goes on more and people are entered and more and more people going into desperation. in addition, our own hospitals there are thousands of people went to the hospitals to find a place they believe they might be a bit more safe, and places like this are not set up for thousands of people, where there aren't sanitation facilities, water or electricity, and the situation is becoming dire.— electricity, and the situation is becoming dire. electricity, and the situation is becomin: dire. ~ . , ., becoming dire. what exactly do you need and what _ becoming dire. what exactly do you need and what resources _ becoming dire. what exactly do you need and what resources are - becoming dire. what exactly do you need and what resources are you i need and what resources are you calling on the international community to send most urgently westmark i know you need everything, but what would your priority, particularly where you are in khan younis where you are?— younis where you are? there's a medical team — younis where you are? there's a medical team that _ younis where you are? there's a medical team that has _ younis where you are? there's a medical team that has come - younis where you are? there's a medical team that has come to i younis where you are? there's a - medical team that has come to gaza in the last month and we are now rated in our staff, they have seen
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perfect injuries, particularly among children, people injured because of the ongoing fight and around them, and they're doing their best. we need more a more sustained supply of relief, particularly medical items across gaza, there still combines about food and access to water, and theseissues about food and access to water, and these issues need to be resolved. the state that have influence over them should remain then they have a role to play and they are responsible to ensure that these individuals get the medical help they need, they get their food and access the water they desperately need, and that nobody should be left sleeping under a plastic tarp on and being displaced two or three times i now seeking the best aid they can in southern kaiser.— southern kaiser. before we let you io, southern kaiser. before we let you no, i southern kaiser. before we let you go. i appreciate — southern kaiser. before we let you go, i appreciate your _ southern kaiser. before we let you go, i appreciate your busy, - southern kaiser. before we let you go, i appreciate your busy, what . southern kaiser. before we let you | go, i appreciate your busy, what are you hearing, are you hearing some of the military strikes, are you in a safe house at the moment emma how
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are you and your team doing? we have the benefit of — are you and your team doing? we have the benefit of having _ are you and your team doing? we have the benefit of having over _ are you and your team doing? we have the benefit of having over a _ the benefit of having over a hundred staff working here in gaza, while the conditions are tough we are doing our best to be up to work. as a fighting continues to move, there“s concern both for our operations and our colleagues, and they have told me that there are concerns for their family and friends concerns for theirfamily and friends and concerns for their family and friends and loved ones concerns for theirfamily and friends and loved ones in concerns for their family and friends and loved ones in other parts of gaza, and its added stress that my colleagues and everyone here in gaza is expressing all the time. they don't know what tomorrow will bring, and there started to lose hope that there could be good news at any point. so, certainly we need to remind everyone there is responsibility under international humanitarian law to protect civilians, make sure hospitals are respected and people are able to receive humanitarian assistance, not sure —— notjust that they're able to cross the border but the date received safety.—
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to cross the border but the date received safe . ,, , ., , ., , received safety. steven ryan, please do stay safe. — received safety. steven ryan, please do stay safe, and _ received safety. steven ryan, please do stay safe, and we _ received safety. steven ryan, please do stay safe, and we thank— received safety. steven ryan, please do stay safe, and we thank you - received safety. steven ryan, please do stay safe, and we thank you for i do stay safe, and we thank you for taking time forjoining us here. let's take a look at the weather. hello. there are some ups and downs in our weather story for the rest of the week, various changes on the horizon, but in the short term, it's this area of low pressure that dominates the scene through the rest of today. showers or indeed longer spells of rain in association with this. in fact a slow—moving band of rain affecting some eastern and south—eastern parts of scotland into north—east england, bringing the risk of some flooding impacts as that rain continues through the rest of the day and into tonight. elsewhere a scattering of showers, some particularly heavy, thundery ones with some hale across some southern counties of england and parts of wales. temperatures as we head into the first part of the evening generally between six and 9 degrees and then through this evening and tonight, that rain keeps on coming across the south—east of scotland and more especially north—east england. a lot of cloud generally across england and wales, some bits and pieces of showery rain, but for northern ireland and scotland the skies will tend to clear and that will allow it
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to get cold in places, maybe down to —3 in parts of the highlands, milder where we keep more cloud further south. but as we head into wednesday, as this area of low pressure swings away eastwards, we change the wind direction. the winds start to come down from the north or north—east and that will bring a cooler, chillier feel for many. through the day on wednesday, a lot of cloud and some outbreaks of rain across a good part of england into the eastern side of wales. some brightness out west, the best of the brightness through the day across northern ireland and scotland, but generally a colder feel to the weather, temperatures north to south 4 to 9 maybe 10 degrees in the south—west of england and the channel islands. through wednesday night, under this slice of clear sky, it will briefly get quite cold but then we bring rain in from the west, briefly some snow over the high ground in scotland and northern england, but as that weakening rain band spreads eastwards, we start to see things turning milder once again from the west. some sunshine through thursday afternoon, just a few showers, particularly to the north—west of scotland, and temperatures for some of us just starting to rise a little and that's a sign
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of things to come. as we head towards the weekend, high pressure is set to build quite strongly to the south of the uk. frontal systems are bringing some rain at times up towards the north, but broadly a south or southwesterly flow of air and that is going to bring a very mild feel to the weather for the time of year. double digit temperatures for most of us as we head into the weekend but there will often be a lot of cloud. this is bbc news. the headlines... rishi sunak battles to head off
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a parliamentary rebellion among his own mps, ahead of a crunch vote on his rwanda asylum policy.

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