with an asylum to proceed with an asylum application _ to proceed with an asylum application. [— to proceed with an asylum application-— to proceed with an asylum a- lication. , i, r, to proceed with an asylum a- lication. , a, a, a, application. i understand that, all of which should _ application. i understand that, all of which should be _ application. i understand that, all of which should be known - application. i understand that, all of which should be known to - application. i understand that, all of which should be known to the l application. i understand that, all- of which should be known to the home office, and presumably therefore the home office will have a record of the status of that person and where they are, and in particular if they remain in the united kingdom, therefore, without permission to do so. by my calculation is you have just said that 54% of that 17,316 figure were down to albanians, the government has had some success with returning albanians. presumably it has kept a record of which albanians have been returned and obliged to leave the uk. why did mr ridley says he does not know where those 17,316 people are? he does not know where those 17,316 peeple are?— people are? because they are not detained, and _ people are? because they are not detained, and therefore, - people are? because they are not detained, and therefore, you - people are? because they are not i detained, and therefore, you either detain _ detained, and therefore, you either detain people and say they are therefore in place a, or they are not detained, is tom quite rightly said, _ not detained, is tom quite rightly said. some — not detained, is tom quite rightly said, some are detained to

facilitate removal but that is for a very specific period of time. for those _ very specific period of time. for those who— very specific period of time. for those who are not detained, then of course _ those who are not detained, then of course you — those who are not detained, then of course you have their address, but you don't_ course you have their address, but you don't know precisely where they are in_ you don't know precisely where they are in as _ you don't know precisely where they are in as much as they are free to move _ are in as much as they are free to move around. are in as much as they are free to move around-— are in as much as they are free to move around. except they are not, are the ? move around. except they are not, are they? because _ move around. except they are not, are they? because what _ move around. except they are not, are they? because what you - move around. except they are not, are they? because what you do - move around. except they are not, l are they? because what you do know is they no longer have a live application for a right to remain in the united kingdom, and therefore under migration laws will be obliged to leave the country. so whether they are detained because they may be seen as a greater risk or not detained, the government surely will want to keep a record of where that person may be, but particularly where that person is still in the uk or not. when that person leaves the uk hopefully border force doing its job will be able to effectively take them off the list. what i think the

committee wanted to know which mr ridley wasn't able to answer was of those who haven't been ticked off the list because they have left, the others are therefore in the uk illegally, why don't we know roughly where they are or what enforcement action is being taken to ensure that after a certain space of time they have left as they should have done? i think all those are fair questions and you _ i think all those are fair questions and you are — i think all those are fair questions and you are absolutely right. but if you are _ and you are absolutely right. but if you are not — and you are absolutely right. but if you are not detained it would be wrong _ you are not detained it would be wrong of — you are not detained it would be wrong of me to say therefore i can pinpoint— wrong of me to say therefore i can pinpoint to — wrong of me to say therefore i can pinpoint to a precise square metre where _ pinpoint to a precise square metre where each — pinpoint to a precise square metre where each individual is.— pinpoint to a precise square metre where each individual is. that's not what i'm asking. _ where each individual is. that's not what i'm asking. i'm _ where each individual is. that's not what i'm asking. i'm grateful- where each individual is. that's not what i'm asking. i'm grateful for. what i'm asking. i'm grateful for that clarification. _ what i'm asking. i'm grateful for that clarification. but _ what i'm asking. i'm grateful for that clarification. but you - what i'm asking. i'm grateful for that clarification. but you are i that clarification. but you are right, — that clarification. but you are right, there are processes that are gone _ right, there are processes that are gone through and records that are kept _ gone through and records that are kept i_ gone through and records that are kept. i can't give you a precise answen — kept. i can't give you a precise answer. ~ . . kept. i can't give you a precise answer. ~ . , ., ,, answer. what is the form look like? on the basis — answer. what is the form look like? on the basis that _

answer. what is the form look like? on the basis that a _ answer. what is the form look like? on the basis that a large _ answer. what is the form look like? on the basis that a large number. answer. what is the form look like? on the basis that a large number of| on the basis that a large number of those people have physically signed a form which has physically come in to the receipt of somebody in the home office, does that form the say on it that you have to leave the country within x weeks or else, or they have to report in every so often until they have left the country? surely you are notjust allowing somebody to sign a form and say i no longer wish to continue with my application and there is no oversight of them at all. because all of them would do that because they are then completely off the radar. how are you checking they have withdrawn their application and left the country because that's what they need to do?— left the country because that's what they need to do? from an operational oint of they need to do? from an operational point of view. — they need to do? from an operational point of view. mr— they need to do? from an operational point of view, mr hobbs _ they need to do? from an operational point of view, mr hobbs can _ they need to do? from an operational point of view, mr hobbs can address | point of view, mr hobbs can address that point _ point of view, mr hobbs can address that point. but i understand why you are asking _ that point. but i understand why you are asking the question.—

are asking the question. thank you, minister. i think _ are asking the question. thank you, minister. i think there _ are asking the question. thank you, minister. i think there are _ are asking the question. thank you, minister. i think there are two - minister. i think there are two things— minister. i think there are two things and _ minister. i think there are two things and the _ minister. i think there are two things and the permanent - minister. i think there are two - things and the permanent secretary's tetter _ things and the permanent secretary's letter addresses— things and the permanent secretary's letter addresses that _ things and the permanent secretary's letter addresses that some _ things and the permanent secretary's letter addresses that some of- things and the permanent secretary's letter addresses that some of them l letter addresses that some of them were mis—categorised. _ letter addresses that some of them were mis—categorised. some - letter addresses that some of them were mis—categorised. some of- letter addresses that some of them . were mis—categorised. some of those withdrawals _ were mis—categorised. some of those withdrawals will— were mis—categorised. some of those withdrawals will be _ were mis—categorised. some of those withdrawals will be because _ were mis—categorised. some of those withdrawals will be because people i withdrawals will be because people have hot— withdrawals will be because people have not complied _ withdrawals will be because people have not complied with _ withdrawals will be because people have not complied with our- withdrawals will be because people i have not complied with our processes and therefore — have not complied with our processes and therefore have _ have not complied with our processes and therefore have not _ have not complied with our processes and therefore have not substantiatedl and therefore have not substantiated the claim _ and therefore have not substantiated the claim you — and therefore have not substantiated the claim. you will— and therefore have not substantiated the claim. you will be _ and therefore have not substantiated the claim. you will be aware - and therefore have not substantiated the claim. you will be aware that - the claim. you will be aware that when _ the claim. you will be aware that when people _ the claim. you will be aware that when people arrive _ the claim. you will be aware that when people arrive we _ the claim. you will be aware that when people arrive we screen . the claim. you will be aware that. when people arrive we screen them and accommodate _ when people arrive we screen them and accommodate them _ when people arrive we screen them and accommodate them and - when people arrive we screen them and accommodate them and it's - when people arrive we screen them | and accommodate them and it's not uncommon— and accommodate them and it's not uncommon that _ and accommodate them and it's not uncommon that certain _ and accommodate them and it's notj uncommon that certain nationalities are then _ uncommon that certain nationalities are then not — uncommon that certain nationalities are then not compliant _ uncommon that certain nationalities are then not compliant with - uncommon that certain nationalities are then not compliant with the - are then not compliant with the asylum — are then not compliant with the asylum process _ are then not compliant with the asylum process. there - are then not compliant with the asylum process. there are - are then not compliant with the asylum process. there are ton asylum process. there are two categories _ asylum process. there are two categories within— asylum process. there are two categories within the - asylum process. there are two i categories within the withdrawal which _ categories within the withdrawal which is — categories within the withdrawal which is in — categories within the withdrawal which is in the _ categories within the withdrawal which is in the letter. _ categories within the withdrawal which is in the letter. fill- categories within the withdrawal which is in the letter.— which is in the letter. all of that came out in _ which is in the letter. all of that came out in our— which is in the letter. all of that came out in our session - which is in the letter. all of that came out in our session with - which is in the letter. all of that| came out in our session with the permanent secretary. what i've just said is by the home secretary, or the home office's own figures come in the last quarter it was as many as 95% that came under that other category. roughly what amount of that 95% has been mis—categorised, do you estimate? i do that 95% has been mis-categorised, do you estimate?— that 9596 has been mis-categorised, do you estimate?— do you estimate? i do not know, i don't have — do you estimate? i do not know, i don't have an _ do you estimate? i do not know, i don't have an estimate _ do you estimate? i do not know, i don't have an estimate for - do you estimate? i do not know, i don't have an estimate for those i don't have an estimate for those mis—categorised _ don't have an estimate for those mis—categorised but _ don't have an estimate for those mis—categorised but there - don't have an estimate for those mis—categorised but there will. don't have an estimate for those i

mis—categorised but there will be don't have an estimate for those . mis—categorised but there will be a proportion, — mis—categorised but there will be a proportion, as _ mis—categorised but there will be a proportion. as we _ mis—categorised but there will be a proportion, as we have _ mis—categorised but there will be a proportion, as we have gone - mis—categorised but there will be a i proportion, as we have gone through the legacy— proportion, as we have gone through the legacy flow. _ proportion, as we have gone through the legacy flow, that _ proportion, as we have gone through the legacy flow, that will— proportion, as we have gone through the legacy flow, that will have - proportion, as we have gone through the legacy flow, that will have not i the legacy flow, that will have not comptied — the legacy flow, that will have not comptied and _ the legacy flow, that will have not complied and not _ the legacy flow, that will have not complied and not responded - the legacy flow, that will have notj complied and not responded when the legacy flow, that will have not. complied and not responded when we have invited _ complied and not responded when we have invited them _ complied and not responded when we have invited them to _ complied and not responded when we have invited them to interview, - complied and not responded when we have invited them to interview, or- have invited them to interview, or reached _ have invited them to interview, or reached out — have invited them to interview, or reached out to _ have invited them to interview, or reached out to them _ have invited them to interview, or reached out to them via _ have invited them to interview, or reached out to them via the - reached out to them via the streamlined _ reached out to them via the streamlined asylum - reached out to them via the| streamlined asylum process reached out to them via the i streamlined asylum process or contacted _ streamlined asylum process or contacted their— streamlined asylum process or contacted their last _ streamlined asylum process or contacted their last known - streamlined asylum process or. contacted their last known legal representative. _ contacted their last known legal representative. many— contacted their last known legal representative. many of- contacted their last known legal representative. many of the - contacted their last known legal. representative. many of the people will have _ representative. many of the people will have legal— representative. many of the people will have legal representatives. - will have legal representatives. that classifies _ will have legal representatives. that classifies them _ will have legal representatives. that classifies them as - will have legal representatives. that classifies them as a - that classifies them as a non—substantiated claim, ie, they have absented themselves from the system. they are more difficult to keep tracks on. those who are not more difficult to keep tracks on the other category who, as i have said, the main two reasons for that they have signed a form and physically given it in. they have had to appear out of the ether or they have left the country and that box is ticked. so how many roughly, because you should know, that 95%? i so how many roughly, because you should know, that 9596?— so how many roughly, because you should know, that 9596? i don't have the fi . ure should know, that 9596? i don't have the figure in — should know, that 9596? i don't have the figure in front _ should know, that 9596? i don't have the figure in front of _ should know, that 9596? i don't have the figure in front of me _ should know, that 9596? i don't have the figure in front of me but - should know, that 9596? i don't have the figure in front of me but there i the figure in front of me but there

is a commitment _ the figure in front of me but there is a commitment to _ the figure in front of me but there is a commitment to write - the figure in front of me but there is a commitment to write to - the figure in front of me but there is a commitment to write to the l is a commitment to write to the committee _ is a commitment to write to the committee setting _ is a commitment to write to the committee setting up— is a commitment to write to the committee setting up the - committee setting up the classification _ committee setting up the classification is _ committee setting up the classification is about - committee setting up the| classification is about that category _ classification is about that category so— classification is about that category. so those - classification is about that category. so those that i classification is about that i category. so those that we classification is about that - category. so those that we know classification is about that _ category. so those that we know have left the _ category. so those that we know have left the country. — category. so those that we know have left the country, those _ category. so those that we know have left the country, those that _ category. so those that we know have left the country, those that we - category. so those that we know have left the country, those that we know i left the country, those that we know have got _ left the country, those that we know have got other — left the country, those that we know have got other forms _ left the country, those that we know have got other forms of— left the country, those that we know have got other forms of leave, - left the country, those that we know have got other forms of leave, and i have got other forms of leave, and those _ have got other forms of leave, and those who — have got other forms of leave, and those who may _ have got other forms of leave, and those who may no _ have got other forms of leave, and those who may no longer - have got other forms of leave, and those who may no longer be - have got other forms of leave, and those who may no longer be in - have got other forms of leave, and l those who may no longer be in touch with us— those who may no longer be in touch with us because _ those who may no longer be in touch with us because very— those who may no longer be in touch with us because very sadly _ those who may no longer be in touch with us because very sadly they- those who may no longer be in touch with us because very sadly they may| with us because very sadly they may also have _ with us because very sadly they may also have passed _ with us because very sadly they may also have passed away _ with us because very sadly they may also have passed away because - with us because very sadly they may also have passed away because that| also have passed away because that can happen — also have passed away because that can happen white _ also have passed away because that can happen while people _ also have passed away because that can happen while people are - also have passed away because that can happen while people are in - also have passed away because that can happen while people are in the i can happen while people are in the process _ can happen while people are in the process there _ can happen while people are in the process. there is— can happen while people are in the process. there is a _ can happen while people are in the process. there is a commitment. can happen while people are in thej process. there is a commitment to write _ process. there is a commitment to write to _ process. there is a commitment to write to the — process. there is a commitment to write to the committee _ process. there is a commitment to write to the committee to - process. there is a commitment to write to the committee to break. process. there is a commitment to i write to the committee to break down that number — write to the committee to break down that number mr— write to the committee to break down that number. mr hobbs— write to the committee to break down that number. mr hobbs i _ write to the committee to break down that number. mr hobb- that number. mr hobbs i know somebody _ that number. mr hobbs i know somebody who _ that number. mr hobbs i know somebody who has _ that number. mr hobbs i know somebody who has died - that number. mr hobbs i know somebody who has died will i that number. mr hobbs i know. somebody who has died will not that number. mr hobbs i know - somebody who has died will not sign a form and submitted to the home office. , . ., , office. the may have done but subsequently _ office. the may have done but subsequently are _ office. the may have done but subsequently are no _ office. the may have done but subsequently are no longer. office. the may have done but. subsequently are no longer with office. the may have done but - subsequently are no longer with us and therefore — subsequently are no longer with us and therefore that _ subsequently are no longer with us and therefore that is _ subsequently are no longer with us and therefore that is why _ subsequently are no longer with us and therefore that is why we - subsequently are no longer with us and therefore that is why we are i and therefore that is why we are going _ and therefore that is why we are going through _ and therefore that is why we are going through the _ and therefore that is why we are going through the process - and therefore that is why we are going through the process of- and therefore that is why we are. going through the process of data cteansing — going through the process of data cteansing to — going through the process of data cleansing to give _ going through the process of data cleansing to give the _ going through the process of data cleansing to give the accurate - cleansing to give the accurate answers — cleansing to give the accurate answers to _ cleansing to give the accurate answers to your _ cleansing to give the accurate answers to your breakdown. i cleansing to give the accurate answers to your breakdown. those eo - le answers to your breakdown. those people would _ answers to your breakdown. those people would be — answers to your breakdown. those people would be easier— answers to your breakdown. those people would be easier to - answers to your breakdown. those people would be easier to trace . people would be easier to trace because presumably there will be a death certificate? that because presumably there will be a death certificate?— death certificate? that is what we

are auoin death certificate? that is what we are going through _ death certificate? that is what we are going through the _ death certificate? that is what we are going through the process - death certificate? that is what we are going through the process of| are going through the process of clarifying — are going through the process of clarifying that _ are going through the process of clarifying that data _ are going through the process of clarifying that data to _ are going through the process of clarifying that data to give - are going through the process of clarifying that data to give those| clarifying that data to give those answers — clarifying that data to give those answers to — clarifying that data to give those answers to their— clarifying that data to give those answers to their breakdown. - clarifying that data to give those| answers to their breakdown. the eo - le answers to their breakdown. the people you _ answers to their breakdown. people you have defined answers to their breakdown. tip; people you have defined in answers to their breakdown. people you have defined in the answers to their breakdown- people you have defined in the other category are the easiest people to locate. we asked two weeks ago what is actually on the form? what did they sign up to? it would be nice for us to see the form and we asked for us to see the form and we asked for that and have not been sent one of those forms. i want to know what is the procedure when they have signed the form to follow up to make sure they have left the country in a reasonable amount of time? where individuals do _ reasonable amount of time? where individuals do not _ reasonable amount of time? where individuals do not have _ reasonable amount of time? where individuals do not have leave, - reasonable amount of time? where individuals do not have leave, if. individuals do not have leave, if they— individuals do not have leave, if they don't— individuals do not have leave, if they don't have _ individuals do not have leave, if they don't have any _ individuals do not have leave, if they don't have any other- individuals do not have leave, if they don't have any other formi individuals do not have leave, if. they don't have any other form of leave _ they don't have any other form of leave or— they don't have any other form of leave or write _ they don't have any other form of leave or write to _ they don't have any other form of leave or write to be _ they don't have any other form of leave or write to be in _ they don't have any other form of leave or write to be in the - they don't have any other form of leave or write to be in the uk - they don't have any other form of leave or write to be in the uk will be informed _ leave or write to be in the uk will be informed of— leave or write to be in the uk will be informed of that _ leave or write to be in the uk will be informed of that at _ leave or write to be in the uk will be informed of that at the - leave or write to be in the uk will be informed of that at the point i leave or write to be in the uk willi be informed of that at the point at which _ be informed of that at the point at which they— be informed of that at the point at which they withdraw _ be informed of that at the point at which they withdraw their - be informed of that at the point at which they withdraw their claim, i be informed of that at the point at l which they withdraw their claim, the same _ which they withdraw their claim, the same as— which they withdraw their claim, the same as if— which they withdraw their claim, the same as if summary— which they withdraw their claim, the same as if summary has _ which they withdraw their claim, the same as if summary has the - which they withdraw their claim, the same as if summary has the claim . same as if summary has the claim refused _ same as if summary has the claim refused or— same as if summary has the claim refused or there _ same as if summary has the claim refused or there is _ same as if summary has the claim refused or there is an _ same as if summary has the claim refused or there is an appeal - same as if summary has the claim refused or there is an appeal right with a _ refused or there is an appeal right

with a refusal, _ refused or there is an appeal right with a refusal, but _ refused or there is an appeal right with a refusal, but if— refused or there is an appeal right with a refusal, but if they - refused or there is an appeal righti with a refusal, but if they withdraw their claim — with a refusal, but if they withdraw their claim and _ with a refusal, but if they withdraw their claim and don't _ with a refusal, but if they withdraw their claim and don't have - with a refusal, but if they withdraw their claim and don't have any- with a refusal, but if they withdrawl their claim and don't have any other basis _ their claim and don't have any other basis to— their claim and don't have any other basis to remain _ their claim and don't have any other basis to remain in _ their claim and don't have any other basis to remain in the _ their claim and don't have any other basis to remain in the uk _ their claim and don't have any other basis to remain in the uk they- their claim and don't have any other basis to remain in the uk they will. basis to remain in the uk they will be informed — basis to remain in the uk they will be informed that _ basis to remain in the uk they will be informed that they _ basis to remain in the uk they will be informed that they have - basis to remain in the uk they will be informed that they have no - basis to remain in the uk they will. be informed that they have no basis and should — be informed that they have no basis and should leave. _ be informed that they have no basis and should leave. they— be informed that they have no basis and should leave. they may- be informed that they have no basis and should leave. they may also . be informed that they have no basis and should leave. they may also bej and should leave. they may also be subjected _ and should leave. they may also be subjected to — and should leave. they may also be subjected to immigration _ and should leave. they may also be subjected to immigration bail- and should leave. they may also be subjected to immigration bail and l subjected to immigration bail and reporting — subjected to immigration bail and reporting requirements _ subjected to immigration bail and reporting requirements which - subjected to immigration bail andi reporting requirements which they subjected to immigration bail and - reporting requirements which they do through— reporting requirements which they do through our— reporting requirements which they do through our immigration— reporting requirements which they do| through our immigration enforcement centres _ through our immigration enforcement centres and _ through our immigration enforcement centres and they— through our immigration enforcement centres and they are _ through our immigration enforcement centres and they are required - through our immigration enforcement centres and they are required to - centres and they are required to regularly— centres and they are required to regularly report~ _ centres and they are required to regularly report. all— centres and they are required to regularly report. all of- centres and they are required to regularly report. all of those - regularly report. all of those individuals— regularly report. all of those individuals will— regularly report. all of those individuals will also- regularly report. all of those individuals will also flow - regularly report. all of those individuals will also flow into immigration _ individuals will also flow into immigration enforcement. individuals will also flow into. immigration enforcement who individuals will also flow into - immigration enforcement who will action— immigration enforcement who will action those — immigration enforcement who will action those cases _ immigration enforcement who will action those cases and _ immigration enforcement who will action those cases and that - immigration enforcement who will action those cases and that action| action those cases and that action will be _ action those cases and that action will be dependent _ action those cases and that action will be dependent on _ action those cases and that action will be dependent on the - action those cases and that action will be dependent on the risk- will be dependent on the risk matrix~ — will be dependent on the risk matrix~ they— will be dependent on the risk matrix. they work— will be dependent on the risk matrix. they work on - will be dependent on the risk matrix. they work on various j matrix. they work on various different _ matrix. they work on various different criteria _ matrix. they work on various different criteria such - matrix. they work on various different criteria such as - matrix. they work on various different criteria such as the i matrix. they work on various - different criteria such as the harm that that — different criteria such as the harm that that individual _ different criteria such as the harm that that individual may— different criteria such as the harm that that individual may cause, i that that individual may cause, particularly _ that that individual may cause, particularly if _ that that individual may cause, particularly if they— that that individual may cause, particularly if they are - that that individual may cause, particularly if they are a - that that individual may cause, j particularly if they are a former national— particularly if they are a former national offender, _ particularly if they are a former national offender, or— particularly if they are a former national offender, or there - particularly if they are a former national offender, or there are | national offender, or there are vulnerabilities _ national offender, or there are vulnerabilities with— national offender, or there are vulnerabilities with the - national offender, or there are . vulnerabilities with the individual individual— vulnerabilities with the individual individual and _ vulnerabilities with the individual individual and if— vulnerabilities with the individual individual and if there _ vulnerabilities with the individual individual and if there are - vulnerabilities with the individuall individual and if there are reasons that they— individual and if there are reasons that they can _ individual and if there are reasons that they can be _ individual and if there are reasons that they can be returned. - individual and if there are reasons that they can be returned. final. that they can be returned. final ruestion that they can be returned. final question because _ that they can be returned. final question because mr— that they can be returned. question because mr really that they can be returnedm question because mr really didn't know where any of the 17,316 were. roughly how many do you think you know where they are? i roughly how many do you think you know where they are?— know where they are? i don't know the data. know where they are? i don't know the data- we _ know where they are? i don't know the data. we are _ know where they are? i don't know the data. we are in _ know where they are? i don't know the data. we are in the _ know where they are? i don't know the data. we are in the process . know where they are? i don't know the data. we are in the process of| the data. we are in the process of

clarifying — the data. we are in the process of clarifying the _ the data. we are in the process of clarifying the data _ the data. we are in the process of clarifying the data and _ the data. we are in the process of clarifying the data and writing - the data. we are in the process of clarifying the data and writing to i clarifying the data and writing to the committee _ clarifying the data and writing to the committee to _ clarifying the data and writing to the committee to set _ clarifying the data and writing to the committee to set out - clarifying the data and writing to the committee to set out what i clarifying the data and writing to i the committee to set out what we clarifying the data and writing to - the committee to set out what we do know about _ the committee to set out what we do know about that _ the committee to set out what we do know about that 17,000 _ the committee to set out what we do know about that 17,000 number- the committee to set out what we do know about that 17,000 number that you have _ know about that 17,000 number that you have asked — know about that 17,000 number that you have asked about. _ know about that 17,000 number that you have asked about. i— know about that 17,000 number that you have asked about.— you have asked about. i don't understand — you have asked about. i don't understand how _ you have asked about. i don't understand how you - you have asked about. i don't understand how you can - you have asked about. i don't| understand how you can come you have asked about. i don't . understand how you can come to you have asked about. i don't - understand how you can come to this committee, madam chairman, for a second time, having been asked the question two weeks ago and still not have the information. i'm sorry. i have the information. i'm sorry. i agree with you on that, yes. i'm going to go back to another issue on this letter. let's hope we can get a bit more information. paragraph two, about the number of people refused asylum and sent back to their country. we were specifically interested in the small boats issue and the number of people returned. on the second page of the letter is a table going back to 2020. it gives us the total figure of people returned who have come across in small boats since 2020. i've calculator that figure of people who have arrived in the united kingdom

by small boats is 109,917. what this is telling us is the total number of people who have been removed since 2020 is 408. i hope my calculation is correct, that's 0.004% of the small boats have been returned. what either of the ministers like to comment on that? that isn't a number i recognise. i comment on that? that isn't a number i recoanise. u. comment on that? that isn't a number i recoanise. , comment on that? that isn't a number i recognise-— i recognise. i can see the table and the chart you _ i recognise. i can see the table and the chart you have _ i recognise. i can see the table and the chart you have on _ i recognise. i can see the table and the chart you have on page - i recognise. i can see the table and the chart you have on page two - i recognise. i can see the table and i the chart you have on page two above paragraph _ the chart you have on page two above paragraph three. at the chart you have on page two above paragraph three-— paragraph three. at the top of the chart, paragraph three. at the top of the chart. since _ paragraph three. at the top of the chart, since 2020 _ paragraph three. at the top of the chart, since 2020 there _ paragraph three. at the top of the chart, since 2020 there have - paragraph three. at the top of the | chart, since 2020 there have been 408 returns of non—albanians, non—foreign national offender is a small boat arrivals. that's from the permanent secretary of the home office. i appreciate you have only beenin office. i appreciate you have only been in post for a very short period of time, minister. but this is the most senior official in the home office telling the committee 408 people have been returned. mar; office telling the committee 408 people have been returned. magi people have been returned. may i tackle it this — people have been returned. may i tackle it this way? _ people have been returned. may i tackle it this way? i _ people have been returned. may i tackle it this way? i don't - people have been returned. may i tackle it this way? i don't have . people have been returned. may i tackle it this way? i don't have a i tackle it this way? i don't have a substantive answer on that specific point _ substantive answer on that specific point i_ substantive answer on that specific point. i recognise that this

committee has asked some very serious — committee has asked some very serious and detailed questions of the data — serious and detailed questions of the data i— serious and detailed questions of the data. i take on board entirely his reasonable point that these questions were asked two weeks ago. the letter— questions were asked two weeks ago. the letter is _ questions were asked two weeks ago. the letter is dated yesterday's date, — the letter is dated yesterday's date, the 12th of december, with this detail— date, the 12th of december, with this detail on. respectfully, i have always— this detail on. respectfully, i have always dealt constructively with colleagues, i hope, and with previous— colleagues, i hope, and with previous select committees that i've been grilled by notably the justice select— been grilled by notably the justice select committee, the house of lords constitution committee etc and i want _ constitution committee etc and i want to— constitution committee etc and i want to continue that constructive relationship. just let me finish. thank— relationship. just let me finish. thank you. _ relationship. just let me finish. thank you, that's very encouraging. what _ thank you, that's very encouraging. what might— thank you, that's very encouraging. what might be helpful is that if there _ what might be helpful is that if there are specific questions on the data that _ there are specific questions on the data that you want to put two witnesses in the detail that you are perfectly— witnesses in the detail that you are perfectly reasonably asking, then either— perfectly reasonably asking, then either setting out in slightly more detailed _ either setting out in slightly more detailed those questions and i will endeavour to get it. can i commit to one point— endeavour to get it. can i commit to one point because you raised an important — one point because you raised an important point about a form requested by the committee and a

commitment that was given to the committee to provide that form, and i will undertake to ensure that the committee has that. i i will undertake to ensure that the committee has that.— i will undertake to ensure that the committee has that. i want to make a coule of committee has that. i want to make a couple of points- _ committee has that. i want to make a couple of points. we _ committee has that. i want to make a couple of points. we had _ committee has that. i want to make a couple of points. we had the - couple of points. we had the permanent secretary and the interim permanent secretary and the interim permanent second secretary in front of us. it was a disaster. i would have expected that the permanent secretary and the interim second permanent secretary would have written to me straightaway with all the information that i had requested and colleagues had requested at that meeting. silence. therefore, iwrote on the 7th of december requesting all the information that had been put to the permanent secretary and his colleague at the meeting. we finally got something last night, this letter in front of us, with this letter in front of us, with this information on. i take concern i have to write to get information out of the permanent secretary first of all. secondly, this committee

always wants to have a constructive relationship with ministers. but we expect ministers to come before this committee properly briefed. you have a whole array of civil servant sitting behind you. they have the ability to pass you a note just as happens in the commons and i saw happens in the commons and i saw happen yesterday. i appreciate you are very new in post. but equally, this committee now is getting to the point where... this committee now is getting to the point where- - -_ this committee now is getting to the point where... studio: bbc news live and our coverage _ point where... studio: bbc news live and our coverage of— point where... studio: bbc news live and our coverage of the _ point where... studio: bbc news live and our coverage of the home - point where... studio: bbc news live and our coverage of the home office i and our coverage of the home office select committee hearing. there was quite a testy exchange there. dame diana johnson started by asking about the legacy asylum backlog addressing one of the prime minister's pledges. as a reminder that pledge by the prime minister involved in wanting to "abolish the legacy backlog of claims by the end of 2023." the government said it referred to claims that were put in before the 20th ofjune in 2022 and

that had yet to receive a specific response. the bbc�*s verify team, and i believe we can pull up the website, has been reporting today that the government is set to grant record numbers of people asylum this year. they have been looking at these figures regularly, including these figures regularly, including the number of claims that have been withdrawn. next we will go to verified life, with matthew amroliwala so please keep watching bbc news. live from london. this is bbc news. it is so decided. an historic deal is agreed at the cop 28 climate summit — calling on all countries to move away from using fossil fuels. political leaders and climate campaigners broadly welcome the agreement — but express reservations about it limiting temperature rises to 1.5 degrees celsius. we have come to the conclusion that the course correction that is needed has not been secured. we have made an incremental advancement of the business as usual. israel says, it carried out more than 250 strikes on gaza in the last 24 hours —

as the main un refugee agency says, it's on the verge of collapse. also on the programme... on verify today, after the prime minister won a crucial vote on his rwanda plan, we have been looking at whether he will meet another pledge to eliminate the asylum backlog. and find out what we've been watching. netflix releases viewer data on 99% of its catalogue for the first time. hello, i m matthew amroliwala, welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories, and checking out the truth behind them. for the first time — there's a global climate agreement — which calls on all countries to move away from using fossil fuels. delegates at the un climate summit in dubai reached the deal after negotiating through the night, to secure agreement from all 197 countries — and the eu — taking part.