tv Newsnight BBC News December 15, 2023 10:30pm-11:01pm GMT
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it was of the setting sun through. it was across eastern england scotland that had low temperatures today but it will be turning milder as we head on into the weekend. overnight we do have extensive cloud. there are a few breaks at the moment in southern and eastern england. damp weather in scotland, patches of drizzle for northern ireland, and for western coasts and hills of wales around western england as well, but it is a relatively mild night. on into the weekend we get this weather front stuck across the north—west of scotland. this could bring pretty large rainfall totals into the highlands, some where between 75 and maybe 200m l of rain. that would bring the threat of flooding and landslip. there is an amber weather warning for that, we will keep watching it. through the weekend away from that north—west corner of scotland where it will be wet. a bit of drizzle for the rest of scotland, wail, england. no great rainfall
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amounts, with stronger winds there are chances of seeing sunshine, the east of the pennines, midlands and eastern wales as well. the rain becomes more extensive on sunday, in northern areas, in the south largely dry, and there is a chance we should start to see some breaks in the cloud coming up from north france, it might be across to the south of wales and southern england we have the best of the day's sunshine on sunday, very mild, temperatures 11 to 14, but then it is set to get colder into next week, to the end of the week it could be cold enough for some of the showers to start to turn wintry. that that is the latest. thanks, chris. and that's bbc news at ten. newsnight is just getting under way on bbc two, with kirsty. on bbc one, its time tojoin our colleagues for the news where you are, goodnight.
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prince harry won the day — the verdict, he was hacked by the mirror group — but morgan, named 68 times by the judge, came out swinging. so what will be the impact of today's judgment on both victims of hacking, and the press? we'll bejoined byjacqui hames, from the hacked off group, graham johnson, sunday mirror journalist who previously pled guilty to phone hacking, and paul connew, former editor of the sunday mirror. also tonight... more revelations about the plight of former afghan special forces, now in danger from the taliban. british army officers tried to vouch for them but were never contacted by the mod. and...
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i will grind red. tell him that i am auoin to i will grind red. tell him that i am going to run _ i will grind red. tell him that i am going to run up — i will grind red. tell him that i am going to run up the _ i will grind red. tell him that i am going to run up the beanstalk. - spoiler alert — logan roy is no more, but the star of succession, brian cox is here to talk about the tv moment of the year, and his views on wealth, entitlement, and the freedom of the press. good evening. today was a big milestone in the phone hacking scandal. the high court ruling was a vindication for prince harry in his quest to establish that stories about him were obtained by hacking by mirror group newspapers. and, in a signficant part of thejudgment, mrjustice fancourt said that he had found evidence about piers morgan's involvement to be credible and that was not countered by the mirror group. immediately, morgan, the talk show host and former mirror editor, went on the attack, issuing a denial and saying that prince harry's outrage at media intrusion into the private lives of the royal family is only matched by his own ruthlessness, greedy and hypocritical enthusiasm for doing it for himself. here'sjoe pike.
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12 years ago it was a scandal — arguably of international significance. drawing politics, policing, celebrity, royalty and the media into its midst. the met police commissioner resigned, as did the prime minister's director of communications. i take full responsibility for employing andy coulson. mr coulson was jailed. a i68—year—old newspaper was closed. and a billionaire media magnate made a rare appearance before mps. he was attacked with a foam pie and made this intervention. this is the most humbling day of my life. lord leveson�*s public inquiry followed. but whilst rupert murdoch's news international bore the brunt of the scandal, costing them over £1.2 billion, another big newspaper group,
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trinity mirror, now reach plc, avoided a similar level of scrutiny until today. mrjustice fancourt ruled that... in 1995, there was some unlawful activity at the company. by 1996, phone hacking had started. and from 1998, it was widespread and habitual. he also said that between 2006 and 2011, it remained an important tool including during the time of leveson inquiry into phone hacking. today mirror group apologised for its "historical wrongdoing". mrjustice fancourt also said 15 of 33 sample articles highlighted by prince harry were "the product of phone hacking or other unlawful information gathering". he awarded the duke of sussex £140,600. but for prince harry all this is seemingly not about the money and more about the truth. the fact that he was prepared to say, look, the money is not
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the important thing. i want to show you that it happened. i'm not taking a kind of compromise. i want to prove that i was hacked, that it had an effect on me. and i want people to be held to account for it. and i think it's a tribute to him. i thought he may be very foolish suing newspapers and said so at the time, but it's come good. he has been vindicated quite rightly. and i think thejudge, it's an astonishing judgment. piers morgan, thejournalist, diarist, controversialist and erstwhile tvjudge was editor of the daily mirror from 1995 to 200k. he's always denied knowledge of phone hacking. but today the judge accepted a claim that he knew about it. newsnight�*sjeremy paxman told the leveson inquiry of a lunch he had with mr morgan while he was mirror editor. he then explained that the way to get access to people's messages
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was to go to the factory default setting and press either 000 or 1234. and that if you didn't put on your own code, his words, you're a fool. for prince harry all this is a very welcome win against the print media. and particularly the man who's been such a constant critic of him and his wife. the duke of sussex has cases ongoing against the publishers of the sun and daily mail. meanwhile reach plc — which has already paid out millions — may now face many more legal claims. and the met police are considering what, if anything, they'll do next. i'm joined now by graham johnson, a formerjournalist and whistle—blower on phone hacking at the sunday mirror. he previously pleaded guilty to hacking and served a suspended sentence. alsojoining us is jacqui hames, from the campaign group hacked off and paul connew, former editor of the sunday mirror newspaper. jacqui, how would you characterise
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today, i think this is really substantial. it in fact it is episode one of substantial. it in fact it is episode one— substantial. it in fact it is episode one substantial. it in fact it is eisode one ., . , , . episode one of a miniseries that will -la episode one of a miniseries that will play out _ episode one of a miniseries that will play out in _ episode one of a miniseries that will play out in the _ episode one of a miniseries that will play out in the next - episode one of a miniseries that will play out in the next year - episode one of a miniseries that will play out in the next year or| will play out in the next year or so, revealing toxic culture of criminality and misinformation and mishandling of people's private data in tabloid newsrooms. it is fuelled by this belief they are just too powerful to be held to account. i would like to really applaud the claimants and whistle—blowers, people like graham in the studio and dan evans for having the courage to stand up to these bullies are. what stand up to these bullies are. what do ou stand up to these bullies are. what do you make _ stand up to these bullies are. what do you make of _ stand up to these bullies are. what do you make of the _ stand up to these bullies are. what do you make of the fact _ stand up to these bullies are. what do you make of the fact that we learned today that phone hacking had gone on during the leaves and inquiry? i gone on during the leaves and inuui ? ., gone on during the leaves and inuui ? . . ., ., inquiry? i gave evidence at that inuui inquiry? i gave evidence at that inquiry as _ inquiry? i gave evidence at that inquiry as well _ inquiry? i gave evidence at that inquiry as well and _ inquiry? i gave evidence at that inquiry as well and listened - inquiry? i gave evidence at that inquiry as well and listened to i inquiry? i gave evidence at that i inquiry as well and listened to the
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continual pleas that it is all in the past, it has stopped, it is not going on now, we have learned our lesson, one rogue reporter, all those pleas, and clearly as i said i felt they were just too powerful to be held to account, as shown by the cancelling of the leveson reforms and the cancelling of part two of the leveson inquiry, colluding with politicians to make sure they would never be held accountable full stop hats off to these claimants including prince harry. prince harry didn't settled. _ including prince harry. prince harry didn't settled, he _ including prince harry. prince harry didn't settled, he decided - including prince harry. prince harry didn't settled, he decided to - including prince harry. prince harry| didn't settled, he decided to pursue his claim. ., , didn't settled, he decided to pursue his claim. .,, ~' didn't settled, he decided to pursue his claim. .,, ~ ., �* his claim. people like me aren't able to take _ his claim. people like me aren't able to take these _ his claim. people like me aren't able to take these cases - his claim. people like me aren't| able to take these cases through his claim. people like me aren't - able to take these cases through to able to take these cases through to a trial like prince harry.— a trial like prince harry. graham, ou had a trial like prince harry. graham, you had a — a trial like prince harry. graham, you had a suspended _ a trial like prince harry. graham, you had a suspended sentence i a trial like prince harry. graham, | you had a suspended sentence for hacking at the sunday mirror but you were also a whistle—blower. what difference will this make? it were also a whistle-blower. what difference will this make?- were also a whistle-blower. what difference will this make? it was a bittersweet _ difference will this make? it was a bittersweet moment _ difference will this make? it was a bittersweet moment today. - difference will this make? it was a bittersweet moment today. it - difference will this make? it was a bittersweet moment today. it was |
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bittersweet moment today. it was sweet _ bittersweet moment today. it was sweet in _ bittersweet moment today. it was sweet in as much as the judge accepted _ sweet in as much as the judge accepted my evidence and a lot of the stories— accepted my evidence and a lot of the stories i had written over the past eight — the stories i had written over the past eight years and documentaries that i_ past eight years and documentaries that i made were proven to be true, the criminality of the mirror but it is better, — the criminality of the mirror but it is better, i— the criminality of the mirror but it is better, i don't want to see the mirror— is better, idon't want to see the mirror go— is better, i don't want to see the mirror go under orjournalists be mirror go under or journalists be made _ mirror go under orjournalists be made redundant. instead of engaging in this— made redundant. instead of engaging in this very— made redundant. instead of engaging in this very hostile and expensive litigation, — in this very hostile and expensive litigation, which they have chosen to do. _ litigation, which they have chosen to do. they— litigation, which they have chosen to do, they should engage with the pressure _ to do, they should engage with the pressure reform movement by people like jacqui _ pressure reform movement by people like jacqui and hacked up, and they should _ like jacqui and hacked up, and they should engage with people like me who can _ should engage with people like me who can help them stop this from happening again. this who can help them stop this from happening again-— who can help them stop this from happening again. this will encourage other people — happening again. this will encourage other people to _ happening again. this will encourage other people to come _ happening again. this will encourage other people to come forward, - happening again. this will encourage other people to come forward, it - other people to come forward, it will be the act one of a miniseries at. ., , ., will be the act one of a miniseries at. ., ,., , ., , will be the act one of a miniseries at. , at. the reason people don't come forward is. _ at. the reason people don't come forward is. i— at. the reason people don't come forward is, i have _ at. the reason people don't come forward is, i have had _ at. the reason people don't come forward is, i have had private - forward is, i have had private investigators come round to my house. _ investigators come round to my house. i— investigators come round to my house, i have been threatened, when i house, i have been threatened, when i gave _ house, i have been threatened, when i gave evidence in court. why do you know _ i gave evidence in court. why do you know who _ i gave evidence in court. why do you know who threatened you? i know the name _ know who threatened you? i know the name of the _ know who threatened you? i know the name of the private investigator who came _ name of the private investigator who came to _ name of the private investigator who came to my— name of the private investigator who came to my house.—
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name of the private investigator who came to my house. paul, piers morgan said, i came to my house. paul, piers morgan said. i never— came to my house. paul, piers morgan said, i never hacked _ came to my house. paul, piers morgan said, i never hacked the _ came to my house. paul, piers morgan said, i never hacked the phone, - came to my house. paul, piers morgan said, i never hacked the phone, i- said, i never hacked the phone, i never told anyone to hack a poem, what he didn't say was, i knew nothing about phone hacking. what you of that?— you of that? piers morgan may be tellin: the you of that? piers morgan may be telling the truth _ you of that? piers morgan may be telling the truth here _ you of that? piers morgan may be telling the truth here that - you of that? piers morgan may be telling the truth here that he - you of that? piers morgan may be | telling the truth here that he never personally — telling the truth here that he never personally hacked _ telling the truth here that he never personally hacked a _ telling the truth here that he never personally hacked a film _ telling the truth here that he never personally hacked a film that - telling the truth here that he never personally hacked a film that isn'tl personally hacked a film that isn't the allegation _ personally hacked a film that isn't the allegation against _ personally hacked a film that isn't the allegation against him. - personally hacked a film that isn't the allegation against him. and i the allegation against him. and rather— the allegation against him. and rather overlooked _ the allegation against him. and rather overlooked and - the allegation against him. and rather overlooked and saw- the allegation against him. and rather overlooked and saw the i rather overlooked and saw the coverage — rather overlooked and saw the coverage has— rather overlooked and saw the coverage has been— rather overlooked and saw the coverage has been the - rather overlooked and saw the coverage has been the fact - rather overlooked and saw the i coverage has been the fact that rather overlooked and saw the - coverage has been the fact that back in 2015— coverage has been the fact that back in 2015 the _ coverage has been the fact that back in 2015 the mirror— coverage has been the fact that back in 2015 the mirror settled _ coverage has been the fact that back in 2015 the mirror settled a - coverage has been the fact that back in 2015 the mirror settled a case - coverage has been the fact that back in 2015 the mirror settled a case in l in 2015 the mirror settled a case in involving _ in 2015 the mirror settled a case in involving paul— in 2015 the mirror settled a case in involving paul gascoigne _ in 2015 the mirror settled a case in involving paul gascoigne and - in 2015 the mirror settled a case in| involving paul gascoigne and seven other— involving paul gascoigne and seven other solved — involving paul gascoigne and seven other solved trees— involving paul gascoigne and seven other solved trees for— involving paul gascoigne and seven other solved trees for the - involving paul gascoigne and seven other solved trees for the best - involving paul gascoigne and seven other solved trees for the best part of £2 _ other solved trees for the best part of £2 million — other solved trees for the best part of £2 million when _ other solved trees for the best part of £2 million when the _ other solved trees for the best part of £2 million when the qc- other solved trees for the best part of £2 million when the qc at - other solved trees for the best part of £2 million when the qc at the i of £2 million when the qc at the time _ of £2 million when the qc at the time admitted, _ of £2 million when the qc at the time admitted, they— of £2 million when the qc at the time admitted, they settled - of £2 million when the qc at the time admitted, they settled out| of £2 million when the qc at the . time admitted, they settled out of court. _ time admitted, they settled out of court. at _ time admitted, they settled out of court. at the — time admitted, they settled out of court, at the last _ time admitted, they settled out of court, at the last minute, - time admitted, they settled out of court, at the last minute, where l time admitted, they settled out of. court, at the last minute, where the qc admitted — court, at the last minute, where the qc admitted that _ court, at the last minute, where the qc admitted that managers - court, at the last minute, where the qc admitted that managers and - qc admitted that managers and editors— qc admitted that managers and editors and _ qc admitted that managers and editors and piers _ qc admitted that managers and editors and piers morgan - qc admitted that managers and editors and piers morgan was . qc admitted that managers and | editors and piers morgan was an editor— editors and piers morgan was an editor at — editors and piers morgan was an editor at the _ editors and piers morgan was an editor at the time, _ editors and piers morgan was an editor at the time, knew- editors and piers morgan was an editor at the time, knew about i editors and piers morgan was an - editor at the time, knew about phone hacking _ editor at the time, knew about phone hacking and — editor at the time, knew about phone hacking. and that _ editor at the time, knew about phone hacking. and that related _ editor at the time, knew about phone hacking. and that related to - editor at the time, knew about phone hacking. and that related to a - hacking. and that related to a period — hacking. and that related to a period when— hacking. and that related to a period when piers _ hacking. and that related to a period when piers morgan - hacking. and that related to al period when piers morgan was certainly— period when piers morgan was certainly editor. _ period when piers morgan was certainly editor. to _ period when piers morgan was certainly editor. to be - period when piers morgan was certainly editor. to be fair- period when piers morgan was certainly editor. to be fair to. certainly editor. to be fair to piers— certainly editor. to be fair to piers morgan _ certainly editor. to be fair to piers morgan there - certainly editor. to be fair to piers morgan there was - certainly editor. to be fair to piers morgan there was only| certainly editor. to be fair to- piers morgan there was only one case which _ piers morgan there was only one case which in _ piers morgan there was only one case which in this— piers morgan there was only one case which in this political— piers morgan there was only one case which in this political case _ piers morgan there was only one case which in this political case which - which in this political case which came _ which in this political case which
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came when— which in this political case which came when he _ which in this political case which came when he was— which in this political case which came when he was editor- which in this political case which l came when he was editor because which in this political case which - came when he was editor because he was fired _ came when he was editor because he was fired in _ came when he was editor because he was fired in 2004 _ came when he was editor because he was fired in 2004 and _ came when he was editor because he was fired in 2004 and most - came when he was editor because he was fired in 2004 and most of - came when he was editor because he was fired in 2004 and most of these i was fired in 2004 and most of these cases— was fired in 2004 and most of these cases came — was fired in 2004 and most of these cases came after. _ was fired in 2004 and most of these cases came after. but— was fired in 2004 and most of these cases came after.— cases came after. but we can say it is not necessarily _ cases came after. but we can say it is not necessarily the _ cases came after. but we can say it is not necessarily the quantity, - cases came after. but we can say it is not necessarily the quantity, the | is not necessarily the quantity, the fact it happened and even one offence really matters. {lat fact it happened and even one offence really matters. of course it did. so offence really matters. of course it did- so you — offence really matters. of course it did. so you were _ offence really matters. of course it did. so you were at _ offence really matters. of course it did. so you were at the _ offence really matters. of course it did. so you were at the mirror- offence really matters. of course it did. so you were at the mirror and | did. so you were at the mirror and the news of— did. so you were at the mirror and the news of the _ did. so you were at the mirror and the news of the world _ did. so you were at the mirror and the news of the world earlier, i did. so you were at the mirror and| the news of the world earlier, did you have any knowledge of phone hacking? hot you have any knowledge of phone hackin: ? ., . , hacking? not at the time, but in fact when the — hacking? not at the time, but in fact when the phone _ hacking? not at the time, but in fact when the phone hacking - hacking? not at the time, but in - fact when the phone hacking scandal broke _ fact when the phone hacking scandal broke i_ fact when the phone hacking scandal broke i discovered, _ fact when the phone hacking scandal broke i discovered, i— fact when the phone hacking scandal broke i discovered, i was— fact when the phone hacking scandal broke i discovered, i was told - fact when the phone hacking scandal broke i discovered, i was told by- broke i discovered, i was told by scotland — broke i discovered, i was told by scotland yard _ broke i discovered, i was told by scotland yard that _ broke i discovered, i was told by scotland yard that i _ broke i discovered, i was told by scotland yard that i had - broke i discovered, i was told by scotland yard that i had been i broke i discovered, i was told by- scotland yard that i had been hacked and that— scotland yard that i had been hacked and that had — scotland yard that i had been hacked and that had to — scotland yard that i had been hacked and that had to do _ scotland yard that i had been hacked and that had to do with _ scotland yard that i had been hacked and that had to do with some - scotland yard that i had been hacked and that had to do with some pr- scotland yard that i had been hacked and that had to do with some pr i. and that had to do with some pr i was doing. — and that had to do with some pr i was doing. i— and that had to do with some pr i was doing, i won't— and that had to do with some pr i was doing, i won't name - and that had to do with some pr i was doing, i won't name them, i and that had to do with some pr ii was doing, i won't name them, but for a _ was doing, i won't name them, but for a couple — was doing, iwon't name them, but for a couple of— was doing, i won't name them, but for a couple of celebrities - was doing, i won't name them, but for a couple of celebrities who - was doing, i won't name them, but| for a couple of celebrities who were in serious _ for a couple of celebrities who were in serious ill—health _ for a couple of celebrities who were in serious ill—health and _ for a couple of celebrities who were in serious ill—health and the - in serious ill—health and the conversations— in serious ill—health and the conversations with - in serious ill—health and the conversations with me - in serious ill—health and the conversations with me had. in serious ill—health and the - conversations with me had been hacked — conversations with me had been hacked. . . . conversations with me had been hacked. , ., ., , ., ., ., conversations with me had been hacked. . . . , ., ., ., , hacked. graham, you heard what piers moraan hacked. graham, you heard what piers morgan said. — hacked. graham, you heard what piers morgan said, what _ hacked. graham, you heard what piers morgan said, what do _ hacked. graham, you heard what piers morgan said, what do you _ hacked. graham, you heard what piers morgan said, what do you think- morgan said, what do you think when you heard that, when you heard him say, i never asked anyone to hack the phone, i never hacked the phone, what did you make of those words? i thought he was telling lies. i thought— thought he was telling lies. i thought it was interesting he didn't come _
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thought it was interesting he didn't come to— thought it was interesting he didn't come to court. he thought it was interesting he didn't come to court-— thought it was interesting he didn't come to court. he would say he was never called- _ come to court. he would say he was never called. that _ come to court. he would say he was never called. that is _ come to court. he would say he was never called. that is the _ come to court. he would say he was never called. that is the thing. - never called. that is the thing. in the british _ never called. that is the thing. in the british justice _ never called. that is the thing. in the british justice system, - the british justice system, witnesses the britishjustice system, witnesses are not called usually, you usually have to volunteer to -ive you usually have to volunteer to give evidence and he had ample opportunity to volunteer. but also if he has _ opportunity to volunteer. but also if he has lied and i think he has, he made — if he has lied and i think he has, he made the same admissions under out at _ he made the same admissions under out at leveson which is a criminal offence _ out at leveson which is a criminal offence under the public inquiries act. . ., j , offence under the public inquiries act. . ., , act. prince harry's side, there was no oint act. prince harry's side, there was no point in — act. prince harry's side, there was no point in them _ act. prince harry's side, there was no point in them so _ act. prince harry's side, there was no point in them so pay _ act. prince harry's side, there was no point in them so pay nine - act. prince harry's side, there was no point in them so pay nine piers| no point in them so pay nine piers morgan _ no point in them so pay nine piers morgan because _ no point in them so pay nine piers morgan because you _ no point in them so pay nine piers morgan because you if— no point in them so pay nine piers morgan because you if you - no point in them so pay nine piers morgan because you if you then . no point in them so pay nine piers. morgan because you if you then can't cross-examine — morgan because you if you then can't cross—examine them, _ morgan because you if you then can't cross—examine them, they— morgan because you if you then can't cross—examine them, they can - morgan because you if you then can't cross—examine them, they can only. morgan because you if you then can't. cross—examine them, they can only be questioned _ cross—examine them, they can only be questioned by— cross—examine them, they can only be questioned by the _ cross—examine them, they can only be questioned by the other— cross—examine them, they can only be questioned by the other side. - cross—examine them, they can only be questioned by the other side. i- questioned by the other side. suppose the alert in your questioned by the other side.“ suppose the alert in your head questioned by the other side'- suppose the alert in your head is, 68 times piers morgan was mentioned by thejudge which 68 times piers morgan was mentioned by the judge which says something in itself. jacqui, as we havejust by the judge which says something in itself. jacqui, as we have just been talking here about the amount of money this has cost the mirror group and the murdoch empire, do you
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actually want to see newspapers of old? is there value in having a strong press? {lat old? is there value in having a strong press?— old? is there value in having a strong press? old? is there value in having a stron: ress? , , . strong press? of course there is. we really more — strong press? of course there is. we really more than _ strong press? of course there is. we really more than ever— strong press? of course there is. we really more than ever need _ strong press? of course there is. we really more than ever need a - strong press? of course there is. we really more than ever need a really l really more than ever need a really strong press to hold the powerful to account, but what is happening at the moment and has happened in the past as we are saying is i have been held to ransom rather than account. we need that separation of powers to uphold democracy and we are just not getting that. all our news is being filtered through this toxic culture between politicians and the press. we need journalists like graham and dan and all the others who have been whistle—blowers who are prepared to be brave and stand—up and tell us the truth. that is what, all we want is the truth. it the truth. that is what, all we want is the truth-— is the truth. it is interesting, all, the public _ is the truth. it is interesting, all, the public may _ is the truth. it is interesting, all, the public may have - is the truth. it is interesting, all, the public may have a i is the truth. it is interesting, | all, the public may have a lot is the truth. it is interesting, i all, the public may have a lot to thank prince harry for, also, right that because a paradigms shift in
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the relations with the royal family between themselves?— between themselves? being interviewed _ between themselves? being interviewed elsewhere - between themselves? being interviewed elsewhere today between themselves? being l interviewed elsewhere today i between themselves? being - interviewed elsewhere today i did pause _ interviewed elsewhere today i did pause that — interviewed elsewhere today i did pause that point, _ interviewed elsewhere today i did pause that point, will— interviewed elsewhere today i did pause that point, will this - interviewed elsewhere today i did | pause that point, will this actually builds— pause that point, will this actually builds a _ pause that point, will this actually builds a bridge _ pause that point, will this actually builds a bridge back— pause that point, will this actually builds a bridge back to _ pause that point, will this actually builds a bridge back to his - pause that point, will this actually builds a bridge back to his father. builds a bridge back to his father and his— builds a bridge back to his father and his brother— builds a bridge back to his father and his brother or— builds a bridge back to his father and his brother or will— builds a bridge back to his father and his brother or will it- builds a bridge back to his father and his brother or will it drive . builds a bridge back to his fatherl and his brother or will it drive the current— and his brother or will it drive the current chasm _ and his brother or will it drive the current chasm still— and his brother or will it drive the current chasm still wider? - and his brother or will it drive the current chasm still wider? what. current chasm still wider? what prince _ current chasm still wider? what prince harry— current chasm still wider? what prince harry has _ current chasm still wider? what prince harry has done _ current chasm still wider? what prince harry has done and - current chasm still wider? what| prince harry has done and which current chasm still wider? what- prince harry has done and which may affect— prince harry has done and which may affect the _ prince harry has done and which may affect the royal— prince harry has done and which may affect the royal family's _ prince harry has done and which may affect the royal family's future - affect the royal family's future approach — affect the royal family's future approach to _ affect the royal family's future approach to the _ affect the royal family's future approach to the media - affect the royal family's future approach to the media which . affect the royal family's futurej approach to the media which is something _ approach to the media which is something i_ approach to the media which is something i talked _ approach to the media which is something i talked about - approach to the media which is something i talked about in - approach to the media which is something i talked about in a i approach to the media which is - something i talked about in a book i co-authored — something i talked about in a book i co—authored recently— something i talked about in a book i co—authored recently called - co—authored recently called reporting _ co—authored recently called reporting royalty _ co—authored recently called reporting royalty which - co—authored recently called . reporting royalty which looked co—authored recently called - reporting royalty which looked at the past. — reporting royalty which looked at the past, present— reporting royalty which looked at the past, present and _ reporting royalty which looked at the past, present and future - the past, present and future relationships— the past, present and future relationships between- the past, present and future relationships between the l the past, present and future - relationships between the media and the monarchy— relationships between the media and the monarchy who _ relationships between the media and the monarchy who do _ relationships between the media and the monarchy who do need _ relationships between the media and the monarchy who do need each- relationships between the media and l the monarchy who do need each other, which _ the monarchy who do need each other, which way— the monarchy who do need each other, which way that — the monarchy who do need each other, which way that goes, _ the monarchy who do need each other, which way that goes, but _ the monarchy who do need each other, which way that goes, but until - the monarchy who do need each other, which way that goes, but until now- which way that goes, but until now the role _ which way that goes, but until now the role has — which way that goes, but until now the role has been _ which way that goes, but until now the role has been to— which way that goes, but until now the role has been to basically- which way that goes, but until nowi the role has been to basically never complain _ the role has been to basically never complain and — the role has been to basically never complain and never— the role has been to basically never complain and never explain, - the role has been to basically never complain and never explain, and i complain and never explain, and don't _ complain and never explain, and don't antagonise _ complain and never explain, and don't antagonise the _ complain and never explain, and don't antagonise the press. - complain and never explain, and don't antagonise the press. it i complain and never explain, and i don't antagonise the press. it was alleged. _ don't antagonise the press. it was alleged. during— don't antagonise the press. it was alleged, during the _ don't antagonise the press. it was alleged, during the case, - don't antagonise the press. it was alleged, during the case, the - don't antagonise the press. it was. alleged, during the case, the judge didn't— alleged, during the case, the judge didn't put— alleged, during the case, the judge didn't put any— alleged, during the case, the judge didn't put any great _ alleged, during the case, the judge didn't put any great store _ alleged, during the case, the judge didn't put any great store on - alleged, during the case, the judge didn't put any great store on this i didn't put any great store on this at all. _ didn't put any great store on this at all. prince _ didn't put any great store on this at all, prince william _ didn't put any great store on this at all, prince william allegedly. didn't put any great store on this . at all, prince william allegedly had received _ at all, prince william allegedly had received £1— at all, prince william allegedly had received £1 million— at all, prince william allegedly had received £1 million settlement - at all, prince william allegedly hadi received £1 million settlement from another— received £1 million settlement from another newspaper— received £1 million settlement from another newspaper group _ received £1 million settlement from another newspaper group over - another newspaper group over hacking. — another newspaper group over hacking. but _ another newspaper group over hacking, but there _ another newspaper group over hacking, but there was - another newspaper group over hacking, but there was an - another newspaper group over - hacking, but there was an agreement, so it was— hacking, but there was an agreement, so it was alleged — hacking, but there was an agreement, so it was alleged not _ hacking, but there was an agreement,
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so it was alleged not to _ hacking, but there was an agreement, so it was alleged not to reveal- hacking, but there was an agreement, so it was alleged not to reveal this - so it was alleged not to reveal this until after— so it was alleged not to reveal this until after the _ so it was alleged not to reveal this until after the full— so it was alleged not to reveal this until after the full extent - so it was alleged not to reveal this until after the full extent of - until after the full extent of hacking _ until after the full extent of hacking cases— until after the full extent of hacking cases had - until after the full extent of hacking cases had been- until after the full extent of - hacking cases had been settled. whether— hacking cases had been settled. whether that _ hacking cases had been settled. whether that is _ hacking cases had been settled. whether that is true _ hacking cases had been settled. whether that is true or- hacking cases had been settled. whether that is true or not - hacking cases had been settled. whether that is true or not we l hacking cases had been settled. - whether that is true or not we don't know— whether that is true or not we don't know but— whether that is true or not we don't know but certainly— whether that is true or not we don't know but certainly it _ whether that is true or not we don't know but certainly it was _ whether that is true or not we don't know but certainly it was part - whether that is true or not we don't know but certainly it was part of- know but certainly it was part of prince _ know but certainly it was part of prince harry's _ know but certainly it was part of prince harry's own _ know but certainly it was part of prince harry's own allegation. . prince harry's own allegation. graham. _ prince harry's own allegation. graham. at _ prince harry's own allegation. graham, at the _ prince harry's own allegation. graham, at the moment- prince harry's own allegation. | graham, at the moment there prince harry's own allegation. i graham, at the moment there is prince harry's own allegation. - graham, at the moment there is no question of a police investigation, do you think it is possible that piers morgan could face criminal charges? yes if a new government came into power— yes if a new government came into power and — yes if a new government came into power and there was a will for the police _ power and there was a will for the police to— power and there was a will for the police to do it they could. there is masses _ police to do it they could. there is masses of— police to do it they could. there is masses of evidence there. hundreds of thousands of invoices have been disclosed _ of thousands of invoices have been disclosed in this litigation. there are new— disclosed in this litigation. there are new witnesses, which have come forward _ are new witnesses, which have come forward since the phone hacking trials _ forward since the phone hacking trials in — forward since the phone hacking trials in 2015. so they have a reasonably good chance of convicting him. reasonably good chance of convicting him but _ reasonably good chance of convicting him but it _ reasonably good chance of convicting him. but it takes the will to do it. as somebody who lived the mirror
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group _ as somebody who lived the mirror group it— as somebody who lived the mirror group it would _ as somebody who lived the mirror group it would be _ as somebody who lived the mirror group it would be dreadful- as somebody who lived the mirror group it would be dreadful if- as somebody who lived the mirror group it would be dreadful if the l group it would be dreadful if the only labour—supporting - group it would be dreadful if the only labour—supporting popularl only labour—supporting popular newspaper— only labour—supporting popular newspaper was _ only labour—supporting popular newspaper was to _ only labour—supporting popular newspaper was to go _ only labour—supporting popular newspaper was to go to - only labour—supporting popular newspaper was to go to the - only labour—supporting popularl newspaper was to go to the wall only labour—supporting popular- newspaper was to go to the wall and that is— newspaper was to go to the wall and that is not— newspaper was to go to the wall and that is not out— newspaper was to go to the wall and that is not out of— newspaper was to go to the wall and that is not out of question. - newspaper was to go to the wall and that is not out of question. they're i that is not out of question. they're having _ that is not out of question. they're having to _ that is not out of question. they're having to dismiss _ that is not out of question. they're having to dismiss journalists - having to dismiss journalists because _ having to dismiss journalists because of— having to dismiss journalists because of the _ having to dismiss journalists because of the economic - having to dismiss journalists - because of the economic climate. and this could _ because of the economic climate. and this could actually _ because of the economic climate. and this could actually cause _ because of the economic climate. and this could actually cause both - because of the economic climate. and this could actually cause both a - this could actually cause both a public— this could actually cause both a public backlash, _ this could actually cause both a public backlash, which - this could actually cause both a public backlash, which the - this could actually cause both a i public backlash, which the public are entitled _ public backlash, which the public are entitled to, _ public backlash, which the public are entitled to, but— public backlash, which the public are entitled to, but shareholders may become _ are entitled to, but shareholders may become hostile. _ are entitled to, but shareholders may become hostile. it- are entitled to, but shareholders may become hostile. it is- are entitled to, but shareholders may become hostile. it is a - are entitled to, but shareholders| may become hostile. it is a tricky time _ may become hostile. it is a tricky time the — may become hostile. it is a tricky time. the current _ may become hostile. it is a tricky time. the current management. may become hostile. it is a tricky. time. the current management are may become hostile. it is a tricky- time. the current management are not responsible _ time. the current management are not responsible for— time. the current management are not responsible for inheriting _ time. the current management are not responsible for inheriting the _ responsible for inheriting the toxicm — responsible for inheriting the toxicm legacy— responsible for inheriting the toxic... legacy of— responsible for inheriting the toxic... legacy of their - toxic... legacy of their predecessors. - toxic. .. legacy of their predecessors.- toxic... legacy of their predecessors. toxic... legacy of their redecessors. ~ , ., , predecessors. we did bid for piers moruan, predecessors. we did bid for piers morgan. he _ predecessors. we did bid for piers morgan, he declined _ predecessors. we did bid for piers morgan, he declined to _ predecessors. we did bid for piers morgan, he declined to come - predecessors. we did bid for piers morgan, he declined to come an l predecessors. we did bid for piers i morgan, he declined to come an and also denied any wrong doing and we also denied any wrong doing and we also bid for the mirror. at the beginning of the week an exclusive investigation by newsnight discovered around 200 members of the afghan specialforces, trained and funded by the uk, face imminent deportation back
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to taliban—controlled afhganistan. the soldiers fled to pakistan — which now says it will expel afghan refugees. one former uk general has called it a "betrayal" and a "disgrace". now we have discovered that members of the british army who tried to vouch for afghan special forces were never contacted by the ministry of defence. many of the afghans, known as the triples after the units' numbers, were subsequently denied help designed to settle those in danger in the uk. this despite the face that back in 2021, the then prime minister, borisjohnson, said that the uk would do "whatever we can" to get "safe passage for them". here's joe inwood. they were the best of the afghan military, trained and funded by the british. the triples, as they were known, worked alongside uk forces right until the afghan government fell. they were the last standing. even helping with the evacuation of kabul. they were uniquely trusted in a way the afghan national army wasn't. we would eat, sleep, drink with them. there was a unique bond. they put their lives
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on the line for us. and so when the triples applied to the afghan relocation and assistance policy, arap, there were no shortage of former and serving british military personnel happy to vouch for them. i gave them details about the guy i served with in afghanistan, but never got a response from either the mpd or arap. i know of a number of other people who served alongside the triples and never received any contact. we've been told by multiple sources, all serving or former military, that the same thing happened to them. they gave a reference to someone applying for the arap scheme whenever contacted by the ministry of defence and then found out the person they were supporting had been rejected. and it all comes just a few days after the armed forces minister spoke in the house of commons, also in response to a newnsight story and said this. it's also impossible, i think, to verify the service of those who didn't serve directly alongside
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the british armed forces and where there is somebody within the british system that can vouch for the closeness of that service. it makes me so angry, particularly to hear the minister say that it's hard to verify these people when they've clearly made no attempt to verify them, not even reaching out to their own people. and it's notjust the issue of identifying individuals that has been causing controversy. there's also a row about who the triples really worked for. on monday, the minister said this: the triples, were afghan led task forces set up to counter drug trafficking - and organised crime and reported into the afghan interior ministry. i they are therefore a component ofi the afghan national security forces and are not automatically in scope for relocation under arap. - but that version of events has been questioned by many people conservative backbenchers, members of the opposition, even ministerial colleagues and one
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man we spoke to who used to help pay the triples. the money would be apportioned and delivered in person by a british officer and then signed for by the afghan personnel who would then take it away and we would keep the invoice, which would then be sent back so that it was above board and the money was all accounted for. the monthly pay would be up to $1,000. we've been told it came directly from london and that there will be records. it would be fairly easily derived information to the effect that the money changed hands and the audit for the money exists somewhere. if they needed to find out, they could find out. in a statement, the ministry of defence said that each arap application is assessed individually and in accordance with published policy. we do not automatically make a decision on eligibility based on a job role. campaigners have been fighting for the triples ever since the fall of kabul. while their primary concern
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is for those left behind, it has taken a toll on them as well. we talk a lot about veterans and their mental health. to think that you've left these people behind, you hear what they're going through. they were looking after you on the ground and you can't help them. over the last few days, there does seem to be a change in the mood about the treatment of the triples. whether that will result in action is a very different question. the role of logan roy, the foul—mouthed billionaire media mogul at the heart of the emmy winning tv series succession, which reached its climax this year, won brian cox, awards and plaudits galore. he seemed to instictively understand what drove roy, and in the role he exuded a visceral mix of fury and anguish. cox recently said that he has sympathy for roy, a self made man with entitled, obnoxious children. as media dynasties go — there were very definite echoes of murdoch and maxwell — and indeed, according to an article in vanity fair,
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one of the conditions ofjerry hall and rupert murdoch's divorce settlement was that she was strictly forbidden from feeding any potential story ideas to succession writers. by the time brian cox, a classically trained actor walked onto the set of succession, he had had many major stage and screen roles under his belt, including in the films, nuremberg and manhunter and, of course, braveheart, but he is the face of succession. i'm going to build something bigger. faster. wilder. i want to kill the opposition. cut their throats. we are pirates! logan! brian cox, lovely to have you here. what does it feel like to reach the zenith of your career and you're only in your mid 70s. acting is a
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life long career.— only in your mid 70s. acting is a life long career. yes and the parts aet life long career. yes and the parts get better- _ life long career. yes and the parts get better. daniel— life long career. yes and the parts get better. daniel day _ life long career. yes and the parts get better. daniel day lewis - life long career. yes and the parts. get better. daniel day lewis retired and i said the parts arejust getting betterfor us. logan was and i said the parts arejust getting better for us. logan was one of those roles, it is a career—defining role. i kind of resisted that, because i have done so much and i keep moving on to other stuff and i'm going to be doing a lot of stuff in the theatre next year. this was before the strike. i had already planned to go back to the theatre. that is challenging enough for the old brain. ., i. challenging enough for the old brain. ., ., _ , ., brain. you said you had sympathy for loan ro brain. you said you had sympathy for logan roy and _ brain. you said you had sympathy for logan roy and it was _ brain. you said you had sympathy for logan roy and it was important - brain. you said you had sympathy for logan roy and it was important to i logan roy and it was important to show his vulnerability. i logan roy and it was important to show his vulnerability.— show his vulnerability. i think he was a lonely _ show his vulnerability. i think he was a lonely man _ show his vulnerability. i think he was a lonely man and _ show his vulnerability. i think he was a lonely man and that - show his vulnerability. i think he was a lonely man and that he i show his vulnerability. i think he l was a lonely man and that he had made certain desingses in his life —— decisions in his life which he partly regretted, but he just got over that. partly regretted, but he just got overthat. he partly regretted, but he just got over that. he wasn't a dweller on things. all he wanted was his own
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children to succeed him in succession and none of them proved worthy. succession and none of them proved worth . ., , ., , worthy. the line i love you but... that was the _ worthy. the line i love you but... that was the most _ worthy. the line i love you but... that was the most important - worthy. the line i love you but... l that was the most important line, that they aren't serious people. that is the satirical element of the show about that wealth class and where they're distancing themselves and they have that sense of entitlement as well. you get that with the way elon musk behaves. he behaves like an id yod. we have got into a —— idiot. these people have entitled themselves to some kind of hold on ideas. ifind it rather objectionable.
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hold on ideas. i find it rather objectionable.— hold on ideas. i find it rather ob'ectionable. ., ., ., ., objectionable. you are going into the stale, objectionable. you are going into the stage. it _ objectionable. you are going into the stage, it is _ objectionable. you are going into the stage, it is more _ objectionable. you are going into the stage, it is more thrilling - objectionable. you are going intoj the stage, it is more thrilling and terrifying? it the stage, it is more thrilling and terri in: ? . the stage, it is more thrilling and terri inc? , ., , the stage, it is more thrilling and terri int? , ., , the stage, it is more thrilling and terri inc? , ., , terrifying? it is really scary, you don't know _ terrifying? it is really scary, you don't know if— terrifying? it is really scary, you don't know if the _ terrifying? it is really scary, you don't know if the brain's - terrifying? it is really scary, you don't know if the brain's going l terrifying? it is really scary, you | don't know if the brain's going to work too the same extent. you have got to get the brain working, i'm not as young as i was. i was always quick on things, but i'm — i have got to stage where i walk into a room and go, why did i come introhere. that is not very promising. introhere. that is not very promising-— introhere. that is not very ”romisin. �* ., promising. and you came from ove , promising. and you came from poverty. your _ promising. and you came from poverty, your mother- promising. and you came from poverty, your mother would i promising. and you came from i poverty, your mother would have promising. and you came from - poverty, your mother would have been pleased to see you are still actually in a middle career. she would have _ actually in a middle career. she would have been _ actually in a middle career. 5i;a: would have been pleased by my funeral in my, high catholic funeral in success. ., funeral in my, high catholic funeral in success-— funeral in my, high catholic funeral in success. ., ., , ., ., in success. you have brought a new audience to — in success. you have brought a new audience to yourself, _ in success. you have brought a new audience to yourself, this _ in success. you have brought a new audience to yourself, this has - in success. you have brought a new audience to yourself, this has been | audience to yourself, this has been an almost career—changing. you
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played incredible roles, man hunter you played hannibal lecter. do you think younger people through learning about you and that whole role? i learning about you and that whole role? . . . . learning about you and that whole role? ., , , , ., role? i was flipping through the indb and checking _ role? i was flipping through the indb and checking on _ role? i was flipping through the indb and checking on a - role? i was flipping through the indb and checking on a film - role? i was flipping through the indb and checking on a film i i role? i was flipping through the l indb and checking on a film i was watching... indb and checking on a film i was watching- - -_ indb and checking on a film i was watching... that you had been in? no, but watching... that you had been in? no. but there _ watching... that you had been in? no, but there was _ watching... that you had been in? no, but there was a _ watching... that you had been in? no, but there was a retrospective | watching... that you had been in? i no, but there was a retrospective of me, which i was shocked, doing, performance over the last 50 years. i went, god, performance over the last 50 years. iwent, god, that performance over the last 50 years. i went, god, that is scary.- iwent, god, that is scary. having -la ed a iwent, god, that is scary. having played a media — iwent, god, that is scary. having played a media mogul— iwent, god, that is scary. having played a media mogul with - iwent, god, that is scary. having played a media mogul with that l i went, god, that is scary. having i played a media mogul with that you had been in? ida. played a media mogul with that you had been in?— had been in? no, but there was a retrospective _ had been in? no, but there was a retrospective of _ had been in? no, but there was a retrospective of me, _ had been in? no, but there was a retrospective of me, which - had been in? no, but there was a retrospective of me, which i - had been in? no, but there was a retrospective of me, which i was| retrospective of me, which i was shocked, doing, performance overthe last 50 years. i went, god, that is scary. last 50 years. i went, god, that is sca . ., , last 50 years. iwent, god, that is sca . ., , ., last 50 years. i went, god, that is sca . ., , ., ., last 50 years. iwent, god, that is sca . ., , ., ., ., scary. having played a media mogul with the ruthlessness, _ scary. having played a media mogul with the ruthlessness, does - scary. having played a media mogul with the ruthlessness, does the - with the ruthlessness, does the phone hacking sandle surprise us where? = phone hacking sandle surprise us where? ,.., phone hacking sandle surprise us where? , , , ., where? - scannedled surprise you? no it is ar for where? - scannedled surprise you? no it is par for the — where? - scannedled surprise you? no it is par for the course. _ where? - scannedled surprise you? no it is par for the course. we _ where? - scannedled surprise you? no it is par for the course. we don't - it is par for the course. we don't behave very morally any more. we behave very morally any more. we behave with great immorality. it is part of where we are. we are kind of
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lost in that way. i find it sad and quite tragic that we have got to that point. so it doesn't surprise me that the hacking and it doesn't surprise me that one person will say one thing and another say, that nobody comes on the agreement about this. it has got well out of hand. your main home is america. i come back as much _ your main home is america. i come back as much as — your main home is america. i come back as much as l — your main home is america. i come back as much as i can. _ your main home is america. i come back as much as i can. what - your main home is america. i come back as much as i can. what do - back as much as i can. what do you feel about — back as much as i can. what do you feel about the _ back as much as i can. what do you feel about the state _ back as much as i can. what do you feel about the state of _ back as much as i can. what do you feel about the state of america - back as much as i can. what do you feel about the state of america at l feel about the state of america at the moment? it feel about the state of america at the moment?— feel about the state of america at the moment? it is not good. it's... i mean i the moment? it is not good. it's... i mean i think— the moment? it is not good. it's... i mean i think biden _ the moment? it is not good. it's... i mean i think biden is _ the moment? it is not good. it's... i mean i think biden is a _ the moment? it is not good. it's... i mean i think biden is a good - the moment? it is not good. it's... | i mean i think biden is a good man, i mean i think biden is a good man, i do think he is a good man, he is notan it yod. i do think he is a good man, he is not an it yod. idiot. but he is a man of a certain age. and now he is 80. when he finishes, he will be 84. i think it is a little problematic.
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